I'm hurting, bros.

[Anonymous No.14608502]

I'm hurt real bad. I am heartbroken. Help.

[Anonymous No.14608505]

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[Anonymous No.14609414]

>>14608505
neat.

[Anonymous No.14609421]

>>14608505
I like the veins. I always hate how veiny penis are under represented in the media, like we care so much about little fat girls, ,but what about little boys with veiny dicks. Who speaks for them?
You do, you fucking champion.

[Anonymous No.14609423]

>>14608505
fpbp

[Anonymous No.14609540]

>>14608502
What a depressing book.

[Anonymous No.14609552]

>>14609540
I don’t think so. It’s really quite uplifting. Despite all the struggles Stoner faces, he still lives what is undoubtedly a happy life. It’s a beautiful meditation of the power of stoicism.

[Anonymous No.14609557]

>>14609540
What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.14610031]

>To W.S.
More than once I had to put this down just to cry out in silent agony.

[Anonymous No.14610034]

>>14609552
this

[Anonymous No.14610043]

>>14608502
read this last year and i loved it, are his other books as good as this one?

[Anonymous No.14610069]

>>14609552
>>14610034
I wouldn't call it a happy life. I think it's more of a beautiful and meaningful life than a happy one. To me, it's more about a "nobody" fading into nothingness while also being celebrated by the author.

[Anonymous No.14610076]

>>14608505
this is what poor edith had to deal with

[Anonymous No.14610087]

>>14609552
>this is what stoicfags actually believe

[Anonymous No.14610104]

>>14610069
yeah i'll agree, its just a beautiful poetic look at a common life, the kind of life most of us get to have

[Anonymous No.14610143]

>wife hates him
>only woman he truly loves he is forced to leave
>daughter becomes the town bicycle, followed by alcoholism
>still able to find joy and meaning at the end of it all
I agree that it was an uplifting book

[Anonymous No.14610229]

>>14610069
john williams himself says the book is about work, and considers Stoner to have a happy life.

[Anonymous No.14610252]

>>14610229
>implying the author matters at all

[Anonymous No.14610260]

>>14610252
intention matters, it doesn’t change what the book means, but i think it can inform analysis.

[Anonymous No.14610293]

Lomax pisses me the fuck off. What a simpering little weakling.

[Anonymous No.14610378]

>>14608505
Pretty based

[Anonymous No.14610906]

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[Anonymous No.14610961]

>>14610260
>but i think it can inform analysis.
For the worse. Ideally it should be only you and the words

[Anonymous No.14611194]

>>14609552
>>14610143
Did he actually find joy or did he just managed to not fall into the spiral of depression his life would put many people in?

I don't think this book was uplifting at all. Living a miserable life isn't uplifting not matter how much the subject endures it.

[Anonymous No.14611263]

>>14608502
Wait, didn't this guy do the Star Wars soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.14611570]

>>14610076
stoner didn't seem like the hung type t b h

[Anonymous No.14611622]

>>14610229
Williams' opinion of life in general is different than most of ours. He simply presented a mediocre life in all its beauty. As a book simply a combination of words and ideas, the book is merely an idea, one that is reduced down to the word "Stoner" in the same way infinite ideas are reduced to the idea of "happy" or "dog". Kant has some interesting stuff on this in the first half of his Critique.

Anyway. The idea Stoner creates is the same for everyone, yet this idea doesn't mean the same thing to all. In the same way "dog" can make someone think of a childhood pet and another person think of an animal that mauled their baby, the idea isn't changed. Both are "dog". What I'm getting at is Stoner is just like "dog". The man who named 'dog', technically making the idea of what a dog is, has no authority to decide whether a dog is a good or bad thing. Williams may have wrote with whatever intention but, in the end, all he created is an idea. It isn't that he has no authority over what 'Stoner' means. It's just that he layer down the categories, word by word, and we can only view these categories as they stand.

[Anonymous No.14611860]

>>14611622
I'll have to check out Critique then. I've always been intimidated by it, but apparently it puts down the kind of stuff I like to pick up.

[Anonymous No.14612774]

The chapter where Edith separates him from Grace read like a horrible nightmare. I never realized it was one of my worst fears I could ever imagine.

[Anonymous No.14613984]

>>14612774
i don't have a wife, much less a daughter and that really made me feel things...i can't imagine the pain of having your child turned away from you like that
obligatory fuck edith

[Anonymous No.14614620]

>>14610031
>For W.S.
FTFY, you cocksmoking bitch. Sloane would fuck your ass just to prove what a worthless hobbyhorse you are.

[Anonymous No.14614647]

>>14614620
Well Lomax was a faggot so what does that make you?

[Anonymous No.14614649]

>>14608505
Top quality post

[Anonymous No.14615219]

>>14608502
When I first read it I thought he was just a ressentiment-filled loser incapable of imposing his will into the world - the complete opposite of an ubermensch. Nowadays I envy him, for his love for literature was enough to make him keep going. He even had something most people don't, a job he liked. It took some time but it grew on me, just like realizing your adulthood.

[Anonymous No.14615389]

>>14609552
>>14610143
>be Stoner
>have best friends
>choose a wife
>choose a mistress
>get from farmer to docent
>die knowing that universities are no safe spaces for dipshits like LoMaX

[Anonymous No.14615792]

>>14608502
How does this book stack up against Steppenwolf?

[Anonymous No.14616266]

>>14609557
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.14616323]

>>14611622
I like what you're saying.
I remember having finished the second to last chapter when I got the news that my father had died. All through the book Stoner had reminded me of my dad, up to the age and manner of death, and including career, legacy, family (yes, I'm not far from going full Grace, but at least he didn't live to see it, like Stoner did). Then I sat and read the last chapter.
So yes, this book is going to stay with me in a way it may not have stayed with anyone else ever, including its author. Or maybe I'm not that special, who can say? But that's the beauty of beauty and the art of art, innit?

[Anonymous No.14616473]

>>14608505

[Anonymous No.14616555]

>>14612774
It is pure horror. I do have a daughter. It's gutting. That part will stay with me probably as long as I live because he knows what it's like, Williams. He knows what it's like to have your heart ripped and stomped on while you look down at it in front of you and you give it a half smile, prop up the facade.

[Anonymous No.14616580]

>>14615389
Stoner and Steppy would be friends in a crossover episode

[Anonymous No.14616596]

>>14616555
trips of sad truth

[Anonymous No.14616828]

>>14612774
>>14613984
>obligatory fuck edith
Grow up retards. Obligatory Edith did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.14617065]

>>14616828
>>14613984
You're both right. She was a vile cunt, but then again, no use getting mad. She was a woman. It's what they do.

[Anonymous No.14617083]

>>14616828
Edith did a whole bunch of shit wrong; she was a terrible mother and spiteful wife. I still pity her though; it was clear that she never had a choice in the first place, her parents doomed her from the start.

[Anonymous No.14617212]

>>14616828
>DURRR B-BUT MUH GONDRARIANISM ::DD:DDD

[Anonymous No.14617240]

>>14617212
She was literally raped

[Anonymous No.14617279]

>>14617240
By Stoner? No she wasn't, you pussy ass zoomer fuck.

[Anonymous No.14617318]

>>14609552
Happy, no. I would say he was content, though, which is far more important.

[Anonymous No.14617328]

>>14610076
Edith deserves rape

[Anonymous No.14617332]

>>14610961
very cringe

[Anonymous No.14618217]

>>14617279
How was she not raped, edgelord ?

[Anonymous No.14618250]

>>14617240
They were married, fucking retard. It is not a woman's place to deny her husband sex.
>inv4 LITERALLY LE EDGE AHUEHUEHUE

[Anonymous No.14618253]

>>14618250

[Anonymous No.14618255]

>>14618250
>>14618217

[Anonymous No.14618263]

>>14609552
Stoner ruined his own and his daughters life because he was a coward. Then he died treated like a baby by his deranged wife, while lomax corrupts the one thing he loves. Not very uplifting, but 100% his own fault (except the cancer I guess).

[Anonymous No.14618282]

>>14612774
Agreed. When he remembers her drawing there as he dies I cried the most I have in a long time.

[Anonymous No.14618375]

>>14618253
>t. aspiring divorcee
No woman is going to respect you with that attitude, dude. No one.

[Anonymous No.14618391]

>>14618375
They'll respect me even more if I beat the shit out of them, doesn't mean that I'll do it

[Anonymous No.14618397]

>>14618217
she chose to marry him and them acted like an infant. she knew what marrying entailed.

[Anonymous No.14618441]

>>14608502
only by letting go of what you thought you had can you possibly regain what you really did have.

[Anonymous No.14618471]

>>14618397
The impression I got is that Edith's parents had left her completely unprepared to deal with life. Until her "change", she seems utterly incapable of action and only seethes at the man who took her father's place as her 'jailer'. Imagine being raised wholly sheltered, with your parents terrible, dead marriage as the only point of reference for what a relationship is.

[Anonymous No.14618598]

>>14618471
you make williams sound like a far worse writer than he is, as if the book is some lame melodrama. edith is not some blameless victim who could have been just so sheltered that relationship troubles are completely stoner's fault. that is entirely unrealistic. it's probably about even culpability. edith was not literally sheltered in the sense she never went out, socialized, or mingled with others. she also spent a considerable amount of time with her far more well adjusted aunt, and she was taught what the duties of a proper wife are.

[Anonymous No.14618676]

>>14610043
Butcher's Crossing is on the same level, Augustus is better in some ways but not as impactful, and his novella is inspiring because it shows how much you can improve if you work hard, which is to say his novella is fucking garbage lmao.

[Anonymous No.14618688]

>>14608505
COOOOOOOOOOM

>>14608502
should I read it? I'm already depressed.