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[Anonymous No.14624093]

Was Jesus Christ a philosopher?

[Anonymous No.14624097]

>>14624093
no, but he was the son of God.

[Anonymous No.14624098]

Yes

[Anonymous No.14624099]

no, he was a carpenter.

[Anonymous No.14624101]

>>14624093
Yes, but one like Sockrates

[Anonymous No.14624104]

>>14624099
I think you meant a sailor

[Anonymous No.14624113]

>>14624093
Jesus was that homeless guy on the sidewalk yelling “repent, for the end is near!” at random passers-by.

[Anonymous No.14624117]

>>14624093
Philosopher is a retarded term.

[Anonymous No.14624125]

>>14624117
Explain

[Anonymous No.14624127]

>>14624093
He was a teacher, a rabbi, a prophet, a carpenter, a prisoner of Rome, the son of God, and the savior of mankind. You could call a teacher and a rabbi a philosopher, but that implies he struggles with the truth. Jesus Christ IS the truth.

[Anonymous No.14624131]

>>14624101
This, a street kind of philosopher.

[Anonymous No.14624132]

>>14624093
Yes of course.
He was also the only begotten Son of God
Born of the Father before all ages
God from God, Light from Light
True God from True God
Begotten not made, one in being with the Father
Through Him all things were made
For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven
And by the power of the Holy Spirit was born of the Virgin Mary and became man
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate
He suffered, died, and was buried
On the third day he rose again
In fulfillment of the Scriptures
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead
And his kingdom will have no end

[Anonymous No.14624138]

>>14624113
but he was the first to do it so he kinda blew up

[Anonymous No.14624152]

>>14624125
What makes a philosopher and what makes a carpenter?
Philosopher as a label is malleable and near anyone who has expressed their individual views on life could be argued as being one. Jesus for example has a clearly established philosophy throughout the New Testament that he explains via his various parables. This makes him a "philosopher", but this also makes Jenny the opinionated cunt a philosopher in many ways as she clearly has just as well a defined philosophy on life that she is eager to present at any given moment.
It means nothing. There is no real proving ground for what defines a philosopher from a layman. One could argue that in the modern world a degree may be needed as a Historian would certainly need such a credential to be taken seriously, but no philosopher will ever be asked for such a thing as it superfluous in regards to philosophy as a subject.
A carpenter in contrast is very well defined. Any many can assemble a purchased a shelf but no man argues that makes him a carpenter. It is a very strong skill set that one needs and in the modern, western world one needs proper credentials for such a thing. One looks at a carpenter and knows he is one, but no one can really place their finger on what the defining line is for what is and isn't a philosopher. And that is because it is a retarded concept to begin with.
Philosophy is for gay dumb dumbs.

[Anonymous No.14624161]

>>14624104
>falls asleep on the boat
>misses launch so he walks to it
>tells off the storm
Jesus did not respect the sea.

[Anonymous No.14624283]

>>14624138
No, John the Baptist did it first.

[Anonymous No.14624295]

>>14624152
Nice philosophy

[Anonymous No.14624378]

>>14624093
No, he was one part of the deity known as God.

[Anonymous No.14624803]

>>14624097
>43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of YOUR Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as YOUR heavenly Father is perfect.
-Matthew 5:43-48
>>14624098
Yes.
>>14624125
He loved wisdom more than blindly following the law.
>>14624127
Can this meme die please? We are all children of G-d, and if he was the savior why don't we have universal peace? Why aren't the sayings of the prophets fulfilled? >>14624132
What sense does it make that in Gethsemene he was praying to himself?

Lets just make it clear. He was just a radical rabbi in a time of radical messianic anti roman fervor. He was an extremist of forgiveness and charity and a very righteous man. Whatever paul wanted us to believe about him are his own machinations and have nothing to do with serving G-d 'with all our heart, with all our soul and with all our being.'

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14624809]

>>14624093
He was a fucking kike. Nice nose, Shlomo.

[Anonymous No.14624833]

>>14624295
Precisely.

[Anonymous No.14624837]

>>14624809
He was the best of Jews.

[Anonymous No.14624840]

More of a sage than a philosopher. For a philosopher you need logic. There isn't much logic in "I AM THE SUN OF GOD EAT MY FLESH AND THOUST SHALT BE SAVED"

[Anonymous No.14624858]

>>14624809
damn, when did butterfly start frequenting /pol/?
please tell me you're straight now
>>14624840
you're making it pretty obvious you know nothing about Jesus or the New Testament except for things you've gathered through cultural hearsay

[Anonymous No.14624972]

>>14624283
John was his cousin, though.

[Anonymous No.14625009]

>>14624809
When did butterfly turn into an anti-Semite

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !!oI3er5KKetj No.14625015]

>>14625009
When an asshole cracked the code.

[Anonymous No.14625103]

>>14624161
YHWH > Neptune

[Anonymous No.14626595]

>>14624093
I would say no as unlike Philosophers, he accomplished something.

[Anonymous No.14626607]

>>14624840
I don’t know where to begin with this statement anon. The ignorance is too much for me. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.14626619]

>>14626595
Ah yes Jesus Christ, the first scientist

[Anonymous No.14626627]

>>14624803
Hi. I don’t care about your particular beliefs on the subject, but I see you from Time to time. Writing it as G-d is incredible faggy and annoying to read. Unless you are some esoteric mystic, I see no reason why you would write it this way for a non petty reason.

[Anonymous No.14627039]

>>14626619
ONLY SCIENCE MATTERS

[Anonymous No.14627303]

What was his tax policy? What did he think of the greeks? Is his life just a footnote to Plato?

[Anonymous No.14627307]

>>14627303
And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” And they marveled at Him.

What a stateist.

[Anonymous No.14627501]

Not only that, but gave direct access to an ethic life throughout his numerous travels and now, as fortune smiles upon us, by reading his gospel

[Anonymous No.14628674]

>>14624093
>>14626619

>Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself

This ends the world.

[Anonymous No.14628695]

The entire reason we give any credence to the things Jesus said is that he rose from the dead. St. Paul talks about this, this is where the "If Christ is not raised, we above all are to be pitied" line comes from. Christ's authority as a teacher and an exemplar comes from the fact that he said he was going to be killed and rise from the dead, and then that's exactly what happened. Christianity is a big waste of time if the Resurrection isn't literally true.

[Anonymous No.14628715]

>>14624093
A shallow thinker. Read one good book in your life.

[Anonymous No.14628728]

>>14628674
that really depends on what "neighbor" means

[Anonymous No.14629027]

Natural Philosophy (a.k.a. Science) is a subfield of Philosophy, and Theology is the Queen of Sciences.

[Anonymous No.14629140]

>>14628695
So, first recorded and documented staged death?
Thatbegs the question; who wrote the play?
Romans? Jews? Christians?

[Anonymous No.14629144]

>>14624093
Yes, he was a Cynic

[Anonymous No.14629192]

>>14629144
Only for 3 days though

[Anonymous No.14629274]

>>14624093
He had a human brain, so, probably.

[Anonymous No.14629781]

>>14624093
Everyone is a philosopher. Not everyone is a good philosopher.

[Anonymous No.14630052]

>>14624093
No, he was a philosophy, and an obvious cobbling together of irreconcilable ideas from other sources.
>In the beginning was the word
Jesus is the word, because that's literally what he was. A word. Written to create a sacrificial god-man for the sake of controlling all these concepts. Jesus is an obvious cognate of Dionysus (say it without the "n") and the cult has been trying to manifest the "return" into physical form since they first pulled all this shit together.

[Anonymous No.14630069]

>>14624093
much more of an activistic poet

[Anonymous No.14631214]

>>14624093
He is love, so yes.

[Anonymous No.14631224]

>>14630052
>translating λογος as merely "a word"

[Anonymous No.14631255]

"Loving, of enemies is another dogma of feigned morality, and has besides no meaning. It is incumbent on man, as a moralist, that he does not revenge an injury; and it is equally as good in a political sense, for there is no end to retaliation; each retaliates on the other, and calls it justice: but to love in proportion to the injury, if it could be done, would be to offer a premium for a crime. Besides, the word enemies is too vague and general to be used in a moral maxim, which ought always to be clear and defined, like a proverb. If a man be the enemy of another from mistake and prejudice, as in the case of religious opinions, and sometimes in politics, that man is different to an enemy at heart with a criminal intention; and it is incumbent upon us, and it contributes also to our own tranquillity, that we put the best construction upon a thing that it will bear. But even this erroneous motive in him makes no motive for love on the other part; and to say that we can love voluntarily, and without a motive, is morally and physically impossible.

Morality is injured by prescribing to it duties that, in the first place, are impossible to be performed, and if they could be would be productive of evil; or, as before said, be premiums for crime. The maxim of doing as we would be done unto does not include this strange doctrine of loving enemies; for no man expects to be loved himself for his crime or for his enmity.

Those who preach this doctrine of loving their enemies, are in general the greatest persecutors, and they act consistently by so doing; for the doctrine is hypocritical, and it is natural that hypocrisy should act the reverse of what it preaches. For my own part, I disown the doctrine, and consider it as a feigned or fabulous morality; yet the man does not exist that can say I have persecuted him, or any man, or any set of men, either in the American Revolution, or in the French Revolution; or that I have, in any case, returned evil for evil."
-T. Paine, Age of Reason

[Anonymous No.14631705]

>>14624113
Made his home base in Capernium

>>14629144
lol

[Anonymous No.14631730]

>>14624803
fuck off kike

[Anonymous No.14631834]

>>14630052
>"Dioisus" even though Jesus is the latinized form of the greek form for Ieshuá.
>muh comparative mythology meme
>muh latin "Verbum"

[Anonymous No.14631884]

>>14627039
no i didnt say that. good job putting words into my mouth, but at least the greeks gave tremendous contribution into both science AND ethics.

Christards sure never change. So anti intellectual

[The Prophet !!lwPyLS41HmK No.14631944]

>>14624803
I did not come to bring peace to the Earth, but fire and a sword

[Anonymous No.14632034]

>>14628695
>"If Christ is not raised, we above all are to be pitied"
What a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.14632060]

He went insane from his wagie drudgery and founded a religion to prop up the tatters of his feeble ego.

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.14632415]

>>14624093
Yes - Philosopher King & Heavenly Architect.

[Anonymous No.14632447]

>>14624131
weirdly both of them are the most influential people who have ever lived.

[Anonymous No.14632651]

>>14624093
No, considering the bible was written after him

[Anonymous No.14632799]

>>14624152
>Philosophy is for gay dumb dumbs.
read: I'm angry I couldn't come up with anything novel

[Anonymous No.14632959]

>>14631255
>unaware of the grievous socratic irony of jesus whereby you should let your enemies be as evil as they want so that they have no recourse before him

Are all Anglos like this?

[Anonymous No.14632996]

I don't think you can be a philosopher if you have all the answers. Philosophy is a search, it's an active process of interpreting the world. This makes it a strictly mortal pastime.

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.14633237]

>>14632996
Contrarily: being close to God conduces to philosophical plenitude, through gnosis, from ontological fullness; the closer that one is to God, via one's own Nobility - the more excellent is one's philosophy.

[Nemo !!GgBWHLRiayD No.14633320]

>>14632996
>>14633237
Beyond mortality in particular, and becoming in general, (the need for)philosophy is terminated, with the mediated knowledge attained, and maintained, via philosophy, having been integrated within the perfect immediacy of Being.

[Anonymous No.14633328]

Jesus was the first Übermensch

[Anonymous No.14633356]

>>14631224
>>14631834
phonemes speak louder than words, but that's something you language fags will never understand

[Anonymous No.14633362]

>>14633356
>phomemes speak louder than words

tfw meme so supreme it's a phomeme

[Anonymous No.14633417]

>>14633362

[Anonymous No.14634653]

>>14624093
I don't know, but I do believe he had a net-negative effect on philosophy overall. One can easily observe the drastic reduction in quality between the level of metaphysical speculation seen of Plato's Dialogues to that which eventually made it's way into the Holy Bible. Of course, the former texts represent possibilities of reality's underlying nature, which do not give anyone a reason to feel certainty - Socrates, unlike Jesus, was humble enough to merely question truth rather than simply declare himself such - while the latter gives every person a much-poorer metaphysics that are declared as the absolute truth, which their own egos then leap after as "the singular revelation they've always been waiting for".

Everything we know of the figure called Jesus is sourced either from the documents his apostles left us, or of the opinions of his followers. And while I can't confirm or deny any details of these to correspond to the original historical person, I can say that human psychology is decidely bent towards saviors, apocalyptic fantasies, desires to be special and chosen among a sea of blind and ignorant proles, and so on, and that Christianity's popularity in our world is the product of this.

I am also quite bemused at the way his religion has completely inverted people's conceptions of the Divine - whereby worshipping symbolic representations of God in the form of mythological archetypes is seen as inferior to that of worshipping a literal, flesh-and-blood rabbi who lived on Earth for a few decades. I think the pre-Christian Greeks, like Plato, would be utterly bewildered by what his culture would come to see as constituting the highest approach to spirituality. Not saying the latter is wrong, but that the former would be demonized is indeed quite strange.

Instead of simply giving the people spiritual principles to follow, he had to keep himself in the picture. Unlike someone such as the Buddha - who was merely a teacher of a path, the path having value intrinsically and the teacher only to the extent to which they can teach it - Jesus indeed made quite a deal about himself, and I think this has done great damage to society.

His teachings weren't clear enough for his religion to not fracture into countless denominations following his death, and his followers will obviously blame themselves for their misunderstandings rather than their master who they consider perfect in every way. And if Jesus really does have a metaphysical existence, and these Christians are indeed speaking to him during prayer, why does he not simply tell them what his true teachings are, in such a way that avoids ambiguity or need for debate? He often spoke in crypticism that every person decides the meaning of for themselves, in such a way that every Christian believes they know what "true Christianity" looks like, and not a single one of them can demonstrate this to be true, or even demonstrate the words of the Gospels to belong to the historical person.

[Anonymous No.14634692]

>>14624093
More of a cultural symbol for people with little-to-no philosophical background to utter nonsensical statements like "he is the truth!" for, and thereby satisfy their own egos, rather than contemplate what "truth" even means in the first place in which case identifying a deceased historical person with such an abstraction would resound for the absurdity that it is. Or rather, if they do have philosophical background and still assert such statements, then that's even more regrettable.