God

[Anonymous No.14580913]

“But where is this true possession of God, whereby we really possess him, to be found? This real possession of God is to be found in the heart, in an inner motion of the spirit towards him and striving for him, and not just in thinking about him always and in the same way. For that would be beyond the capacity of our nature and would be very difficult to achieve and would not even be the best thing to do. We should not content ourselves with the God of thoughts for, when the thoughts come to an end, so too shall God. Rather, we should have a living God who is beyond the thoughts of all people and all creatures. That kind of God will not leave us, unless we ourselves choose to turn away from him.”
― Meister Eckhart, Selected Writings
>When will the reasoncels ever learn?

[Anonymous No.14581103]

Bishop Albert says: "A poor man is a man for whom all things that God ever created are
not sufficient", and that is well said. But we say even better and take poverty in a higher way: A
poor man is one who wants nothing and knows nothing and has nothing. I will speak on each of
these three points and I beg you for the love of God to understand this truth, if you can.
However, if you do not understand, do not worry on that account because I am going to speak
of a truth such that only a few good people will understand.
First, we say that a poor man is one who wants nothing. Many people fail to understand
this statement correctly; they are the ones who cling to their selfish "I" in their spiritual practices
and in their external good actions, which they take to be great accomplishments. God have
mercy on such people who know so little of the divine truth

[Anonymous No.14581111]

Daily reminder it has been empirically proven religiosity stifles scientific innovation.

https://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Religion%20December%201g_snd.pdf
http://www.nber.org/papers/w21052.pdf

Daily reminder the overwhelming majority of leading scientists are atheists

https://www.nature.com/articles/28478
https://evolution-outreach.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1936-6434-6-33

Daily reminder most philosophers are atheists

https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl

Daily reminder religious people are less intelligent according to dozens of studies.

http://diyhpl.us/~nmz787/pdf/The_Relation_Between_Intelligence_and_Religiosity__A_Meta-Analysis_and_Some_Proposed_Explanations.pdf

Daily reminder religious people are less educated

https://www.economist.com/news/international/21623712-how-education-makes-people-less-religiousand-less-superstitious-too-falling-away

Religious people are literally a lesser breed of human

[Anonymous No.14581140]

>>14581111
Meister Eckhart didnt preach religion

[Anonymous No.14581198]

>>14581111
Daily reminder you aren't a scientist, won’t ever contribute to science, that many genius scientists have been and still are (kaku) theists, and your devotion to scientism and “intelligence” as a means to disprove God only show up your own ignorance and inadequacy in the face of a universe you barely understand

[Anonymous No.14581211]

>>14580913
Sola fide.

[Anonymous No.14581255]

>>14580913
>tfw you finally understand things like this after years of having Christianity being forced onto you, becoming an atheist, then rekindling your relationship with God years later
Feels blessed, man.

[Anonymous No.14581271]

>>14581111
based quads based post

[Anonymous No.14581273]

>>14581111
>the west is decadent

what else is new

[Anonymous No.14581277]

How does one understand God in the intuitive stroke without stating him?

This is difficult, and here lies the pattern of all existence, but I am so close.

[Anonymous No.14581313]

>>14581255
> For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found
Blessed indeed anon

[Anonymous No.14581329]

>>14581277
Inner poverty, we shouldnt seek to find god but rather seek to let ourselves be found by god .
Detachment compels god to love you.

[Anonymous No.14581705]

The knower and the known are one. Simple people imagine that they should see God as if he stood there and they here. This is not so. God and I, we are one in knowledge. Meister Eckhart

[Anonymous No.14581714]

>>14580913
You are too stupid to actually understand anything so you just say it's all unknowable. Cope cringe etc.

[Anonymous No.14581723]

>>14580913

[Anonymous No.14581750]

>>14581255
Similar story here except I went from agnosticism to Buddhism and now back to Catholicism. I just bought my first Bible as well just yesterday. I can't explain this return other than I have an overwhelming urge to study the Bible and related works.

[Anonymous No.14581774]

>>14581714
t.thoughtcucked
Mind can never thread into kingdom of God for God is not there but here, mind cannot understand anything but the illusion of duality since it is of such nature.
>reasoncels never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.14581899]

>>14581723
One of the cringiest images ever made

[Anonymous No.14582055]

>>14581723

>muh flashlight

Reminds me of this video 42:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CltwD0Ek9Kk

[Anonymous No.14582116]

jfl when people presume they can think their way into the presence of the lord

ive spent my entire life trying. there is no book one can read, no philosophy or esoteric knowledge. there is only faith and the fruits of faithful labor, and that in itself makes one worthy of revelation. take away all literature of posterity and you are left with this. God is most pleased when one acts out of faith, towards virtue. that literally in itself brings you closer to divine revelation. prayer, meditation, and exercise all simply facilitate the process. now, being too attached to the world for the successful completion of faithful labor is another thing entirely. that means you can't let go of worldly things. which is where i am, and i tell you now, it is absolutely wretched.

imagine seeing your future but lacking the power to change any of it.

[Anonymous No.14582613]

Every time I read about mysticism or faithful acts I want to do those things, or pursue a more faithful way of living, but am reminded of my disgusting sins and the ease with which I allow temptation to take hold of me, giving into it willingly and through my desire for personal pleasure and self-glory, and I am filled with terror at the sure knowledge that if I do not change my ways I will be cast out of God's presence at the last Judgement. Yet due to my perverse desires and sinful nature I forget such things when temptation appears once more, and allow myself to sink ever deeper into sin, because the sure fact that the only wage of sin is the death of the soul is momentarily out of my immediate recollection.
Lord, have mercy. Each time I sin, I curse myself, and know that I have willingly and in full knowledge of the consequences added even more weight to the millstone around my neck which will drag me to Hell - and yet I still sin.

[Anonymous No.14582668]

>>14581723
Now there is only one enemy left, Rick. Two, if you count God.

[Anonymous No.14582673]

>>14581111
>religiosity stifles scientific innovation
Based.

[Anonymous No.14583511]

>>14580913
>Quoting a heretic.
Tread lightly, hoss.

[Anonymous No.14583602]

>>14582673
Did you paint that yourself, gunenonfag?

[Anonymous No.14583742]

>>14581140
Exactly. What Eckhart taught was more than enough to get him burned at the stake. Still, saying this says nothing about the incredible content he wrote, which was more fascinating than any intellectual work anyone pretending Eckhart was stupid will ever manage to produce in their entire lives.

>>14583511
Sorry anon, Eckhart is a good man of the faith and always has been. I'm actually serious, it's an official stance of the Holy See.

[Anonymous No.14583817]

>>14583742
>What Eckhart taught was more than enough to get him burned at the stake
>Eckhart is a good man of the faith and always has been. I'm actually serious, it's an official stance of the Holy See.

isn't this a contradiction?

[Anonymous No.14583854]

>>14583817
It's only a contradiction if I held both of those opinions at the same time. I do think he could have burned at the stake if he hadn't recanted everything and put himself under the authority of the Holy See before he passed away. The actual details of his trial aren't known that well since they didn't keep manuscripts at Avignon. Also, there's some nuance missing from his accusation of heresy, it was something like a set of statements or propositions Eckhart had made in the past were taken as heretical rather than Eckhart directly. You would have to look it up to get to the truth of it, since I'm too busy. But that's the gist of what led the Holy See to decide there wasn't anything to hold against his reputation anymore.

[Anonymous No.14583864]

>>14583854
My understanding is that the accusation was based on a misunderstanding of his ideas, since his manner of expression is so unusual for the theology of the period, but at no point did he actually hold any heretical beliefs.

[Anonymous No.14583921]

>>14581198
>many genius scientists are theists
>names one, who is agnostic at best
scraping the barrel again
>a universe you barely understand
barely understanding the universe is better than not understanding it at all

[Anonymous No.14583929]

>>14583864
To be honest, I am vastly ignorant of theology beyond a few things here and there Augustine and Eckhart wrote. So perhaps that is entirely true. What has me mostly convinced otherwise is an essay Peter Eastman wrote on what seemed to be the very heart of Eckhart's teachings. The essay itself is called "Beyond the Ultimate: the impossible proposition at the core of Meister Eckhart’s unique teaching, and why he remains so consistently misunderstood".

"What he said, in effect – and by implication, as he did not address the subject in precisely these terms - was that mystical experiencing, no matter how profound and revelatory and divine and sacred, could not be the end of any authentic metaphysical quest, because there was still a more important ‘something’ way
beyond all of that, and that this ‘something
way beyond all of that’ had nothing to do with
mysticism, or experience, or God, or life, or Love, or anything remotely humanly comprehensible in any conceivable way. So different is it from anything we know, or can think of, that even to think that we have managed to label it as a ‘something’ is a
big mistake."

[Anonymous No.14583931]

>>14583929
Sorry anons, formatting absolutely bricked when I tried copying that.

[Anonymous No.14583933]

>>14583511
>hold on a second.. now this doesn't quite fit into my machiavellian framework.. heresy!

[Anonymous No.14583936]

I would actually petition the board to develop logical fundamental assertions through mathematics and science to prove God’s existence. :3

I’ve been doing this lately through a moral approach (that a socially Darwinian model of society would not work within Game Theory), so I would expect to see this as well.

[Anonymous No.14583977]

>>14583936
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.14583998]

>>14583933
Kinda like always.
>fascism, antisemitism, misogyny, racist

[Anonymous No.14584003]

>>14580913
>When will the reasoncels ever learn?

Never as long as they fail to understand that the whole of spirituality from neoplatonism to hinduism and christianity recognize that which they don't: that rationality is made from different levels, and that we have been steadily imprisoned on the level of Dianoia or circular logic; a sub-set of ourselves which became a death-trap from which we refuse to expand.

[Anonymous No.14584018]

>>14583977
...what?

[Anonymous No.14584071]

>>14583929
I wish I were more familiar with Eckhart to comment conclusively on that quote. But my understanding of Eckhart's thought is that it is the ultimate via negativa, approaching God through negations in our thought, to the point where we approach God without any thought at all but pure receptivity--since, in Christian thought, it is a cardinal point that we cannot make our own way to God, God must come down to us--so, too, with theology and mysticism. I go to a Catholic university and there are quite a few Christian neo-Platonists around who've told me this. I see Peter Eastman is a Buddhist scholar so he may be projecting his own views onto Eckhart. But if you are interested in the intersection between Christian and Eastern thought, there's a book called Zen Catholicism that might interest you, written by a Benedictine monk on the parallels between Zen and Catholicism.