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[Anonymous No.14413910]

Is it possible to be orientalist towards your own culture?

[Anonymous No.14413932]

i want to fuck her while wearing a pith helmet. then after i coom ill throw her poetry into a trash can. Ill print out her instgram stuff and just throw into into a trash can

[Anonymous No.14413935]

>>14413910
Unironically yes. I’m Indian and I look down on the matriarchal parts of my culture. I also dislike most other Indians and think they are too pussy to do anything other than get a safe degree, a safe career, and then traumatize their children because of their own misery.

I’m mixed by the way.

When I started to individuate I got destroyed by my family and it left me miserable for years. I’m still trying to develop out of that shitshow. It’s not a culture conducive to psychical growth, despite paradoxically worshipping Yogis. You have grown men sitting at the feet of some Yogi and appealing to his authority for why the west is bad.

There’s something about the west that historically has produced healthier people, and it might have to do with the lack of the overbearing, devouring mother as a cultural standard. My family’s Hindu sect is Shaktism. When I see any Bollywood films depicting a mother, I shiver at the depiction. It’s always an ultra-narcissistic woman who does everything she can to keep her child infantilized. This is why Indian men are mostly betas, and why Sikhs in particular are not. Sikhs don’t have this matriarch issue.

Barely made it out alive man. Most don’t even try to do what I did.

[Anonymous No.14413942]

>>14413932
>i want to fuck her while wearing a pith helmet.
Please expand on this.

[Anonymous No.14413967]

>>14413910
A huge amount of the tourist industry seems to revolve around making an exostic spectacle of native culture.

I work at picture framers, I've seen a lot of self-orientalising artwork marketed as souvenirs for tourists.

[Anonymous No.14414023]

>>14413935
I'm honestly interested in listening to all this and hearing way more from you but it would never be contained by a single thread so I'm deterred from asking about details cause I'll get invested.

[Anonymous No.14414081]

>>14413935
I’m a Sikh myself, I always found that strange about the other Indian cultures and especially Dravidians. While we made are women closer to being equal in social status than the Hindus did, the man was still the patriarch of the house while Hindu men allow themselves to be dominated by their women.

At some point Hinduism experienced the degradation that the Northern European pagans did but at a slower pace to what its become today, weak and obsessed with idol worship (people praying to toilets).

What I imagine happened to the Hindus is that overtime by breeding with Dravidians they lost the war like Indo-Aryan spirit that was still present in the North West and especially the Rajput (who were very patriarchal, burning their widows).

Another major ill that affected Hindus is their over rationalizing of the Castes which made them more rigid and fragmented then they had been and stopped people that were dysgenic to the caste they were born in from moving into another, while in North Western India out caste system while still feeling some of the affects of what the Hindu scholars had done over time remained much more fluid. As an example most Sikhs are Jatt farmers who come from Rajputs that eventually abandoned their former castes and took on farming.

Lastly I think it’s to do with the Sufi concept of the 3 tiered hierarchy of the souls where the highest will find God and the esoteric on their own, the second are capable of esoteric thought but require the strict hand of a Guru, and the lowest require strict religious law. The Hindus failed to give strict law to the lowest tier (as an example Sunni Islam a religion on the opposite extreme, failing to nourish those of the second and first tier) and through the dysgenic effects of the more rigid caste system that arose overtime had people not apt for esoteric thought involved in it.

[Anonymous No.14414083]

>>14413932
Kek.

[Anonymous No.14414186]

>>14413932

After you're done will you beckon your nigger boy over to hand you a cigarette and to escort the female off your property?

[Anonymous No.14414394]

>>14413910
Despite what they say about European-Americans it’s actually second- and third-generation non-whites that have no culture.

[Anonymous No.14414411]

>>14413935
>>14414081
POO

[Anonymous No.14414415]

>>14413935
>>14414081
>indians on my board
hand over the bananas

[Anonymous No.14414429]

>>14413935
This is some fertile material. I hope you're writing more that posts with it.

[Anonymous No.14415318]

>>14414415
Based Chadcyoderm

[Anonymous No.14415326]

>>14413910
Do many Brahmin Punjabis think like this?

[Anonymous No.14415403]

>>14413967
>self-orientalising artwork
What the fuck does this even mean?

[Anonymous No.14415409]

>>14413935
Self-hating Indians are the cringiest of people.

[Anonymous No.14415411]

>>14413910
Does she even write about Indian things? Her poems are mostly feminism and men and not shaving herself.

[Anonymous No.14416042]

>>14413932
>ywn colonize her body and other her

[Anonymous No.14416189]

>>14413935

[Anonymous No.14416212]

>>14413935
>>14414081
Can either of you explain why so many Indians get absorbed into black culture? Absorbed with hip hop and shoes and making Soundcloud recording, it's embarrassing for everyone.

[Anonymous No.14416253]

[Anonymous No.14416284]

>>14416212
Despite being 1 out of every 5 people on Earth, Indians emotionally resonate with the lie that blacks (14% global population) tell about being a minority and so that mixed with being pussy materialists, they throw in with the oh so put upon negro and their "style" and "culture." Probably also has to do with blacks reminding them of the streets where they shit and piss, due to looks and smell and attitude and intelligence, ad infinitum.

[Anonymous No.14416720]

>>14416212
Sure. When you immigrate to North America, you essentially have two cultures to draw from; black culture and white culture. There isn’t an established Indian-American culture really, since Indian parents force their children to take the safe route of becoming doctors, software engineers, lawyers, etc. Someone like Rupi Kaur, as cringe as she is, is a step in the right direction for Indian-American culture. To me it’s no surprise that she is Canadian. Indians in America are far more driven by occupational prestige than Indians in Canada.

To come back to an explanation for why Indians take on aspects of black culture, from my view I see it as a rejection of the infantilization Indian men are subject to at the hands of their mothers. White culture can be imitated, and I’ve seen it occur, but white culture isn’t currently generating that masculine identification you see happening in black culture. White culture seems only to have Jordan Peterson and a few intellectuals, but music wise there is nothing there. In black culture you have aggressiveness, bravado, wealth building, a language distinct enough from the language of the colonizer, etc. It’s just the more simple route to differentiation from the overbearing mother and also the colonizer’s culture. It’s essentially the full package. And what’s more is that black people are actually accepting of this, at least much more than white people, though not necessarily. Black people just get it. That’s why Puerto Ricans can say the N-Word, and why Nav, an Indian guy from Canada, can say the N-word on a song with Travis Scott (Butterfly Doors).

This is just how I see it. I reject the emphasis on genetic reasons, and I tend to cultural explanations for all of this.

[Anonymous No.14416755]

>>14416189

[Anonymous No.14416956]

>>14416720
To add to this, black people actually do outreach. If you go on any American college campus (which is how many immigrants come to that country) you'll see lots of special clubs for "POC" and so on, offering special advantages for joining. These clubs then indoctrinate students to identify as black Americans (or at least, as non-white) while also self segregating non-westerners from white westerners. It's weird that this is taken for granted, but anybody who speaks negatively of such organizations are pegged as racists or self hating uncle Toms.

To add to your point about Canada, Canada lacks any kind of coherent "African American" culture, and most black people here are either African or Europeans. While obviously Canada has stereotypes and prejudices based on white, black, brown, etc.we tend to play more loosely with it, and ethnic difference has always been seen as more a matter of culture, language, and religion than simply skin colour. "African Americans" tend to get grouped in with both Blacks and Americans, but aren't seen in the kind of essentialist category that the US has. There's also less of a negative history there (most slaves in Canada being between first nations, and black slaves being a couple hundred semi-educated maids and butlers in Montreal over two hundred years ago), so while racism does exist, white Canadians aren't particularly accepting of outright hostility towards them whereas many white Americans will embrace and even promote such things. Sikhs actually enjoy a fair bit of colonial prestige here, and are generally seen as ferocious warriors who fought hard for the glory of the Old Empire before being thrown under the bus (obviously not always the case, but more-so than in the USA where they form a non-entity)

[Anonymous No.14416981]

>>14416720
>>14416956
i cannot imagine navel gazing this much lmao fucking cuckold

[Anonymous No.14417002]

>>14416981
We're two different people. Do you never speculate generally on culture or history, anon? If people having thoughts about issues makes you uncomfortable, maybe the problem is you.

[Anonymous No.14417016]

>>14417002
cuckolds* sorry!

[Anonymous No.14417081]

>>14416956
>These clubs then indoctrinate students to identify as black Americans
No they don’t. The imitation occurs pre-college age, and actually lessens after college. To peg it to college campus indoctrination is just perpetuating right-wing propaganda.
> anybody who speaks negatively of such organizations are pegged as racists or self hating uncle Toms
It’s true, but why speak negatively about it? It’s not like whites are oppressed as a result, it’s just that you don’t know how far this could go, so whites are alarmed. But it hasn’t even come close to an issue. The day I see whites genuinely oppressed I will stand up. For now it’s just not happening. It’s more of a suspicion thing. I’ll admit that it could get out of hand in the future.

>Canada lacks any kind of coherent "African American" culture
> ethnic difference has always been seen as more a matter of culture, language, and religion than simply skin colour
I’m talking strictly about Indians in America and Canada imitating black culture either experienced within the US or exported from the US.
> Sikhs actually enjoy a fair bit of colonial prestige here
Have you see Jagmeet Singh getting interviewed? It’s either a white liberal asking him about the oppression he’s dealt with, or a right winger asking him about whether or not he’s a Sikh Separatist who thinks the Air Canada bomber was a martyr. The discussion almost never has anything to do with the warrior culture of the Sikh’s. I say this as a Khatri by the way.

[Anonymous No.14417255]

>>14416720
this is cringey cuckfag trash

[Anonymous No.14417425]

>>14417081
>No they don’t. The imitation occurs pre-college age, and actually lessens after college. To peg it to college campus indoctrination is just perpetuating right-wing propaganda.
My experience was seeing it happen to first gen-immigrants in a college setting. I don't know about American born people.

>It’s true, but why speak negatively about it? It’s not like whites are oppressed as a result
Well I suppose the question here is what "genuinely oppressed" looks like. I personally was harassed by a group of 'POC' who didn't like me (because I'd express sentiments similar to the ones I'm expressing now), but it was always seen by the student body as a couple bad apples rather than systemic. If these groups provide in-group advantages that aren't accessible to the 'other', is that also not a form of discrimination that would- if the situation were reversed- be seen as racist? Here we have the issue of causes, I've seen many white people similarly say that racism couldn't exist within society because there are no laws expressly stating that, for example, marijuana charges exist to throw Blacks and Mexicans in prison. As far as I'm concerned, the existence of these groups leverages school funds away from clubs and organizations that don't promote racial segregation and animosity.

>Have you see Jagmeet Singh getting interviewed? It’s either a white liberal asking him about the oppression he’s dealt with, or a right winger asking him about whether or not he’s a Sikh Separatist who thinks the Air Canada bomber was a martyr. The discussion almost never has anything to do with the warrior culture of the Sikh’s. I say this as a Khatri by the way.
That's a fair point. The media in this country is really retarded. I'm speaking as a white guy who grew up in the countryside mostly around Native Americans, rednecks, and hippies. In my experience the Natives tend to admire Sikh culture, and the rednecks are torn between admiring Sikh culture and thinking he's a Muslim. I'm now studying at Langara College, which is about 70% Punjabi students, and the general feeling I've seen towards them there is a mixture of respect and joking about how many of them there are. Singh has really struck me as the most interesting and compelling character in this last election, and it's a shame it got drowned out by commentators fixated on his turban and Trudeaumania. His hard stance on the side of Quebecois sovereignty in particular was something I found fascinating, and I'm curious to what extent he's an anti-federalist and to what extent he was self-consciously trying not to alienate potential voters. Internally he's really seemed like the big voice keeping the NDP a Democratic Socialist Party without sliding too much towards the left-identarianism exposed by the younger generation and MPs like Niki Ashton.

[Anonymous No.14417705]

Why are so many blacks being arrested for smoking weed in public? Is it racism?

[Anonymous No.14417726]

>just looked up BC's racial demographics

Holy fuck how did it get this bad. How cucked are Canadians?

Its weird we have to pretend someone named Singh Vijay Patel or Woo Loo Park Chong is "just as Canadian" as a white guy named Tom Smith or an Indian named Running Horse or something.

Its a weird cognitive dissonance that Canadians force themselves to do I've noticed. Like a weird self-loathing

[Anonymous No.14417738]

>>14417726
You aren't very insightful, are you? The cognitive dissonance going on is really you both knowing you're a dumb parrot and thinking you have some real fresh take on immigration to the West.

[Anonymous No.14417752]

>>14417738
This is a cope post t b h.

You've done nothing to refute what I stated. What has happened in Western politics in the last 10 years has shown that there are untold millions of white Westerners who are asking themselves the same questions.

But no, you must think the President Trump, Brexit and the rise of the AfD must have been due to "economic unease".

[Anonymous No.14417849]

>No replies

Yeah that faggot got BTFO lol

[Anonymous No.14417882]

>>14415409
>some mutt with a white dad
>a skih
I'd say this thread has been par for the course, friend

[Anonymous No.14417883]

>>14417738
seriously starting to hate how westernized ethnic "intellectuals" type

[Anonymous No.14417906]

>>14417752
Yeah man. Suddenly Slavs, Irishmen, and Italians are all asking the same questions as "white Westerners".
Do you even read history? 60 years ago Catholics and Protestants wouldn't even look at each other. Now they've nicely equated themselves and assume a white identity. It's all bullshit.

[Anonymous No.14417918]

>>14417906
Yeah, those paradises of non-white immigration: Italy and Russia.

[Anonymous No.14417925]

>>14414415
PRÖÖÖÖHH!! :DDD

[Anonymous No.14417929]

>>14417906
cope

[Anonymous No.14417933]

>>14417906
unbearable pajeet cope here
i've heard this from nonwhites dozens of times it never gets less funny

[Anonymous No.14417937]

>>14417918
Completely missed my point, and I don't expect you to understand at all at this point.

[Anonymous No.14418021]

>>14417918
Wow you're retarded. That's not what he was saying

[Anonymous No.14418045]

The fuck does "orientalist" mean? Is it possible to be Asian towards your own culture? I guess, if you're Asian. What?

[Anonymous No.14418052]

>>14413935
Hey poopoo. Go here:
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We're all here.

[Anonymous No.14418054]

>>14418045
Kek. That was funny. What you wrote sums up Orientalism, in a way.

[Anonymous No.14418062]

eat shit faggots

[Anonymous No.14418063]

>>14416720
>White people have nothing music-wise
Are you fucking serious?
>What is literally the entire spectrum of classical music

[Anonymous No.14418119]

>>14413935
What are you mixed with, what races/nationalities are your mother/father?

[Anonymous No.14418158]

>>14417081
>The day I see whites genuinely oppressed I will stand up. For now it’s just not happening. It’s more of a suspicion thing. I’ll admit that it could get out of hand in the future.

Rhetoric against whites is already eliminationist, by the standards used by scholars of genocide. I'm not going to spoon-feed examples or argue the point--just keep this in mind the next time you see anti-white rhetoric, you'll be surprised.

[Anonymous No.14418172]

>>14418063
Are you illiterate? He said he was talking about masculine themes in music specifically. And besides, it's not like Wagner's music is thriving in the daily life of the average person.

[Anonymous No.14418176]

>>14418172
country music

[Anonymous No.14418226]

>>14418176
Country music is great but you can’t possibly conclude it’s topping hip hop right now.

[Anonymous No.14418296]

>>14418172
>>14418176
>>14418226
It's interesting, the white guys I know who are super into ghetto nig music are incredibly right wing and racist metalheads, whereas the white guys I know who aren't nearly as interested in hip hop more left wing and generally interested in alternative/hipster type music. I 100% think the popularity of aggressive nigger music even among people who hate niggers goes hand-in-hand with the general masculinity crisis plaguing the West.

[Anonymous No.14418900]

>>14417726
White people have only settled in my hometown for about 100 years, most settlers there coming from Eastern Europe and the USA. The native people there still aren't legally considered Canadian citizens, and form a weird kind of psuedo-oikos with their own taxes, government structure, and constitution.

In Vancouver, Sikhs and Chinese have always been a sizable demographic, since the conception of the city. Much of it's present character comes from Hong Kong dysphoria, who also stand most strongly against chinese interference in Canada

I'm as nativist as they come, but BC is clearly an exceptional case

[Anonymous No.14418904]

>>14413942
Colonial core hat.

[Anonymous No.14419117]

>>14417883
Fucking this.

[Anonymous No.14419162]

>>14417906
I've heard this same argument many, many, times and I've always wondered why it's only white identity that's the target of these undermining attempts. I've noticed that black, brown, and yellow people never have to justify their own racial identities.

[Anonymous No.14419169]

>>14419162
Cuz colonialism, genius.

[Anonymous No.14419182]

>>14413942
Pic related

[Anonymous No.14419298]

>>14418900
>Canuck the Cuck coming strong with Patriotic Cope

[Anonymous No.14419378]

>>14413910
Im indian from india and Yes, indians get the idea of indian culture from westerners and faggy upper class media establishment types who have only consumed western media and lived in gated communities/localities and done their higher education abroad, also people here want to or do consume mostly western media the domestic media is for braindead boomer aunties and uncles or is just being edgy for the sake of being edgy to differentiate itself
Bascially there's no indian culture anymore it's all just consumerist/western in nature even if it shows itself to be indian, regional languages and cultures are dying and it's all becoming one giant homogenized garbage with no substance and its cringe to top it off

[Anonymous No.14419741]

>>14418900
cope

[Anonymous No.14420405]

>>14419298
>>14419741
The mistake of Britain was that it didnt incorporate colonial subjects properly into the colonial infrastructure. If they’d pulled proper warriors, administrators, and leaders out of the rigid indian caste system and gave them titles and honours and armies to command Britian would have an Empire to this day, and one staffed by the most loyal and patriotic subjects imaginable.
Instead they put everything into the hands of faggy Eton kids, and now we have a whole bunch of ex-colonies ran by homosexual browns who desperately try to copy those faggy Eton kids in opinion and mannerism

[Anonymous No.14420453]

>>14420405
Jeez Louise I hope this isn't true

[Anonymous No.14420659]

>>14417933
Prove it wrong then

[Anonymous No.14420684]

>>14419378
Based Indian, you should write about this and become a leader in your country so you can fight it

[Anonymous No.14420687]

>>14420405
Those faggy Eton kids frequently did a very good job at running colonies. Honestly it's impossible to say how things might have turned out because the main opposition to empire came from within the West in the form of various democratic/socialist movements.

[Anonymous No.14420693]

>>14420684
the current government is partially a rebellion to those people already

[Anonymous No.14420741]

>>14420453
It is though. You really think people like Mandela and Nehru wouldn’t have rather achieved their natural ambitions within a global Empire? Wasn’t Robert Clive a good-for-nothing nobody before historical calamity (and nothing else) allowed him to become the person he was? Even a hundred years ago the Arabs were willing to wage war on behalf of the British, and they were rewarded with insults and Palestine being handed to European Jewery. The British forced their best men into prisons and open rebellion with their actions, while monopolizing power within a small clique of homosexual elitists, and the fall of their Empire is on their own hands. We could have had an Empire governed by men, from different races and religions sure, but that would have been better than letting it fall apart in the hands of sodomites and alcoholic incompetents like Churchill.

[Anonymous No.14420743]

>>14417906
>>14417738
Holy SHIT triggered minority alert lmao. Go back to where you came from shitskin.

[Anonymous No.14420749]

>>14419169
non sequitur

[Anonymous No.14420781]

>>14420687
So where is the Empire today? Those Eton kids are still around and doing fine.

[Anonymous No.14420806]

>>14420743
She pooped in the tub

[Anonymous No.14420820]

>>14420806
*BRAAAAP*

[Anonymous No.14421012]

>>14417906
>Do you even read history? 60 years ago Catholics and Protestants wouldn't even look at each other. Now they've nicely equated themselves and assume a white identity. It's all bullshit.
Not really, people just became less religious and then were attacked on a racial vector. The fact that they're white just became more pertinent to them.