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[Anonymous No.14515892]

>NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! YOU CAN"T JUST SACRIFICE ANIMALS ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT!!!!! THAT"S MEAN!!!!!!
Books explaining this Christcuck revisionist practice?

[Anonymous No.14515925]

>>14515892
It’s considered idolatry who’s symbolic value is rather low with little metaphysical purpose behind it.

[Anonymous No.14515928]

René Girard's work on guilt and the use of scape goats, culminating in Christianity wherein the worship of one singular transcendent and loving scape goat nulifies the needs for any further sacrifices like animals on altars
Dumb wojack poster

[Anonymous No.14515931]

>>14515892
It's a materialistic practice done in return of divine favours. Essentially religious prostitution.

[Anonymous No.14515937]

>>14515928
that same loving scape goat is the one who instituted the sacrificial cult in the first place, brainlet

[Anonymous No.14515938]

>>14515892
Christianity abolished sacrifice.

[Anonymous No.14515939]

>>14515892
God rejected Cain's offering, but not Abel's. Isaac was not sacrificed. The Levitical laws set limits on sacrifice. Christ, as God, allowed himself to be sacrificed, and is present on cross in every eucharist, as an unbloody sacrifice. If the mass is God himself on the altar, what other sacrifice has any meaning? It is so insifficient compared to the gift God has given. It is an insult to make any other sacrifice except through the intentions and offerings of the mass.

[Anonymous No.14515942]

>>14515925
>idolatry
And worshiping a literal image isn't? LMFAO!
>>14515931
>materialistic
You mean to say the "materialistic" God who commanded these sacrfices? LMFAO. What an idiot.

[Anonymous No.14515944]

>>14515938
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! THINK OF ANIMAL RIGHT"S!!!! YOU CAN"T JUST K1LL AN ANIMAL!!!! IT HAS FEELINGS!!!!!!!
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.14515953]

>>14515925
>It’s considered idolatry
probably the dumbest post i've read this week, and i've been pretty active on lit...

[Anonymous No.14515970]

>>14515937
not that very bright anon but you are mistaken, that was another person.

[Anonymous No.14515971]

>>14515937
And then he abolished it

[Anonymous No.14515985]

>>14515942
Yah, that’s why there was quite a few schisms because of that, the more image heavy sects justify it with transcendental attributes. You brought up a question which has been a point of debate for eons. I’d recommend transubstantiation if you would like an example.

>>14515944
Now I know you are retarded because you misunderstood the concept of sacrifice with low level empathy. They didn’t stop sacrificing because it hurt the animal, but because of the perceived valuelessness and vanity of the act.

[Anonymous No.14515986]

>>14515925
>little metaphysical purpose
Soulless goyim not being able to understand that every mitzvah has a deep metaphysical purpose doesn't show lack of purpose.
>>14515931
>materialistic practice
This. All physical rituals need to be abolished. We should just adopt a (((Protestant))) prayer ethic instead.

[Anonymous No.14515995]

>>14515985
>the more image heavy sects
I agree. Image heavy heresies of Judaism like Christianity have had quite a few schisms because of this.

[Anonymous No.14516003]

>>14515985
>perceived valuelessness and vanity of the act
>NOOOOOOOOO!!!! I FEEL BAD ABOUT THE ANIMAL SO I SAY ITS VAIN AND MEANINGLES!!!!! IM AN EMPATHETIC PERSON I KNOW BETTER THAN GOD HIMSELF IF SOMETHING IS VAIN OR NOT!!!!!!
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.14516023]

>>14515928
>worship of one singular transcendent and loving scape goat
so you guys don't worship the Father or the Holy Spirit anymore or are they now all collapsed into one singular entity?

[Anonymous No.14516025]

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[Anonymous No.14516030]

>>14515892

Consider the whole transmutation of the Atonement into the Victor as the exposure of sacrifice, and its implicit Mereology and Relativism, by the Monad.

[Anonymous No.14516035]

>>14515892
Jewish Ritual Murder (Humans) - Arnold Leese

https://anonfile.com/Lcm1m287n4/Leese_Arnold_-_Jewish_Ritual_Murder_EN_1938_141_S._pdf

[Anonymous No.14516037]

>>14515925
>literally enacted by God himself
>idolatry
Christkeks are so retarded. Try reading your own scripture for once.

[Anonymous No.14516046]

Based. I would immediately convert to Judaism if they rebuilt the Temple, G-d willing.

[Anonymous No.14516057]

>>14516003
Ok, now I know you don’t even want to have an honest discussion. I can stomach one or two upset wojak posts, but after that I know all you have is scapegoat and cringeposting.

If you believe that sacrifice was a no go because of base sympathy I am happy if you would give some evidence, I might reconsider.

[Anonymous No.14516073]

>>14516037
Yes, Enacted, but not enacted as a common ritual. You could give the example of issac, but that is usually considered a singular test of faith rather than something that should be ritually done. If a particular sect interpretates it this way, I am happy to hear.

[Anonymous No.14516080]

>>14515986
An austere protestant world view absolutely BTFO's any faggot deitys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5va8cL7zqo

[Anonymous No.14516087]

>>14516073
You clearly haven't read the Pentateuch. Moses receives explicit instructions for animal sacrifices on Mount Sinai, and they are carried out all the way until the Babylonian exile.

[Anonymous No.14516093]

>>14516073
>but not enacted as a common ritual
Read your own scriptures lmao

>Additionally, cumulative korban olah offerings were made on the Shabbat,[13] the first day of each month,[14] at Jewish New Year,[15] Passover,[16] First Fruits,[17] the Day of Atonement [18] and the Feast of Tabernacles.[19] The sacrificial animals were required to be bulls, rams, goats (as sin offerings) and lambs.

[Anonymous No.14516113]

>>14516080
>absolutely BTFO's any faggot deitys
But does it have aesthetic prayer shalls and blacks wrappings with ancient scrolls inside them? Protestantism is aesthetically (and thus metaphysically) vapid and null.

[Anonymous No.14516122]

>>14515939
Anon Cain had the plants and Abel had the sheep. God btfod vegans forever. It's explicitly stated that the sacrifice is for the smell. God loves the smell of burning flesh. The priests always ate the meat it's the smell that matters hence some Christian churches still having smelling censors with burning stuff.

[Anonymous No.14516123]

>>14516080
>protestant
>BTFO's
oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.14516135]

>>14516087
>>14516093
Ok, but that is not a part of most Christian dogmas, which I believed you were referring too.

A lot of Old Testament stuff is explicitly considered obsolete with the new. Not what goes into your mouth, but what comes out, allowing followers to eat during a holy time etc. spirit of the law instead of letter.

Are we talking about Jewish legalism instead of Christianity? If so that’s a separate but related topic.

[Anonymous No.14516138]

>>14516057
>NOOOOOO!!! I HAVE THIS CONVOLUTED CONTRADICTORY EXCUSE FOR WHY I AM ALLOWED NOT TO HURT ANIMALS ANYMORE!!!!!! IT MAKES ME SAD!!!! THINK OF ANIMAL RIGHTS!!!!
Cringe, bro.

[Anonymous No.14516146]

>>14516135
We're talking about how braindead christkeks are for claiming that animal sacrifice (ordained by G-d himself, who you think is Jesus) is somehow """idolatry"""".

[Anonymous No.14516158]

I get the feeling that most Christians here would pussy out of making an animal sacrifice even if G-d directly commanded it of them right now.

[Anonymous No.14516163]

>>14516135
It's not separate. In Christian belief, God ordained the ritual law for the jews, it was only superseded later. You were trying to paint it as false idolatry.

[Anonymous No.14516191]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcVR2OVxPYw
yep, looks like i'm for animal sacrifice now.

[Anonymous No.14516258]

>>14515892
Is there an actual empirical argument for sacrifice besides "lol god said it"?

[Anonymous No.14516269]

>>14516191
>(((Tel Aviv)))
Every time.

[Anonymous No.14516272]

>>14516258
It actually works
t. sacrificed a goat to Kali and my annoying coworker died like a week later from an unidentified disease

[Anonymous No.14516277]

>>14516123

[Anonymous No.14516296]

>>14516191
Who is this faggot? Just about the most insufferable pseud i've ever been introduced to

[Anonymous No.14516300]

>>14516163
>>14516146

Sorry if I implied that. I ment that that in the Christian sense Jesus came to refulfil the ancient pact with god and through spiritual sacrifice and not those previous ones, which were considered material and vein in process if not in intent. Christians don’t endorse those sacrifices but see it as a crude older method vs the liturgy or similar practice. Those older ones are still considered idolatrous.

[Anonymous No.14516320]

>>14516300
>considered material and vein in process if not in intent
>crude older method
So you are saying Jesus enacted laws making people do "material", "vain" and "crude" rituals?
>Those older ones are still considered idolatrous.
How could G-d command idolatry when it's the most serious violation a Jew is supposed to even die over?

[Anonymous No.14516334]

>>14516300
>crude older method
>muh progess

[Anonymous No.14516380]

>>14516296
A protestant/calvinist hardcore atheist and "le no free-will meat puppets" hard-determinist.

[Anonymous No.14516386]

>>14516320
>So you are saying Jesus enacted laws making people do "material", "vain" and "crude" rituals?
Pact with god =/= laws of pharisees and the like. That’s why most Christian churches have a dubious/vague relationship with the Old Testament. Taking it in a similar sense as Plato or Cicero does with traditional religion.

>>14516320
>How could G-d command idolatry when it's the most serious violation a Jew is supposed to even die over?

It’s almost like Christian dogma and Jewish dogma has some disconnects. It’s not like there has ever been incidents between the two groups.

[Anonymous No.14516398]

>>14516300
>>14516300
>refulfil the ancient pact with god and through spiritual sacrifice
>spiritual sacrifice
>spiritual

The sacrifice of Jesus was body and blood, not spirit. It was as John the Baptist said ‘this is the lamb of God’

[Anonymous No.14516423]

>>14516398

And? It was Pilate who said "King of the Jews".

[Anonymous No.14516437]

>>14516386
>Pact with god =/= laws of pharisees
Animal sacrifice is a commandment received from God at Mount Sinai.
>most Christian churches have a dubious/vague relationship with the Old Testament
Because they are counter-tradition and heretical. Look at all the idolatry happening in them for yourself and it should start making sense.
>Taking it in a similar sense as Plato or Cicero does with traditional religion.
lol. Not taking the Old Testament as the Word of God is blatantly heretical in relation to the early Church. Literally no sensible Christian would say that.

[Anonymous No.14516458]

>>14516437
Oh so we are talking about specific churches now. If we are talking early church, that can range all the way from pretty much Orthodox Judaism with a asterisk, to pretty much neo-Platonism with another asterisk.

[Anonymous No.14516484]

>>14516122
It is not the smell. It is obedience and glory to God. Abel makes a bloody offering, which God likes less; but Abel gave the best of his flock. Cain gave grain, but gave little and not his best. Repeatedly God asks for the best as sign and ransom for what is truly owed, which is all.

[Anonymous No.14516486]

>>14516458
>specific churche(((s)))
Another heretical notion. It's amazing how easy it is for Christians to fall into denying even the four Gospels.

[Anonymous No.14516577]

>>14515925
>idolatry
How exactly is one worshiping an idol by slaughtering an animal in the One True God's name?

[Anonymous No.14516645]

>>14516486
?

But you referred to the “early church” which was nowhere near uniform. Why would I reduce something that was not reducible? Are we talking post counsel of Nicaea orthodox?

>>14516486
Idolatry is not about worshiping the wrong God, you can warship oden without being an idolator. It’s about worshiping material bodies instead of the spiritual ends itself. That’s why a lot of prots dislike Virgin Mary statues and stuff, fearing that the admiration for a person will be corrupted into the worship of an image. That’s why the trinity is such a hammered in point

[Anonymous No.14516674]

>>14516645
>It’s about worshiping material bodies
so like.... jesus christ?

[Anonymous No.14516679]

>>14515925
>>14515892
t. doesn’t understand the Cross

[Anonymous No.14516695]

>>14516645
>It’s about worshiping material bodies instead of the spiritual ends itself.
Explain how slaughtering a goat when commanded by G-d to do so is idolatrous? What idol/material object is being worshiped as if it were G-d?

[Anonymous No.14516717]

>>14516398
Jesus have mercy that’s brutal as fuck. Why? That has no place in a Church. I hate the west.

[Anonymous No.14516755]

>>14516674
In a way yes, again, that’s why hard core prots like quakers don’t even have the cross in their meeting house. Because the line between mere symbology and idolotry can be a slippery slope, some eschew it all together. In more lax sects it’s that you do not worship the cross or Jesus as an item, but as a conduit to experience the son. It’s on a spectrum of symbology to idolatry and it’s not solely a Christian concept. Orthodox Muslims historically did not allow images of living things, and Buddhists don’t worship Buddha as a person, but his teachings and ideals.

[Anonymous No.14516757]

animals are for friends

[Anonymous No.14517039]

>>14516717
The crucifixion was brutal, but it was the act that saved mankind from slavery to satan. And it reminds us of Christ’s humanity. People need to be reminded of this. Crucifixes belong in every Christian church.

[Anonymous No.14517632]

>>14515928
You had to read Girard to reach the conclusion that the disciples, church fathers and even prots reached easily?

[Anonymous No.14517655]

>>14515892
Haha, try harder. Everyone here knows what type you are. Sage