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Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:09:24 2019 No.14409696 [Reply] [Original]

Why is it that nearly every time a "debunking" video or paper like this is written, it's done in bad faith with very vocal personal attacks despite people like Charles Murray being experts in their field with mountains of evidence supporting their work. It is as if, for the leftist, the "truth" that there is no causal relationship between race and intelligence is a foregone conclusion. Regardless of the rest of one's political belief system, the mere acknowledgement that such a relationship is possible is treated with such vitriol that the person doing this acknowledging is branded a fascist, reactionary, Nazi, etc.

Why? Considering that the debate about this subject within academia is still ongoing I ask myself: what could convince the leftist that there is a causal relationship between race and IQ? It appears that the answer is "nothing." This is troublesome because it seems to betray that many leftists are not interested in what the truth actually is, but rather in projecting their own rigid and dogmatic perspective onto the world, choosing to acknowledge only evidence that supports this perspective.

Why is it that leftists can so acutely cut through propaganda to recognize the exploitation they face under corporate capitalism, but are so quick to bury their head in the sand on other topics? Why do they feel the need to resort to ad hominem the moment one suggests a causal link between race and IQ? Why can't one say "I love my black neighbors despite what may be biological differences and hope to work to create a better world for us all?"

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:11:58 2019 No.14409710

>>14409696
The 'we are all equal' meme is entrenched in both the dominant religion and political position of our time(which distinction is increasingly blurry).

There is absolutely nothing you can do to make them question it. Their minds are simply not capable of formulating the thought 'what is the evidence for and against race differences.'

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:15:05 2019 No.14409728 >>14409696 Why is it that nearly everytime a "debunking" post on /lit/ like this is written, the OP never actually makes any arguments?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:16:37 2019 No.14409737 >>14409696 charles murray is considered fringe within his field

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:18:12 2019 No.14409745 >>14409696 Ryan, where are more videos?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:22:11 2019 No.14409765 This is a literature board

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:23:16 2019 No.14409771

always been curious about this book

here's a request to its adherents and opponents ITT: actually discuss the book and the standards of evidence it is reliant upon, instead of having meta-conversations about racism/antiracism on the internet.

t. someone who actually wants to read the book, not to witness a meaningless catfight between racists/antiracists about whether some blog article or youtube e-celebrity is cool or not

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:24:33 2019 No.14409777 Socioeconomic factors are to prevaleant to say it for sure, I personally wouldnt be surprised though their enviroment didnt need deep thinkers in most cases

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:25:26 2019 No.14409785 >>14409696 didn't some left tuber put out a 2 hr debunking of this just a little while ago?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:26:48 2019 No.14409791

>>14409696
>many leftists are not interested in what the truth actually is, but rather in projecting their own rigid and dogmatic perspective onto the world, choosing to acknowledge only evidence that supports this perspective.

Yes, but this is by no means exclusive to "leftists".
Other people have their own myths and dogmas.

Most people value morality more than science or philosophy. It takes a certain amount of effort and potential pain to question your beliefs and tribal alliances.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:30:30 2019 No.14409808 >>14409791 Morality is philosophy.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:31:44 2019 No.14409816

>>14409777
Nice trips. Not OP but we can predict population IQ just through genome wide association studies at 91% accuracy.
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308783343_A_review_of_intelligence_GWAS_hits_their_relationship_to_country_IQ_and_the_issue_of_spatial_autocorrelation
With this in mind, what does that say about the socioeconomic factors with high correlation to IQ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:32:10 2019 No.14409821 >>14409696 Because it's been dubunked

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:35:28 2019 No.14409834 >debunk I hate this word so fucking much. dunk debunk owned epic style with facts and logic based based based

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:36:39 2019 No.14409838
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>>14409808
What I mean is that people have inherent and subconscious moral/ideological impulses that direct their thought processes.

Pic related talks about this. Well worth reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:38:57 2019 No.14409850 >>14409821 it's a very annoying word. What it means is always 'someone presented a counter-argument'

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:41:38 2019 No.14409861

>Why can't one say "I love my black neighbors despite what may be biological differences and hope to work to create a better world for us all?"
Because that is never how it goes and there is always a racist impulse behind. Science isn't something that finds objective truths that were in hiding. Human forces are always behind our endeavors. We are always shaping our so called truths.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:44:50 2019 No.14409881

>>14409861
This is such a copout. It isnt even internally consistent, 'human forces are always behind our endeavors' is itself a statement about reality that pretends to objective truth, otherwise the person saying it can just be accused of doing so for ulterior motives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:46:03 2019 No.14409890 >Wtf you can't hold that view it's been DEBUNKED! It's invalid, you can't think this! Help, police!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:47:58 2019 No.14409906 >>14409881 All we have is our own perspective. Reality is shaped by relations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:48:05 2019 No.14409907 >>14409838 Just read Nietzsche & not some beta tier pop Phil writer

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:50:43 2019 No.14409918 >>14409838 Seconding this book, it's pretty good as an introduction. I loaned out my copy to some friend of a friend who hasn't given it back yet.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:51:12 2019 No.14409920

>>14409834
signs of a pseud:
>um that's been DEBUNKED
>um i just REFUTED you

both imply undeniable faits accomplis, i.e. they deny the agency of the interlocutor by appeal to some kind of objective and immediately accessible standard of right/wrong

it has the exact same logical form as this:
>A: that dog is cute
>B: no it isn't
>A: um, YES it IS?? :S?????
>B: but.. i don't think it is... i disagree with you... we're at an impasse
>A: no we aren't. for you see, the dog truly IS cute, and you truly are wrong, while i am truly right. that's just the way it IS, objectively, and there is no dispute or rebuke possible, the end.

it's a meaningless thing to say, it's just a recursion. it's like someone said "I think that A=B" and when asked to justify it they went "Well, I think that it is a fact that A=B" and when asked to justify that they went "It's a fact that it's a fact that A=B." the other person can still always go "i disagree with THAT, though," which is an invitation to dialogue.

if your brain thinks in terms of "but i REFUTED you" or "but the position 'X' has already been DEBUNKED," you are not just obtuse or arrogant, you are extremely stupid, you are revealing that you have a deficient conception of what truth even means. you are tacitly revealing that you think truth is universally accessible, but only to YOU, and any time someone else contradicts the truth which you directly access, it doesn't mean there is at least a possibility that you are mistaken, it simply means they need to be brought to heel. if someone does any variation on this, it instantly reveals that they never reached cognitive maturity, some kind of piagetian or kojevian stage of full conceptual awareness that one's own concepts are always "as if" objectively true, but that the way dialogue works is necessarily that the OTHER guy's concepts are always "as if" objectively true as well, and this is precisely what is so interesting about dialogue, because sometimes both people are convinced they are "self-evidently" right even though they think mutually contradictory things.

appeals to authority or flat statements of "but that's wrong though" or "but i am actually right and you are actually wrong though" or cavalier use of statements like "i refuted you" (because refutation tacitly implies the agreement of the "refuted" party that the position was refuted; it's obvious by the very definition of refutation that no one would ever agree they were "refuted" so long as the disagreement in question is still in question) instantly signal that someone is fucking braindead.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:52:31 2019 No.14409925

Post modernists say this is why the endgame of all rationalism is fascism
You can always find difference between races and justify it using loose reasoning and cherry picked statistics and idealogues will never be able to resist the urge to do so
Society itself is a leap of faith that we have taken despite racial difference in order to avoid the psychotic genocides of the past

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 11:58:28 2019 No.14409948 >>14409907 Cool it with the elitism. It still has a lot to teach to anyone who talks about contemporary politics. If every poltard or reddit tranny read the book, the quality of discussions would go up 500%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:00:59 2019 No.14409965 >>14409920 High IQ post

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:04:06 2019 No.14409978 >>14409925 >implying fascism is bad >implying Society ™ didn't exist before Neoliberalism

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:04:21 2019 No.14409981
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>>14409771
You can't really have a discussion about it, despite what people would have you believe "The Bell Curve" is accepted scientific fact, all criticism of it is solely focused on the assumptions made by people that aren't the authors.

Hilariously the critics theses videos rely either taught pseudo-scientific hoodoo, aren't scientists or are racialists themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:08:47 2019 No.14409992 >>14409981 >despite what people would have you believe "The Bell Curve" is accepted scientific fact it wasn't even peer reviewed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:10:32 2019 No.14409999 >>14409978 It is bad. Fascism and all right wing forms of organization are tasteless wonderless hellscapes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:13:43 2019 No.14410008 https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo imagine being interested in a book so shitty fucking Shaun of all people can demolish it

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:14:26 2019 No.14410009 >>14409992 All the people that would review it are dogmatic leftists like OP talks about.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:16:00 2019 No.14410015

>>14409920
>both imply undeniable faits accomplis, i.e. they deny the agency of the interlocutor by appeal to some kind of objective and immediately accessible standard of right/wrong
cringe. this is the part of kant that sucks. idgaf about your "autonomy"

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:04 2019 No.14410018 File: 69 KB, 1066x600, wojakretard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14410008 >posting this as if it's something new even though the OP is an image of the fucking thumbnail >DEMOLISHED Pseud detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:26 2019 No.14410021 >>14409992 >I-It wasn't peer reviewed! Straight Outta Reddit. I've gotta ask though, why have this weird idea that all "accepted" or influential works are peer reviewed before publishing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:17:44 2019 No.14410024 >>14410009 Or the reason it won't get peer reviewed is people afraid to lose their career.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:18:07 2019 No.14410028
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>>14409737
According to skullshaun Murray probably thought the black-white IQ gap was 60% heritable. This is well within the mainstream scientific opinion in a field where the median estimate psychometricians give is 50%.

18% of people in the field hold the opinion that it's 0. Pure environmentalism is the fringe, dogmatic view.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289619301886

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:21:37 2019 No.14410045 >>14410009 >>14410021 >>14410024 >>14410024 then it isn't scientific fact, as that requires peer review. that is how modern science functions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:21:44 2019 No.14410047 >>14410028 How can people possibly believe there's 0 heritability in intelligence when autism is genetic? that shit don't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:22:42 2019 No.14410053 >>14410045 scientific fact requires replication, not peer review. Common misunderstanding from brainwashed retards

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:22:47 2019 No.14410054 >>14410045 Ya'll realize entire scientific fields are built on non-peer reviewed books right?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:22:56 2019 No.14410056

>>14409710
It baffles me how people can honestly think that groups who exist in radically different climates and environments around the world would evolve over thousands of years to have the same cognitive abilities. If that were the case, it would be a biological miracle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:23:44 2019 No.14410058 >>14410028 Who are these 18 percent and do any put forth good arguments? I’d imagine the majority or historians or other experts in convenient fields are retards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:23:48 2019 No.14410059 >>14410053 >scientific fact requires replication Laughs in psychology.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:24:14 2019 No.14410061 >>14409728 /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:24:27 2019 No.14410062 >>14410053 actually strict replication isn't possible in fields like this because there is no such thing as a control group.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:26:51 2019 No.14410073 3 hour long debunk of this debunk https://www.bitchute.com/video/vKXgmnuFMgU/ Short debunk of this debunk https://youtu.be/8eUTg3mcPtA

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:31:07 2019 No.14410097 >>14409861 >Science isn't something that finds objective truths that were in hiding it is though

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:31:08 2019 No.14410098 Has anyone comments on Taleb's criticism of Murray?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:31:26 2019 No.14410099 >>14410073 Both of those guys are literal retards

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:33:27 2019 No.14410114 >>14410099 JFG literally has a doctorate in this field.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:33:48 2019 No.14410117 >>14410099 Ok then post alt-hypes video

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:34:19 2019 No.14410123

>>14409925
>Society itself is a leap of faith that we have taken despite racial difference in order to avoid the psychotic genocides of the past

Well, there are other reasons to hide racial differences, for example purely selfish economic reasons. Or just the fact that you have to cope with reality, so you might as well lie to yourself.

Also, most people in the past didn't know much about different races, because they didn't interact with them and couldn't imagine what future societies would look like. And some of the discoveries (IQ...) are very recent and inaccessible to the masses.

You're assigning too much agency to society, although I agree that you always have to make some compromises to keep the peace. Every society does, even the Nazis weren't super eugenic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:34:50 2019 No.14410125 >>14410114 So?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:35:49 2019 No.14410134 >>14410125 Wtf I hate intellectuals and scientists now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:36:43 2019 No.14410141 >>14409999 >implying Fascism is "right wing" and not Third Position >implying Fascism isn't the only quasi-relevant political conception that isn't 100% materialist I bet you think brutalism is inspiring

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:36:54 2019 No.14410142 >>14409925 >loose reasoning and cherry picked statistics buddy it is literally all the available statistics pretty much. If there were studies showing racial equality they'd be paraded around constantly

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:40:23 2019 No.14410174

>>14409906
That isn't an answer... Anon pointed out that your line of reasoning is self-detonating, and the best you can do is this vague nonsense? Pathetic.

>>14409925
So neoliberals and communists don't similarly employ rationalism? You're full of it (and so are post modernists).

Assuming you're specifically talking about multi-racial societies (otherwise you're just an idiot), they're products of complacency and liberalism, not faith. Historically, they tend not to end well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:41:01 2019 No.14410177 >>14410114 He has it in neuroscience and the guy is a mong https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jean-Fran%C3%A7ois_Gari%C3%A9py

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:41:42 2019 No.14410181 >>14410177 >rationalwiki

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:43:21 2019 No.14410188

>>14410174
>That isn't an answer... Anon pointed out that your line of reasoning is self-detonating, and the best you can do is this vague nonsense? Pathetic
It is an answer. You just don't get what that entails. His view is flimsy. Science is just one of the tools we have within our experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:46:27 2019 No.14410205 >>14410141 >>14410141 >Third position Right wing It isn't relevant today and most of them are just puppets now in the spectacle playing around with their ideology

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:46:34 2019 No.14410206 >in bad faith If we lynched everyone that ever used this word seriously, the quality of discourse in society and academia would increase by at least 300%.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:49:35 2019 No.14410218 https://www.nytimes.com/1977/03/27/archives/new-light-on-black-iq.html Here's a great challenge to the genetic argument for race and iq, in good faith, no ad hominem, from a black professor at Stanford.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:51:30 2019 No.14410224 >>14410218 >nytimes neoliberal shill >black low iq. has nothing worth saying.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:56:27 2019 No.14410245

>>14410188
Empiricism is our only conduit to knowledge. If you don't think knowledge is possible, you shouldn't be making logical claims. All you've done is post some quasi-skeptic platitudes, relying on vagueness to obscure your utter lack of logical response.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:57:18 2019 No.14410249 >>14410218 >>14410224 It’s Thomas sowell lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 12:58:00 2019 No.14410250 >>14410245 I am a radical empiricist

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:08:40 2019 No.14410288 >>14410245 >Empiricism is our only conduit to knowledge. What empirical evidence do you have to support this?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:10:16 2019 No.14410296 File: 342 KB, 1668x906, 0257F56D-D3CB-4079-9820-2BCF4C556909.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409696 Because we know so little about this topic that anyone can spin it in favor of his political agenda

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:13:01 2019 No.14410303 >>14410288 You have a body that perceives and feels sensations that is interconnected and has relations with the world around you. Our experience is a complex process full of meaning. I am>>14410250

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:17:00 2019 No.14410319 >>14410303 That doesn't tell that the body or empirical means are the only way to gain knowledge. Mathematical and logical truths would still exist if we and the entire universe were nothing but disembodied spirits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:23:35 2019 No.14410343 File: 35 KB, 438x684, A9FD6A38-ADB0-4D5C-9895-0414C6FF4A70.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14410250 Radical empiricism has been disproved by Kant, every information is processed and organized by your brain using a priori categories

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:26:46 2019 No.14410363 >>14410319 Which comes from pure abstract ideas that work problematically and regulatively but have no absolute bearing within our muddled concrete reality which they stem from.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:30:02 2019 No.14410382 >>14410363 You understand that you're arguing in a circle, right?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:30:34 2019 No.14410387

>>14410343
>Radical empiricism has been disproved by Kant
Other way around bud. Kant mistakes the self-evident reality of consciousness for a self-grounding substance. The transcendental facts of cognition are not enough to authorize cognition as the author of nature. The mind is emergent within a larger totality: nature. More to the point, it's an extremely complex output of that field, but again, just one output out of many, human consciousness doesn't have ontological priority over the prehensive centers of simpler organisms. The human mind is simply just one type of funnel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:32:24 2019 No.14410398 >>14410382 Where does 1+1=2 have an eternal bearing in concrete reality? The concrete should always be priority.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:34:33 2019 No.14410407

>>14409696
I'm a left-leaning social liberal who is wholly opposed against racism, white supremacism and ethnic nationalism, and I believe there are meaningful differences in intelligence between races. I believe differences in intelligence explain some part of the difference in development of different societies, and that therefore the intelligence of Africans has some influence in their current state of development.

The reason most progressives reject such idea beforehand is because people who vocally push for it are nearly always racist or at least outspoken conservatives. Naturally, people become hostile to ideas when they are so strongly correlated with people who they deeply disagree with. Same reason why American conservatives are deeply in denial about global warming.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:35:17 2019 No.14410410

>>14410059
not science.

>>14410047
because non-zero heritability means there is non-zero evidence for discrimination. If it was non-zero then you would enter the dramatically more subjective realm of where to draw the line for discrimination. It being 0 is simply easier for them to maintain their world view than any other value, even at 100% it would be up for debate if its a basis for discrimination or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:36:51 2019 No.14410420 >>14410387 The human mind has so many a priori thinking patterns(not derived from any prior experience) that seeing it as tunnel which understands reality through trial and error is simply wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:41:54 2019 No.14410438 >>14410420 We have no a priori thinking patterns, our thinking always expresses how things relate to one another.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:42:38 2019 No.14410444

Just like the educational system in America scratches its head why even poor all White parts of America like West Virginia do as well in school as countries like Germany, but even the most well funded of black schools like those in Harlem still fall below average. The theory is "waiting for Superman" as they try to desperately discover how they're failing at teaching the colored.

Never can the option that race can play a role is allowed to exist. Much like a religious dogma, they repeat "we're all one race, the human race!".

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:43:07 2019 No.14410448 >>14410420 funnel*

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:50:21 2019 No.14410502

>>14410218
not 1 citation for the 1920's IQ tests. Yikes.

Furthermore, referencing small secluded groups of whites as lower IQ does nothing for his argument. Those small villages also have low genetic diversity so if IQ *was* genetic then an unintelligent secluded village would remain unintelligent. He's trying to point at extremely rural whites and say "we're just like them!" while talking about blacks living in cities with social programs and modern tech out the ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:51:41 2019 No.14410510 >>14409920 Imageboards are a choir of faceless idiots screaming into the void. What else did you expect. Thoughtful engaging posts like yours are outliers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 13:52:33 2019 No.14410514 >>14410438 There is an example of one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:01:11 2019 No.14410561 >>14410514 ?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:34:10 2019 No.14410713

>>14410245
Wrong. Reason is the conduit of knowledge. Experience only provides data, which needs to be put together by a rational process, and the logic through which experience is assembled into empirical knowledge itself can only depend on pre-experiential knowledge.

Anything else is pure autism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:35:18 2019 No.14410719 >>14409785 if you call whining and pearl clutching with minor criticisms of scientific methodology despite no evidence for his own claims 'debunking' then yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:38:25 2019 No.14410742 >>14410713 Reason always acts within the realms of relational experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:47:53 2019 No.14410787 debunk my fucking dick lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:53:03 2019 No.14410810 >>14410742 Not always, just 99% of the time. Metaphysical beliefs are pre-experiential but are at the basis of all further beliefs, including that of the validity of experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:55:00 2019 No.14410816 >>14410810 http://ppquimby.com/alan/prehen.htm

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 14:58:32 2019 No.14410837 >>14410810 And metaphysics is constructed through experience

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 15:10:58 2019 No.14410883 >>14410206 Alot of Jews and liberals actually use dishonest arguments to undermine white identity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 15:30:35 2019 No.14410954 >>14410883 I can't tell who's false flagging and who is a literal retard anymore

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:28:33 2019 No.14411264

>>14409771
I bought it and read it because I was curious after seeing all the outrage.
Here's the thing: the book isn't about race at all.

The central thesis of the book is that society is continually moving towards professions that require higher intelligence, leaving those with lower natural intelligence at a disadvantage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:34:05 2019 No.14411291 >>14409920 hello? genius department?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:38:49 2019 No.14411316 >>14410008 what arguments does this "guy" make?

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:46:46 2019 No.14411355

Modern leftism is founded on luciferian ideas of inverting heirarchy. The free masons and their philosophers, such as rosseau, seek to place power into the hands of the People. That means that the power over social ethics belongs to the people, truth notwithstanding. Generations of this practice has convinced people that truth is a function of consesus and personal feelings are the means by which truth is to be decided. This is the root of post modernism and is why leftists refuse to acknowledge reality.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:51:44 2019 No.14411376

>>14409771
I read about a third of it. Tests are predictors. It predicts performance in a given field. After realizing that there is a correlation between math test results and language test results, a general average can be calculated, this being "g" for general intelligence. IQ tests have proven their utility in predicting performance, and a century of testing has produced very uniform results with regards to racial averages, indicating its reliabiltiy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 16:52:54 2019 No.14411384 >>14409777 The Bell Curve argues that socioeconomics are a result of IQ rather than vice versa

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:17:22 2019 No.14411498 >>14409696 Leftism operates on egalitarian Christian ethics and a dualist view of man, where the soul is independent from the body.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:28:50 2019 No.14411559 >>14409696 Althype has completely btfo this clown

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:38:28 2019 No.14411603 >>14409808 >>14409838 explain nihilists then

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:39:07 2019 No.14411608 >>14411498 If leftists had any standard for souls they wouldn't be pro-abortion. They simply have no logical basis and operate off whatever makes them feel good at a given time

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:41:16 2019 No.14411619 >>14411498 Extremely low IQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:50:41 2019 No.14411660 >>14411264 >the book isn't about race at all you didn't read it

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 17:53:04 2019 No.14411671

Clearly, if you're not trolling, you didn't pay much attention to the video or watch the whole thing. I thought Shaun did a surprisingly good job of not resorting to ad homs. He looks at several of the studies cited in The Bell Curve and explains why he doesn't think they are good evidence. And based on the information he presents, I'm inclined to agree with him.

In my opinion, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that there are genetic traits related to certain ethnic groups that would make them on average more or less intelligent, but we should also recognize that much of the data collected to support such a relationship was collected in a biased way, and that the research was politically motivated. Maybe that sounds like a centrist cop-out to you, but to me that's the truly agnostic response, so to speak, to this debate. An unbiased, in-depth investigation into this area has yet to take place. I think if we dispense with the race model and look at different models for geographic human variation based in biological anthropology, we may get somewhere to understanding what the real relationship is between these different ethnic groups and intelligence.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:21:36 2019 No.14411820

>>14411608
Don't take it too literally. And abortion is a complicated topic.
The general sentiment that drives both Christianity and leftism is that every person is fundamentally worth the same.
This is how they achieve mass appeal and how they recruit people who are, by other metrics, considered to be worth less.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 18:24:39 2019 No.14411828 Do anti-racists get a little dopamine hit every time they virtue signal, or do they really give a fuck about other people? I doubt they care, considering they do all their signalling from the ivory tower that is the suburban white middle class.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:46:26 2019 No.14412205

>>14409920
>tldr: "You shouldn't say 'You're wrong', but rather 'I think that you're wrong', because otherwise you're a self-absorbed meanie."
yeah, galaxy brain
>truth is universally accessible, but only to YOU
theoretically universal accessibility=/=concrete and successful access in that particular case by the other party

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 19:53:40 2019 No.14412240

>>14411671

Response to this video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vKXgmnuFMgU/
https://youtu.be/8eUTg3mcPtA

A very good summary of the topic using Hill rules of causal inference
https://humanvarieties.org/2019/12/22/the-persistence-of-cognitive-inequality-reflections-on-arthur-jensens-not-unreasonable-hypothesis-after-fifty-years/#3_Bradford_Hill_criteria_and_the_black-white_gap

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:03:38 2019 No.14412286 >>14410561 Pretty much the human brain has several innate thinking patterns and that is an example of one of the many

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:21:46 2019 No.14412371
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here's an easy way to debunk the book

change exists
humans have evolved into what they are now
western/northern european were barbarian without civilization or written language 2500 years ago
christianity got kicked out of the middle east by islam while turks, arabs, and other middle easterners went around enslaving european
100 years ago african were getting lynched and not allowed basic human dignity but now they're on television making hundreds of millions of dollars and being culturally dominant

does that seem random? it's not. it's called reality. you see, the reality is iq doesn't matter. it's a arbitrary test to attempt to gauge something it can't accurately quantify. what matters in reality is being the winner not having a high score on test a random mongoloid makes.

see? we just established reality. now, what does your book matter for anything? well, it's simply cope and revisionism. it's an attempt to retroactively revise reality of the winner and a way for losers to rationalize why they're "better". even if they're worse in every aspect according to reality.

this book matters because you're not successful at life. if you were a billionaire then as long as low iq people are useful so-called "race" doesn't matter because it's decided if they're useful or not. but, you're not a billionaire. you're some fat, ugly, low iq incel. therefore, you want to try and rally around "race" to increase your own status and attempt to gain some monetary benefits. it won't work, stupid. instead, there will be lots of very intelligent, attractive, and wealthy people from "low iq" race completely dominating you.

yeah, dominating you. you can't do shit about it either. right, and because change exists it means it doesn't matter if the iq is higher now, but later it necessarily be. right-- if x y z genes are so great, then you just need to active them in other races. therefore, your racial crap is pseudo-science for incels. go take your meds, jerk off, and cry yourself to sleep.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:43:56 2019 No.14412458 >>14412371 Static basic truisms and then following them up with baseless psychologizing about the motivations and psyche of the authors doesn't refute scientific trends no matter how many unrelated anime pictures you post.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:56:05 2019 No.14412502
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>>14412458
the statistical average of an arbitrary test doesn't have anything to do with scientific trends retard incel.

>nooooo, it explains they're worse and i'm better! it's scientific!!!
lol. change exists, dumb fuck. it doesn't matter if x worse now because you can't prove they won't be better than y in the future. what matters is if you have the qualification, money, and status NOW. but, as an incel, you're trying to rally people together under "race" because you don't have qualification, money, or status and want to get your superiors to throw you some bread crumbs.

they won't. ever. you can include yourself in any imaginary group of successful people, but they won't ever include you in their group. instead of going for low hanging fruits like race you should try and be more elitist in your imaginary superiority. try making a billionaire club in your imagination and joining that

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 20:57:04 2019 No.14412506

>>14412240
I didn't focus enough when I listen the first Podcast, and 2/3 of Black pigeon right now. I rather go back to read then seeing another one by alt hypothesis.

Can you give a particular part of these three, where they give counterarguments on two major arguments shaun has given?

1. Heavy dependence on Richard Lynn, whose data had Heavy dependence on South africa at Apartheid, with flaws in test
2. Reducing entire enviormental factor to parental factor, making it "harshly" imperfect, and gives a book vulnerability such as counterargument on determining one's success, such as a graph in 1:48:40 in shaun's video sourced in the response book of bell curve at the past.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:02:10 2019 No.14412531

>>14409861
The issue here is that political groups are using disparities in wealth, that are the product of intelligence differences, as justification to plunder more productive groups. As long as this jealous mentality exists, white separatism will be the only moral solution

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:12:57 2019 No.14412570
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>>14412371
IQ is one of the best predictors of lifetime financial success, academic success, life expectancy, the list goes on. It is one of the most well supported concepts in psychometrics. Just because things are in flux across thousands of years doesnt mean they cannot be measured at the present moment, you dysphoric retard. Please learn basic English before ever posting seriously on this board ever again. The fact that you've even managed to navigate this site is incredible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:17:19 2019 No.14412582 >>14409696 There is indeed an IQ gap between 'races'. I'm more interested in the psychological causes behind them though, which is what's holding the debate from having a winner and not closing the debate for good.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:19:03 2019 No.14412593

>>14412570
good job putting the cart in front of the horse you low iq retard incel. people aren't successful because they have a high iq they're successful and have a high iq fucking retard. the point is being successful you lowlife not having a high iq. you and other trash like you don't decide the rules of the game or how it's played.

you're just a pathetic loser trying to rationalize why you're better than other people while being a loser.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:20:47 2019 No.14412602 >>14412570 iq is a meme for redditors

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:37:04 2019 No.14412672 transhumanism is right on the horizon so who gives shit desu

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:41:40 2019 No.14412697

>>14412672
all the low iq schizo christian reactionary incel because this is how they can try to get some self-worth and larp they're better.

they think they're magic and invoke all sorts of schizo theories inside their head which they don't mention publicly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:43:23 2019 No.14412702 wow what a fantastic waste of my time skimming through this thread was

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:46:43 2019 No.14412718 File: 386 KB, 1427x701, 1542446555296.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14409696 because whites cant handle the truth

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 21:55:30 2019 No.14412759 >>14409948 nah, that's a midwit book. i would rather the board be full of retards than midwits. go to reddit if you want midwittery

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:15:43 2019 No.14412835 >>14409696 >bad faith This isn't a thing, and it shouldn't matter. If your worldview can't stand up to rhetoric, it's worthless no matter how much the person using it actually believers it. Stop it with the lazy dismissal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:15:43 2019 No.14412836 >>14412718 Literally every white race-realist I have ever met has agreed that Jews and Asians had higher iqs than whites. I've met WN's who denied iq, but everyone who accepts IQ accepts the racial differences.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:17:44 2019 No.14412843

>>14410056
This is exactly what James Watson said and despite having won the fucking Nobel he got pilloried in the media and lost his job for it.
A fucking Nobel laureate, speaking on a subject within his field, about which he certainly knows vastly more than almost all of his critics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:18:01 2019 No.14412844 >>14412836 how come everytime i post that image some whiteoid gets triggered beyond measure then hehehe

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:19:00 2019 No.14412851 >>14412836 Asians in general don't. Japanese do, and Singaporeans, and Chinese statistics are suspect to no surprises, but Asians in general are roughly equal to whites in general

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:25:23 2019 No.14412878 >>14409992 Essentially it was. Every relevant expert has read it since release and there has been a massive amount of discussion about the book's content. also, "peer review" as a system is not exactly stellar at its job.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:30:30 2019 No.14412904 >>14412593 Learn to write, hole

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:33:48 2019 No.14412915

>>14409696
Youre talking about people who pick up ideas and run with them because their new and catchy while fully accepting whats told to them by media and public mouth pieces while they guzzle down sugary coffee like the spoilt children in Willy Wonkas Nigger Factory.
The same people who believe they are for the common man and yet hate their beliefs and the flag it flies under, when their best friends are Lev, Tyrone and Gip, they live in a white bubble, share a flat with other whites in cardboard hen houses while their landlord ShekelStein takes 90% of their daily bread and the ones they blame are selfish whites in the country who elected a Jew/Jesuit to office instead of a corrupt, power hungry Wamen

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:35:52 2019 No.14412922 I think it's because they know that if populations are unequal, they'll shift from leftism into eugenic practices and be advocating for a hierarchy, and that will crumble all their leftism.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:37:05 2019 No.14412928

>>14412836
I really want to know how they think because I'm from that "high-IQ" asian country.
How do they explain high-IQ on asians?
Firstly, how do they explain why Jews can manipulate the world, but asians can't?
Secondly, how do they explain IQ scores have exponentially grown over time in asian country?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:39:20 2019 No.14412933 >>14412915 guy talks shit about swallowing media propaganda from one side of his mouth with spouting the 4chan starter pack from the other zero self awareness desu

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:43:57 2019 No.14412954

>>14412933
Liberalism won against facism and communism, therefore the herd follows the current paradigm, that paradigm however leads to a facist state through capitlism and people are rejecting it meaning the state has to work overtime to stop the leaks, but they keep on increasing, the internet caused the most damage and they are hoping of using G5 to create a closed network that closes competition for news and propaganda.
Neck yourself

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:45:32 2019 No.14412958

>>14409696
Leftists are shit at dissecting corporate propaganda now that it’s woke. In fact, their actions indicate siding with corporations while acting as their police for racism etc. (as long as the racism isn’t pro-Jewish racism, and as long as things are done behind closed doors rather than out in the open)

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:47:22 2019 No.14412967 >>14409785 “Um wow seriously? Also here’s an extreme interpretation of what the book could lead to therefore wow [unsaid assumption that the book is wrong]”

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:47:46 2019 No.14412969 literally nobody outside america cares about IQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:48:23 2019 No.14412971 >>14409838 >New York Times readers >”wow this really is what conservatives are like”

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:53:58 2019 No.14412991 >>14412969 >IQ tests started in France, Asian countries have exams based in IQ exams

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:55:23 2019 No.14413000

>>14409992
The studies which formed the empircal basis of the statements in the book were though, and there was that whole APA reaction that was published which, in spite of some posturing, doesn't really dispute it.

In any event, the evidence that's been gathered since the book was published has only made the case stronger. IQ is 'real', racial differences are real, IQ is strongly heritable (even higher than Murray thought at the time even) and the racial differences in IQ are a result of their genes, essentially.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:55:34 2019 No.14413004

>>14412928
>Firstly, how do they explain why Jews can manipulate the world, but asians can't?
Jews don't manipulate the whole world, they manipulate Western countries to some degree, because they can blend in and have high in-group solidarity. For example, Spain in the Inquisition era had a problem with crypto-Judaism, where Jews would pretend to convert to Catholicism to gain power, sometimes for generations.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 22:56:25 2019 No.14413006

>>14412969
I mean, technically speaking, some asians do
We are kinda boasting about it, I often saw news article like "Why do students in our country have a hatred in mathematics even though our country have the highest IQ scores?" Even though near every students stuck at school until 11 pm
Near nobody knows this sort of thing has racial issue.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:09:20 2019 No.14413064 >>14412954 hate to break it to ya thar bud but 4chan is the mainstream of fascist media and propaganda and fascism is a death cult

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:20:52 2019 No.14413106

>>14413004
every single one of those retard losers doesn't expect the result of iq = intelligence and ability. you always add cope and your schizo internal world to you by adding stuff about how it isn't valid or they're cheating.

you will say intelligence isn't related to creativity iq so whites are more special than asians. you will then say blacks being creativity doesn't count because iq and "art". asian/jewish art doesn't count as "creative" though. you will twist yourself into pretzels to justify your schizo worldviews that only exist to try and rationalize why you're better than people are, in reality, better than you.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:35:36 2019 No.14413170

>>14412933
The difference is that 4chan is a discussion forum and media propaganda is forced on you from birth and controlled by very specific interests.

Whatever astroturfing takes place on 4chan, it's on the same footing as anything else. At least people here are making something resembling real choices, based on their own engagement with the discourse. You are comparing that with brainwashing that takes place in educational institutions from kindergarten to academia, in all media (both state-sponsored and consumer), in art, in government policy, international funds dedicated to astroturfing social media and lobbying governments, etc., etc., and all of this is monopolized by a fairly small class of interrelated and often intermarried technocrats. You're being a disingenuous faggot and a shitty leftist if you are one, since a leftist is supposed to critique precisely this kind of ossified ideological structure, let alone the omni-superstructure of neoliberalism it has become. Against that you pit "ummm sweetie, zoomers on 4chan aren't being as critical as they could be of the latest 4chan trends, because they want to fit in with the crowd." No shit. Terrible comparison.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:39:06 2019 No.14413181

>>14413106
You're the only one contorting yourself into casuistries. Stop trying to score "gotchas" on the epic internet racists you hate and try having an actual discussion. You think you are changing that guy's mind? He has a fairly straightforward view which has some pretty strong evidence in favour of it, and he's earnestly telling you this view (a virtue of 4chan, by the way). If you actually made him question his beliefs, he would.

Instead you just sperg out and stand up valiantly for the neoliberal champagne socialist party line. Give a positive counter of his position: Jews have enormous amounts of influence in Western countries and crypto-Judaism is a part of their success.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:44:14 2019 No.14413204

>>14413170
>Whatever astroturfing takes place on 4chan, it's on the same footing as anything else
people with ability and knowledge are few. they're actively doing things in real life and don't spend all day on 4chan. people with schizophrenia and nothing going for them in life can spend all day spamming their asinine dribble in maniac episodes pretending to be numerous people. there's entire topics which aren't possible to discuss on 4chan because whenever they're mentioned crazy individuals go into the thread and spam it.

you're deluded. 4chan is filled with losers who spam their fantasies all day regardless of how contrary to reality it is.

Anonymous Tue Dec 24 23:53:51 2019 No.14413243

>>14413204
I think the overwhelming majority of regular users of this site would probably say the exact opposite, that normie discourse is the most stifling and stagnant garbage imaginable, and that normies seem to be barely sentient and barely individuated. They would probably say that the entire reason they come to 4chan is that here they can be honest, they can see other people being honest, and that people often do effortpost in ways that may jokingly be called "autistic" but at least it goes beyond normies repeating shibboleths they heard on fucking Twitter.

Against this you're saying that 4chan is full of deranged people who by necessity have nothing interesting to say because they're not COOL! and HIP! enough to be OUT DOING THINGS :D LIKE GOING TO THE NEW PROHIBITION-THEMED SPEAKEASY BAR ON THE WEST END!!! :P DID YOU SEE THE NEW MOVIE?? And that there are people who pretend to be several posters.

A charitable reading of your post is that it's unconvincing and stupid, and the average 4chan user's perspective of 4chan is more interesting. A more critical reading of your post is that you're actually the one who seems mildly schizo. And in a tragic way too, because apparently the nature of your paranoia is just that you think anything departing from the normie status quo must be some kind of conspiracy of a few completely crazy people.

I was going to say you stick out like a sore thumb and you should fuck off, but maybe if you lurked for a couple years this place would break whatever normie hymen is in your unconscious mind preventing you from straying off the beaten path of consensus-approved opinions. Just don't post, you fucking suck at it and you come across like a petulant woman trying to natter people into agreeing with you, one who already knows no one is going to listen to her so she just doubles down on her cunty whinging.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:14:59 2019 No.14413325

>>14413243
keep coping retard. people that are actually intelligent don't spend time debating deluded schizo spamming their irrational hot opinions created from their psychosis. they will have their name attached and be somewhere that doesn't allow maniac and uneducated retards to drown their opinion with spam.

if this wasn't an anime website i mistakenly started using a long time ago i'd never read the garbage dumb shits like you say.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:16:16 2019 No.14413336 >leftist stopped reading right there

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:16:42 2019 No.14413340

>>14411603
>explain nihilists then
Most nihilists are really preachy about their nihilism.
You could argue that if you have the conviction that existence is futile, preaching about it so everybody can maximize their pleasure is actually a moral stance.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:17:28 2019 No.14413346

>>14410056
>It baffles me how people can honestly think that groups who exist in radically different climates and environments around the world would evolve over thousands of years to have the same cognitive abilities. If that were the case, it would be a biological miracle.

Could someone who disagrees with this please respond to this specific post? Don't post a video. Don't link to an article. Respond directly to this statement here. I'm not even a /pol/tard, but I've honestly yet to hear anyone even attempt a response to this, and I'd really like to hear it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:22:51 2019 No.14413373

>>14413325
No amount of faggoty gaslighting is going to make your petulant whining any more convincing. No matter what point you're trying to make, you're coming across as an ineffectual little bitch about it.

You want to convince anyone while you're briefly touring 4chan, before you fuck off back to your twitter with 460 followers and tweet something sassy in lowercase about how you love trolling the "manbabies" on 4chan, or whatever gay shit? Try actually making an argument.

>started using a long time ago
translation: "I browsed /b/ as a teenage girl in 2016 and periodically come back here because my numerous medications don't help with the fundamentally boring nature of my FUN! normie college party lifestyle."

Develop a personality other than being a whiny pussy who needs to police others' opinions on Christmas Eve you loser whore. Get a boyfriend.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:30:20 2019 No.14413401

maybe i'm autistic, but i honestly don't see what the big deal is. there are differences between individuals, so it stands to reason that there should be differences between groups, especially groups that have evolved in vastly different contexts over the course of tens of thousands of years. yes, racial distinctions can be fuzzy, yes, racial categories have changed over time, yes, iq is an imperfect or possibly even very flawed metric for measuring intelligence, etc., etc., but this really doesn't refute the possibility of population differences.

besides, do people who are squeamish about intelligence differences doubt that black guys have have bigger dicks or better at sports? why can you so readily accept that black dudes might be working with a little more downstairs but refuse to consider the possibility that us whities might have a little more upstairs?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:31:17 2019 No.14413410

Thread started with saying this debunking video is awful, but gave no arguments with it, time passed and right now everyone is saying political and racial shit here. What the fuck happened here

These are two major arguments shaun provided, can you guys give me some counterarguments on it.
1. Heavy dependence on Richard Lynn, whose data had Heavy dependence on South africa at Apartheid, with flaws in test
2. Reducing entire enviormental factor to parental factor, making it "harshly" imperfect, and gives a book vulnerability such as counterargument on determining one's success, such as a graph in 1:48:40 in shaun's video sourced in the response book of bell curve at the past.
I've been neutral on it, I just want to see how race-realist corresponds to it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:36:16 2019 No.14413431 >>14409765 The Bell Curve isn’t a book? Silly boy.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:42:50 2019 No.14413455

>>14413431
It's not literature as an art form. This belongs in /sci/ or /pol/. It is tasteless pieces of shit like you and whoever responded seriously to this thread that are ruining this board. If you were in front of me right now I would slap you with my glove. Philistines, all of you.
I reported this thread when it was posted and it's still up. The mods are useless pieces of shit.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:45:51 2019 No.14413466

>>14413346
The human mind evolved to be able to adapt extremely variable climates and environments which resulted in the spread and dispersement of human civilization. The cognitive strength of the human mind was determined before humans spread out to multiple areas. That cognitive strength could be either enhanced or stunted based on environment and the social structures that develop after the fact, but to say that there is humans have become too distinct from one another due to where they came from not only outs you as someone who desires to categorize people based on menial terms, but also shows a lack of understanding with the history of human trade and dispersement, in which its foolish to assume that there are any pure humans, for better or for worse, that come from specific regions. The reason that the left doesn't engage in the argument is because its not only racist to begin with, but pointless.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:46:12 2019 No.14413467

>>14409861
This is a dumb way of looking at the world, especially human nature. Nobody, and I mean nobody, looks at an inferior group of people and say ‘let’s kill these dumbos’ as if they were just cattle. Not even the Nazis did that, as they were lead to believe that the Jews were behind the faults of their country. If you’re going to genocide a particular group or race of people, then you fundamentally need to hate that group.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 00:51:53 2019 No.14413488 File: 75 KB, 650x488, 1577253113892.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14410056 WHAT?! No no no no no anon all races are equal! I don’t understand how you could even come to that conclusion! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s1yeBmSFkC4

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:38:09 2019 No.14413634 >>14413466 utter sophistry. typical.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:48:41 2019 No.14413663 >>14409861 One does not hate as long as one has a low esteem of someone, but only when one esteems him as an equal or a superior.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 01:58:05 2019 No.14413692 >>14410125 Based.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:02:26 2019 No.14413707

>>14413466
Races are categories. Categories are human constructions. Categories are pragmatic attempts to organize the infinite complexity of the world into something comprehensible to our tiny human brains. All the abstract arguments about "what is race anyway" can be applied to other categories like colors. "There's no such thing as pure Blueness because all light exists on a spectrum. Therefore we must abolish blueness as an untenable theoretical concept."

Race is a valid system for classification because like color it is *useful.* It allows you to make meaningful distinctions, predictions, ie skin color, ancestry, average IQ, etc. You can call them races, population clusters, wimpibbleytops or whatever the fuck. Humans need a way to classify different types of people and abolishing race (if you could reprogram peoples' tendency to notice these things) would just create the need for a new, functionally identical conception of things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:02:32 2019 No.14413708 >>14413410 Alt Hype made multiple video responses to Shaun's video. https://youtu.be/0Z5CHFUvn1U https://youtu.be/0s47gWHMBK0 https://youtu.be/1fSaWH0SESs

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:11:33 2019 No.14413730 >>14411264 This

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:15:57 2019 No.14413742 File: 105 KB, 527x576, 1568223396582.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw even on /lit/ there's people like this who can only throw out insults and make arguments in bad faith

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:28:38 2019 No.14413771 >>14412836 >Literally every white race-realist I have ever met has agreed that Jews and Asians had higher iqs than whites. lmao

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:43:05 2019 No.14413807

>>14413708
Some key points:

1. On multiple occasions Shaun KNOWINGLY lies about what Murray is saying, on heritability and on the power of IQ's influence on other aspects of a person's life.

2. The Bell Curve came out in 94. If you want to say the research is outdated, attack Lynn etc, ok, but it is beyond convenient that Shaun's choice of target allows him to ignore the interim 25 years of research that have completely vidicated Murray's findings. If shaun knows of this research and didn't mention it, he is a liar and a con artist, but if he doesn't know about it, he's a lazy retard. Either way this video should not have been made.

3. Shaun goes out of his way to smear Murray and portray the hereditarian view as fringe In reality, the race-realist position is far and away the consensus among psychometricians in 2019, and in fact, the trend is towards heritability. Shaun's attempt to turn Murray and Herrnstein into cranks is especially insulting considering how much more knowledgable and accomplished they are than him. Pings as ressentiment to me.

4. Test Bias probably does not explain the IQ gap between blacks and whites and it has in fact been demonstrated that blacks do *better* on a test the more culturally dependent it is. This was indeed true in the case of the ASVAB trigonometry section Shaun used as an example.

5. Yes, the races do differ in skull shape and size. The Mismeasurement of Man guy was a fraud who *lied* about his data in order to slander people doing good, correct science. Maybe it sounds like phrenology to the outsider, but science has not only validated Morton et alls claims, but nowadays people are even researching difference in brain lobe and hemisphere sizes between the races.

All in all shaun is a rhetorician and a bad one. When he isn't flat out lying he's guilty of sins of omission and simple ignorance. He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Hope AltHype his sissy hypno binge and finishes the rest of the series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 02:45:22 2019 No.14413810 >>14412843 This is depressing

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 03:18:02 2019 No.14413879

>>14413410
On the Lynn thing, I don't know much about Lynn's work, but the Bell Curve came out in 94. Assuming he's right, attacking a questionable study or even many studies means nothing with the wealth of research that has come out in support of the hereditarian view since then. In this is the case, Shaun attacks the Bell Curve because it's a convenient effigy to burn, but everyone knows that what he really cares about is scoring an EZ BTFO on Internet Racists and defending his position of environmentalism.

But even if every source in the bell curve was just "[1] My Ass 1995," Shaun is misleading his audience by omitting this subsequent, good, research, which he either doesn't know about or withholds from his viewers.

On the second thing, did you google translate this sentence into English? I don't know what you mean.But if I've guessed right, parents are a huge environmental influence on you, but noone says they're the only one. Murray doesn't. I recall an interview where he says schools matter as an environmental influence on development, which is not even something all hereditarians would agree with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 03:21:32 2019 No.14413885 >>14409728 Hellp Kraut. Hows your day?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 04:28:36 2019 No.14414014 >>14413708 Why should one major counterargument to the video be "It's a pretty well-researched book considering it was made in 94"?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 05:09:01 2019 No.14414080 >>14414014 because it was

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 05:16:06 2019 No.14414089

>>14413401
>there are differences between individuals, so it stands to reason that there should be differences between groups
the big deal is that if you say that exact sentence in an academic setting you’ll be drawn and quartered for it by hysterical ideologues
>why can you so readily accept that black dudes might be working with a little more downstairs but refuse to consider the possibility that us whities might have a little more upstairs?
because all of this “anti racist” rhetoric is ultimately just a guise for anti-white activism

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 05:23:57 2019 No.14414104 >>14413708 >3 hour video meticulously debunking bell curve >altright faggot posts 12 minute clapbacks Why are rightoids such intellectual manlets?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 05:53:19 2019 No.14414151

ITT: Literal caliper-wielding skull-measuring stormfront retards that misunderstand the issue at every conceivable level.

The critics of Charles Murray don't deny a race IQ gap exists. They contend that:
1. Intelligence is not reducible to a single number. 2. Intelligence gap is not primarily genetically based. 3. Intelligence is not immutable. 4. Murray's "research" is mostly guesstimated dogshit from right-wing think tanks. Which is true. In one study the "researcher" mistook the number of participants (85) as the average IQ for the country.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 06:00:10 2019 No.14414158

>>14414151
1. Nobody claims intelligence is reducible to IQ, just that it's our best approximation. It does very well at what it measures, and has many subtests built into the test which anyone who's looked at or taken one knows.
2. This is ridiculous and flies in the face of overwhelming evidence. Intelligence is very heritable. Yes nutrition plays a role, but thinking intelligence is somehow exempt from genetic influence to that extent is totally delusional.
3. This follows only if you assume that it is weakly heritable. Evidence suggests it's strongly heritable though, so intelligence doesn't really change too much aside from nutritional deficiencies etc.
4. Murray isn't even the only one who arrives at this this conclusion, wasn't the first and wasn't the last, because nature simply doesn't make all people unequal in physical ways but then make exemptions for intellectual ability.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 06:03:15 2019 No.14414162 >>14414158 >Evidence suggests it's strongly heritable though not that anon and i dont even disagree really but do you have sauces for that?

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 06:24:26 2019 No.14414190

>>14414162
Are you asking if I have them on hand so we can go and pretend to read an abstract, pretend we're qualified enough to read and evaluate the merits and demerits of an academic study and then criticise it on a Gambian underwater basketweaving forum?
I'm not really invested enough at this time of year desu, but if you look up heritability and intelligence you'll find a lot of information arguing both ways.
One of the simplest arguments in favour of this is simply that the distribution of female intelligence gives far fewer female geniuses and far fewer female idiots. It's like 15:1 male to female or something when you're 3 SD out from average IQ.
This simply doesn't have a good explanation if you want to hold on to intelligence being only weakly heritable. You have to do a lot of hand waving and come up with a bunch of bullshit to avoid the simplest solution which is to just admit that intelligence is heavily genetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 06:26:59 2019 No.14414195 >>14414190 That's not to sound too confrontational or hostile here. Enjoy your Christmas anons, regardless of what side of this debate you're coming from.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 06:47:51 2019 No.14414234

>>14414190
>Are you asking if I have them on hand so we can go and pretend to read an abstract, pretend we're qualified enough to read and evaluate the merits and demerits of an academic study and then criticise it on a Gambian underwater basketweaving forum?
na dawg im just askin for the evidence you said suggested strong heritability, not tryin to read it with you or pretend anything

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 07:28:11 2019 No.14414302 >>14412502 blessed post, sage for cancer thread

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:27:17 2019 No.14414426

>>14413707
Give a better reason for why race is a valid categorization other than humans inherent categorization of things. What you listed, "skin color, ancestry, average IQ," are are arbitrary constructs. If we as a species are so hellbent on categorization, as you say, then we should work towards it in more meaningful ways than race or IQ

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:45:25 2019 No.14414469 >>14411384 Well a history book might debunk that horseshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:46:20 2019 No.14414475 >>14412502 lol you absolute brainlet

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:47:28 2019 No.14414477 >>14414426 you can map populations by genetic similarity, this is objective. Then you can measure these populations by various metrics and note average differences. This incredibly simple concept is apparently too much for people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:50:58 2019 No.14414487 >>14414477 As per my last email, "give a better reason why"

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:51:57 2019 No.14414489 >>14409696 my doodoos come out squish go plop I laughing wipe my butthole

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:53:31 2019 No.14414493 >>14409696 IQ is pseudoscience and means fuck all.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:54:09 2019 No.14414497

>>14414487
I don't know what you're even asking. Human populations exhibit genetic diversity because they were isolated for tens of thousands of years from each other and evolved during that time. You can look at these populations and see how they differ from each other in all sorts of traits, including cognition. This will likely help you understand the behavior of these populations as large groups to some degree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 08:58:24 2019 No.14414508 >>14410407 this actually makes sense. It's retarded, but it makes sense

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:00:26 2019 No.14414514 >>14409696 The leftists are heavy believers in socio-over-bio, idk what you expect from a bunch of people who shill communist propaganda but literally don’t know a single value of it and throw around terms like >alt centrist

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:01:56 2019 No.14414518 >>14414497 Holy shit you retard

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:09:19 2019 No.14414542

>>14414518
You asked for why they're useful categories. Genetic similarity is an objective measure that reflects our evolutionary past, it is quite literally what made us what we are. In medicine it is very important to know this information because humans do in fact differ. IQ has a huge impact on the outcomes of groups, being as it is a proxy for intelligence, which pretty much everyone recognizes as an important thing in life.

Your request for a justification of these concepts as categories is obviously motivated by a distaste for what they show, as it likely conflicts with beliefs or values you have, their use as categories is very clear and relevant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:18:29 2019 No.14414566 >>14412878 >Every relevant expert has read it since release and there has been a massive amount of discussion about the book's content. That is not what peer review means.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:22:16 2019 No.14414581

>>14409992
It wasn't peer reviewer AND the majority of their data came from one army exam not designed to test for IQ. The mask comes off when people rush too quickly to defend the bell curve, it's a joke of a book. Just makes me think they are lazy and maybe indoctrinated from poor sources since there are better works of race science to cite.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:41:25 2019 No.14414632
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>>14412506
Richard Lynn data don't matter so much , you can use Rindermann one who are systemic scholastic test in Africa and it's the same picture, environmental correction assume that environment is causal Wich is false (Mcgue 2007, Odenstad et Al 2008)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:43:18 2019 No.14414642 >>14414104 https://www.bitchute.com/video/vKXgmnuFMgU/

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:47:45 2019 No.14414652 >>14414104 It's easy to respond to something that is almost entirely bullshit strawmen

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 09:51:44 2019 No.14414661 >>14412843 James Watson discovered the structure of DNA; that has nothing to do with the study of intelligence you mouth breather

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:26:32 2019 No.14414776 >>14412967 I don't like Shaun but his points were mostly about methodology and epistemology; he didn't just assume the most extreme interpretation of the book and claim it has bad effects

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:28:50 2019 No.14414788 >>14413000 some of the most relevant studies in the book weren't even IQ tests, but other types of aptitude tests which they assume are testing G. The studies don't support the books conclusions in a vacuum

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:30:42 2019 No.14414792

>>14413879
>But even if every source in the bell curve was just "[1] My Ass 1995," Shaun is misleading his audience by omitting this subsequent, good, research
he is reviewing the book lmao, if the book is shit and you should instead look at new research, write a book on the new research

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:31:41 2019 No.14414795

>>14414661
He didn't even do that. Most of the work was done by Franklin. The Nobel went for understanding how the structure then carried and transferred information, how it replicated all that jazz, which was mostly a combination of Crick and Franklin's work. Watson was the guy that brought them together.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:37:03 2019 No.14414807
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>>14409696
You already know the answer to this. For the past few generations, certain moral presuppositions have been treated as the required end and every scientific, philosophical, and artistic endeavor as a means to justifying those presuppositions. It's been like this since the second World War, when our cultures unified under those presuppositions against the Axis powers. We've been overcompensating against the imagined identitarian caricatures in our societies ever since.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 10:59:01 2019 No.14414859 >>14409696 lmao get rekt IQlets

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:00:25 2019 No.14414862 >>14409696 >all of this coping in the thread fucking rightlets are the most easily offended snowflakes lmao, can't handle FACTS and LOGIC

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:04:33 2019 No.14414877 >>14414862 like the fact that every black population on earth performs terribly. that sort of fact

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:12:25 2019 No.14414899

A lot of Shaun’s arguments were dumb, misleading, or even dishonest, but he made a few strong points like how you can’t use a population’s overall heritability to describe a subgroup’s heritability, since you would be splitting the data set in a way that creates a different causal trend. I also thought the point where discrimination based on a genetic trait could mimic low intelligence genotypes was a good one too. Not unassailable, but definitely a flaw in the hereditarian position, and I’d appreciate if anybody could provide a solid counterargument. Been waiting for Alt Hype for a while now. Maybe one of you guys could fill in the void.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:14:32 2019 No.14414904

>>14414426
You can come up with a virtually infinite number of categories of people. You could divide people based on the day of the week they were born if you wish. And if you discover that people born on Tuesdays score better at IQ tests, it will be a pretty cool discovery.
It doesn't matter if you did that because you're a "Tuesday supremacist". As long as you can demonstrate statistical significance, it's all good. And if people find it interesting and want to talk about it, so be it.

Studying IQ scores in racial categories is the same. The categories are arbitrary, but if we find it interesting we'll do it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 11:32:18 2019 No.14414951 >>14414469 I'm doubtful of that

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:15:42 2019 No.14415077

>>14414104
Skull measurements are relevant science and are still being studied today. Those guys with calipers and birdshot have been vindicated by later researchers, over anti-white frauds like Stephen Jay Gould.

G is arrived at through regression analysis searching for a common factor that drives peoples' performance on different intellectual tasks. It is not supposed to capture all aspects of intelligence, it is found by combining different, more specific measures of it. This general factor is more useful than these other measures like "abstract spacial reasoning" because of its predictive power across domains of a persons life. For example IQ predicts job performance roughly as well as a work sample test. It also correlates with how educated you are *better* than how educated your parents were, and with your income better than your parents income.

https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Intelligence-and-socioeconomic-success-A-meta-analytic-review-of-longitudinal-research.pdf

Intelligence is "mutable?" If someone bashes Einstein's head in he isn't creating a general theory of anything. This is why we have sample sizes and averages.

In the US IQ has a heritability of .8. That means 80% of the difference between individuals is attributable to genes. If you want to say the black-white IQ gap is environmental in origin, bear that in mind and list what you think these causes are and we can debate them, however, preempting a couple things:

IQ tests *are* culturally biased... in favor of blacks, who perform better on IQ tests the more culturally loaded they are. (Though not substantially)

http://arthurjensen.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Black-White-Bias-in-Cultural-and-Noncultural-Test-Items-1987-by-Arthur-Robert-Jensen-Frank-C.-J.-McGurk.pdf

Blacks do slightly better on a given test the more "teachable" it is. However, the races essentially get the same questions wrong. (94-99% of the time)

So when you criticize the practice of using things like the ASVAB or SAT, which are similar to IQ tests, by saying they are culturally loaded and so underpredict minority IQ, bear in mind that what I've said bears out in the way these tests also slightly *overpredict* life success for minorities.

https://research.collegeboard.org/sites/default/files/publications/2012/7/researchreport-2001-6-differential-validity-prediction-college-admission-testing-review.pdf

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:19:53 2019 No.14415092

>>14414904
I mostly agree with you, but the categories aren't really chosen arbitrarily. We have a priori mechanisms in our brain that influence how we chop the world up into different categories. People will always divide themselves up into tribes. Attacking hwitey for doing it is an attempt to disarm us and prevent us from acting collectively.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:22:12 2019 No.14415101 >>14415092 >We have a priori mechanisms in our brain We don't. Everything is based on experience

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Anonymous Wed Dec 25 12:45:19 2019 No.14415248

>>14414899
Yeah certainly it's possible the .8 general heritability of IQ in the US doesn't have to mean the Black-White IQ gap is also .8. I'll address some environmental arguments, but here's the thing.

The fundamental assertion people like Shaun are making is indefensible. From >>14413346:

>It baffles me how people can honestly think that groups who exist in radically different climates and environments around the world would evolve over thousands of years to have the same cognitive abilities. If that were the case, it would be a biological miracle.

No environmentalist can debate this position head-on, so instead they use rhetorical tricks: gish-galloping through hundreds of possible but really irrelevant environmental explanations in order to delay the inevitable fact: that they must come up against the religious fanaticism at the core of the radical egalitarian position.

Nonetheless, the environmental explanations are worth responding to. You could fill volumes with these arguments, so here's one that's illustrative of how intelligence cascades into other areas of a person's life:

The races differ in self-control/ impulsive behavior:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1481443
https://www.gwern.net/docs/2001-warner.pdf
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-6494.1978.tb00176.x/abstract

>a sample of 100 4th grade American school children and found that Blacks had lower self-control than Whites even after controlling for socio-economic status. In another study of "the Marshmallow Test", Asian children were found to have more self-control than black children.

>a sample of 5,291 university students from 45 countries and gave participants a chance to choose an immediate monetary reward or a larger long term reward. European peoples were shown to prefer the long term reward relative to other
Wany, Rieger, and Hens (2011)

>studies have shown that low self-control predicts criminality and poverty even after controlling for IQ and parental socio-economic status
http://www.pnas.org/content/108/7/2693.full.pdf

>Borgo (2013) looked at data on 25,820 American households and found that Black homes had lower savings rates than White homes even after controlling for differences in income, age, family size, education, region of residence, and marriage.
http://www.iza.org/conference_files/SUMS_2013/dal_borgo_m5011.pdf

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 13:11:41 2019 No.14415381 So when are we going to put all the niggers in the oven boyos? That white ethnostate isn't going to build itself.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 13:16:32 2019 No.14415397

>>14409696
They argue from a state of mind that thinks only about potential consequences, they believe that genocide is a natural conclusion of the idea that some people are inferior in some way to others.
In some ways this is cognitive dissonance is a natural result of their hatred of people they have designated as inferiors: rednecks, conservatives, capitalists. If given the opportunity, leftists throughout history have proven they are more than willing to commit acts of mass murder, though they claim to despise those who have done such things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 16:47:28 2019 No.14416383 >>14414661 Right so he's just totally ignorant of how DNA works except for what it looks like, of course

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 18:35:45 2019 No.14416937 >>14413879 Liberals are desperate to attack the text, especially new liberals being initiated and trying to prove how smart they are. When really theyre testing gullibility and brainwashedness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:09:54 2019 No.14417132 >>14410098 Taleb's criticism amount to an esoteric mathematical point because he hates all normal curves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:14:57 2019 No.14417154 >>14409696 You don't even know what IQ even is nor whether it is even valid. Shut up, pseud.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:16:35 2019 No.14417163 The funny thing is that literally only one chapter of the book is about race. The rest of the book focuses purely on IQ differences between whites and how it impacts class.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:27:41 2019 No.14417220 MBTI made me (an INTP) realize the majority of people dont really care about the truth. Appealing to them with it just isnt going to cut it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 19:29:08 2019 No.14417226

I use the Race/IQ thing as a litmus test for how conformist someone is. Nobody ever, in all human history, across all cultures, across all time periods, EVER came to the conclusion that all the different races have the exact same average/median/whatever psychological tendencies. Nobody ever believed that, nobody ever wrote it down, nobody ever observed it.

It’s only in the modern West where this issue is insanely taboo that you have people saying this, and the telling thing is they don’t have studies of their own confirming this to be true. They don’t have any findings that indicate all the groups have the same average brain, they just look at the studies that find the differences and start flinging shit at the wall saying the gaps are caused by “racism” or differences in the womb or the schools or a number of other things that are verifiable or unverifiable, it doesn’t matter. But most of them don’t even try that, they just try and enforce the taboo. They call your employer, they post your name and face on social media, they call you a “racist” (a made up term that only has any power if the society at large doesn’t want to be “racist”).

You are a conformist dumbfuck who just enforces what you’ve been told if you actually believe all the races have identical psychological profiles, and all it tells me is you could be made to believe literally anything if you were born in a specific place and time where all the “authorities” just repeated it. Black people on average are dumber than white people, this is such a blatantly obvious fact that it hurts to see people go to insane lengths to try and pretend it’s not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:12:09 2019 No.14417464 >>14413455 >how dare you talk about a book you fucking animals I wish I could censor every last one of you Frothing

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:14:43 2019 No.14417484 >>14414104 >how could he be right when the other guy said more words? whoa..

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:17:07 2019 No.14417499

>>14413466
>The cognitive strength of the human mind was determined before humans spread out to multiple areas.
while i think this theory still could hold water (i dont but its possible), the idea that all modern humans evolved in africa is becoming increasingly thought of as an outdated way of looking at human evolution

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:22:26 2019 No.14417528 No one who has ridden public transportation would attempt to refute this masterpiece, anyone who disagrees should just ride the bus to see the truth

The Based God Wed Dec 25 20:29:18 2019 No.14417557

>>14417226
With this type of low-IQ reasoning you could justify a whole lot of retardation, "No one in the whole of history believed the earth revolved around the sun, NO ONE."
"No one in the whole of hisory believed our objects are appearances and not things-in-themselves. NO ONE."

Read a book.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:33:33 2019 No.14417574

>>14409696
The contemporary Left are rabid consumers that exist solely to serve materialism and want nothing more than absolute passivity in their entire existence. They have no broad interests beyond this, they want a society that is on one hand religiously organized towards their concept of new faith while at th4 same time completely hyper socialized and domesticated into passivity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:34:34 2019 No.14417578 >>14417528 Public transportation was probably my first step towards realizing the lie of equality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 20:57:46 2019 No.14417678 >>14417557 No, that's not what he's saying. He saying the idea of no difference in IQ between populations is counter to what's been accepted everywhere throughout history so when evidence for it is presented it should not be ignored out of hand.

The Based God Wed Dec 25 21:01:09 2019 No.14417690

>>14417678
Then the argument ought to be "people are not listening to scientific findings because of ideological reasons", which isn't anything new in history at all. The entire segment about the diachronic novelty of race anti-realism has turned entirely moot then, just pointing out that this isn't an argument.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:23:48 2019 No.14418117 >>14410061 cope harder faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 25 22:52:16 2019 No.14418199 >>14409696 >what could convince the leftist that there is a causal relationship between race and IQ Absolutely nothing. You'll have better luck talking to a wall.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:34:30 2019 No.14418375

>>14414792
Liar. He is not reviewing the book. Does Shaun even bother to go into the authors' central thesis, or the 700+ pages of the book that have nothing to do with race?

He, and you, care about The Bell Curve because by attacking perceived weaknesses in this one book, Shaun believes he can score points against the hereditarian position in general, without having to deal with the corpus of research that exists in support of it. To review the Bell Curve and not mention this research is that sopports it's conclusions is an intellectual failure.

All this is pathetic enough, but Shaun didn't even go about his slanderous well-poisoning correctly. Citing a couple anecdotes of bad science does not refute the literature in general, in Lynn's shit or otherwise. Shaun has a habit of going after small targets and then trying to refute his actual target through guilt by association. Note that there is indeed always a "target" to be attacked.

Shaun is a fraud, like his source Stephen Jay Gould, and his shell game here is pathetic. Don't defend pseuds like this retard. They did nothing to deserve your respect.

Anonymous Wed Dec 25 23:55:47 2019 No.14418463

A.) what most arguing for the race-IQ connection forget, is the maxim “pick your battles”.

OK, let’s assume blacks on average are “dumber” than whites, for instance — what are you going to do now? Tell your friends, family, coworkers, fellow students, professors? You’re going to make some great change by doing this? Have fun with that. Either that or be an anonymous racist on the Internet.

This isn’t a big public political issue because the historical backlash against and disgust with the enslavement of blacks, then segregation of them and lack of civil rights and heavy institutional racism etc., is too large.

B.) As many have pointed out, intelligence may not properly be reducible to a single number. Corny as it may sound, there’s emotional intelligence, physical intelligence. And people have souls, too.

I’m not denying the worth of IQ. It really does point out certain important aspects of intelligence in a neat and helpful way, there’s a clear difference between someone with an IQ of 85 and an IQ of 200.

But look at American 20th century popular music. What was the best of it? The best of it was black music. Oh, yeah, I know, you may be a white nationalist who wants to go back to classical ideas of art and only listens to Beethoven etc. Regardless, there’s a real creativity and beauty in blues, jazz, R&B, funk, soul, and even some hip-hop which is uniquely black and not just an aspect of left-brain type IQ.

And what’s the motivation for some of the people obsessing over the race-IQ connection? It’s hatred, vitriol, a desire to offend, to be contrarian, to go on some power-trip. This person has a lower IQ so they’re worth less than you now, you can feel superior to them, you can feel great just for being white. Although when Jews or Asians have a higher IQ than you, then you just find reasons to criticize them because whites have more “soul” than them, Asians are too robotic and Jews scheming and usurious!

But when blacks have a lower IQ then you, you won’t consider maybe some of them have more of a soul than YOU.

And then you can look everywhere for evidence that everyone hates you for being white, hates the white race! You can get the same victim complex as some of the leftists you criticize.

This may not be what every person who believes in the race-IQ connection is like, but, unfortunately, you’re tainted by association.

As for myself, I don’t care about this crap or think of it much, for the most part. What’s it contributing to my life? What am I gonna do about it? How does it help me or others around me in any way? Let blacks have a lower IQ than me or let them have the same IQ as me or let them have higher IQs then me. If there’s a person in front of me, I’ll try to treat them as the situation demands I should act in the most reasonable, compassionate way, without spending my time obsessing over generalizations of large groups of people, whether good or bad.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:00:44 2019 No.14418483

>>14418463
>OK, let’s assume blacks on average are “dumber” than whites, for instance — what are you going to do now?
Is it not obvious? Stop importing them to our countries, to stop encouraging the bad genotypes.

>And what’s the motivation for some of the people obsessing over the race-IQ connection?
For me it's that I care about humanity and its future. Humanity has no future of low IQ people are allowed to thrive whilst high IQ people become less and less fertile.
At the very least stop the importation of low IQ people.

Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:06:06 2019 No.14418507

>>14409696

skull is a bad radlib who promotes idpol over class consiousness, he doesn't care about anything beyond keeping the status quo. Hence why he thinks the fucking neoliberal EU is good and not an apparatus and blames corybyn losing over people being wacist lol

His channel, along with the other vanguard of breadtube is just your typical liberal shlock not talking about an serious theory or any ideas on how to push back against the corrosive effects of capital. Inneudo Studios, another breadtuber, supports iirc warren over Bernie lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:22:12 2019 No.14418572 >>14418483 Start with killing yourself then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 26 00:25:50 2019 No.14418582 >>14418572 Not much of an argument and I was not arguing for genocide, but rather not importing low IQ peoples. Can your deformed leftist brain form a coherent answer as to why this is bad or is that comment all you can muster?

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