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14679960 No.14679960 [Reply] [Original]

So why did the CIA fly him back to the US for medical treatment?

>> No.14680066

Literally who? Bob Marley? Mike Tyson?

>> No.14680074

>>14680066
method man

>> No.14680162

>>14680066
Did you not go to college?

>> No.14680172

>>14679960
History Unclassified. Frantz Fanon and the CIA Man

>> No.14680199

KEK, apparently richard wright and james baldwin had CIA connections too. The ultimate affirmative action.

>> No.14680209

Dunk on commies who said they totally loved black people so the CIA tried to one up them

>> No.14681034

>>14680162
Not all of us are Americans

>> No.14681500

>>14681034
So... no?

>> No.14681552

>>14681034
he was from Martinique dumbass

>> No.14681575

>>14680199
>james baldwin had CIA connections
Makes sense. His books are superficially challenging, but they''re ultimately sycophantic.

>> No.14681839

>>14680199
>>14681575
>>14680172
>>14680209

And none of them claimed to be radicals, nor are remembered as such, but as thinkers who prompt revolutionary consciousness rather than directly state it. People like Baldwin, Wright, and Fanon use their status / palatability to guide others toward deeper ideas, it’s a necessary political asset. Hence you find actual radicals such as George Jackson and Ashanti Alston referencing them, obviously conscious of their background, but tuned in to the elasticity of their message.

>> No.14681964

Fanon was the bin Laden of postcolonialism.

>> No.14682002

>>14681839
The liberal establishment still reaps profit and power from what i'd call the Baldwin Podhoretz machine the scenification of a 'national conversation on race' or whatnot which in practice looks like a kalleydoscope of repurposed christian affects and imagery. As if the role of black people is to redeem America, slavery being the sacrifice at the foundation of the city and perversely the justification for its continued existence. See for example, the musical Hamilton were slaveowning founders are retrospectively portrayed as black people or the NYT's 1619 project. It is easy to forget America really is a primarily military and economic machine dependent on the misery and exploitation of the third world.

>> No.14682174

>>14682002

It's accurate to note America's attempts at seducing masses with anti-racist rhetoric as self-preservative, but otherwise you're just severely undermining the role of the said writers in revolutionary contexts such as those mentioned. Each figure has their place in the struggle, whether liberal funded or not, the core of the movement will always reap the most pertinent fruits from all levels of consciousness, so long as they have an underlying spirit of ingenuity. While a significant portion of these thinkers does go to upholding liberal propaganda / hegemony, there are still valuable critical analyses being made in order to appropriate these ideas for revolutionary peoples.

>> No.14682180

>>14681964
You cant be serious

>> No.14682190

>>14682174
Holy shit how naive are you? Are you still in college?

>> No.14682193

>>14682190

How familiar are you with the black radical tradition?

>> No.14682200

>>14682174
Letter from Birmingham jail is heavily plagiarized from archival theses MLK cribbed for verbatim. Everything you hold dear is fake and sphincter-tearing. Dream of unicorns tonight.

>> No.14682216

>>14682174
I actually like Baldwin's work and it is only lately things have gotten so hypernormally bizarre

>> No.14682228

>>14682190

I'll be clear, if you're not well read on this subject please don't waste anyone's time proselytizing the most rudimentary takes on liberal institutions. Everyone's been beyond it, what do you actually have to say about black existentialism, black anarchism, Nkrumahism, etc.?

>> No.14682242

>>14682200
>>14682216

see
>>14682228

>> No.14682266

>>14682228
are you that same dude from that previous thread on Black existentialism? I got to ask, why do you keep posting about this stuff on 4chan? Isn't twitter or tumblr a better place to connect with other Black people on an issue like this?

>> No.14682285

>>14682266

No I'm not but I did see that thread, there were multiple interested people there. Anyway, I didn't make this thread either, just noticed anons talking out of their ass about prominent black figures and trying to condescend basic facts about liberalism, I couldn't help myself. I don't make threads to talk about these things here, but I don't mind calling out delusions.

>> No.14682292

>>14682228
What can black people do? Secceed maybe start independent communities? Return to religion? If so which one? The imperial power structure either coopts or destroys all attempts at independent organisation

>> No.14682320

>>14682292

You'd know enough to not ask questions like this if you'd read on the subjects mentioned. I'm offended that you'd ask me a question in "bad faith" on a topic you haven't even studied or had experiences with yourself. If you were a Kantian scholar would you respond to a question like "Well if I can't see the noumena, how am I supposed to know it's there? Sounds like bs" with any seriousness? I wouldn't mind sharing things to read with you if you want but I'm not holding your hand over things you could learn about autonomously with ease.

>> No.14682427 [DELETED] 

>>14682228
>what do you actually have to say about black existentialism, black anarchism, Nkrumahism, etc.?

I'd say you are a complete faggot that ignores real world politics from intelligence agencies during the cold war and is more concerned with ivory tower theorizing like most leftists.

>> No.14682541

>>14682320
>If you were a Kantian scholar would you respond to a question like "Well if I can't see the noumena, how am I supposed to know it's there? Sounds like bs" with any seriousness?
...You're on 4chan, anon. Replying to topics that you know nothing about accounts for 99% of the people on this site. 98.9% on /lit/. That's why people like this place, they can say whatever they want with no consequences, they don't have to worry about coming off as idiots because the person calling them out doesn't know them and there's always the possibility that the person calling them out is a bullshitter too. Stop expecting serious conversations, the few you will have are the exception not the rule.

>> No.14683547

>>14682320
Thats a legit critique of kant you retard

>> No.14683556

>>14682002
>kalleydoscope

nigga what

>> No.14683568

>>14682266
>I'm angry someone is posting leftist opinions on my OFFICIALY™ fascist website

>> No.14683674

>>14683547

The point is that if one had read Kant they would already know the arguments that attempt to answer said question and would have posed a more critical response than “I can’t see it!”. Anon didn’t ask me stupid questions either, but they’re questions that start to be answered once you’ve studied these subjects, and had he done so, he’d have questions like “How definitively can the black anarchist tradition assert that hierarchy is inherently detrimental to black bodies when considering the scarcity of black hierarchy without colonial influence?” which is more informed than “What can blacks even do? Secede?”. Part of attempting to become a scholar in any field should involve being selective about who you engage for discussion. If I’ve put a lot of work into trying to comprehend something, it’s a slap in the fact to be expected to answer juvenile questions that are posed with mocking skepticism by people who’ve done little to no work themselves.

>> No.14683719

>>14683674
If youre being serious, which i hope youre not, needing questions to be framed in pseud language that makes them easily answerable from within said pseud language-generating tradition before you grapple with them makes you something of a fraud, not an aspiring specialist. Questions, naively, phrased (like your bad kant example) can be profound—and sometimes it even requires someone from outside a tradition to see/ask what’s so obvious to anyone outside it.

>> No.14683744

>>14683674
>considering the scarcity of black hierarchy without colonial influence?
What kind of thinking is this anyway? Just like the OP picture of the young bloke in the existentialist thread, if you just read some history/anthropology, you'll find hierarchies and heterarchies in the America's and Africa that have jack shit to do with colonial influence.

>> No.14683948

>>14683719

Right, say it's being a "fraud" until you interact with the hundreds of non-blacks who ask the most absurd of questions that could be so easily avoided with simple background knowledge. I guess this wasn't clear, but the REASON for selectivity is to avoid wasting energy in discussions that lead to brick walls because both participants aren't equally prepared to have them. I'm sure it sounds lovely and egalitarian to say things like "Well if you were a real intellectual you'd give anyone the time of day!" but it takes a different form when that "time of day" involves unraveling highschool-tier racist arguments, or just flatly uniformed ones about the subject, mixed in with their looking on in "amused contempt and pity" the whole ordeal becomes exhausting. I guess it's ironic that I've taken the time to explain even this to you but we're already here so I guess that's beside it lol. When your intellectual tradition is ridiculed by people who refuse to even recognize you as an Other, yet insist on "discussing" things at painfully low registers, you'll understand these sort of apprehensions. And all of this isn't to say your point is dumb or anything, I get it, sure, but you're not considering why I, or any "aspiring specialist" on the subject would feel this way.

>> No.14683965

>>14683744

Ok I'd think that it were common sense to assume any question about black anarchism in the 21st century making afro-pessimist claims such as "hierarchy inherently damages the black body" is speaking in a post-racialized, post-colonial context. I'm not asking whether hierarchies in the Dogon tribes were dehumanizing to black people, that should be obvious.