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Is War and Peace nothing more than an ideological playground in which the author inserts his insufferable self into all of the characters? I find myself nodding off as I'm reading it: it's boring, lazy, inscrutable writing.

>> No.14414927

>>14414864
Then drop it and read a different book.
Too bad you can't appreciate good literature.

>> No.14414966

>>14414864
Is Paradise Lost nothing more than an ideological playground in which the author inserts his insufferable self into all of the characters? I find myself nodding off as I'm reading it: it's boring, lazy, inscrutable writing.

>> No.14414970

>>14414864
>>14414966
When your criticism is appliable to literally any book out there, most of the time it implies you haven't read the book you are talking about.

>> No.14414984

>>14414927
I can, though: I've read books like Ulysses and The Great Gatsby: I've slept with The Cantos and made love to Wuthering Heights: and I took out just the other day Hamlet for breakfast. I know what a good work is, and War and Peace, unfortunately, perhaps leider, is not so far meeting that standard. It's dull, plods on, and is somewhat insufferable. But, don't get me wrong, I have read good books.

>>14414966
I don't like Paradise Lost, either.

>>14414970
But it isn't applicable (you misspelled that in your post) to every book: you only think it is, because you haven't read anything. There are many books who dodge the criticism of being "boring" because things actually happen within their sleeves. There's, what, like one fight scene in this whole book? And the rest of it is marriage games and dowry proposals.

>> No.14415034

>>14414984
>Fight scene
Weak bait.
Go watch anime if you want fight scenes.

>> No.14415039

>>14414966
Is Harry Potter nothing more than an ideological playground in which the author inserts his insufferable self into all of the characters? I find myself nodding off as I'm reading it: it's boring, lazy, inscrutable writing.

>> No.14415051

>>14415034
You know what I meant: I was referring specifically to the battle scenes, which, if I may add, are overdone and overwrought. I found myself nodding off at the author attempting to convey to us the psychological impact of war on one's character. I couldn't help but nod off when the protagonist was staring at the sky, as if that staring would reveal to him some profound truth about life.

>>14415039
In this case, you would have to replace the masculine pronouns with feminine ones.

>> No.14415156

>>14414984
Bruh who the fuck brags about reading gatsby and hamlet
>I don't like Paradise Lost, either.
You have shit taste

>> No.14415207

>>14415156
Paradise Lost is one of the worst works in the canon: overwrought, lazily done, and silly. I had to read it a couple months ago for a class and was bored out of my wits with it. The descriptions are so occulted and obfuscated that one knows not what's happening. I remember one of the scenes wherein Satan does battle with the angels, and I could not get what was going on. It was like watching a movie in fog, or reading a book drunk.

>> No.14415249

>>14414864
Anna Karenina isn't as bad, I've heard, but it's bad enough to put me off attempting to read W&P.
>introducing my virtuous farming landowner OC all his serfs wish they hadn't been freed <3
>female infidelity unforgivable male infidelity uhhhhhh lol it happens babe

>> No.14415265

>>14415207
>I had to read it a couple months ago for a class and was bored out of my wits with it. The descriptions are so occulted and obfuscated that one knows not what's happening. I remember one of the scenes wherein Satan does battle with the angels, and I could not get what was going on. It was like watching a movie in fog, or reading a book drunk.
Imagine getting filtered by fucking milton kek

>> No.14415276

>>14415249
>female infidelity unforgivable male infidelity uhhhhhh lol it happens babe
Is there something wrong with this stance?

>> No.14415294

>>14415207
I have no idea what you're on about. Paradise Lost is great fun and accessible.

>> No.14415306

>>14415265
It wasn't so much my getting filtered as it was the book's being unbearable to read. You know, because the guy was an insufferable writer? No wonder he was blind: his descriptions of the battles are as foggy and dim, and as blurry and inscrutable, as his vision. So no, I wasn't filtered by him. I read him twice, and wish, too, that I could get the time that I put into those readings back for other efforts.

>>14415249
I've heard this too. I'm probably going to put off War and Peace, having read it halfway, and move on to Anna Karenina. Life is too short.

>>14415276
The fact that it's misogynistic and crude?

>>14415294
>great
There's no greatness about it, other than the fact that it's dealing with "great" figures of history. Whatever "greatness" it has bespeaks not its quality but the subject matter with which it deals. And, even so, Johnson was right to point out that Milton's depiction of Satan was immoral for the young readers reading it.
>fun
Fun for the whole family? Pshaw: I've had root canals that would qualify as being more fun than reading this.
>accessible
Accessibility only counts for urbane libraries and aquariums.

>> No.14415546

>>14415306
Bro you described how you literally couldn't understand his words abd fauled to grasp what was happening, you got guvking filtered by fucking milton

>> No.14415619

>>14415306
>Accessibility only counts for urbane libraries and aquariums.
>complains about how milton's word choice was too occult and obscure
Why are you posturing this hard on 4chins

>> No.14415625

>>14415619
>urbane libraries and aquariums are occult and obscure words

>> No.14415639

>>14414984
>I can, though
No, you can't. But it would be nice if you could.

>> No.14415645

>>14415625
Bro stop being a retard. You deemed accessibilty as something that only plebs care about, when your entire reason for hating milton is his obscurity.

>> No.14415666

>>14415639
I not only can but have.

>>14415645
I should clarify: I don't mean his obscurity on the basis of his allusiveness or his esoteric knowledge but rather in terms of the LITERAL obscurity (i.e. his darkening of meaning) he creates with his overdone and unclear writing. There are times when I can't even begin to say what's going on.

>> No.14415667

It's Christmas, stop posting disingenuous bait and being such a cunt for the entire thread

>> No.14415725

>>14415666
What ever gave the impression that there was a misunderstanding? You literally couldn't penetrate miltons 'obscure' words. You got filtered

>> No.14415730

>>14415666
Go read YA, faggot

>> No.14415732

>>14415667
To whom are you speaking?

>>14415725
The misunderstanding lies in you. One would need all the light from Heaven to clarify even the clearest passage of Milton. Fuck away.

>> No.14415734

there's a cucking plot that you will like

>> No.14415899

>>14415732
Didn't you just say accessibility only counted in libraries and aquariums? And here you are, complaing about how you can't understand milton. Of all the poets, milton!

>> No.14415906

Gandhi’s favorite book. What is the reason he contacted Tolstoy and began a correspondence about his work and non-violence

>> No.14415910

>>14415899
Who is Milton?

>> No.14415918

>>14415306
This post gave me second-hand embarrassment. You should repost it in the cringe thread, I think you have a good shot

>> No.14415926

>>14415918
I wish it could have been first-hand for you. Luckily, the first hands that touched, created, and typed your post were yours, and belonged to you. You could therefore repost yours thereof in the cringe thread, as well.

>> No.14415942

>>14415926
want to play cs

>> No.14415947

>>14415910
Why, one of the greatest poets to ever live

>> No.14415957

>>14415276
late response but Tolstoy literally told his wife all about the whores he fucked and made her very unhappy. a little bit self-serving of him to set up a narrative in which the married man who doesn't think his wife is fuckable anymore because he impregnated her too many times (resulting in children he barely notices) & constantly commits adultery with no remorse & uses his sister to convince his wife to forgive him, gets away with it all, while the sister wretchedly falls in love with one man outside of her loveless marriage & confesses to her husband & and eventually commits suicide because of the agony of her sins. just a little bit. it angers me because anna's brother suffers zero consequences, not because anna herself is punished

>> No.14415962

>>14415942
I will in a second.

>>14415947
Good.

>> No.14416003

>>14415957
>because of the agony of her sins
I wouldn't say this is the correct reading. She obviously felt guilty because she left her son, but ultimately what drove her 'mad' was the attitude the society she was involved with took against her (they pushed her to it and then let her by herself and condemn her), and her jealousy of younger bitches who were interacting with Vronsky while they couldn't get married, so she thought he could leave her anytime. She was unfaithful and then couldn't live with the uncertainty of Vronsky doing something in the same line to her.

>> No.14416016

>>14415957
You know, for how much tolstoy hated lear, it really is amazing how lear like he is