Why are authors/creative individuals always fundamentally mentally unwell?

[Anonymous No.14462063]

Thoreau - Childless/asexual
Jung - The Red Book, psychosis, bipolar, whatever the hell that was
Nietzsche - Fuck knows but boy did he go to far, I remember reading in one of his private letters he used to go on 5 hour walks and cry his hearth out due to things which put him lengths above other man, sounds like mania, bipolar?
Emerson - "Emerson was believed to have suffered bipolar disorder in his life. He suffered depression when his wife died"
Saint exupery - Today probably ADHD, I know that behavior.
Leo Tolstoy - Go read Confession, pretty sure he met God.

So many others, bipolar seems to be the most common one, which makes perfect sense. What's up with Bipolar and these kinds of individuals? And mental illness in general.

[Anonymous No.14462071]

>>14462063
>private letters
post

[Anonymous No.14462072]

>illness

You won't understand while you approach the mind from a material medical perspective.

[Anonymous No.14462084]

Time has shown that the flame of genius often sparks the fire of madness.

[Anonymous No.14462089]

>>14462063
Louisa May Alcott literally told Emerson that the reason why Thoreau will be an eternal virgin is because he refuses to shave his disgusting neckbeard.

[Anonymous No.14462090]

>>14462063
>Jung - The Red Book, psychosis, bipolar, whatever the hell that was
Jung was neither. That book is a product of a sort of meditation called active imagination. Which basically means he wrote what he imagined. He did not at all believed it was real, so no psychosis or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.14462094]

>>14462071
Sure

[Anonymous No.14462108]

Musk?

[Anonymous No.14462117]

>>14462094
Supremely based

[Anonymous No.14462122]

>>14462094
wow he's just like me

[Anonymous No.14462128]

>>14462094
this is at least hypomania, no?

[Anonymous No.14462139]

because when you are mentally ill but still proud you need some sort of cope to reconcile yourself

[Anonymous No.14462140]

>>14462128
Textbook mania yes

[Anonymous No.14462142]

>>14462072
Unbelievably based.

You only judge them as ill because you haven't yet experienced the all-encompassing glory and beauty of the ninth level of prayer. Once you reach such a high level of transcendent theosis, none of these "diseases" you mentioned matter.

[Anonymous No.14462167]

>>14462063
People who didn't suffer from some sort of mental disorder or were at the very least troubled in some shape or form at some point in their life are rare.
That might even be a prerequisite for writing anything of any value.

We are humans because we suffer and yearn. That's the essence of the human condition, pain.

[Anonymous No.14462174]

>>14462140
Anon this happens to me, sometimes if I wake up in the morning and go for a long hour long walk in the woods I get a rapid stream of thoughts, sometimes I'm left in the verge of tears, I'm aware this is occurring tough. I'm diagnosed with ADHD so I don't know if it's just my morning dopamine clearing out to fast from my pre frontal cortex, since it always goes away.

If I fast for 22 hours I'll be close to that mood for the whole day, highly creative, almost manic, but always aware. What's wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.14462188]

The real reason is, you are cherry picking. There are plenty of geniuses that have been mentally well too. Instead of qualifying your value on your own work, you pointlessly try to compare yourself to great people in a superficial manner to try and validate yourself as someone truly like them or as a genius. In reality, you are unlikely truly mentally ill or close to a genius. People are more complex than these little traits you pluck out to try and think yourself one of them

[Anonymous No.14462205]

>>14462188
>There are plenty of geniuses that have been mentally well too.
Not that I disagree, but could you name some of them? It seems those geniuses, at the very least by the virtue of being and outlier, experience a sort of alienation that would affect their psyche negatively.

[Anonymous No.14462217]

>>14462063
>psychiatry
mmh no

[Anonymous No.14462219]

>>14462205
Einstein, Von neumann,

[Anonymous No.14462222]

>>14462174
Thats just strong extraverted intuition anon, defined by a string of association which is often quite emotive, you sound like a very 'up' person, its fine, you're aware.

Manic behaviour is unselfconscious, yet grandiose, you seem neither.

When you're up all night making bracelets and trying to sell them on the highway, then you can worry (this was a section order case I had)

[Anonymous No.14462241]

>>14462219
I think Einstein was an abusive husband or had a lot of weird requests for his wife, like an extremely long list of things required of her.

[Anonymous No.14462251]

> Melville, as he always does, began to reason of Providence and futurity, and of everything that lies beyond human ken, and informed me that he had "pretty much made up his mind to be annihilated"

[Anonymous No.14462263]

>>14462188
There are authors who are undoubtedly happy and well adjusted, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Goethe was a notable case like that, somehow he seemed to lead a full and genuinely pleasant life.

[Anonymous No.14462267]

>>14462063
Who was that author that had those wild conversations with the characters from his books?
I think he was one of the russians

[Anonymous No.14462271]

>>14462219
>>14462241
Einstein was an especially bad husband and father. Doesn't look so healthy to me.

[Anonymous No.14462286]

>>14462222
>When you're up all night making bracelets and trying to sell them on the highway, then you can worry (this was a section order case I had)

Alright I'll keep this in mind, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.14462318]

>>14462063
>Nietzsche - Fuck knows but boy did he go to far, I remember reading in one of his private letters he used to go on 5 hour walks and cry his hearth out due to things which put him lengths above other man, sounds like mania, bipolar?
>Emerson - "Emerson was believed to have suffered bipolar disorder in his life. He suffered depression when his wife died"
I love them both and I think I suffer from the same psychopathologies as they did.

[Anonymous No.14462342]

>>14462318
Same anon, I'm going to add more information. Bipolar disorder, psychosis and suicide run in my family. Bipolar people feel emotions more intensely than the average person. I think I've had hypomanic episodes before but I've never been diagnosed. I hallucinate under certain conditions and it's pretty awesome. I actually do enjoy being this way. It allows me to appreciate art, literature, and the general world in ways that other people are unable to.

[Anonymous No.14462400]

>>14462263
I believe Goethe was quoted saying that he feels sympathy towards those who are unable to relate to Werther at any point in their life. I think that people who lived consistently sane and balanced throughout their entire life will not relate to Werther.

[Anonymous No.14462409]

>>14462222
Cringe.
Pigs in white coats get their receptors compassionately destroyed like the swine industry.

[Anonymous No.14462414]

>>14462342
I'm this way but I'm only diagnosed with ADHD and meds never made me go manic, I'm >>14462174 I do feel emotions more intensely, which I attribute to a badly wired pre frontal cortex, and I do go trough those moments I mentioned before and it feels great, but I'm always aware. Might just be ADHD, there's some resemblance between them. Either way I love it, I dread being a normie.

[Anonymous No.14462429]

>>14462263
Werther proves otherwise. He seemed to have became stable later in life, but Goethe as Werther was neither happy nor well adjusted.
>>14462400
I agree with your second sentence, but I'm not sure I understand the first. He said:
>It must be bad, if not everybody was to have a time in his life, when he felt as though Werther had been written exclusively for him.
Is that what you meant?

[Anonymous No.14462460]

>>14462429
Yes that's the quote I was thinking of.

[Anonymous No.14462483]

>>14462460
In that case he isn't saying that people should never feel as Werther, but that it's better to be like Werther and later recover than to be consistently "sane" from the start.

[Anonymous No.14462488]

>>14462414
My prefrontal cortex is definitely subpar. My attention span is poor, I have multiple addictions, and I act compulsively at times. I am improving myself. I think this is something I can improve on. Speaking of fasting, I hallucinate when I am deprived of food and sleep. It doesn't take much. Just 1 day of fasting and like 18-20 hours of not sleeping. I get hypnagogic hallucinations too. I love those.

[Anonymous No.14462537]

>>14462488
Be careful, how old are you? Your front lobe will mature well into your mid twenties, don't rush, stop watching porn and try to go without technology during the weekends, light some candles like the monks in athos instead of always using electricity, look into dopamine fasts, consume omega 3 from small fish, lots, creatine also helps, take zinc to and magnesium, lots more. It will help, promise. XOX

[Anonymous No.14462567]

>>14462488
I also get hypnopompic hallucinations since I started taking acid. They are very interesting for sure

[Anonymous No.14462601]

>>14462488
>I hallucinate when I put my body under stress
>... also I'm probably taking loads of drugs during this time
just like Nietzsche

>>14462567
Same here. I get bipolar whenever I drink a lot of coffee.

[Anonymous No.14462610]

>>14462537
I'm 21. I don't have hard drug addictions. I'm addicted to sex, love, porn, the internet, and food. I don't have a high BMI, I'm pretty skinny actually, but I need one warm dopaminergic meal per day or I'll feel uncomfortable. Similar thing with porn, I'll feel uncomfortable if I go without it. I know these addictions are comorbid and even breaking from one of them will help me break from the other ones. I found a good spot outside where I can spend hours reading. I take my book outside and leave my phone inside. It's calming and my mind only got distracted two or three times during those hours. I am improving. I already take Zinc and Mag, and I get my Omega 3s from chia/flax seeds too.

[Anonymous No.14462633]

>>14462063
I hate Elon Musk

[Anonymous No.14462642]

>>14462567
I microdosed and got HPPD. I took a much smaller microdose than people usually take and still got HPPD.
>>14462601
Coffee makes me feel euphoric. I felt orgasmically euphoric when I was on a microdose and drank black coffee. When I had HPPD and then ceased my psychedelic use, the tracers I saw were increased by coffee and sleep deprivation.

[Anonymous No.14462678]

>>14462063
Read Manic Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament.
>>14462342
You could also have Major Depressive Disorder with negative symptoms of psychosis, which is what I have and is commonly confused with bipolar II due to discrepancy over the presence/absence of hypomanic episodes

[Anonymous No.14462686]

>>14462089
based

[Anonymous No.14462695]

>>14462063
>>14462678
I also believe that, according to that book, poets tend to have the highest incidence of mental illness, most commonly bipolar; somewhat surprising is how less common the number of poets are thought to have had depression, perhaps because eccentric behavior can often be read in the biographic record as evidence of a manic or hypomanic episode

[Anonymous No.14462708]

>he suffered depression when his wife died
another sordid testament to the mental health epidemic we're in

[Anonymous No.14462833]

>>14462610
You need to get them from fish, look into SMASH fish.

[Anonymous No.14462844]

>>14462678
>Manic Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament
Hayao Miyazaki says he's "quite manic depressive". Just remembered.
Golly seems like every great artists is somewhat manic, makes sense, more Dopamine more creativity, mind goes very fast, torrents of ideas all the time, more energy. To much and you get schizophrenia.

[Anonymous No.14462870]

>>14462222
No, dude. Hypomania is a milder form of mania. That's the one he has. It is a component of Bipolar II. I wouldnt recommend medication for hypomania. In a smart individual with high self control, it is a gift.

[Anonymous No.14462934]

>>14462870
How can it be a gift?

[Anonymous No.14462980]

>>14462934
The flow of ideas, optimism, and energy with hypomania isn't overwhelming enough to fuck your perception of reality like full blown mania is. It can give you motivation that the average person doesn't have. The only problem is when that energy gets mixed with depression, as in the case of the mixed state. You become really depressed and angry, and at the same time you get a lot of racing thoughts and become really energetic. Person is most at risk of suicide in that particular moment.

[Anonymous No.14462996]

>>14462980
Oof, I'm the going for walks crying anon, will keep that in mind. Thanks

[Anonymous No.14463057]

Laughing at all these modernists trying to classify people’s psyche into neat little categories. To all you unique individuals out there: be happy for the way you are. Don’t put any stock into diagnoses because nobody understands the psyche, and identifying with a diagnosis is dangerous. Just like everyone single person on Earth, examine your actions and determine what is beneficial behavior to you and what isn’t.

[Anonymous No.14463077]

>>14462063
its sad to see how people are judging themselves and taking with total seriousness sacralized notions of behaviour sanity and mental sanity that a bunch of scientists put in them.
people saying happily and almost proudly, that they are bipolars. its sad, and a little pathetic. like seeing someone voluntarily enter in a closed box.
i tend to think this glorification of psychiatry go almost always with a renunciation of self-knowledge. renunciation of seeing your own mind like something complex and personal.
but they dont gonna accept their stupidity anyway, they are happily dancing with the notions of "mental sanity" that daddy science told to them.

[Anonymous No.14463086]

>>14463077
You are exactly right and you said what I was trying to say in >>14463057 better

[Anonymous No.14463113]

>>14463077
communities that attract wannabe creatives always end up this way - people looking to be special in the most obvious way imaginable. reeks of tumblr

[Anonymous No.14463127]

>>14463077
Hmm anon I'm pretty sure I'm bipolar Thays why I take meds

[Anonymous No.14463135]

>>14463127
>but they dont gonna accept their stupidity anyway, they are happily dancing with the notions of "mental sanity" that daddy science told to them.

[Anonymous No.14463151]

>>14462063
Be extremely wary of labelling unique modes of thought as an illness. Modern medicine likes to pathologize anything that prevents someone from functioning as a worker drone. Not that legitimate mental illness doesn't exist, but one should be careful to distinguish between depressive tendencies inherited from one's parents and depression as a legitimate response to the materialist hellscape we live in; the latter is hardly a "disease". That being said, many creative geniuses are ailed psychologically because they're unable to employ the coping mechanisms which save normalfags from awareness of the tragic nature of human existence. Check out neetch's Birth of Tragedy and Blake's Marriage of Heaven and Hell.
>>14462089
Every tidbit I learn about Thoreau's life makes me love him more.

[Anonymous No.14463365]

It's not that writers are unsound, it's that the unsound write. People who are happy and healthy don't have any business writing, and when they do write, they write practical stuff like help books and informationals.
The unsound need to write or they're unheard, and among the mass of them who jot down their day in their libraries, keep bizarre hobby blogs, or hover around image boards sharing their half-baked thoughts, a couple end up being great authors. Even if the talent is to be found among the better part of the population, the pool of them writing is just too small.

[Anonymous No.14463776]

Why do you guys insist on romanticizing mental illness so devoutly?

[Anonymous No.14463795]

>>14462063
The road to creativity leads through the valley of sickness.

[Anonymous No.14463799]

>>14463776
Liberals fetishize mental illness. Ever notice? Hangout with leftards or watch netflix and it’s always “muh therapist” this and “muh depressive episode” that and “muh meds” and so on.

[Anonymous No.14463804]

>>14462063
Musk follows Tao Lin on twitter

[Anonymous No.14463812]

>>14463804
Grimes probably introduced him to alt-lit

[Anonymous No.14463818]

>>14463812
fucking hell mira what happened

[Anonymous No.14464016]

>>14462708
Lmao
We should make a pill for this! What a defect!

[Anonymous No.14464060]

>>14463804
Musk probably thinks he's smart LMAO

[Anonymous No.14464191]

>>14462174
The fasting is just inducing a state of ketosis. That's when your body shift from burning sugars to burning its fat reserves, and that can cause feelings of clarity and heightened awareness. It's why fasting is a part of many religions.

[Anonymous No.14464217]

>>14462063
This is some retard cope shit, as much as I'd like to appeal to the tortured artist cliche its pretty clear that MOST authors/creative individuals are ok mentally. The ones that are mentally ill are obviously blown up and given more attention because their more of a character and are looked at with a medical sophist gaze such as this anon stated>>14462072. Most of the shit you stated as an illness is subjective. All your examples are separated by decades of work as well. You can grab some wiki list of "Mentally ill writers" but that'll just prove my point further tbfh

[Anonymous No.14464811]

>>14462205
Spinoza

[Anonymous No.14464843]

>>14462063
Creativity is often related to pattern 'recognition' (or at least, seeing emerging patterns, connections and such everywhere) which is tied to intelligence and personality trait openeness. These have been proven to correlate with mental illnessess. Perhaps the greater connectivity in certain brain parts to assume connections around things most people don't see them, which quite literally would classify anyone insane, is the price you pay to see connections in things that turn out to be "true". In addition, I'm not willing to dismiss different levels of subconscious diving as anything but literally meeting God or having some genuine connection to the world in a way what would seem like supernatural nonsense. We don't really know how the brain works, after all.

[Anonymous No.14464868]

>tfw I used to be a wonderful writer but I've since lost my passion and my humor and can't even put emotion into the most personally emotional story I've ever written

[Anonymous No.14464922]

>>14462072
utterly based.
psychiatry judges people on their deviations from the normal, yet in reality there are exceptionally functional schizos/autists/psychopaths who don't do much harm whatsoever, and normal average people who end up hobos, drunkards, and general subhumans and drive up crime.
and if you manage to live with it, some mental disorders can broaden you worldview or some shit

[Anonymous No.14465218]

>>14462222
>Thats just strong extraverted intuition anon, defined by a string of association which is often quite emotive, you sound like a very 'up' person, its fine, you're aware.

I looked this up, How can I better balance my personality, do you see any common traps someone like me might fall for?

[Anonymous No.14465220]

>>14463776
Who is? No one is doing so in this thread, I'm OP, and I'm just pointing out a fact, that, apparently, has been observed by many authors now.

[Anonymous No.14465242]

>>14464868
What happened, anon?

Despite not knowing you nor having read a lick of your writing, I believe in you. I hope you believe in yourself too.

[Anonymous No.14465267]

>>14462063
I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding in this logic. All humans suffer from various levels of dysfunction, and I don't believe creative types suffer from it more overtly, at least not necessarily. Nor does being mentally ill come as a prerequisite of being fantastically creative or brilliant.
I think people tend to attempt to rationalize extreme states of mind, and often the most simple explanation is any apparent deficiency or "otherness" an individual suffers from.
Were these people more brilliant or creative than the average person in any given age? I would say yes, almost definetely. Was this due entirely to mental illness? No, although it is entirely possible and even likely that their various struggles contributed to their creativity in no small part.

[Anonymous No.14465326]

>>14462128
>hypomania
Imagine living in a world where finding your own thoughts sentimentally moving is considered a sign of mental illness.

[Anonymous No.14465337]

>>14462072
based

[Anonymous No.14465352]

>>14462063
>why in the past 200 years are the autists promoted by jews extremely unwell

>something something fifth column

[Anonymous No.14465373]

>>14462094
>14
>88
wtf bros

[Anonymous No.14465379]

>>14462205
I'm going through great mathematicians and can't find a real nutjob besides Cantor who was heavily bipolar (he never denied it and tried every treatment then known). Probably lots of schizoid characters and loners but that's not a mental illness.
In terms of philosophers, the ancients and scholastics seem sane, and so do Descartes, Leibniz, etc up to Husserl who even had a happy family life. Among philosophers I like Godel is the exception with his terminal paranoia.
It might be slightly more prevalent in fiction writers but even there it's hardly the norm as you seem to imply.

[Anonymous No.14465382]

>>14462167
>That's the essence of the human condition, pain.
lol stfu pseud

[Anonymous No.14465399]

>>14465326
Full blown mania is hellish; an out of control fire blazing in your mind while the world around you burns. The only thing mania offers is a pathway to a reality I can only describe as strange. The sufferer draws all the color out of the world around them and the rest of their world recoils from the intensity of their presence. This creates a cold and strange plane of existence. What good are one's own racing thoughts and emotions when everyone around you starts producing cortisol when they see you? Your brain is overdosing on trying to make connections and the world around you is actively walling you out.

[Anonymous No.14465401]

>>14462174
>>14462222
>>14462870
>>14462934
>>14462980
>>14462996
Not an mbti fag but would you fellas all fall under Enxp?

[Anonymous No.14465404]

>>14465399
Who is "everyone around you" on a 5-hour long lone walk? There's nobody around you for you to obnoxiously pester there anyway lmao. Just go have your manic fit innawoods nigga, just poke a treestump with a stick nigga.

[Anonymous No.14465432]

>>14465404
It doesn't last 5 hours, it lasts like 5+ fucking days.

[Anonymous No.14465445]

>>14465432
Just take a vacation faggot.

[Anonymous No.14465455]

>>14465382
prove it's wrong

[Anonymous No.14465527]

>>14465445
>Just execute long term planning functions while manic

[Anonymous No.14465540]

>N=6

[Anonymous No.14465552]

>>14465527
What's "long term planning" about taking a vacation? Just literally take a week off and fuck off to some cabin somewhere. About 5 braincells required.

[Anonymous No.14465560]

>>14465399
you can dramatize every emotion and every sensation saying "full blown". you can say is a hellish experience after that.
mental illness like a "not adjusted to the norm" or "not adjusted to the emotional norm" is a shame to humanity. sooner or later people gonna confront it.

[Anonymous No.14465578]

>>14463812
>teens
lmao

[Anonymous No.14465623]

>>14462188
he is cherrypicking but he isn't the first that noticed this connection
read this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27834663-genio-e-follia

i tried reading it thinking he would go more into details of particular figure life's but it's mostly just mentioning by single A LOT amount of well known and respected authors etc. and naming few of their weird behaviours
i mean it's not anything new, but should make you accept op's "thesis" although it's surely not like you have to be ill to be a genius

[Anonymous No.14465643]

>>14465455
>We are humans because we suffer and yearn. That's the essence of the human condition, pain.
Ahh yes, only humans feel pain, only humans were the product of their suffering, definitely not something key to life itself.

[Anonymous No.14465677]

>>14465643
no other life form lives the dimension of pain and yearning as we do.

[Anonymous No.14465683]

>>14465677
>source: my ass

[Anonymous No.14465693]

>>14465643
ok, you can solve life then instead of human minds.

[Anonymous No.14465698]

>>14462063
imagine having to compete with literary geniuses 2000 years ago, you could be a scientist trying new theories on wellness of an untouched field such as video games and wouldnt have to live up to such a standard

[Anonymous No.14465734]

>>14465683
biological life and physical pain don't define us

[Anonymous No.14465741]

>>14463799
yes they fetishize the negative aspects, as they celebrate the taking of their meds, what they do is very different than what the people in this thread are doing

[Anonymous No.14465778]

imagine all the genius that was lost in the modern age due to the rise of psychiatric medication