Memerson and the masculinity crisis

[Anonymous No.14495996]

What is the exact cause of the social malaise that led to his books becoming so popular? What created these "men without chests," this plague bitter unloved narcissistic lazy hedonistic incompetence that has so gripped a certain portion of the male psyche in the past few decades. Any books which document this?

[Anonymous No.14496030]

Baeumler's Männerbund und Wissenschaft is pretty good if you read German. He was diagnosing the same phenomenon in the 1920s and 1930s. He was really in a long line of commentators on the Wandervogel phenomenon and its philosophical significance.

Essentially, the deracinating forces of Jewish modernity have no place for meaningful social change, that is for world-historical dialectic, and so they have no place for men, who are the agents of such change. Locked off from any ability to contribute to Spirit, men get confused and go haywire like the rats in that Calhoun experiment. First they sink into themselves, then the weaker ones break under the strain and become degenerate hedonists and faggot trannies. But the smaller the remaining minority of healthy men (or at least, men who want to be healthy and to live in a healthy society), the angrier they get. It's an inverse relation.

The prevailing liberal dogma that everything can be solved with further hedonism, further leisure and leisure time to jack off to porn and play video games until you're 50 with no family because women are all whores now, not only doesn't retard this process, it aggravates and accelerates it. Apparently working in a cubicle every day so you can go home and jerk off isn't the most fulfilling way to end all of human history.

[Anonymous No.14496040]

Lots of things, such as the increase of divorce rates and kids raised by single parents, virtue signalling and politically correct prejudice, state funding of left unfounded ideologies and ideas (aka funding of political activities disguised as studies) etc.

[Anonymous No.14496043]

>>14496030
>Jewish

[Anonymous No.14496051]

>>14496043
Yes, read Werner Sombart's The Jews and Modern Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14496055]

>>14495996
>Their schizophrenia is not just because of their own failings, but because the system has manifested to guarantee their failure

>Drunk on a cocktail of social media technology and hyper capitalism, the
fussiness of women and expectations of social performance are at an all time high

>Meanwhile in a frenzy of hermitesque gaming fantasy escapism, actual male social performance is at an all time low
The net result is an insurmountable chasm between expectation and performance which is resulting in the complete alienation at a societal level of the non-elite male sexual agent

>The response from these males has been a something akin to the Marcusian "Great Refusal", where instead of rising to meet these unrealistic social expectations, the common male agent is utterly refusing them as false and not aligned with their personal desires whatsoever.

>In a clash between the manufacturing of a hypersexualized male product meant to capture that adoration and material consumption of the female agent, and the actual reality males find themselves living in, there seems to be a rebellion developing in what exactly it means to be a man in this new age of internet living; one where you can either consume self improvement products and identities at a dizzying pace, only to probably miss the ever moving target of market driven female expectations, or resign yourself completely to a sexless and recognitionless existence as a cyber exile separated from any access to his sexuality whatsoever outside of his own consumption of pornographic products and toys
this however, will never fulfill the needs of either party, for recognition from a legitimate other. Alienation will intensify for both types of sexual agent, as their one way consumption of sexual products has capitalist social media and pornographic companies absorbing their much coveted recognition and attention, rather than sharing it with one another

[Anonymous No.14496063]

>>14496055
jesus christ that image

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJB9Z6Q2CsE

[Anonymous No.14496088]

>>14496063
Why is polyamory considered a legitimate form of relationship now? First it was faggots, then trannies, and now these cunts.

I hate to say it but I'm afraid pedophilia will be the final frontier for this phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.14496104]

>>14496088
Next will be open harems for richniggers. We will slide imperceptibly to institutionalized and normalized versions of the current injustices and inequalities like this. Ugly shit tier men will become an underclass of worker plebs who simply accept their lot. Attractive pleb-born women will be uplifted to the harems of jews whose dads own companies. Capitalism will become open feudalism instead of veiled feudalism.

Behind the scenes of that, they will continue doing all the childfucking they want, as they likely already do.

[Anonymous No.14496239]

HOW DO WE ESCAPE LADS

[Anonymous No.14496252]

>>14496088
Cunny is based though

[Anonymous No.14496271]

>>14496252

How old are you?

[Anonymous No.14496295]

>it's the systems fault I spend my weekends masturbating and playing vidya

[Anonymous No.14496315]

>>14496295
Cope.

[Anonymous No.14496316]

>>14496295
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.14496358]

>>14496295
So whose fault is it? Why is such feeble degeneracy so endemic of young men today?

[Anonymous No.14496413]

>>14496358
Women are just as hurt by degeneracy as men, it's just that society collectively cares more about their well-being than they care about men's.

[Anonymous No.14496420]

Joe Rogan reaches 30million people. He got pushed.

[Anonymous No.14496430]

>>14496055
jesus christ, where is this text from?

[Anonymous No.14496440]

>>14496413
When women degenerate they suck a lot of dick, have "anxiety attacks" and start cutting themselves. When men degenerate they become completely anti-social autists who can barely interact with the world around them and lack any degree of robustness that will lead to them excelling in the world. And it's only a certain percentage of men to which this happens to.

[Anonymous No.14496446]

>>14495996
Christianity lost its power and in the vacuum what took its place is hedonism and liberalism.

[Anonymous No.14496451]

He's a father figure in a world with a ton of single mothers, telling you to clean your room and penis.

[Anonymous No.14496455]

>>14496440
There are plenty of men who degenerate themselves with promiscuity, drugs and other kinds of self destructive habits.

[Anonymous No.14496474]

>>14496055
>you can either consume self improvement products and identities at a dizzying pace
uh oh...

[Anonymous No.14496475]

This >>14496451
I pretend that Jordan Peterson is my father, and I also pretend that Pewds is my friend.

[Anonymous No.14496492]

>>14496455
That's not degeneracy that's just Chad being Chad. True male regeneracy is implosive

[Anonymous No.14496505]

>>14496430
It's another anon's post that I saved a while back.

[Anonymous No.14496510]

>>14496475
I personally don't see him that way.

[Anonymous No.14496525]

>>14496510
It's good cope bro

[Anonymous No.14496527]

>>14496358
>So whose fault is it?
Yours

[Anonymous No.14496536]

>>14496295

[Anonymous No.14496545]

>>14496492
What you call being a "Chad" is degenerate behavior. Manly behavior is controlling your impulses and being a rational, tough men. Not being someone who is led by his dick.

Your way of thinking that being promiscuous is a good quality is an example of the decline we are seeing.

[Anonymous No.14496546]

>>14496295
>it is better to orbit sluts and trying to amuse them than staying at home

no wonder society is dying.

[Anonymous No.14496548]

>>14496527
So why is it increasing

[Anonymous No.14496552]

>>14496545
>What you call being a "Chad" is degenerate behavior.
Not really

[Anonymous No.14496553]

>>14495996
"The Myth of Male Power" is pretty good

[Anonymous No.14496561]

>>14496545
I'd like to be Chad just to fuck tinder thots while completely going againt what they say they want.
I'd ridicule their use of "cat mom" and state right from the bat that I want to smash if I saw the girl was "tired of superficial assholes", and quite frankly, I think I'd still fuck.
Nothing makes me more mad than disingenuous women

[Anonymous No.14496566]

>>14496553
Farrell is the original nigga. It's sad how much he has to soft-shoe and kowtow in that book just to avoid mainstream outrage, and after all that, he still regularly gets harassed, gets called a "rape apologist" and such.

Another great book is Roy Baumeister's Is There Anything Good About Men? You can see a preview of it here:
https://psy.fsu.edu/~baumeisterticelab/goodaboutmen.htm

Christina Hoff Sommers was also really good prior to the faggy internet culture warriors discovering her, legit scholar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqOTj9NDv80

[Anonymous No.14496572]

Capitalism

[Anonymous No.14496574]

>>14496552
Yes, it is.
Promiscuity is a vice. Just like drug addiction, which you also consider to be "Chad behavior".

[Anonymous No.14496587]

>>14496552
Not him, but pic related.

[Anonymous No.14496591]

>>14496574
>>14496587
Just because you say it is doesn't make it so.

[Anonymous No.14496592]

>>14496446
Somewhat true. Christianity really was just subverted in doctrine by the increasing standards of living and widespread introduction of the printed press and scientific empiricism which falsely dissuaded people from the belief in an intelligent creator. This process will soon be revered thanks to modern Orthodox philosophers who are synthesizing creationism with modern empiricism through metaphysics and darwinism.
>>14496295
Kinda true, but that’s mostly because what else can men do? Hunting and fishing is rather limited in possibility for city-dwellers; other forms like bowling are entirely superficial and thanks to the introduction of mass communication, only pre-selective groups of friends partake in these activities (not made for solo); less male-only spaces overall and ability to be male without technology capturing and broadcasting which provokes men into no longer desiring to display themselves; technology inherently replacing most of what man was once useful for and limiting his innate abilities (path finding, problem solving, etc.). Of course, vidya and tv is the easy way out to satisfy yourself and should be looked down upon in general. It really doesn’t help that wages and compensation for work has stagnated heavily since women entered the workforce.
>>14496358
It’s everyone’s fault.
>>14495996
Lack of need for masculine men. We’re already a transhumanist society in that men are not a necessity in order for society to function. Most people work sedentary office jobs which requires zero physical talent or otherwise more masculine traits. It is also dangerous for men to be true to their nature, since technology proves men capable of far more destruction than was possible in old times. Also, mass luxury of leisure is afforded to everyone, and for some reason people never figured this would led to negative problems like we experience today. It all boils down to a general ignorance of cause-effect.

[Anonymous No.14496603]

>>14496587
what a load of non-sequiturs

[Anonymous No.14496609]

>>14496591
Being promiscuous is literally a lack of the virtue of temperance with regards to sexual pleasure.
You are admiring. people of low morals because of their low morals.

[Anonymous No.14496611]

>>14496295

[Anonymous No.14496629]

>>14496609
I admire the strength to achieve what you want to achieve without impediment. Enough of your self slavery

[Anonymous No.14496636]

>>14496592
Also: the widespread acceptance of homosexuality tends to diminish to value of heterosexuality which in turn further devalues the male. Homosexual acceptance also puts pressure on the heterosexual men into displaying less affection for their fellow brothers in fear of being labeled a faggot. Essentially, men can no longer be men without fear of being labeled as something backwards to their natural form. Society tends to spit in the faces of men, and it’s causing a huge meltdown that no one is paying attention to or is either completely dismissive of simply because “I not complaining so the problem is just u.”

[Anonymous No.14496674]

>>14496636
>Homosexual acceptance also puts pressure on the heterosexual men into displaying less affection for their fellow brothers in fear of being labeled a faggot.
no, that's burgerism

[Anonymous No.14496716]

>>14496629
You have the philosophy of an irrational animal. Instead of analyzing your base desires to see if you should follow them or not, you just follow them.

[Anonymous No.14496734]

>>14496063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_IKv8s2HnM

This is WAY WORSE.

[Anonymous No.14496741]

>>14496734
Is this the first real time live action cucking? Is this the first gonzo cuckoldry?

[Anonymous No.14496750]

>>14496716
>self denial is rational
Keep licking the boots of an imaginary being lad.

[Anonymous No.14496755]

>>14496741
>>14496734
I literally can't watch that. I can't even think of it, it makes me feel sick.

[Anonymous No.14496771]

>>14496750
Yes, using your rationality to think if following your base desires is good for you is rational.

[Anonymous No.14496782]

>>14496734
>the guy just went in the bedroom with the other guy's girlfriend and locked the door
>the other guy is on the couch
>"I guess I'm a real cuck tonight haha"
>starts talking about how he doesn't mind because life is about "having a good time"

STOP THIS FUCKING TRAIN RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT TAKING NO FOR AN ANSWER ANYMORE

[Anonymous No.14496785]

>>14496734
Whenever I feel bad about being a virgin, I take comfort in the fact that however damaged my dignity may be, I'll never sink to the depths of these degenerate aberrations.

[Anonymous No.14496797]

>>14496785

don't call me and destiny's girlfriend an aberration you fucking incel
have sex

[Anonymous No.14496809]

>>14496674
Faggotry is quite seriously ruining hetero male-male bonding. You’re equivalency if it being an American phenomena is so shallow and empty-minded that I can’t help but assume you’re a liberal faggot.

[Anonymous No.14496837]

>>14496734

ugly people have a surprising amount of sex

[Anonymous No.14496888]

>>14495996
>What is the exact cause of the social malaise that led to his books becoming so popular?
Women having rights.
>>14496088
>Why is polyamory considered a legitimate form of relationship now?
Weak men taking the only deal they get offered. Note how the majority of polyamory you see mocked online is one female with multiple males. Very few attacks on men with multiple wives.

[Anonymous No.14496922]

>>14496888
>Very few attacks on men with multiple wives.

That's at least somewhat respectable, unlike the one woman multiple women one. Still, if I was a woman, I would just choke on one Chad's dick instead of surrounding myself with these testosterone free söyboys. Maybe if I was a woman I'd get the appeal.

[Anonymous No.14496933]

>>14496809
ikr
can't even shake my bros' hands anymore without having to yell NO HOMO before and after making physical contact

[Anonymous No.14496947]

>>14496545
>What you call being a "Chad" is degenerate behavior.
The behaviors that are desired are different for the sexes and especially differ if you're talking about a biological or societal level.
(Straight) Male sexual promiscuity is biologically alpha and (in most cases) socially degenerate.
The decline we are seeing is a reversion to biological norm. This is the human animal, in all it's glory and disgust.

[Anonymous No.14496999]

>>14496592
>what else can men do?
You could learn to play the piano or something. Take up ballroom dancing. Paint.
>>14496636
Pic is stupid. Nobody is forcing you to define masculinity in such a narrow way, let go of that and all the other problems disappear. You know, like the feminists have been saying for years

[Anonymous No.14497004]

>>14495996
>What created these "men without chests," this plague bitter unloved narcissistic lazy hedonistic incompetence that has so gripped a certain portion of the male psyche in the past few decades.
The Modern World
> Any books which document this?
Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity

[Anonymous No.14497025]

>>14496933
You’re a pedantic faggot.
>>14496999
>ballroom dancing
>Pic is stupid. Nobody is forcing you to define masculinity in such a narrow way, let go of that and all the other problems disappear. You know, like the feminists have been saying for years
Literally kill your self.

[Anonymous No.14497038]

>>14496922
>That's at least somewhat respectable, unlike the one woman multiple women one.
It is respectable but also shows part of the root of the masculinity crisis. The allowance and ability for these top, desirable or 'chad' men to run free and act as they wish combines in a deadly way with the technological age. While I am going to stress I put this forward more for discussion than as hard fact, I would say that one of the core problems causing the masculinity crisis is ironically an over-abundance of masculinity. As far as courtship is concerned the modern woman has unprecedented access to men and is able to be far picker than in the past. That part is pretty simple. What I think a lot of people may overlook is the effect this has on other men though. For purely example, consider you lived in a small medieval village as an 'average' man. Population is nothing of note and more importantly, most people never travel far. While you're not one of the best hunters or the local lord's son, there is still plenty of women you have a chance with as there's not enough 'chads' to go around. There is reason to try and compete, to build your masculinity and value as there is still plenty of opportunity.
Meanwhile, while I don't know the range myself having never even bothered with it, apps like the infamous Tinder or other dating sites give women a full list of every eligible bachelor from kilometres around in their area, multiplied more by the increasing urbanisation and population density. Every top slot is filled. Every woman can find another handsome man she thinks may give her a chance with the tiniest effort.
The average man is a leper in a village of royalty. Why grow up?
>Maybe if I was a woman I'd get the appeal.
It's primarily women of mid to low attractiveness that can't hook a chad for life that settle for multiple male partners, to use their combined contributions of resources, to live a life of greater consumerism than she could off just one beta boyfriend.

[Anonymous No.14497078]

>>14497038
Didn't quite fit it in word limit, but the tl;dr is "Masculinity is something men pursue to compete with other men as potential mates for women. If there is no chance, or there is perceived to be no chance at getting a mate, there is also no drive to develop one's masculinity for most men." I feel the perception is a large part of it rather than a true drought of potential partners.
Only the men who have a great attraction to self improvement pursue masculinity for personal reasons rather than mate acquisition, at least that is what I think about it. Feel free to prove me a midwit while I am sleeping.

[Anonymous No.14497101]

>>14496999
>let go of masculinity
>become soft and weak
>nobody woman wants to fuck you
>no man wants to be your friend
>no-one wants to hire you
waste of trips

[Anonymous No.14497119]

>>14495996
Media is full of malice, and it spreads to social circles. Any pro-social movement, be it marriage or friendship is essentially gay and outdated, everything else is nazism and rape culture. Massive bullying campaign, essentially.

[Anonymous No.14497179]

"Chads" are just as boyish and immature as "incels". The end product of masculinity is the father, the patriarch, the head of the household, and neither the immature bachelors that chase loose pussy, or the video game obsessed pencil necks are suitable for the role. Or culture has arrested Male development at around 16, where all that matters is pussy, drinking, and video games, and the state is largely responsible. Women being pressed into the workplace has killed the labor market, as has global free trade, automation, etc so a man even earning enough to support his family is out of the question. The endless shell game of finance has also inflated housing to the point of being unaffordable without becoming a bank's serf. Most importantly our culture and family law had totally crushed any authority fathers have. Trying to restrain your children from endless sexual indulgence is endlessly scorned. Almost all socialization of kids is done by the state in public schools. Wives are given free reign to rob a man of his wealth and custody of his children. Wives generally have abandoned all of their duties in the home, the worst being dumping their babies into daycares where their children's formative years are controlled overworked, dispassionate foreigners.

The list goes on and on, but any incentive boys have to "man up" has been robbed from them by capital and the state. Almost every generation of men until the 70s was guaranteed a wife, a home, and authority over their family. Even peasants and serfs had a warm, lively home to return to. Men should overthrow this economic system at all costs, but we're too well fed to care.

[Anonymous No.14497263]

>>14497179
From renowned behavioral psychologist B.F. Skinner

[Anonymous No.14497275]

>>14497263
Do they really jerk off lions in circuses?

[Anonymous No.14497277]

>>14496636
>acceptance of homosexuality is bad because you may not be accepted due to being considered a homosexual

[Anonymous No.14497296]

>>14497275
I come from a proud lineage of lion masturbators and you will respect our profession.

[Anonymous No.14497356]

>>14496629
If state beta exists (loosely defined as the undesirable incel behaviors) it does not mean the exact inverse is noble. The opposite of a grotesque creature is not necessarily a perfect being. Just because the incel has a total lack of sexual intimacy does not mean that the ideal male has an excess of sexual intimacy. You don't create perfection out of the inverse of dysfunction. That's how you create a monster.

[Anonymous No.14497360]

>>14497356
>empty assertions without proof or rationale

[Anonymous No.14497374]

>>14497356
WOULD YOU LOVE A MONSTERMAN
COULD YOU UNDERSTAND
BEAUTY OF THE BEAST

[Anonymous No.14497388]

>>14497374
Do you? Tell me, what was the status of the beast at the resolution of the tale?

[Anonymous No.14497402]

>>14497388
>what was the status of the beast at the resolution of the tale?

Winner

[Anonymous No.14497418]

>>14497402
No longer a beast, and a prince to boot. Turns out being a prince is a better status than a beast. These threads aren't even worth commenting in because the participants are in too much pain to respond rationally.

[Anonymous No.14497441]

>>14495996
Here's what memerson himself has to say about that

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ER1LOarlgg

[Anonymous No.14497453]

>>14497360
not him but the other guy is right. you worship teen movie tropes. this is how bad it's gotten.

[Anonymous No.14497556]

>>14495996
The men of this generation have failed to rise to the challenge. This is to be expected, it's what usually happnes. All of this discussion is post-hoc rationalization.
We should have stayed unionized
We should have protested and fought the government harder
We should have listened to the scientists
We should have shown up for our lives more
We should have worked harder for each other
We should have been more self sacrificing and morally ambitious

But we didn't, so it's fucked for the forseeable future. No retakes on this test. Live with the consequences.

[Anonymous No.14497593]

>>14495996
I think it's in large part because of the breaking down of economic incentives to work while escapism has become almost free and infinitely available..

Everything around you is now already owned and out of reach for most, and the climb is too steep for the economy to work for the average man in the face of globalism, which makes it so you have to compete against the entire world.

I don't believe the flimsy argument that it's all because of liberal agenda, rise of leftwing ideologies... I think those are misguided political trends in response to the economic breakdown, not because of it, and if I had to apply a conspiratorial view, I'd say the rise in the identity/gender focus of the left is manufactured to distract from the left's original focus of making the economy work for the workers and average man to something that's more like a flawed theory of privileged through the lens of a young, bourgeois child's perspective.

[Anonymous No.14497629]

>>14497277
>Durr if you keep thinking of homosexuals as a plague then how will we ever deem it a good thing to be a faggot?

[Anonymous No.14497638]

>>14496451
As a child of single mother, when Peterson describes the Oedipal mother, it's scary how true it is. Every bit of it.

I still think he's sullied his own message by diluting it with appeal to mainstream politics and ended up as another conservative mouthpiece along the likes of Shapiro.. Basically becoming a parody of himself.

[Anonymous No.14497669]

>>14497556
>We should have listened to the scientists

[Anonymous No.14497682]

What causes the mentality of pic related?

[Anonymous No.14497737]

>>14497682
Coddling

[Anonymous No.14497754]

Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14497770]

>>14497737
Expand

[Anonymous No.14497777]

>>14496088
>now

Learn history then come back.

[Anonymous No.14497781]

>>14497770
>buu huu why don't thots treat me like mommy???

[Anonymous No.14497788]

>>14496888
real men make their own deals

[Anonymous No.14497793]

>>14497781
Curiously reductive and immature.

[Anonymous No.14497795]

>>14496505
>paying for anyone other than your child for university
>thinking that women feel indebted and stay with you because you gave up your resources to go to school
the dude is retarded and shouldn't of gave her shit

[Anonymous No.14497809]

>>14496809
Explain how wearing make-up as a man is degenerate or homosexual. You realise clothes and products don't have gender assignments, right? You realise men in the past wore make-up, correct? Actors you most definitely think of as many because of the way they are portrayed wear make-up.

What, specifically, is your problem here beyond that it's abnormal to you? How does it affect you? How do you affect it? What does it ultimately change that would be a problem? Do you have problems with costumes?

[Anonymous No.14497813]

>>14497793
all polfags are

[Anonymous No.14497823]

>>14496055
stop making excuses for being a virgin

[Anonymous No.14497827]

>>14496505
>outside my class

But they're both proles?

[Anonymous No.14497891]

>>14497813
I think you're confused

[Anonymous No.14497906]

>>14497277
desu you can say goodbye to half of the potential women if you tell them that you are bisexual

[Anonymous No.14497943]

Less social interaction and less involved parenting. I had no idea how to do basic things.

[Anonymous No.14497955]

what does sex feel like

[Anonymous No.14497957]

>>14497891
Because I don't mindlessly swallow your dishonest infographics and vapid opinions?

[Anonymous No.14497962]

>>14497955
yes

[Anonymous No.14497964]

>>14497955
salty coins and milk

[Anonymous No.14497969]

>>14497957
No because you're like a beaten dog yelping at every post, seeing /pol/ in every shadow.

[Anonymous No.14497975]

>>14497969
lol you must be confused, little one, you're the poltard

[Anonymous No.14497997]

>>14497955
Wet and warm.

[Anonymous No.14498002]

>>14497975
How did you get to this state of paranoia? How long do you spend on here?

[Anonymous No.14498010]

>>14498002
Try not posting cringe next time ;)

[Anonymous No.14498073]

i think parents not talking to their children has something to do with it. making sure they're fed and clothed, but not actually nurturing their interests or trying to inculcate with them any values, creating an unbalanced personality with a very weak sense of self. basically they efface themselves as people and end up undeveloped husks

[Anonymous No.14498120]

>>14498073
children are being raised by the Internet. My uncle from my mom's side has 3 kids and he literally just gives them an iPad/iPhone and doesn't pay attention to what they're seeing on Youtube, and I saw them looking at some pretty Elsagate-ish videos on there. The effort against helicopter parenting swung so hard to the other side that parents are so lazy that they just let a screen educate their children

[Anonymous No.14498133]

>>14498120
>anecdotal evidence

[Anonymous No.14498226]

>>14498010
>c-cringe lol
weak, anon.

[Anonymous No.14498235]

>>14498133
Im certain there are millions of similar examples. Im not that anon and I know of many kids in similar conditions die to my working in education. I can even think of my own childhood. My parents tried a little harder than this and so it’s not quite the same but the amount of time i was left unsupervised watching tv or on the computer has had an obviohs effect on who I am today, which is not who I want to be.

[Anonymous No.14498252]

>>14498235
You're really bad at this. Back your claims up with data not conjecture.

[Anonymous No.14498279]

>>14497356
An incel is just his idealised Chad but without successful enactment. He doesn't understand. He's a fucking retarded animal. Don't bother.

[Anonymous No.14498306]

>>14497809
>explain how engaging in behavior designated to identify yourself as female or feminine is degrading and unmasculine
Oh geez, it’s like someone is completely retarded in knowing what behavior is and how it works.

[Anonymous No.14498340]

>>14498252

No. Because this isn’t something that has a data on it. How would this data look like? You think parents will out themselves as being negligent? Or should we get self-reports from 4 year olds? This is a modern phenomenon with little if any literature. We can still have a rational discussion on the subject without the empirical data and form an approach to its study that may one day yield such data.

[Anonymous No.14498359]

>>14496527
There are causes to effects. You know this right?

[Anonymous No.14498378]

>>14496030
>It's da joos
cringe.

[Anonymous No.14498390]

>>14496629
humans are teleological nigga

[Anonymous No.14498397]

>>14496239
Wash yer penis

[Anonymous No.14498406]

>>14495996
Video games.

[Anonymous No.14498427]

>>14498340
he just wants labcoats to do his thinking for him, i think

[Anonymous No.14498453]

>>14498390
And so am I retard

[Anonymous No.14498485]

>>14498453
I'm not him.
If you worship Chads you don't even know what teleological is.

[Anonymous No.14498491]

Economic progress is a significant contributing cause to the relaxation of masculine norms. The social conditions which favored traditional masculinity no longer prevail. If we look back to a time where the masculine principle was unquestioned and fully expressed, say the classical Roman era, what we see is a world built and maintained by force. The only way to achieve prosperity was through conquest and the assertion of empire through the domination of lesser peoples.
As the means of economic prosperity increased and diversified, and as a basic level of material abundance and comfort became the norm, this brutal aspect of masculinity and its underlying hormonal correlates dropped off. Literally, testosterone levels have dropped. The economy shifted toward cognitive labor, managerial organization or manipulation of figures and abstractions. Accordingly the dominance imperative became less operative.

Without the need to forcefully wrest one's living from the earth or from the clutches of another, there is less need for the traditional masculine principle. It's a casualty of abundance.

It's not gone but it is less prevalent. The claim that we are entering a countervailing feminine period (heh) is dependent on women to pick up the slack and establish a world-system based on their principle. The onus is on them to do so, and if they are unable, it will continue to be a man's world. Competition however is the premise which activates the masculine principle, and to the extent that women demand equality, they will provoke it, and assure then their own secondary role, if being treated equal means being treated like a man.

[Anonymous No.14498575]

>>14498306
Masculinity is a spook and a mercurial one at that.

>>14498340
>anecdotes

Yawn. Peddle your bullshit elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.14498581]

>>14498406
this is without a doubt one of the biggest reasons, along with shit or no father figures

[Anonymous No.14498588]

>>14498575
>masculinity is a spook
>yawn
the estrogen in this post kek

[Anonymous No.14498610]

>>14498575
Feminity and homosexuality are spooks

[Anonymous No.14498662]

>>14497955
Depends. It's not like porn at all. It's also something that you need to connect with a person to enjoy.

[Anonymous No.14498696]

>>14496587
>Such women derive from this a vicarious pleasure which they prefer to the specific pleasure obtained from real sexual experience.

I'm a man and I think this way too. I seem to be more interested in knowing I can fuck than the act itself, which is kind of overrated tbqh

[Anonymous No.14498724]

>>14496030
back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.14498733]

>>14496043
>>14498378
it's amusing how you can insult any ethnicity on 4chan, anglos, frogs, germans, whatever, and it's considered bants or even legitimate criticisms of the people

but god forbid you do that with jews. not the heckin semites

[Anonymous No.14498735]

>>14498378
>DA JOOS

this is the single most tourist thing tourists do

[Anonymous No.14498739]

>>14498724
Disliking kikes is normal on 4chan in general, not just on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.14498746]

>>14498733
I think it cuts both ways, people who base their entire worldview on anti-semitism are dumb but people who fail to see how anti-semitism is disproportionately elevated above other bigotries in media discourse because frankly Jews have a controlling stake in media and business. The Jews aren't especially evil or conniving, it's just that their inbreeding gives them high IQs which leads to success and neuroticism which leads to the persecution complex.

[Anonymous No.14498795]

>>14498733
>be /pol/tard
>get bored of /pol/
>go ruin other boards with anti-intellectual off-topic bullshit
>waaah people are protecting the jews waaah

I don't give a fuck about jews, niggers or gooks. What I hate are retards like yourself who derail entire threads where people are trying to discuss real social issues.

[Anonymous No.14498798]

>>14498746
>Jews aren't especially evil or conniving
>gives them high IQs which leads to success

[Anonymous No.14498802]

>>14498746
Also, considering j*ws are 2% of the population Whites still outnumber them at all IQ levels 7:1.

[Anonymous No.14498890]

I’ll give it a read. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.14498910]

>>14498795
People post just as much on /lit/ about anglos as about jews, probably more actually. there are constant memes about anglos, and yet there is no automatic 5 responses going 'DA ANGLOOS'

you have selective blindness about this

[Anonymous No.14498933]

>>14498588
The retard in this post.

>>14498610
Yes.

>>14498910
Because complaining about the Jews is more prevalent and conspiratorial. When was the last time someone on /pol/ or here mentioned Churchill's genocide of Indians? Or, if they did, did not spin it in a positive light because they're edgy suburbanites burgoids?

[Anonymous No.14498958]

>>14498933
>burgoids
there's another one that's just as popular, the burger. admit you just can't stand any criticisms of this one ethnicity and you can't even formulate why except some vague 'all badthink about jew=hitler'

literally every ethnicity gets shit on on this site

[Anonymous No.14499005]

>>14497955
Bags of sand

[Anonymous No.14499045]

>>14498933
Okay, since everything is a spook, I deem what is and isn’t conducive towards a healthy society, and encouraging boys to dress and identify as females and vice versa is inherently not conducive. Faggots are the epitome of disease and being backwards. Same with transsexuals and anything against what is against Tradition which has prevailed since the leaving of antiquity.

[Anonymous No.14499048]

>>14498933
>Because complaining about the Jews is more prevalent and conspiratorial
Muh “you’re unfairly targeting us” argument

[Anonymous No.14499064]

>>14497955
You already know, well enough for there to be a longing, it’s why you’re in agony, you understand you’re removed from something innately human.

[Anonymous No.14499101]

>>14499048
>This absolutely retarded infograph
>https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/income-distribution/by/religious-tradition/
> 44% of Jews have a household income of $100,000 or above
>$100,000 is not top 1%, it is the top 25%

Hate Jews for whatever reason, but don't manufacture lies to do so

[Anonymous No.14499108]

>>14496030
There's no reason that the majority of men are experiencing any trouble. The people discussing what's wrong with society are those who are confined to the demographic of people who aren't doing well in society, and think that must be a symptom of society. Normal men are simply outside their scope of understanding.

[Anonymous No.14499114]

>>14496358
There is no problem. People are the same as they've always been, your concepts of degenerates and incels are exaggerated representations of irrelevant minorities. If you go outside for once you'll find a bunch of regularly functioning people, and no verification for your armchair worldview

[Anonymous No.14499145]

>>14498910
>People post just as much on /lit/ about anglos as about jews, probably more actually. there are constant memes about anglos, and yet there is no automatic 5 responses going 'DA ANGLOOS'

it's literally a handful of French Canadians

[Anonymous No.14499246]

>>14495996
Pampered by their parents and the stable country, the men of this generation have it all, except challenges to make them grow

[Anonymous No.14499842]

>>14496030
>The prevailing liberal dogma that everything can be solved with further hedonism, further leisure and leisure time to jack off to porn and play video games until you're 50 with no family because women are all whores now, not only doesn't retard this process, it aggravates and accelerates it. Apparently working in a cubicle every day so you can go home and jerk off isn't the most fulfilling way to end all of human history.

Neoliberalism isn't strictly jewish but he's not wrong

[Anonymous No.14500007]

>>14496734
All of these people are grotesque. The cuckold, the "man" cucking him, that weird commentator that shows up halfway through and talks about how something should "be a meme". I'm glad I live in my head. It's all so lame.

[Anonymous No.14500501]

>>14499114
This is shortsighted and ahistorical. There has been a significant increase in antisocial behaviour

[Anonymous No.14500507]

>>14498485
>admiring strength and beauty means you don't know the definition of a basic philosophical concept
Real big brainlet over here

[Anonymous No.14500569]

>>14496030
This is true. Pointing out that it's mainly jews driving this degenaration of society is not >da joss.
I'd like to add, the increasing amount of immigration and mass demographic change in most western countries also a massive problem by ripping communities apart by introducing vast amounts of low-skilled workers (especially in cities and agricultural communities). In consequence, these immigrants adopting low-wage work are causing mass amounts of damage and chaos in the societies they come into. If you want to contest this point, let me ask you something: Would Sweden, USA, Belgium, France, UK, Germany, Norway, Canada and the Netherlands be a more or less socially cohesive nation with less chaos on thw streets with less immigration? (primarily from non-whute countries)
This immigration is changing the fabric of our countries, the nation, and fuelling the further destruction of mens' spirit.

[Anonymous No.14500582]

>>14496104
Guy, all that is already happening.

[Anonymous No.14500637]

>>14497038
i always think its interesting incels' fascination with only knowing women through catfishing them as chad or like tinder profiles and assumptions or e-dating horror stories. not saying this describes you. but i feel like online dating attracts a certain kind of person, so if you only really know women through that it doesn't really describe them as a whole that well. but regarding your point, idk if i buy into it for another reason, which is: i forget the exact numbers but the majority of people dont use online dating, and on top of that the majority of people using online dating are men, not women. so hypothetically theres a ton of women out there who aren't in the situation you describe at all. but i guess the perception of things being that way could be greater than the reality.

[Anonymous No.14500657]

>>14500501
I don't disagree with that. It's easy to be antisocial, what with all the tools we have to occupy ourselves. And all sorts of things have increased and decreased, as things always will, the question is whether it's to a relevant degree or not. The general drift of humanity is still the same, and degenerates and incels are still an irrelevant - albeit interesting - minority.

[Anonymous No.14500778]

>>14495996
Who reads books? Normalfags don't. You can't say how men in general think judging by book sales, times have changed. Viral tweets and videos give you a better idea of what people in general think.
The internet and targeted content are dangerous in the sense that they allow the consumer to develop a filtered world view. Sitting in front of the screen, watching Peterson, Akkad and the like painting the image of a decayed society really makes you depressed.
The followers of these people are the minority, while the majority of men watch sports, like cars and play Call of Duty, living normal lives, ignorant of mostly anything beside their immediate surroundings. Of course the internet people wouldn't know, since they spend most of the day feeding their habit and brains with targeted content that aligns with their way of thinking.

[Anonymous No.14500788]

>>14500778
Peterson is selling more tickets than rockstars and rappers, and most of them are young men. To say that his following is limited to YouTube is just objectively wrong.

[Anonymous No.14500797]

>>14500637

[Anonymous No.14500803]

>>14500657

[Anonymous No.14500808]

>>14500797
>in 1940 the most common way to get a date was to hook up with a family member
That's wild.
It's also interesting to see that meeting cute girls in church was never a normal occurence, unlike what tradfags would have you believe.

[Anonymous No.14500811]

>>14500797

source for your unsourced picture?

[Anonymous No.14500812]

>>14500657
>The general drift of humanity is still the same, and degenerates and incels are still an irrelevant
These assertions that you have not provided any evidence or argument for.

[Anonymous No.14500814]

>>14500808
>never
>chart shows since 1940
You’re retard

[Anonymous No.14500822]

>>14496295
There is literally not a public space I can think of where it is ok for me to exist. I'm no pussy-slayer, but I'm not that fucking ugly either.

[Anonymous No.14500823]

>>14495996
there's no frontier

[Anonymous No.14500827]

>>14500814
Humanity didn't come into existence until 1939, when it bore out of the Earth, and we immeditely began slaughtering eachother. History as we know it is pure propaganda. Look into the """myth""" of Cadmus' foundation of Thebes if you want to get some real knowledge.

[Anonymous No.14500833]

>>14496545
You're relating a woman's perspective, and like, not her actual perspective. You're relating the argument she uses to try and moralize chad into impregnating her and raising her children.

[Anonymous No.14500835]

>>14500569
Most people assimilate by the second generation, especially here in the U.S so I really dont understand the bitching here and this argument in general. Even the kids who pretend to have [insert culture here] pride ultimately do so while brandishing their latest I phone, driving in their Chevy Malibu's, espousing individualism, and trying everything in their power to keep up with American trends or drink afternoon tea, or eat baguettes idk.
What is American culture to you?

[Anonymous No.14500841]

>>14498306
You know there are different types of hormones anon that do different thinks at different amounts.
One is unnecessary but is being used to companies to churn out even more profit with people getting uncontrolled doses against their will, the other one helps a person contemplating suicide at specific doses for them with their consent.
Why are conservatives the kings at making senseless comparisons and false equivalencies?

[Anonymous No.14500861]

>>14496636
Shityy argument. Homosexuality tolerance does not invalidate heterosexuality. That is just you and you fragile ego. On the contrary, you seem desperate in trying to invalidate their sexuality as inferior.
If Dan wants to suck dicks instead of fuck pussy what does that have to do with you? If you want to fuck pussy and not suck dick, what does that have to do with Dan. Absolutely nothing. Same thing with a guy who wants to wear make up and a dress and dudea who do not want to do h
That.
It's just you literally saying: "Stop liking what I dont like" for no logical reason except control and ego. Admit it.
Meanwhile, homosexuals/generally queer do nothing of the sort and just want to live their life.
I mean unless you're Christian which I suppose should bother you since the point is to convert everyone to acting more Christlike...still I think it's important to recognize that you can't convert everyone, even God gives us free will.
No need to moves to violence.

[Anonymous No.14500864]

>>14497593
>Everything around you is now already owned and out of reach for most, and the climb is too steep for the economy to work for the average man in the face of globalism, which makes it so you have to compete against the entire world.

Yep I'd say it's this. The global market does not need an uneducated white boy who asks for twice as much salary as a third worlder. So they become idle and all the masculinity issues ensue from there.

[Anonymous No.14500866]

>>14497593
>the rise in the identity/gender focus of the left is manufactured to distract from the left's original focus of making the economy work for the workers

I'm pretty sure identity politics comes out of Neoliberalism, which is just libertarianism after it went to HR training. You are correct about the distraction part though. The purpose of identity politics is to shift the focus away from workers rights, income inequality, corporate tax, anything practically relevent, etc. Borrowing marxist words for a minute, Identity Politics keep the proletariat divided into discrete groups based on ethnicity/gender/sexuality or whatever else, honestly. These groups are unable to act on their own or unionize unless provided with a central figure or idea to rally around. That's the main reason I'm suspicious of AOC. To me, she seems vaguely corporate, like she was artificially selected to be a central figure to all the disparate groups created by identity politics.

[Anonymous No.14500874]

>>14496809
No, that's fragile masculinity.
It's not our faults that everything is " no homo" for you guys.
You're the ones who make a big deal about being touchy feely or being anything less then stoic and austere as a man. Hell, we literally had a thread about how it's "unmanly" for men to smile and be super enthusiastic all the time.
Everything is unmanly to you guys and some type of balancing act to to be just stern and stoic enough. No one is foring this upon you but yourselves and your own rigid definition of masculinity.

[Anonymous No.14500881]

>>14500864
>So they become idle and all the masculinity issues ensue from there.
It's not just that, you can go watch pretty much anything produced by netflix and find the narrative outright attacking white male masculinity. I wish it were just laziness, but honestly there is shady shit going on wrt socioeconomics.

[Anonymous No.14500884]

>>14499045
How does one deem what is conducive and what is not though? It seems pretty arbitrary and just something you pulled from your ass.
All this seems to be is an common bout of: "stop liking what I don't like!"

[Anonymous No.14500893]

>>14499246
This, except
Both genders have the problem though. Living in a stable environment with less hardships and more leisure makes you soft. There is no going around it. It comes with the territory of advancements in civilization.
It's either live in a society in /near the wilderness to assume all it's challenges or live in a coddling society with all it's benefits such as long life and convenience. There is no middle ground.
You can't have both. Take it or leave it.

[Anonymous No.14500898]

One thing I don't get is why women are allowed to have preference, but Men aren't. Men getting angry at women rejecting them are called Incels, that's fine. But why are Men who reject promiscuous women or women who hide their past called Misogynist? Clearly when look from a Neutral POV, Men are being treated badly for no reason.

[Anonymous No.14500906]

>>14497809
This is the classic "write me a 15 page essay or accept my bullshit" argument the midwit left is infamous for.

[Anonymous No.14500909]

>>14500803
Why do people assume it's young men driving it though
Both sexes seem less interested in sex and sex had declined (as well as STDs btw). People just find more ways to preoccupy themselves these says what with technology and social media.
They are less outwardly social, even the most popular kids constantly have a ees screen in their faces when they are out in public, refusing to talk to people.
There is nothing else to do but burn electronics or try to implement some forced government program where parents are obligated or at least encouraged (to make this less authoritarian) to limit the amount of screen time their kids get in a day.

[Anonymous No.14500929]

>>14500898
No, it's just the reasons of promiscuity is gender specific and discriminatory.
Incels are looked down for the same reason a girl can be looked down upon, being awkward, autistic, ugly, and weird. It's generally gendervneutral, but the condition itself just so happens to be more common in men for reason...or at least that is what people would have you believe. I actually dont know. There are plenty of socially awkward and anxious girls. Girls are less likely to be autistic though, even with aspergers (which is obviously worse then full Autism because you're functional enough for people to just assume you're weird and make fun of you).
Promiscuity as a reason for rejection specifically and actively targets women but completely disregards men.

[Anonymous No.14500935]

>>14500906
So, basically, you have to real argument vf other than "I say so" and "stop liking what I dont like?" you think you should be allowed to create social structures and doctrines with culture that everyone must adhere to without giving a good reason? I'm sorry, but that's just not going to happen anymore.

[Anonymous No.14500939]

>>14500935
>create social structures and doctrines with culture that everyone must adhere to without giving a good reason?

Literally the purpose of identity politics. Get a bunch of midwit retards to fabricate social structure and doctrine faster than it's possible to sift through. Meanwhile the neoliberals hand the country to their corporate benefactors. We'll be a third-world country within my lifetime.

[Anonymous No.14500946]

>>14500929
>Promiscuity as a reason for rejection specifically and actively targets women but completely disregards men
But that's because women don't reject promiscuous men, they actively seek them.

[Anonymous No.14500973]

>>14500835
I don't know if you're noticed but the assimilated immigrants aren't the problem. They're a needless nuisance (as immigrants drive up the cost of living and depreciate wage growth) but what is the problem is the block-voting self segregating ethnic ghettos in the West.

In the UK for example, moderate and Liberal minded Pakistanis 'become British', get a job as a wagecuck, have <1.8 kids, drink, sleep around e.c.t. The Pakitstanis in the UK who stay Pakistani live in self-imposed segregation in ghetto communities that have parallel cultures and even legal codes. They have >2.8 kids each, are strictly conservative in an Islamic sense, promote strict fidelity to the Pakistani diaspora and to Islam all the while living off the tit of the British tax payer. And they as a community vote for the party which panders to their parallel society the most.

In America, the most successfully reproducing communities are hard-line conservative Christians such as the Mormons and Amish, eventually the majority of Americans will be born in either of those two communities.

In Europe, it's hard-line conservative Muslims who most successfully reproduce whilst being funded to do so by the European taxpayer through the welfare state.

If this continues Europe won't reproduce Europe, it will only produce hard-line conservative Islam.

[Anonymous No.14500979]

>>14500939
>We'll be a third-world country within my lifetime.

America is already a third world country by your retard definitions gamburger

[Anonymous No.14500983]

>>14500979
Go home

[Anonymous No.14501019]

Gf of 4 years is liking other males instagram and when we fighted she chatted a guy up on IG, nothing sexual but flirty i guess. I'm cucked right? She was wholesome the past 4 years.

[Anonymous No.14501022]

>>14501019
Impregnate her.

[Anonymous No.14501031]

>>14501022
why?

[Anonymous No.14501040]

>>14501022
I'm ruthless mate, i lift x7 times a week eat clean since 2017 no days off, i work like a maniac and i'm obsessed with making money, maybe all this shit is drawing her away from me, but i think she is cucking me? Why would she like other males pics? Maybe because of status? Cause i'm sure they are not as lean and chad as me that's guaranteed. Is is hypergamy? Women are driving me insane, i always loved her and i still do but i will die with the regret of not cheating on her all those years and now that i'm an oldfag i will never have the same chance again with 20yo cuties. I'm 28 btw

[Anonymous No.14501048]

>>14501040
>>14501031
Knock a bitch up and her SMV drops and she gains a permanent dependence to you.

She will pick up on other men losing interest in her. Being a mother will also shift her focus somewhat, she will be concerned with how to maintain her child's well-being which may include keeping you around.

[Anonymous No.14501051]

>>14495996
First world war

[Anonymous No.14501054]

>>14501022
That's terrible advice. He'll be attached to a woman who has lost interest in him for the rest of his life. Everyone will be miserable, including the kid.

[Anonymous No.14501060]

>>14501054
>attached to a woman who has lost interest in him
But did she? We still fuck regulary, nothing has changed in the daily routine, she still cooks for me etc etc

[Anonymous No.14501061]

>>14501054
True, but didn't he ask how to retain his relationship with her?

[Anonymous No.14501071]

>>14501040
>"all those years"

Wtf are you talking about dude? You been with her for four years. That's a drop in the bucket. Just dump the bitch before she cheats on you, because she WILL cheat on you.

[Anonymous No.14501076]

>>14501060
If you guys were fucking every day like a new couple she wouldn't be chatting up dudes on the internet.

[Anonymous No.14501077]

>>14501060
If you're 28 you should seriously consider parenthood anyway. She may feel that the relationship has become stagnate and she may be looking at other guys in an unconscious attempt to establish a contingency plan in case her current relationship with you deteriorates or fails to progress. I only have a vague idea of your circumstances so I can only give general advice.

[Anonymous No.14501079]

>>14495996
>Any books which document this?
Mein kampf.
Its all the result of jewish plot to destroy the west and white people

[Anonymous No.14501081]

>>14500637
>i forget the exact numbers but the majority of people dont use online dating
Majority of people, or majority of people within a certain age group? Either way society is so dense now that women have a lot more access to men they want to chase after.

[Anonymous No.14501095]

>>14501076
She said she did it because i made her feel like garbage, we fighted that night because she went for coffee with her friend and two other guys that were in her law school class, i got mad and i left the keys in her aparment and she though i left for good and that's why she chatted up another guy because she thought it was over. She said i never understood her and the only thing she wanted is to be loved by me and accepted as she is. Ngl she was always devoted for me and always put me first and herself second. I don't know where it went wrong but the thought of losing her drives me insane.

[Anonymous No.14501101]

>>14501077
I've been with married woman who is only with her husband because of their kid. If your woman is semi-attractive and unhappy there will always be a few guys like me that will look past the kid and the wedding ring and give her her a taste of the single life that she wants so bad.

[Anonymous No.14501102]

>>14501095
she also said the followers she had on ig had them in the first years aswell when we dated and i didn't complain back then and that i got jealous and insecure as of late. Her being smarter doesn't really help my situation. I don't want you to feel pity for me, but since i can't think rationally atm, what is the best call for me? My instinct says to stay with her. I'm missing the bigger pic

[Anonymous No.14501105]

>>14501102
>>14501095
Dude, it's already over. 100% chance she is already fucking another guy or well into sending him nudes.

[Anonymous No.14501108]

>>14501101
True enough. But her having a stagnate relationship might be the cause of her unhappiness. If the relationship progressed she might just show some fidelity.

[Anonymous No.14501129]

>>14497955
You know that burning desire that you feel sometime? It bubbles up and fills your entire body and in the moment you know there is only one thing that you want and only one thing that you need - her. Sex feels like sating an insatiable desire. It is spiritual. It is the union of two souls. So save it for someone who deserves that union and for someone who deserves you. Because I know you are a good person doing your best. Like the rest of us you are just confused and angry that purity gets you nowhere in a world of fleeting pleasure and pedophilia.

[Anonymous No.14501134]

>>14501102
I think you should move on. Girls tend to grieve for a relarionship while it's falling apart, and they know the relationship is over weeks, or even months before a breakup. That's why it seems like guys have a harder time healing after a long term relationship is over. If she's interested in other guys she will definitely find one, and it will break your heart. Get out of that relationship before it turns into a real disaster.

Btw, 28 is still young. I had little flings with two 18 year olds when I was in my late 20s/early 30s. If you're in good shape, you're confident and charming, you can easily date women younger than you. A lot of younger chicks are tired of messing around with little boys.

[Anonymous No.14501138]

>>14501040
It's been 4 years, She feels that she has you (i always loved her and i still do/the thought of losing her drives me insane) and it's becoming boring for her, it sucks but sort of understandable. The natural way of thing is having kids as everyone said. Or just start showing your teeth more/giving less fucks.
Shit sucks but it's the current times, not your fault. Heil the sexual revolution.

[Anonymous No.14501167]

>>14501105
>>14501134
So i fucked up? No other way of saving this relationship? Im i bluepilled by her smiles and presents? Why is she still with me? Damn im so weak atm i dont know if i can take it..

>>14501138
I always had dread game on me and always showed teeth, bitches aint shit..

[Anonymous No.14501171]

>>14501167
>Why is she still with me?
Women will stay with a dude until the day she moves in with the new guy.

[Anonymous No.14501186]

MONKEY BRANCHING

[Anonymous No.14501192]

>>14501186
>>14501171
Ok is there any questions i should ask her without appearing like a beta cuck? I want to keep diginity but i want to ask her what is going on. She will bait me right? I want honest answers so i can move on, you guys are guessing about what is going on but it's hard without being there.

[Anonymous No.14501208]

>>14501192
Honestly it hurts my head seeing stuff like this. Why do people not just communicate with their partners? You must know her pretty well if you have been together that long. Sit her down and tell her you need to talk about everything that is going on. If she says that nothing is going on then tell her your perception of the situation and that you want assurance things are doing just fine. There is nothing wrong with protecting your interests and telling her you know she went into DMs the second you fought. If she takes that kind of thing badly she does not trust you at all which is a bad sign. If she apologised then you have to take her word that she wants you and wants to work things out.
Also >>>/adv/

[Anonymous No.14501210]

When the world needed him the most he had already been dead 117 years.

[Anonymous No.14501228]

>>14496055
its the other way around, too anon, considering pornography also creates unrealistic expectations when it comes to women

[Anonymous No.14501233]

>>14501192
punch her in the gut like a true alpha

[Anonymous No.14501285]

>>14501167
If you're the Chad you claim to be it shouldn't be a problem for you to find a girl or two that will distract you from the grief of a relationship that fell apart. If all else fails, Tinder can be a good way to take your mind off things (just know that you won't find any wholesome women on Tinder).

This girl went into some dude's DMs the minute she thought you guys were over. How are you not seeing that this isn't going to be the mother of your children? You need to find a good woman that doesn't flirt with men on social media, until that happens have fun getting your dick wet. That's my take on your situation.

[Anonymous No.14501428]

>>14496505
Fake and gay
>>14496545
Stupid
>>14496546
Stupid
>>14496561
>I’d like to fight giants just like the real knights do
>>14496566
Signed,
I.M. Adumbfuck
>>14496574
Counter signed,
John P. Retard
>>14496587
Fake and gay
>>14496592
>true
>kinda true
>a little pregnant
>fuckwit
>>14496609
Learn to spell before you accuse people of degeneracy, you fucking idiot.
>>14496636
Didn’t finish high school
>>14496716
>irrational animal
Ok, fucktard
>>14496750
Retarded
>>14496771
Tautology
>>14496782
Fake and gay
>>14496785
Slave morality. Also retarded
>>14496809
This post written by: A. Fukinghafwit
>>14496922
And if I were a millionaire, I’d have a million dollars

[Anonymous No.14501434]

>>14501285
You suffer from neurasthenia

[Anonymous No.14501736]

>>14501040
>Not realizing that male SMV peaks in your 30s and 40s

We are all gonna make it, man.

I'm in a great relationship now but I realize more and more which each passing day that my idealization of a "partner for life" is just that - an ideal that does not exist in today's society. Things have moved beyond the pale, and one needs to accept that a life of more traditional values, while possible, is simply not on the mind of most women, who have been brainwashed since birth.

More broadly, beyond the scope of romantic relationships, we have become increasingly atomized to the point that any sort of transcendental societal bond/ritual (such as marriage) is now out of the question.

Much short of that, we (assuming you are in USA) can no longer even agree on the fundamental values that we have as a society. Negative conception of liberty, precipitated upon mutual respect, has been replaced by the positive conception, which is focused on the cult of egalitarianism. The closest thing we have to religious experience is either the latest capeshit film. Religious revelation has been replaced with sexual revelation, wherein the ostensibly courageous among us can chop off their dick in pursuit of their true degenerate self.

The answer, given in the form of the way I aim to live my life, is to simply go do aesthetic things and accept that life merely is. All this stuff doesn't make things any less interesting. It just doesn't conform to thoughts of how the world 'ought' to be. Be loving, by all means, but understand that reciprocation is not necessarily on the table. The female's conception of love is not the same as yours, it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.14501749]

>>14501019
She's not your girl, it's just your turn. Move on, king.

[Anonymous No.14501775]

>>14500909
Young men have less sex, but you are right that it is not them that drive it. It's the necessary result of hypergamy in a world of casual relations. Every woman feels that there is no point in settling for less than what they can possibly get.

I've never considered the problem to be principally technological, but I guess it is partly, in so far that it created a larger playing field, and thus, a lesser incentive to settle.

[Anonymous No.14501780]

>>14501736
>I'm in a great relationship now but I realize more and more which each passing day that my idealization of a "partner for life" is just that - an ideal that does not exist in today's society.

Then why are you in a relationship in the first place? I understand the need for a female partner who shows great traits, but are you doing it until your SMV skyrockets? How old are you? You seem to understand female hypergamy, i was also with the mindset that i will just enjoy the ride no matter how bad things seems to be but now i have had a backlash. Why? Because i fail to control myself that the end is nigh. She already DM'ed another dude,logical from hypergamy pov? Yes. Logical from my pov of 'great relationship' 3 months ago? No.

The problem is that even though i'm more of a chad in look than her. (im a chad lite desu) She will always have easier time finding a dick. Me on the otherside? Not as easy.

I hope my SMV peaks in matter of mindset and start giving no fucks because i'm getting out of control and i do stupid shit. The good thing she is graduating in 2 months and she will leave for her country.

>It just doesn't conform to thoughts of how the world 'ought' to be. Be loving, by all means, but understand that reciprocation is not necessarily on the table

I did that and here i am.

Also i don't want to fuck thots. I need meaningful relationships or else i will just go and pay for hoookers since i have money now.. I don't know.

[Anonymous No.14501799]

>>14501749
>She's not your girl, it's just your turn
Although in paper it seems like that, why the fuck is she still buying me clothes and presents, and food for my nutrition everyday? She still cries, laughs for me. Is this a kind of manipulation? When my eyes see those actions i cease to believe her words but only her moves. I'm i being manipulated?

[Anonymous No.14501831]

>>14501799
I recommend reading The Rational Male. You can torrent the book which is just a compilation of the top posts on the blog, or read the blog directly.

I also recommend skimming posts in r/marriedredpill (yeah, yeah, I know), for some exposure to alternative ways of framing/perceiving your situation, but I warn you that a lot of the people in there are LARPers. The theory is sound, though.

The TLDR is that only you can set your own standards for how you want to be treated, and what sort of relationship you want. You do this by leading, not by negotiating.

Lastly, all of this shit I considered beneath my consideration until the last year or so. So I understand any skepticism towards it. I remain skeptical of large swaths of the 'theory'. But I treat it like anything else, another way of seeing things.

[Anonymous No.14501840]

>>14501831
>I recommend reading The Rational Male.
I have the book but haven't read it yet, only a glimpse through 'iron rules' section and they seem like theredpill sidebar desu but yes good information.

>The TLDR is that only you can set your own standards for how you want to be treated, and what sort of relationship you want.

Truth

[Anonymous No.14501924]

Jbp advice
>get married
>have kids
>be a good dad

[Anonymous No.14501938]

>>14501780
Yeah, I know man. Thots suck.

It's funny, all a man really wants is someone to lead and provide for. Someone who is there by their side, sexually available, and pleasant to be around. If one is lucky, one that is also eager to help with things domestically.

Many women, intellectually, find this repulsive. However, most signs point that they desire this deep down, unconsciously. Hypergamy reveals a truth: they want someone better than themselves, to help lead their life.

The revelation of "red pill" is that it doesn't just apply to casual sex and hookup culture (of which I, too, have zero interest in), but also to long term relationships. One must cultivate abundance and appearance and sense-of-self and go forth into the world as an uncompromising forward vector of vision and integrity.

This being done, all one can do is set their standards, what they will put up with, and continue to live life. There are women out there that are submissive, some even that actually understand and accept what they truly want. There are those that are lost, who will go from man to man until they are in their late 30s and realize that their chances of finding someone who meets their standards to have kids with have gone to zero. All you can do is look for those that fit your criteria. Some will be those counted among the lost. You cannot save them from themselves.

[Anonymous No.14501986]

>>14501780
>Then why are you in a relationship in the first place?
Forgot to answer this. I found one of those rare ones that is low-maintenance and submissive. She understands what I expect and I treat her well. I love her and all of that, but I understand that the love back is conditional, and different than the male conception of romantic love.

I understand that things can change, that people change, and so I try to continually improve myself and pursue goals that are external to the relationship. But more importantly, I realize that relationship-induced-complacency is the one thing that women find the least attractive, that leads to relationship decay. When you compromise on your goals and vision and values, for her sake, you are not only hurting yourself, but the relationship as well. This was the hardest thing to get my head around. It boils down to this: nobody, women especially, wants a pushover.

Women don't want sociopaths, sociopaths just happen to be uncompromising in their confidence and vision. It is confidence and vision that women want.

[Anonymous No.14502063]

>>14498795
how did they derail a thread that hadnt even started? Aren't you derailing?

[Anonymous No.14502160]

>>14496088
very humbertpilled, and dare I say based?

[Anonymous No.14502174]

>>14501924
based

[Anonymous No.14502182]

>>14498696
femboy

[Anonymous No.14502281]

>>14496999
Ballroom, and especially dancesport, has become filled with faggots and degens who have ruined the group culture. Ironically, I've seen lots of them think that the culture and practices in ballroom have gotten unlikable, but they can't figure out why and themselves continue to worsen the issue. Dance was better when people actually considered it to be intimate and serious. Teaching the plebs to dance was worse even than teaching them to read. Ghastly error.

piano or paint, either is better.

[Anonymous No.14502303]

>>14497809
Make up is used to artificially make one prettier, primarily by covering up ageing and blemishes. That is inherently more relevant to women as prettiness is their most important asset.

[Anonymous No.14502305]

>masculinity crisis

[Anonymous No.14502306]

>>14497955
overrated. People who think it is the finest pleasure in life only think so because they have few others.

[Anonymous No.14502323]

>>14502305
>pretending you can ignore spooks
>still using something as spooky as money

[Anonymous No.14502333]

>>14500823
The next frontier is turning the former frontier back into frontier

[Anonymous No.14502337]

>>14497955
most women have loose pussies to be perfectly honest senpai, a lot of guys have to finish by jerking off in the girl's mouth

women also can't give head worth a damn mostly

[Anonymous No.14502347]

>>14501019
hit her, leave her, or preferably both.

[Anonymous No.14502359]

>>14496030

[Anonymous No.14502369]

>>14501167
>No other way of saving this relationship?
maybe. Without coming across like a sad sap or loser, calmly explain your thoughts on this situation to her and see what her reaction is. thats the best i've got.
>Why is she still with me?
if she really doesn't care anymore? convenience.

[Anonymous No.14502378]

>>14501228
The average porn whore isn't that attractive. They would be in more respectable modelling if they were. They are often only above average by virtue of not being fat.

[Anonymous No.14502417]

good, let’s just get rid of masculinity. it’s stupid. it basically railroads half of the worlds population into ticking a set of boxes to validate themselves
>don’t show emotion
>have to be competitive and aggressive
>have to have a family and be the breadwinner
sure that’s great for some people, but the fact is a lot of men fundamentally don’t fit into that category, but they will never realise their full potential because society has set these arbitrary restrictions on what you can be like. of course this is going to lead to mental health issues, people are forced to twist themselves and their personality to be accepted.

[Anonymous No.14502419]

>>14497682
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.14502444]

>>14498073
My dad will contend that he is an excellent parent as he payed for things. He is also the same person who took me out of every physical activity I was in the first time i got frustrated with them and complained rather than give encouragement and have me stick with it longer. He also blamed me when i broke down as a teenager and even stopped going to school etc. Thank you for reading this diary entry.

[Anonymous No.14502446]

>>14502417
forgot to talk about peterson, but he absolutely targets young men who have lost themselves. while i don’t have much of an issue with him, he definitely leans into the ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ type of self help advice a bit too much which isn’t always too helpful for this demographic, in fact it can make things worth by piling more expectations on them that they feel like they can’t meet, which is how they got there in the first place. people underestimate how difficult it can be to practice self discipline when you lack low self esteem, and i think the latter needs to be addressed before the former.

[Anonymous No.14502476]

>>14500808
you'll notice that the rate for church was in mid decline at the start of the data in 1940. It was higher before. Plus it would have blended with neighbour quite a bit, as that is who you went to church with, mostly.

[Anonymous No.14502484]

>>14502417
You get right on changing the human genome, bud. most men do fit into that. not being able to actualize it is why society is filled with miserable and antisocial men.

[Anonymous No.14502517]

>>14502484
>most
>not all
there’s the issue. also have you considered that the reason why they can’t actualise it is because its unrealistic for everyone? you’ve taken on a very black and white view for such a complicated issue.

[Anonymous No.14502532]

>>14496888
You do realise in a poly relationship a man can have multiple partners too, don't you? A poly situation in which one partner is silently resentful and doesn't communicate with the other is a bad poly relationship.

Frustrated incels who don't communicate because they think they're the joker and "you wouldn't get it" apply this lack of communication to other people, and thus this worldview is formed where "beta" men just silently take abuse at the hands of women and never fight back, because that's what the incels themselves are afraid of in terms of being in a relationship.

Maybe go outside and have sex, stop worshiping booktubers and start a steady exercise and diet regime. Maybe do some grooming and take a shower. Get to bed at a reasonable hour and take up meditation. Maybe therapy could be helpful too. Don't waste your youth, anon. Clean yourself up and stop resenting people for trying new things.

[Anonymous No.14502586]

Humans—man and woman—are born with a warped will and a dimmed intellectual as a consequence of the Fall. We can achieve very little on our own, and even the achievements of paganism were imperfect and tragic. The ordering empire of the Catholic Church provided a channel of divine grace through the sacraments to sanctify the societies over which it ruled. Over time, Liberalism—at its root a distrust of authority and an over-optimism in reason—eroded Her dominion and now we are suffering the consequences.

Women are doing just as badly as men. Because we’re all men on this board we don’t really notice that.

[Anonymous No.14502634]

>>14502532
Getting laid for women is thousands of times easier than getting laid as a man, so they usually end up one sided. Even Don Juan had to seduce ladies, while women can open their legs and someone will enter them. After I dumped my gf she literally fucked two different guys a week for months using tinder, and shes average looking on a good day. Women dont line up to fuck you unless you're gigachad

[Anonymous No.14502638]

>>14502586
the catholic church was doomed to fail as humankind progressed, as is the fate with most religions. we accepted it because life was awful and clinging to hope was the one thing we could do. now we aren’t at the threat of war, disease (as much) or crop failure etc. given peace and security humans end up much more introspective and critical, and for most people logical thought will lead to a rejection of the church, simply because it doesn’t really make sense. the only way catholicism is properly coming back is if something awful happens and our lives will constantly be at risk. i’d take the unavoidable mental anguish of living today over the awful uncertainty of the past.

[Anonymous No.14502642]

>>14502517
most did actualize it until relatively recently, suggesting an issue with society.

[Anonymous No.14502662]

>>14502634
Nobody said anything about women queuing up though. Going out and finding even one woman to sleep with isn't that difficult If you have this self-imposed thing where you don't go out and meet other people, you can't blame that on a partner. It's not the woman's fault if the guy is a shut-in who doesn't want to go out and find other people to fuck.

[Anonymous No.14502925]

>>14502662
Holy fuck you're obtuse. The foundation of a good relationship is equity, both partners feeling that they're getting as much from the other person as they give. So when relationships "open up" often the expectation is that both will be equally promiscuous, when usually the woman fucks an entire coach bus worth of dudes while the man gets some table scraps from a dive bar. Often women know this, and will connive their way into an open relationship so they can have their cake and eat it, and because promiscuity will always be easier for women the arrangement will basically always swing in their favor.

Are there anecdotes of women being on the short end of the stick? Sure, but it doesnt refute the existence of trends. Will you call me an incel, tell me to have sex, or use some other moralistic slur? Of course, but it doesnt strengthen your argument.

[Anonymous No.14503329]

>>14495996
Christianity was replaced with feminism.

[Anonymous No.14503339]

>>14502638
you are very out of touch with religion, and likely a pseud. don’t talk out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.14503360]

>>14502634
> I [divorced] my [wife]
Degenerate, if you divorced her instead of her divorcing you
>>14502925
> basis of relationship is equity
Heresy. Stop teaching for doctrine the commandments of men.

[Anonymous No.14503364]

>>14502532
>You do realise in a poly relationship a man can have multiple partners too, don't you?
RETARDED NIGGER ALERT

[Anonymous No.14503389]

>>14502586
The Church destroyed itself by
* teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. The Bible is the Bible. Nothing else is the Bible.
* teaching the false doctrine of salvation through works
* teaching the false doctrine of original sin as if Adam was good before he sinned
* teaching the false doctrine that Mary could have been without sin and even, hilariously, that she is co-redemptrix
* imposing celibacy where the Bible expressly imposes a requirement of marriage on bishops. This means priests are fags

[Anonymous No.14503399]

>>14503389
Based

[Anonymous No.14503460]

>>14502638
Your argument against the catholic church is the concept of refrigerators, LOL!

[Anonymous No.14503679]

>>14503389
>imposing celibacy where the Bible expressly imposes a requirement of marriage on bishops. This means priests are fags
It's to prevent priests from having descendants to pass property to

[Anonymous No.14503783]

>>14503389
> imposing celibacy where the Bible expressly imposes a requirement of marriage on bishops.

Huh, where?

[Anonymous No.14503865]

>>14503783
> 5. For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: 6. If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

>1. This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3. Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4. One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5. (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6. Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

[Anonymous No.14503891]

>>14497374
>>14497402
Based Lordi poster

[Anonymous No.14504361]

>>14495996
>Apparently working in a cubicle every day
So going home from your truck driving job
and fucking your stupid wife and poorly
raising your kids is?

[Anonymous No.14504456]

>>14503389
Fuck outta here with your "through faith alone" bullshit

[Anonymous No.14504591]

>>14496030
Did... did you just say the j word? Did you seriously just say that word. Oh my god HE SAID THE J WORD NOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAAA YOU CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT THAT AAAAAAAAAA NOT THE HECKIN KIKERINOS BEN SHAPIRO HELP ME

[Anonymous No.14504631]

>>14498795
This is an A+ JIDF post.

[Anonymous No.14504741]

>>14504456
> 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast.

> But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

> And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

> if we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

[Anonymous No.14504772]

>>14496055
this is why porn needs to be banned. it would legitimately solve a lot of our problems

nice dubs btw

[Anonymous No.14504832]

>>14504456
ps.
> If ye love me, keep my commandments.

> Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

> Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

> I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

[Anonymous No.14504929]

>>14496629
you miss the whole point if achievement to you is fucking women for the sake of it, which has been established as meaningless long ago. you are so much less than man

[Anonymous No.14505181]

>>14496030
Not a horrible take, J WORD and all. Really you could just fill in the blank here.
>>14499108
This is a cute hypothesis until you talk to enough 16-26 year old males. Just empirically wrong to not note that greater society really is taking a shit (though this isn't to say normal men who aren't involved in this 'counter hedonistic-collapse cultural' mind set don't exist, obviously).

[Anonymous No.14505289]

>>14496030
Good post

[Anonymous No.14505601]

>>14502337
this is, sadly, true

[Anonymous No.14505631]

>>14496734
porno for this feel?

[Anonymous No.14505716]

>>14496505
Do you have the original text or more like it?

[Anonymous No.14505823]

>>14496030
This is true. Globohomo Globalism and money run the world now. They can't have cohesive, healthy, citizens of nation-states. Materialism has become purpose and meaning for the 80% NPCs. Leftism is the religion the elite need everyone to accept in order to atomize and homogenize them. Tolerance is the highest virtue. Self defense, in any abstraction, is look down upon- insanity! Those most domesticated suffer the least. The West was so successful and the margin for survivability become so huge that horrific anti nature and anti science ideologue grew and flourished out of control. It then became religion that you can't speak out about. A very small percent of males couldn't swallow the lies. Some like you said broke. Others disengage and drop out. Some fill with anger. Others die deaths of despair. A few will go out as "monsters". Some, I suppose, I hope, will start the next revolution, if not then all will be lost and the planet will become one giant Brazil ruled by an inbred psychopathic elite.

[Anonymous No.14506426]

>>14496636
Easily the dumbest post in an already dumb thread. There are legitimately men's issues, but no one talks about them because they're too busy vomiting bullshit about how men need "Spirit" or some other nonsense. This is just more essentialism feeding the same fire that's burning you.

>Essentially, men can no longer be men without fear of being labeled as something backwards to their natural form
Bruh your sex is the one with an organ that lets you stick it in literally any arbitrary hole and get pleasure out of it. Naturally, that's what you do. The unnatural part is all this about marriage and monogamy, those are economic inventions that serve specific and sometimes even useful purposes. Whether they're still useful is up for debate-- They seem to be losing the battle under current conditions.

>>14496809
This is so paranoid it's unreal. Do you live like this?

[Anonymous No.14506441]

>>14498491
This is true. The path forwards for men is to recognize that sex differences no longer make them super special snowflakes as automation continues to move forward.

[Anonymous No.14506459]

>>14497955
Somewhere between the happiest (or at least most exciting) thing you can do with someone and also the most violating thing you can imagine. hugely overrated.

Most men have very average penises but this also matters less than you think but more than you'd like. It's mostly visual but the visual component is big. Or is for me I guess.

[Anonymous No.14506464]

>>14502532
>You do realise in a poly relationship a man can have multiple partners too, don't you?
Did you not read my post or any of my later posts replying to others? I commented on this. It's a little shameful to even reply to a post as low quality as yours, but I've had a literal gay open relationship before so your 'advice' is honestly just hilarious to me in the extent of your assumptions and pigeonholing of anyone that disagrees with the things you like as 'bitter incel virgin straight white boys'.
>A poly situation in which one partner is silently resentful and doesn't communicate with the other is a bad poly relationship.
It's also most poly relationships.

[Anonymous No.14506492]

>>14504772
>this is why porn needs to be banned.
I agree, but only because you don't know what would actually happen when you take away the bread and circuses all the angry, bitter manchildren who can't compete in the modern dating market have left.

[Anonymous No.14506625]

>>14495996
Privilege enables laziness, laziness leads to weakness, weakness exports identity to victimhood by meanies or saviorhood by demagogues. This has happened over and over.

[Anonymous No.14507603]

>>14498739
no it's not

[Anonymous No.14508332]

>>14502337
That has more to do with circumcision.

[Anonymous No.14508356]

>>14495996
He was peddling /shg/ just as that das taking off here and dabbed on the trannies too. The root issue is the echo chamber here

[Anonymous No.14508376]

>>14505823
It's amazing how Brazil exists just to be a warning to the world, isn't it? Though I guess the USA and nearly every other western country is already in Brazil territory now too, in Europe at least in the capital cities.

>At a certain point in their historical lives, social classes become detached from their traditional parties. In other words, the traditional parties in that particular organisational form, with the particular men who constitute, represent and lead them, are no longer recognised by their class (or fraction of a class) as its expression. When such crises occur, the immediate situation becomes delicate and dangerous, because the field is open for violent solutions, for the activities of unknown forces, represented by charismatic "men of destiny."
Antonio Gramsci

>Whoever is on the side of the things to come is allowed to push against what is already collapsing.
Carl Schmitt

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3dj507

[Anonymous No.14508379]

>>14506464
Yeah most people are shit, you can stick your neck out and get hurt over and over again but it's worth it for those moments of true human connection

[Anonymous No.14508395]

capeshit
anime
vidya
internet echo-chambers that embolden manchildren

[Anonymous No.14508485]

>>14498133
What constitutes 'real' evidence? A large enough collection of anecdotal evidence to be able to be applied to the population of interest?

If so, who determines how big a sample size is needed? There's nothing wrong, per se, with anecdotal evidence. Especially, when it's an example like this that is clear to all those who see it that it could be part of a large trend.

[Anonymous No.14508616]

>>14508485
At least you own it lol

[Anonymous No.14508682]

>>14495996
Not necessarily “liberal” in the political sense, but more liberal approaches to child rearing. Parents who are friends with their kids and allow them a freedom to “become their own person on their terms,” will only ever raise neurotics. These parents never actually give their kids true freedom, but an illusion of it. There is a hidden structure of everything, but it’s masked by the friendly face of lax punishment and the like.

I think it’s led to a gen that never had the experience of learning to exist within systems of control and then rebel against that system for your autonomy. When under strict control, you must forge a will strong enough to overcome that if your parents. If you’re raised so that you truly believe and listen to “we want what’s best for you,” and take what freedom you’re granted you’ve never had to overcome systems to pursue your desires. When put into a world of subtle control and obstacles, you’ll be SOL.

Writing this on my phone so it’s incoherent. But that’s why i think so many young men gravitated towards a conservative father figure who literally is giving out 12 Rules. Do these things, once you can do these things you’ll be able to make your own way. Very much mirrors, “My house my rules, when you go out on your own you can make the rules.”

[Anonymous No.14508764]

>>14501060
ffs dont take advice from a taiwanese scarf-knitting forum, just talk to her or ask a friend, or one of those relationship advisor-like psychologists

[Anonymous No.14508959]

>>14497356
>>14498279
>>14497179
Avoidance of chad degeneracy is only a virtue in those for whom chad degeneracy is a real possibility and temptation. Inability to indulge is never a virtue. I'd rather have an incel go to chad status, enjoy it for a while, then go above it and become completed/differentiated man.

[Anonymous No.14508979]

>>14498575
>Masculinity is a spook and a mercurial one at that.
Do you have some data to back that up?

[Anonymous No.14509013]

>>14503389
>don't follow the Catholic Church, instead follow this Bible compiled by the Catholic Church

[Anonymous No.14509095]

>>14508959
this realization is of extreme importance. the average poster talks about foregoing the carnal pleasures of women as some sort of noble sacrifice, as if they had. a choice, when in reality nobody would ever touch them for free even if they dedicated their entire lives to the pursuit. this is asceticism. this is the most basic form of ego validation.

[Anonymous No.14509358]

>>14508379
>but it's worth it for those moments of true human connection
I've never had that for any of the things that matter to me. Don't expect to have it any time in the future either.

[Anonymous No.14509479]

>>14509013
And what does that Bible say? If the Catholics agree that the Bible is the Bible, then let's study the Bible. If they disagree, why do they think they know more about Jesus and salvation than the Apostles did?
Because the Bible says not to get caught up in strange and divers doctrines or teach for doctrine the commandments of men.

[Anonymous No.14509508]

>>14509095
More generally, this extends to modern guys getting interested in stuff like chivalric/samurai codes of behavior. There's nothing objectionable about those virtues in principle, but the problem is that those codes were created essentially to civilize a savage, ferocious type of man and to steer the violence and cruelty of the warrior type into pro-social forms. The problem today is the opposite - the type of man we're discussing could benefit from quite a bit more hot-blooded ferocity, not less.

[Anonymous No.14509589]

>>14509479
The Bible, as compiled by the Catholic Church, is seen merely as one expression of Catholic & Apostolic tradition, and can't be separated from that context and interpretation. Saying that scripture ranks higher than tradition is nonsense when the scripture is a result of tradition.

[Anonymous No.14510097]

>>14509589
Was Paul wrong? If so, why is he in the Bible? If not, why not listen to him?

[Anonymous No.14510145]

>>14502378
but when it comes to sex practices and body standards they are way above average; dont be stupid anon

[Anonymous No.14510211]

>>14510097
Regarding what? Celibacy? He certainly wasn't wrong in practicing it himself and in encouraging others to do so as well (I Corinthians 7:8-9). He also makes clear that marriage is a concession, not a command (7:6-7). Nothing unclear here.

[Anonymous No.14510344]

>>14510211
* salvation is by faith through grace, not of works, which are as filthy rags. Thus boasting is excluded
* don't teach for doctrine the commandments of men
* bishops are required to be the husband of one wife

[Anonymous No.14510399]

>>14510344
>salvation is by faith through grace, not of works, which are as filthy rags. Thus boasting is excluded
The Council of Trent clarified the Catholic position that neither faith nor works justify, but only grace.
>don't teach for doctrine the commandments of men
The Church as the bride of Christ can not teach the commandments of men. The haphazard individual misinterpretations of scripture by those not guided by apostolic tradition, on the other hand...
>bishops are required to be the husband of one wife
Already debunked above.