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It's starting to dawn on me that there is no difference between philosophical reasoning and mathematics and that all philosopy can be remodelled, much more concisely, concretely and much less riddled with verbosity in mathematics. How do you cope with this?

>> No.14679429

>>14679421
How do you say that mathematically?

>> No.14679493

>>14679429
A has opacity of argument y with conciseness of x
B has opacity of argument y-1 with conciseness of x+1

all A statements can be modelled as B statements
therefore B is the more concise and less opaque way of reasoning

>> No.14679599

your theory goes in the trash when dealing with any ontology or ethical philosophy

>> No.14679600

>>14679599
brainlet answer

>> No.14679602

>>14679421
>>14679493
retard.

>> No.14679606

>>14679600

prove me wrong

>> No.14679607

>>14679421
The real kicker is that this is actually applicable. I.e. you can define the world mathematically and then use mathematical tools to optimize your actions until you become a Heinlein-type Mary Sue who can astrogate and fuck at the same time.

>> No.14679614

>>14679421
Philosophy is applied psychology. Math is actually a soft science and economics is fundamental deeper.

>> No.14679618

>>14679421
By actually reading mathematics and realizing your OP is nonsense.

>>14679493
I've met about a hundred tenured mathematicians in my life and every single one of them would feel murderous urge at the sight of your post.
By all mean an excellent work of trolling.

>> No.14679623

>>14679493
I know that you'll because of muh logic or whatever, but how you present philosophical ideas is very important. No one wants to read this shit

>> No.14679639

>>14679606
the content doesn't matter in relation to whether it can be formalized or not

>>14679602
seething

>>14679614
this is absolutely the biggest brainlet answer i have ever read. economics is a total joke. a fraudulent astrology pretending to be science

>>14679618
mathematicians are brainlets who don't understand the foundations of their subject so i am not surprised

>>14679623
not an argument

>> No.14679644

math dudes can be really retarded a lot of the time. whats the point of having a 150 iq if you can't even tie your shoes?

>> No.14679657
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14679657

>>14679639
Math is literally a priori reasoning that lends itself into becoming a representation of the human imagination. The world is divine, and God runs the markets you fucking twat

>> No.14679661

>>14679639
Now you're not even trying...
You were funny at first but now it's going to be a saged & hidden for me dog.

>> No.14679666

>>14679639

you can't mathematically represent information if you don't have empirical data to use in conjunction. all you /sci/ rejects need to give up

>> No.14679667

>>14679661
cope

>> No.14679676

>>14679666
> you can't mathematically represent information if you don't have empirical data to use in conjunction.

OHNONONONONONONONO

>> No.14679683

>>14679666
Not a /sci/fag but you can do better than this anon

>> No.14679686

>>14679676

prove

>> No.14679704

>>14679686
do you know what a language is?

>> No.14679714

>>14679686
Logic

>> No.14679731

>>14679421
Logic and mathematics present forms with implicit presuppositions and exclusions. Though very general and powerful, they cannot capture the full range of language because even in philosophy this full range is pushed and pushed far beyond. Hence why philosophy can often seem like gibberish.

>> No.14679751

>>14679731
Philosophy ultimately pushes into mind and psychology, mathematics is a higher product of these and doesn't examine them.

>> No.14679753

>>14679704

a language in itself is not mathematical just because it can be described with math, same as any logical processes that you may use

>> No.14679761

Frege was 100 years ahead of you, have you never heard of moral logic? This board is so dumb sometimes that it physically pains me to browse.

>> No.14679771

>>14679731
Whitehead & Russell? Wiener Kreis? I think Geist has gone through this stage already, brother.

>> No.14679774

>>14679751
philosophy uses language to examine anything. language can be formally modelled, ergo anything that philosophy can do can be modelled in a formal system while getting rid of all the unecessary junk philosophy produces.

>>14679753
are you even following OP? the claim is not that language is mathematical

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14679800

>>14679657
>I roll the nickels the game is mine, I deal the cards...

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>>14679421
by being a mathematician first and foremost, and a philosopher as a byproduct of this. humanities maximalists are barely sentient, if you really want to know

>> No.14679879

>>14679804
/thread

>> No.14679888

>>14679804
Enjoy teaching highschool kids after you graduate.
You're not gonna be able to find a job in an over saturated field like 'math majors'.

>> No.14679979

>>14679888
Machine Learning and Data Science made math a high paying hot field again