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the other /RG/ reached the bump limit after many an illuminating discussion

Brothers! let us discuss the books and ideas of the great René Guénon (pbuh), as well as those of related thinkers and schools of thought.


Resources:

All of Guénon's (pbuh) books
https://archive.org/details/reneguenon

Traditionalist-affiliated blog that hosts many of Guénon's (pbuh) letters
https://www.gornahoor.net/

Resource for different Traditionalist authors with links to their writings such as journal articles
http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/home.aspx

Traditionalist website centering around Islam
http://traditionalhikma.com/


text of the day: 'The Enclosed Garden of the Truth' by the 12th-century Persian Sufi poet Sanā'ī
http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/hadiqat.pdf

article of the day: The Interpretation of Symbols by AK Coomaraswamy
http://www.worldwisdom.com/public/library/The_Interpretation_of_Symbols-by_Ananda_K_Coomaraswamy.aspx

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>> No.14679295

The people shilling this are obviously Muslims.

Don't you see what they're doing? It's Taquiya. First they've convinced you all that saying 'pbuh' is a funny meme and got you all doing it like mindless cattle, next you will be saying how Islam is a good thing as a funny joke, the next thing after that you will be converted.

Grow a brain and realize what's going on ffs.

>> No.14679297

>>14679292
shankara would've been slobbering all over this

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>> No.14679304

>>14679295
The people here are Guenonians (pbuh), not muslims, anon.

>> No.14679308

>>14679295
muslims dont use (pbuh) for ayone but mohammed. also muslims consider guenon and hinduism to be a complete heresy, guenonfag has been exposed multiple times to be an indian hindu

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>>14679308
>guenonfag has been exposed multiple times to be an indian hindu

>> No.14679465

>>14679448
thats not guenonfag, thats just retard from a "show your body with book" thread

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>>14679292
>>14679303
>>14679310
hmmm

>> No.14679489

>>14679308
Muslims use pbuh for every prophet; in the case of Muhammad, it's saws- peace and blessings.

>> No.14679972

Rene Guenon (pbuh) bump

>> No.14680141

>>14679465
>no true guenonfag fallacy

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>>14679284
Thought you all would like this.

>> No.14680319

>>14679284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMqkG6VMn4o

refutes guenon's theory regarding christianity as the only religion that involves sentimentality & exoterism for the masses

how can hindu not be sentimental when it triggers nationalism?

>> No.14680448

>>14680319
Guenon's take on Christianity has been refuted many times, and by people within his own circle.

>> No.14680699

Most Traditionalists today are Muslim, but not all of them.

This website is interfaith oriented

http://www.sophiaperennis.com/

This is the site of an old Traditionalist journal

http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/default.aspx

Islamic, but with books on other faiths

https://fonsvitae.com/

Multifaith religious studies

https://www.themathesontrust.org/

Pagan oriented

https://www.innertraditions.com/

Traditional Catholic Website

https://angelicopress.org/

The old version of the Arktos media website used to have traditionalist writers but has apparently left that for full-blown alt-rightism in the past few years and purged all the non-retarded authors. But on the old version of their website it has some interesting books

https://web.archive.org/web/20160213132620/http://www.arktos.com/books/traditions.html

This is a Muslim journal and many writers for it now are traditionalist or right-wing

https://renovatio.zaytuna.edu/

The Jordaniian government is subsidizing Islamic studies with some traditionalist writers and orientations

https://rissc.jo/english-publications/

>> No.14680977

>>14680699
interesting links, thanks

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>>14679284

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>>14679284
Hello, fellow Guenonbros.
Is the Mandukya Upanishad a good starting point for getting into Advaita? I already know some basics.
Can a kind Gueanon give me a PDF with Shankaracharya's commentaries?

>> No.14681474

>>14681462
http://www.nageshsonde.com/images/Sri_Madhva_Mandukya_Upanishad.pdf

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>>14681462
The Mandukya Upanishad and Gaudapada's Karika (commentary) on it are fairly advanced. I would recommend beginning with these links below which have 8 of Shankaracharya's Upanishad commentaries (Isa, Kena, Katha, Taittiriya, Aitareya, Mundaka, Mandukya and Prasna), along with the Shankaracharya's commentary on Gaudapada's Mandukya Karika. Start with the first link because it has the shortest Upanishad commentaries of Shankara at the beginning which is helpful because it gives you time to get used to his style of writing and ideas before you dive into the really long commentaries. The Mandukya Upanishad, the Mandukya Karika of Gaudapada and Shankaracharya's commentaries on both texts make up the latter half of the pdf at the second link, but if you read the Volume 1 first and the earlier sections of Volume 2 first then you should be fully prepared to understand everything by the time you get to the Mandukya.

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf

After you read through both PDF's you can find online or purchase Shankaracharya's remaining commentaries on the Brihadaranyaka, Chandogya and the Svetasvatara Upanishads. Good luck and happy reading my brother, you are about to experience a most sublime gnosis!

>> No.14681556

>>14681474
This is by Madhva, the founder of the Dvaita (dualism) school

>> No.14681979

>>14680448
Which ideas of Guenon on Christianity do you think were refuted?
>>14680319
Guenon never wrote that only Christianity involved sentimentality and exoterism for the masses, he wrote that exoteric Islam was not very different from exoteric Christianity for example

>> No.14682142

>>14681979
>Which ideas of Guenon on Christianity do you think were refuted?
That the sacraments don't bestow virtual initiation

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>>14679284
i'm reading crisis of the modern world, it's very interesting.

basically what i'm getting so far is that all of the cultures in the world used to live in peace and harmony because they all essentially believed in the same things, but materialism ruined that.

>> No.14682317

>>14682142
>That the sacraments don't bestow virtual initiation
By initiation do you mean some sort of higher knowledge? Initiation can have varying degrees and sometimes people can be initiated into something which being instructed much in the way of doctrine or spiritual practices. Obviously sacraments are formally an initiation into the Christian religion but I see no evidence that sacraments in themselves confer any sort of deep understanding of doctrine or an instruction in spiritual practices in the same way that initiation into some sort of eastern metaphysical esoterism would.

He already conceded in his book on Vedanta that the Christian sacrament and following related precepts bestows entry into Brahmaloka (which is a long lasting heaven that is ultimately temporary, after which people continue to transmigrate) after death. He just seemed to be of the opinion that modern Christianity aside from maybe Eastern Orthodoxy Hesychasm was lacking any doctrine that allowed people to attain complete liberation and an eternal union with God.

>> No.14682321

>>14682317
*without being instructed much

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>>14682171
>basically what i'm getting so far is that all of the cultures in the world used to live in peace and harmony because they all essentially believed in the same things, but materialism ruined that.
Yes, such is the way of the Yuga cycle

>> No.14682422

>>14682171
The Anglo ruined everything

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>>14679284
Just walking by

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>>14682408
>>14682422
Was hitler trying to restore the balance?
Is that why the symbol of the nazis was the swastika?
Was hitler the 9th avatar? Will kalki take form in our lifetimes and put an end to the kali yuga?

>> No.14682485

>>14682317
The sacraments don't have to bestow any 'deep understanding' im not aware of any initiatic rite that does that in itself.. Besides hesychasts do not under go any initiation that the masses do not, so if hesychasm is initiatic them the sacraments must be so atleast virtually.

>The Hesychast “geront” (staretz) when found will discharge all the normal functions of a guru according to the Indian conception of the word. In Hinduism one’s spiritual master is acknowledged as the direct representative of the supreme Sad-guru, the Divine Self. In Buddhism the same holds. The present writer was repeatedly told, in Tibet, that he should look on his lama as if he were “the Buddha himself.” Hesychasm says the same: The disciple should behave toward his “geront” as if he were in the presence of Christ. One function only the “geront” will not assume—that of “initiator.” According to the Christian spiritual economy, Christ, as synthesizing the avataric function exclusively in his own person, is the only possible initiator —hence the sacraments Christ instituted are the only conceivable supports in the initiatic, as well as the exoteric, path from its inception until the goal is reached.

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>>14679308
My guess is that this is Guenonfag:
"I live in the West, my parents were raised Christian but didn't like being forced to go to church, were not serious believers themselves and my family was not religious growing up except in the sense we celebrated easter and christmas. Basically an agnostic family environment.

I became interested in eastern philosophy as a young teenger, began to educate myself about the different types of it, eventually ran into Guenon when I was older, through him realized I should be studying Advaita texts if I wanted to find what was at the heart of things. Experience with Yoga and Meditation has been conducive to my interest in and the studying of these things but just taking the time to read the primary texts was the most important factor. I'm not even opposed to eventually being initiated into another tradition like Sufism or Catholicism/Eastern Orthodoxy etc but I'm mostly just interested in studying Advaita presently."

If it's him, he made several similar posts. Note he never says he's white or European, he always says "I live in the West" and that his parents were "raised" Christian. In some threads, if it's the same guy, he also expresses envy of people who are Hindu because he can never be a Hindu himself.

From the recent thread on his Swede tranny lover friend, he revealed he has a US passport. He claimed he was white in the picture but he was clearly a lighter brown race, as several people quickly noted. If it's all the same guy, then Guenonfag's family is some kinda brown but Christianized, and he lives in the US and was probably raised there from a very young age. The shirtless DYEL twink might very well be him, since the twink has a similarly oven-toasted skin tone.

The man is definitely not a Hindu. He shows shocking ignorance of India and his customs.

Pic related (the Swede) is definitely a different guy. My theory is that Seguro was also a different guy.

>> No.14682494

>>14682479
Hitler was a degenerate materialist and he did not understand the true symbolism of the swastika.

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Threadly reminder that Guenonposting on /lit/ is pushed by a small group of discord/reddit users who know very little about authentic Hinduism or the Vedas. They just want you to join their internet religion.

Read pic related for an overview of Shankara and Advaita Vedanta. Shankara/Advaita are considered crypto-Buddhist by scholars and by most Hindus as well. Don't be misled into LARPing with these fags, go read the actual texts with unbiased (or at least less biased) commentary instead. Guenon's number one follower was a nudist sex cultist who was indicted on charges of pedophilia for running an American Indian-themed syncretist cult in Bloomington, Indiana. Is that who you want interpreting Indian texts for you?

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>>14682494
>Hitler was a degenerate materialist
Was he? Perhaps that was just is ego, we as humans all fall pray to that.
In all of Mein Kampf he pretty much just talks about the spirit of the people

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>>14682494
>Hitler was a degenerate materialist
Was he? Perhaps that was just his ego, we as humans all fall prey to that.
In all of Mein Kampf he pretty much just talks about the spirit of the people

>> No.14683461

What was Guenon's opinion on WW3? Did he predict it happening?

>> No.14683571

>>14683461
he predicted the islamic takeover

>> No.14683649

i think i am becoming a coomer. which guenon book refuted me?

>> No.14683991

>>14682512
What bothers me a lot in Guenon is the blatant butthurt that permeates about anything vaguely academic.

It's one thing to critique modern academics for their detachment, but it's another to wholesale reject anything they have to say and assume once you're an academic you've lost all possibility of understanding anything.

Basically Guenon was butthurt that both his theses (one on math, and the other on Hinduism) got rejected. But that doesn't allow Traditionalists to simply dismiss any evidence that contradicts their dogma.

Not even Guenon's Sanskrit teacher believed his take on Hinduism.

>> No.14684011

>>14683991
his thesis on hinduism was rejected because he didn't want to bother to give sources not because it was wrong as such.

>> No.14684018

>>14684011
>I'm not wrong, I just have no sources to back up my claims!

lol

>> No.14684054

>>14684018
his math thesis didn't get rejected.
actually his hindu thesis did because the committee rejected his take on the 'primordial tradition' (such a thing would be hard to prove through erudition alone) and reducing hinduism to vedanta apparently.

>> No.14684115

>>14684054
>his math thesis didn't get rejected

You're right. But they told him he wasn't good enough to pursue even higher studies in math. He was good at math but not great.

> the committee rejected his take on the 'primordial tradition' (such a thing would be hard to prove through erudition alone) and reducing hinduism to vedanta apparently.

Perfectly sane thing to do.

>> No.14684132

>>14684054
>his math thesis
what was it about?

>> No.14684141

>>14679295
>t. Landian accelerationist counter-traditional into-the-occult-uwu tranny
Guenonians (pbuh) are beyond your tricks. Stick to your target audience (autogynephile incels).

>> No.14684142

>>14684132
"Leibniz and Infinitesimal Calculus"

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“Frankly, I hate traditionalists—no matter whether they are of domestic or Western origin. They are rabble. Good people do real work or wage wars, even if they have little chance of success. All over the world.” - Aleksandr Dugin

>> No.14684236

>>14684228
What did he mean by 'real work' and 'little chance of success'?

>> No.14684251

>>14684236
Make the world less degenerate instead of sitting on your ass in an opium daze surrounded by Egyptian peasants.

>> No.14684463

Guenon says that different traditional/initiatic organizations suit different people according to their true nature.
How does one actually find the one that suits him?

>> No.14684852

>>14684463
You could try reading the primary literature from each of the various traditions for starters

>> No.14684889

>>14684228
one of my favorite photos of him. I love how his nose gets red in the cold

>> No.14685028

>>14679295
Hmmmm at least better than (((them)))

>> No.14685114

>>14683571
He wrote in East and West that it would only happen if the West couldn't restore Tradition on their own, and that this would be a preferable option to an Islamic takeover

>> No.14685121

>>14685114
I don't think thats possible apart from Divine intervention.

>> No.14685252

>>14684852
wouldn't an honest study of them take years? how do you protect yourself from the ever-accelerating degenerative influences in the meantime?

>> No.14685348

>>14685252
Yeah, it's mostly a waste of time. There's always an experiential relation to truth. Fr. Seraphim Rose as a young Guenonian felt that his search was done and that he had found "home" when he attended an Eastern Orthodox divine liturgy for the first time. You'll learn more by participating, to the extent that is possible, in various traditions than by a deracinated intellectual navigation.

>> No.14685392

>>14679284
If traditionalism is the answer then the solution should either be Judaism (orthodox and above only, nothing below like reform or conservative) or going Amish. Too many Muslims are Muslim in name only, as well as most Christians especially the Evangelical sort. Unless maybe you go full Saudi mode but that sort of fundamentalist Islam is more recent with the advent of Wahab.

>> No.14685469

>>14685252
>wouldn't an honest study of them take years?
Not really, you don't have to read their whole corpus, just enough for a solid exposure to their ideas so you could see what you jive with the most. In one year you could read some Shankara, al-Ghazali, Sufi poets, Zhuangzi, Abhinavagupta, Mahayana Sutras, Plotinus and some Christian mystics/platonists like Nicholas of Cusa, Eirugena etc. It's amazing how much more you can read if you stop playing videos games, watching anime, movies tv etc.

>how do you protect yourself from the ever-accelerating degenerative influences in the meantime?
No-fap!

>> No.14685525

>>14685392
What Guenon means by Traditionalism isn't what most people think of when they think of traditionalism.

Guenon means a secret metaphysics of advaita vedanta is present in every religion and the externals of the religion are just different ways of expressing these truths but the inner knowledge of the religions are reserved from some spiritual elites like Guenon himself.

He offers no real evidence that there exists this transcendental unity. His takes on the meaning of certain exoteric rituals are flat out wrong. He never lived according to a traditional religion for over 20 years after becoming initiated. And he was never initiated into Hinduism or ever set foot there. He merely wrote about things of which he had no real idea.

He seemed to think becoming a Muslim was the only solution for a European, even though Guenon himself almost never cites Islamic sources and didn't know classical Arabic. His personal library had very little Islamic and arabic sources. It was mostly just Hindu texts because what he espoused is essentially a right-wing new age syncretic theosophy.

>> No.14685542

>>14685525
You've obviously haven't understood guenon yourself or are being purposefully malicious.

>> No.14685574

>>14685525
It is always so obvious when people havn't read him or have only read one or two books and are making a trolling attempt. What is it about Guenon (pbuh) that makes hylics seethe so much and resort to obvious lies?

>He offers no real evidence that there exists this transcendental unity.
Wrong, if you actually read his books on metaphysics he cites many different passages from the Zhuangzi, from Sufi writers, from Christian mystics among other sources to show how they often make identical and highly similar metaphysical conclusions to Advaita

>He seemed to think becoming a Muslim was the only solution for a European
He wrote that nobody desired the restoration of Traditional Christianity more then him, and he also wrote that the Islamization of Europe would be a less preferable option than an organic restoration of European Tradition because of the conflicts and ethnic tension it could cause

>> No.14685817

>>14685574
>Wrong, if you actually read his books on metaphysics he cites many different passages from the Zhuangzi, from Sufi writers, from Christian mystics among other sources to show how they often make identical and highly similar metaphysical conclusions to Advaita

It's not real evidence. It's armchair history with no serious archival work and cherry picking disparate quotes and trying to make them say the same thing.

> He wrote that nobody desired the restoration of Traditional Christianity more then him, and he also wrote that the Islamization of Europe would be a less preferable option than an organic restoration of European Tradition because of the conflicts and ethnic tension it could cause

In one (1) passage he says that. Everywhere else, in all his actions in words, to all his followers, he told them to become Muslims. And if there's a revival of Catholicism in Europe, it would be because of Sufis who whisper into the ear of the bishops and cardinals in Rome "psst...vedanta." It's cringe.

>> No.14685860

>>14685817
> It's armchair history with no serious archival work and cherry picking disparate quotes and trying to make them say the same thing.
This is the "no true citation" logical fallacy
>In one (1) passage he says that.
Wrong actually, in East and West he says it would be less good of an option for Europe to be Islamized but in a second passage in Crisis of the Modern World he writes that he strongly desires the restoration of Traditional Christianity, there are other comments of a similar nature in his essays and other books too
>And if there's a revival of Catholicism in Europe, it would be because of Sufis who whisper into the ear of the bishops and cardinals in Rome
Not necessarily, the book "Christianity and the doctrine of non-dualism" written by a Catholic monk argues that Advaita is compatible with Christianity and that the Church Fathers and Christian Mystics had some understanding of those sorts of ideas and the book calls for a revival or Christian non-dualism based on the older Christian writings which talk about it

>> No.14685906

>>14685860
>this one one monk says this one thing
If you went up to a Hesychast elder and told him that hesychasm is compatible with Advaita he would think you're retarded assuming he had knowledge of Advaita.

>> No.14686051

>>14685906
>told him that hesychasm is compatible with Advaita he would think you're retarded
Why would it not be?

>> No.14686382

>>14679284
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a recursive fractal maze of pro-retroactive refutations of your pet thinker - forever.

>> No.14687146

>>14686382
>tfw my favorite thinker is Shankaracharya (pbuh) who is forever immune from retroactive refutation

>> No.14687822

>>14682490
Guenonfag here, how does it feel knowing that no matter how much you stalk and obsess over me, that you will never taste my penis in your mouth? That you will never feel me ravaging your boy-pussy? I bet it feels awful, you have become so emotionally invested in me and spent so much time trying to track me down, there is some obvious homoerotic obession going on, and yet it was all for naught. You will never lay beside me in bed at night kissing me on the cheek. I'm not even gay too, find some other homo to obsess over you fucking faggot

>> No.14688228

>>14679284
https://discord.gg/3UH89UV

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According to Guénon's concept of "sacred sciences", can someone give me an example of "sacred" History, pls. I'm drunk so no bully pls

>> No.14688655

>make Mountain Blade character named Guenon
>join Sarranids
>only have 4 INT lmao

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>>14688477
>can someone give me an example of "sacred" History, pls

>> No.14688671

>>14688666
cringe

>> No.14688677

based Guenon (pbuh) thread

>>14688666
based

>>14688671
cringe

>> No.14688699

>>14688666
that was the best post of 2019 desu

>> No.14688861

>>14688655
Based. That's just the profane intellect brother. Nothing to worry about.

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>>14688655
lmao post screenshots

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>>14688666
>>14688677
>>14688699
Based & checked.
(pbuh).

>>14688671
Cringe.

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Read Henry Corbin instead if you want to learn about Islam.

Guenon threw a hissy at Corbin because Corbin actually succeeded in academia, while rejecting the delusion of a transcendental unity of world religions, and actually knew classical Arabic, as well as classical and modern Persian, and was fully immersed in the culture he wrote about (Persian Shi'a mysticism).

When you read about Guenon's time in Egypt he was more or less a loner with few real Egyptian contacts.

Henry Corbin was the real deal.

>> No.14690370

>>14690315
Succeeding in academia rather than being something to boast about is merely a sign that one has conceded one's dignity by kowtowing to the standard of intellectual decline that characterizes the Kali Yuga you brainlet

>> No.14690371

>>14690315
Cringe brainlet, Guenon (pbuh) is infinitely superior to Corbin

>> No.14690431

>>14690370
>>14690371
cope, seethe, and dilate

Guenon didn't know classical Arabic

>> No.14690438

>>14690431
cringe

>> No.14690456

>>14690438
Yes, Guenon is cringe indeed and Guenon posting should be a bannable offense.

>> No.14690459

>>14690315
>>14690431
>>14690456
t. hylics deluded by maya

>> No.14690460

>>14690456
cope harder, Guenon posting is the best meme of 2019-2020 and saved this board from reddit

>> No.14690466

>>14690460
>>14690459
>>14690438
Based Guenonposters

>> No.14690472

>>14690431
Sedgwick actually only infers that from the evidence available to him, but there is nobody on record as saying that Guenon (pbuh) never knew it. One of the few items that makes Sedgewick conclude this is that Guenon (pbuh) wrote to someone asking for quotes of Ibn Arabi passages that were relevent to a book on metaphysics, but most of his main books on metaphysics where he cites Arabi the most were written before 1933 (multiple states of being was published in 1932), and neither we nor Sedgewick has any idea whether Guenon (pbuh) learned it in the remaining 20 or so years of his life, which would have been quite possible given his gift for languages.

>> No.14690484

>>14690472
Guenon rarely cites Islamic sources and his personal library contained almost no Islamic texts, especially those of Ibn Arabi.

>> No.14690496

>>14690472
>which would have been quite possible given his gift for languages.

What indicates he had anything beyond a dilettante understanding of those languages?

>> No.14690501

>>14690370
Guenon would have stayed in academia had he been able to.

Dude was a shitty historian who bragged about never having set foot in a university library. Yike!

>> No.14690583

>>14690484
He didn't need to have as much Islamic material when he had direct access to the doctrine in the form of the Egyptian Sufi groups that he participated in

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>>14679284

>> No.14690599

>>14690496
>prove to me that he knew them even though many sources attest that he had a strong gift for langauges and was proficient in at least half a dozen
No thanks hylic, I don't have to prove anything to you. You will never be as smart, as gifted with languages or as accomplished as Rene Guenon (pbuh). I know that it hurts you deeply inside to know that.

If you find the pain too much to bear, just remember that neither you nor me nor Rene Guenon (pbuh) are actually real, the Atma alone is truly real.

>> No.14691215

>>14690599
Based!
>>14690496
Extremely cringe. Repent to Guenon(pbuh).

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>>14688861
>>14688962
I took more points in INT for the medical skills

>> No.14691283

>>14690315
>Corbin actually succeeded in academia
that really doesn't mean anything except who knew how to write what academia was willing to support

>> No.14691765

>>14691277
>no power throw
>no power draw

How do you expect to be able to win at tournaments or tip the scales in seiges without ranged? smdh nigga

>> No.14692037

Based

>> No.14692043

>>14691765
Crossbows > Bows

>> No.14692052

>>14679284
>René Guénon (uguu~)

>> No.14692461

Why does everyone talk like a teenager in these threads?

>> No.14692767

>>14682485
>im not aware of any initiatic rite that does that in itself
In the context of genuine esoterism it's the norm for the esoteric teaching to be first introduced to the newcomer as part of the initiation process. This is what separates initiation into an esoteric teaching from simply becoming a member of something, the latter of which Guenon did not dispute was a part of Christianity

>> No.14693154

>>14692461
because poor quality bait deserves a poor quality response

>> No.14693178

What is this pbuh shit?

>> No.14693308

>>14693178
Rene Guenon (pbuh) was a prophet of the primordial Tradition and thus deserves to be addressed with due respect

>> No.14693490

>>14679284
so I just started Guenon (intro to hindu studies), and my god is he a snoozefest

>> No.14693872

>>14685860
What would non-dualist Christianity even look like?

>> No.14694064
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>>14693872
The writings of people like Meister Eckhart, Eriugena, Nicholas of Cusa etc offer examples

>> No.14694695

bump

>> No.14694783

>>14694064
I mean in practice.

>> No.14694804

>>14679284
Hey, that symbol is used the spiritual school I've been going to.

It's called "Hu", which is Arabic for He.

>> No.14695280

>>14694804
tell me more about the spiritual school you are attending, I'm curious

>> No.14695381

>>14686051
Hesychasm is predicated on true distinction between God's Essence and His Energies. There is no way to reconcile non-dualism, which at its most fundamental level teaches that distinction is illusion and reality is ultimately oneness, with Christianity which teaches that at the most fundamental level you have a true and irreducible distinction between Essence, Energies, and Person, and within Person you have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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>>14695280
The focus of the school is helping people to be more centered in their immediate experience, for a number of reasons. Such that God is in all things, including our experience that is happening right at this moment. This is our point of contact with the divine, or what is usually referred to as our true nature or the true nature of everything.

Being in the moment can have quite a few obstacles and so our approach is to allow the obstacle and to inquire in to it. By bringing our attention to anything in our experience, whether it's boredom, hatred, loving, expansion, etc we understand it further, allow it loosen, and allow what is contained in it to be revealed, which is always something quite sacred and important.

A lot of the time the barriers we experience are psychological and were formed in childhood in our relationships with our parents, siblings, society, etc so there's quite a bit of modern psychology, especially psycho-dynamic theory incorporated to understand how our parents have shaped us and how to live less compulsively in our daily lives.

It takes quite a bit of influence from Sufism: studying the Lataif, using Sufi poetry as a point of reference, the idea of our emotions and obstacles being the next step in uncovering ourselves and Truth. It's called Ridhwan.

>> No.14695938

>>14695381
>There is no way to reconcile non-dualism, which at its most fundamental level teaches that distinction is illusion and reality is ultimately oneness
that's irrelevant here though, buddhism actually teaches no-self even though that's clearly a false doctrine just designed to lead the buddhist mind to enlightenment.
same with the trinity, except it actually happens to be true in the our world with non-dualism being the ultimate truth underlying even it. you don't even need to explicitly discuss the 'deepest' underlying truth to reach it.

>> No.14695955

How do I stop myself from being a hylic?
I haven't coomed for 5 days already but I still do not feel elevated.

>> No.14695962

>>14693490
this! omg I frickin' HATE it when there is nothing to entartain me with COOL battler between Romans and degeneracy! im going to read Evola instead...

>> No.14695967

>>14693178
(piss be upon him)

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>>14695955
read Shankaracharya (pbuh)

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-vol2.pdf

>> No.14696203

>>14696113
see >>14682512 before reading shankara

he is a cryptobuddhist

>> No.14696229

>>14691277
>Vaishya and Kshatriya skills only
it just doesn't seem right

>> No.14696244

>>14695938
So you can disregard anything a non-dualist says by retreating to >oh thats just the exoteric doctrine, you have to read Guenon and understand Advaita to understand the real meaning bro.
Why not just take the spiritual teachers of various religions at face value and let them disagree if they want to instead of insisting that literally every religion is (esoterically) compatible with your particular beliefs and religious practice? If a hesychast tells you that they reject non-dualism are you really going to try and 'correct' him?

>> No.14696261

>>14696113
My protestant blood viscerally dislikes outward material showings of a religious nature.

Such material dots and lines.

Such material dots and lines.

>> No.14696264

>>14679284
A primordial tradition doesn't exist.
Prove me wrong.
>protip, you can't

>> No.14696276

>>14679284
his name means monkey bitch hehe

>> No.14696298

>>14696276
He looks like a monkey as well. What do you know? He thinks like one too!

>> No.14696431

>>14696229
that's a lower incarnation of Guenon (pbuh). right before the final one we say in our lifetimes.

>> No.14696452

>>14696244
>oh thats just the exoteric doctrine, you have to read Guenon and understand Advaita to understand the real meaning bro
That's literally true though.
>Why not just take the spiritual teachers of various religions at face value
Because taking things at "face value" would diminish the true depth behind their teaching.
>If a hesychast tells you that they reject non-dualism
Show me a single quote saying "I reject Advaita-Vedanta as the highest metaphysical truth" and prove that he was not merely being "tactical" to avoid giving lesser minds the wrong idolatrous ideas.

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>>14696298

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>>14696298
>>14696500
It's the other way around. Monkeys were created in his image.

>> No.14696522

>tfw you will never molest your cute niece's cunny after initiating her into sacred opium meditation

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>>14696203
t. seething hylic

That's your second strike, on the third one I will post the image of the professor debunking and btfoing Nagarjuna's logic and embarrass you in front of everyone

>> No.14697892

Can someone redpill and tldr me on the Christianity-Guénon controversy/opinion? What did he think of it? I've only heard some vague stuff as to him not liking some part of the rites.

>> No.14698080

what did guenon mean when he said that buddhism has an element of sentimentality?

>> No.14698085

>>14698080
probably
>muh suffering bad

>> No.14698225

>>14697266
Based, buddhistfags can't respond to Robinson's retroactive refutation of Nagarjuna and must resort to personal attacks.

>> No.14698234

>>14698225
based, this

>> No.14698239

>>14698225
>>14698234
Based

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>>14697266
>>14698225
>>14698234
>>14698239
>lmao based hahah
you got raped by that anon lol

>> No.14698331

>>14698327
based

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>>14698327
>Nagarjuna
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO

I'm at work at the moment because I'm not a NEET with autismbux and so I cannot type out a 6 page response on my Iphone when Im expected to be working but when I get home in 4ish hours I'm going to retroactively refute all of that and make a post linking to it in this thread when I do.

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>>14698724
>I'm going to retroactively refute all of that
Holy based......

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14698893

I sure hope you have finished your daily viewing of the Adi Shankaracharya (pbuh) film, anon.
https://youtu.be/Epo6ayGKsjg

>>14697266
>>14698225
>>14698724
>>14698862
Supra-based & supra-intellectual.
Time and time again, Buddhist doctrine is being shown to be deluded and retroactively refuted.

>> No.14699723

>>14679284
BASED BUMP

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>>14679295
It is the absolute systems, anon.
The masses exhausted by Western ideology want a return to tradition because it's a return to meaning, but any meaning. Russian, Eurocentric, Americanism, Indo, ANY SYSTEM that treats them as human beings and respects their inner selves, and does not treat them as just another cog will attract their attention.

>> No.14700595

based

>> No.14700661

>>14700098
The masses want an end to bullshit, which is certainly isn't tradition. The postmodern lamentation of the loss of meaning is the result of realizing that the modern world is based upon a series of pyramid scheme con games to enrich and empower the few at the expense of the many. The present is an intensification of historical con games that has become a war of mass deception amplified through media and the internet. What the masses want is an end to this war of mass deception, to the industrial manufacturing of propagandistic bullshit.

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>>14679284
based

>> No.14701653

>>14701215
based

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>>14690496
>What indicates he had anything beyond a dilettante understanding of those languages?
He had a deep enough knowledge of English to write horror stories. He also knew enough Italian to communicate with Evola.

>> No.14702484

>>14702057
kek

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>>14702057
>Italian
i hope it wasn't of the Sicilian kind.

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How do I become a Guenonian Rosicrucian?

>> No.14702684

>>14686382
lmao

>> No.14702688
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>>14687146
Based...

>> No.14702692

>>14697892
bump

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14702894

>>14698724
>>14698862
done

The mother of all /lit/ retroactive refutations.

>>14702809
>>14702814
>>14702817
>>14702820
>>14702826
>>14702836
>>14702838
>>14702840
>>14702845
>>14702846
>>14702851
>>14702853
>>14702859
>>14702865
>>14702867
>>14702872
>>14702873
>>14702876
>>14702879
>>14702886

>> No.14703646

>>14679304
this, although they are welcome

>> No.14704085

>>14684228
cringe

>> No.14704488

>>14681527
Where do I find these on Amazon or some shit though.

I hate reading on my phone.

>> No.14704545

>>14704488
Volume 1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B015X4PMM8/

Volume 2
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/8175050179/

>> No.14704582

>>14704545
Thank you very much.

>> No.14706038

Based

>> No.14706088

>Nagarujuna
OH NO NO NO

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>>14706088
>any form of Buddhism
OH NO NO NO NO NO

>> No.14706693

>>14706686
Pbuh

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>>14702057
>>14702688
>>14702894
>>14704545
>>14704582
>>14706088
>>14706686
>>14706693
Holy based.

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14706977

Every time I open a collection of sayings by Guenon (pbuh) I am left awestruck by the sheer power of his gnosis...
I pray that someday I shall become like him (pbuh).

>> No.14707052

based thread

>> No.14707056

Based....

>> No.14707212
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>Yes, Shankara, I now see why my teaching was deluded. I fully accept Advaita-Vedanta and Atman as the absolute metaphysical truth.

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>>14706731
>>14706977
>>14707052
>>14707056
>>14707212
Based Guénonians... (pbuh)
The seething hylics cannot compete.

>> No.14707415

>>14707223
Based...

>> No.14707630

b-b-b--b-b-b-b-bb-b-BASSEED!!!!

>> No.14708297
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Very nice book which may be of interest to my based fellow Trad anons

https://www2.uned.es/dpto-hdi/History%20of%20Non-dual%20Meditation%20Methods.pdf

>> No.14708324

>>14708297
Based indeed, have been reading it from the previous time this link was posted here.

>> No.14708346

>>14707223
>since they represent 'matter' in the Aristotelian sense
lmfao

>> No.14708481

>>14708297
Based!

>> No.14709459

bump

>> No.14709484

>>14708297
Table of contents has nothing on Buddhism, why?

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>>14709484
See >>14707212 and >>14706686 and >>14702894.

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>>14709484
guenon didn't know much about buddhism or else he would have known advaita/neovedanta's reputation for being cryptobuddhism, see >>14682512

>> No.14709598

>>14709514
Guenon (pbuh) didn't even write that book you retard, I see you are still reeling from your retroactive refutation.

>> No.14709610

>>14709598
Based!

>>14709514
Cringe

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>>14709514
Cringe.

>>14709499
>>14709598
>>14709610
Based.
The hylics have been eternally retroactively refuted and now have to publicly bear the shame..

>> No.14709633

>>14709514
cringe

>>14709627
based Guenon crushing hylics

>> No.14710722

>>14679284
pbuh

>> No.14710973

based

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>>14679284
>Brothers! let us discuss the books and ideas of the great René Guénon (pbuh), as well as those of related thinkers and schools of thought.
Based.

>> No.14713086

based and blessed thread.

>> No.14713380

>>14708297
Sounds based. Thanks for posting it.
Do you know if you can read the Christian chapters in any order?

>> No.14713529

>>14679284
guenon means monkey bitch

>> No.14713818

>>14713380
They can be read in any order, although it may be helpful to read the chapters on Hindu and Platonic non-dualism first, as the former is sometimes used as a common reference point and the latter was influential upon the later Christian material.

>> No.14713821

holy based, brothers
alhamdulillah after reading GUENON (pbuh) I have OBTAINED the TRUTH and now I see the light at the end of the TUNNEL
TAKBIR (pbuh)

>> No.14713904

A prolegomenon for any future Guénon-posting. To avoid the monkeyfying of the great one, let it be known that in Windows the code to produce the "é" with acute accent is ALT+0233 with the numeric keypad. I hope we may distinguish the genuine adherents of Tradition from the false by their discerning use of the proper symbols.

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Is this legit?

>> No.14714012

>>14713954
It is, there was an updated 1.1 version but it isn't posted as often. The most important change was that even though it doesn't say so, 'Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta' should be read before 'Symbolism of the Cross' or any of his other books on metaphysics, this was his first major book on metaphysics and the later ones reference it and say "X topic was covered there already we will not repeat ourselves for the sake of brevity" etc

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>>14713904
based, thanks
>>14714012
thanks for the pro-tip
>>14713821
may we all reach the same heights inshallah
>>14707212
kek
>>14713529
thankfully the accent mark in his name makes it different
>>14709484
Buddhist non-dualism not always but often has the tendency to arrive at a sort of spiritual materialism that is antithetical to the eternal truth.
>>14709627
this
>>14708297
This is invaluable, thank you based anon
>>14702670
Sadly I think the tradition is no longer genuinely active.

>> No.14714996

>>14708297
how is it?

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Is Guenon generals the same as perennnialism general or is he different?

Has any Traditionalists wrote about Shintoism, Japanese Paganism? or Tengri?

Also what is the Hindu vs Buddhism position here?

>> No.14715406

why did guenon convert to a perennialism-hostile religion? couldn't he just become a Hindu?

>> No.14715425

>>14715406
All religions are hostile to perennialism. What you call “Hinduism” included. A Shankaracharya spoke against it in favor of Sanatana Dharma, if I’m not mistaken.

>> No.14715749

>>14715425
Even though hinduism is probably one of the most friendly, Perennialism overcomes adherence to the Vedas as a touchstone of Orthodoxy which advaita is still bound to

>> No.14716077

Lads, I started reading Guenon (study of the Hindu doctrines) I now understand why he became a meme. All western thought has been refuted. Philosophy as the unwashed masses know it is nothing more than a massive cope. Kant was just a salty manlet.

>> No.14716081

>>14716077
Based!

>> No.14716664

>>14715406
why would one need to follow a perennialistic religion though? if all the orthodox ones are in some sense valid, that's sufficient.

>> No.14717959

based

>> No.14718223

Based

>> No.14718452

>>14679284
More like Jewnon

>> No.14718498

Prince Charles is a fan of Guenon

>> No.14718513

>>14718452
This. He converted to Judaism on his deathbed.

>> No.14718519

>>14718498
Hope he becomes king

>> No.14718524

>>14718519
he is based and will definitely shake things up a bit since his reign will be short. gotta do the dirty work for Billy boy

>> No.14718529

>>14718513
people misheard him on his deathbed. he didn't say "allah". he said "shoah". remember the 6 million goyim

>> No.14718746

What did Guénon (pbuh) say on vampires? aren't they iniaitic by their very nature?

>> No.14719565

>>14718513
>>14718529
based. guenon knew that a full-fledged Jewish/human soul is preferable to a filthy goy one.

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>>14719565
>>14718529
>>14718513

>"The case of Freud himself, founder of ‘psychoanalysis’, is quite typical in this respect, for he never ceased to declare himself a materialist. One further remark: why is it that the principal representatives of the new tendencies, like Einstein in physics, Bergson in philosophy, Freud in psychology, and many others of less importance, are almost all of Jewish origin, unless it be because there is something involved that is closely hound up with the ‘malefic’ and dissolving aspect of nomadism when it is deviated, and because that aspect must inevitably predominate in Jews detached from their tradition?"

- Rene Guenon (pbuh)

>> No.14719612

>>14719597
Based... Guenon knew how to play the system and converted right before his death so as to not be detached from tradition for even a second but still gain the spiritual benefits of being Jewish.

>> No.14720672

>>14679284
https://discord.gg/hCjX58e

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