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14404526 No.14404526 [Reply] [Original]

What works of literary merit explain why people let their lives fall apart rather than improve themselves?

>> No.14404547

>>14404526
Clinical depression and lack its diagnosis. Been there.

>> No.14404627

Bemerkungen über einen Fall von Zwangsneurose

>> No.14404638

Notes from underground

>> No.14404648

>>14404526

The Stranger by Albert Camus

>> No.14404700

A broken machine can't fix itself.

>> No.14404705

>>14404638
It ends on a hopeful note though. So does C&P

>> No.14404839
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>>14404547
>depression
>real

>> No.14404843

>>14404526
Ego and It’s Own

>> No.14404849

>>14404526
>implying they have a choice

>> No.14404880

Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma

>> No.14405009

Havoc by Tom Kristensen

>> No.14405025

>>14404705
for the whore. Underground Man is fucked for life.

>> No.14405039

>>14404526
>brain is broken
>try to fix it
>this requires your brain, which is broken
it's pretty simple. nobody needs to write a whole book to explain it.

>> No.14405110

>>14405039
How do you know if your brain is broken enough that you have this excuse and it isn't just the way you think and/or the brain side of it isn't unfixable?

>> No.14405348

>>14405039

>fix a small thing
>this allows you to do something slightly bigger the next time
>repeat

Excuses?

>> No.14405382

>>14404526
stoner or pretty much any book with a passive indifferent character, anything on stocism should hit the mark

>> No.14405395

>>14404526
>literary merit
What does this mean?

>> No.14405404

>>14404526
>why people let their lives fall apart
>let
hahaha fuck you

>> No.14405407

>>14405404
Yes, let.

>> No.14405418
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>>14405407
highschoolers, >>>/out/

>> No.14405433

12 rules for life

>> No.14405442

>>14405418
Someone's getting awfully defensive.

>> No.14405462

>>14405442
your lack of basic knowledge about the world is very transparent. go read a bit, we are on /lit/

>> No.14405496

the longer your life is falling apart the harder it is to just fix it

>> No.14405568

Can you cure depression/apathy by reading books?

>> No.14405587

>>14404526
We only become aware of our own behavior when it becomes important to others. Then, it enters into what we call “knowing”. Some of us learn control, more or less by accident. The rest of us go all our lives not even understanding how it is possible, and blaming our failure on being born the wrong way.

>> No.14405603

>>14404839
>mental disorders are actually demons bro

>> No.14405615

>>14405603
It’s not a false way of interfering mental disorder. Is it very precise? Not really, especially in light of the various other ways we have of classifying what a “disorder” is. However, if it works for some, it works.

>> No.14405631

>>14405587
How do you learn control? I learned some control after I hit puberty completely without thinking or reading anything or consciously observing my behavior/emotions
But I never got any more of it and nowhere near enough for others

>> No.14405636
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>>14404526
The Bible contains all the wisdom you need to navigate this material world.

>> No.14405667

>>14405631
Like I said, it’s all about realizing what is important to others. You can’t externalizations yourself from within yourself. Not to get overtly religious, but listen to God, the universe; it speaks to you, you just have to listen and look for the Light.

>> No.14406971

>>14404526
Osamu Dazais no longer human. The part where his young wife tells him he looks like an old man when he sleeps hit me particularly hard.

>> No.14407000

>>14405615
most smoothbrain post of the day

>> No.14407017

>>14404839
This

>> No.14407066

>>14405348
Doesn't work like that unfortunately

>> No.14407067

>>14407000
Okay faggot

>> No.14407072

>>14404526
Self improvement is a spook.

>> No.14407337

>>14407072
lmao

>> No.14407354
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>>14405348
This implies
>people have the time to fix everything
>people know how to fix everything
>attempts people take to fix themselves will actually succeed
>a person will not backslide at any point
>a person is actually capable of fixing things even when they know it's a problem
>problems will not accumulate at a faster rate than they are capable of fixing them
>problems they have are not just as much a result of environment rather than solely their own actions
>no one or nothing in their environment is actively working against the person's attempt to fix themselves
>a person has complete control over their environment or who they must interact with

>> No.14407408

>>14405568
only as a distraction just like any other form of media

>> No.14407485

noonday demon by solomon

>> No.14407504

>>14405603
Unironically the better way of looking at it. It's easier to fight if it's viewed as an inherently evil external force trying to ruin you, rather than just a part of you. Don't underestimate the utility of hate and disgust.

>> No.14407509

>>14404638
I'm busy reading it, but can confirm so far.

>> No.14407609

>>14406971
my gf told me this once

>> No.14407628

>>14404526
The Bell Curve

>> No.14407659

>>14407354
Wrong it implies
>a man does exactly what he wants to, if he wants to improve himself he can begin taking steps immediately that will accumulate to self improvement (making healthy eating choices for example literally requires no extra time)
>People know how to learn new things
>a person who earnestly attempts to improve in an area they are deficient in will make some degree of progress in that area
>a person who backslides has the will to recoup the lost gains and keep pushing forward
>a person is capable of improving their ability to perform an action through practice
>problems are always accumulating at a faster rate than one can fix them but by taking iterative steps to mitigate the problems most borthersome to you you can find meaning in life and define who you are as a person
>A person’s problems may be a result of their environment but they always have the capacity to make their lives marginally better
>people can defeat or overcome adversaries holding them back
>a person has complete control over how they react to their environment and how they interact with people

>> No.14407685

>>14405039
the broken brain is the one that thinks "improving" actually matters anything

>> No.14407687

>>14404705
Drop your theories and LIVE

>> No.14407761

>>14404526
>why people let their lives fall apart rather than improve themselves
The Controversy of Zion

>> No.14407779

>>14407687
While I agree with this sentiment, I believe it’s an integral part of success in the post-modern world, and for any man who claims to be well educated, that they are passionately fluent in a deep metaphysical understanding of our reality with which we live.

>> No.14407792

Blood Meridian

>> No.14407927

>>14407408
How to cure it then?

>> No.14408026

>>14405636
Oh my God, every fucking thread. Does the Bible have anything about the theory if gravity? How about electricity? Maybe, just maybe, the Bible was written for a bunch of goatherders in the backwaters of the Levant, and shouldn't be the basis for modern society.

>> No.14408140

>>14407761
>Zion
Matrix?

>> No.14408484

>>14407354

How does the fact that you can fix some things in your life imply any of that?

>> No.14408498

>>14404705
How the fuck does notes end in a hopeful way?

>> No.14408547

>>14405418
Oh look, another brainlet commie pseudointellectual saying that people are not responsable for their actions.
How new, How exciting.

>> No.14408554

>>14408547
new and exciting is not the same as good and correct

>> No.14408562

>>14408140
Educate yourself, child.

>> No.14409810

coom

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>> No.14410868

>>14407659
I see, I see: so what you're saying is that people decide to be mentally ill? And poor, and unsuccessful, and unhappy, and so on.

>> No.14410903

>>14405039
holy shit this.

>> No.14410925

>>14407659
i grew up eaating pasta and bread and butter sandwiches because my parents didn't cook. once i got my license i would just start going to mcdonalds because i couldn't cook in our kitchen because it was so fucking dirty and full of shit. eating healthy isn't simply a choice when you have no idea what that even means, its not just a choice its an endeavor. its literally me vs. everyone in this world. its me vs. myself, too. how the fuck is 10% of my person supposed to overcome the other 90% first of all, then there is Satan and other demons to worry about, plus literally everyone else in the world who worships satan and wants to see me fail and die. its literally just me and God vs. all this but the other 90% of me is also AGAINST God so i'm against God at the same time suffering temporal punishments for my sins which i can't fucking stop doing. i'm literally fucked.

>> No.14411047

>>14410925
It’s not just you and god, you’ve got me on your side, trying to help and find the good ones like you and bring them to a better life. This is why I like the doctrine of Calvinism in its predestination and belief that only the elected will be saved, because it’s seemingly faith and destiny that you are able to become aware of your surroundings, that you know and understand the difference between inherent good and evil. There’s much good in you, I can sense this in your post. Hopefully you do well and spread this positivity to others around you, and show them the Light.

>> No.14411059

>>14411047
>i like calvinism
you're against me too then heretic.

>> No.14411069

>>14404839
Low IQ post

>> No.14411138

>>14405636
I'm really sick of all this American protestant comic sans theology. The Bible isn't just magic words you say that get you into heaven. It should be studied and appreciated on as a text, not just a series of hollow mantras.

>> No.14411180

>>14404839
Extremely high IQ post.

>> No.14411251

>>14411138
its funny because the bible in that pic is a saint benedict press bible, a catholic publisher.

>> No.14411261

>>14404526
Notes from the underground. The first paragraph literally begins by covering this theme.

>> No.14411270 [DELETED] 

>>14408547
*School children are not responsible for their upbringing
Kill yourself, filth

>> No.14411309

>>14404648
The stranger is about refusing societal expectations with the knowledge that they’re just constructed anyways. It’s about acting based on your feelings from the pov of a protagonist that’s disconnected from his own.

It’s a completely different type of self destruction than notes, notes is directly self destructive with its alcohol consumption and it’s purposefully done to spite the universe, whereas the stranger’s destruction comes largely as an accident and because of the opinions of others on his actions.

I’d rec notes if you’re a hedonist and the stranger if you’re impulsive and slightly unscrupulous, if you refuse societal morals for your own. They both cover the same theme from different directions, notes is about the introspection of someone doing this and the stranger from how that individual’s perceived.

>> No.14411391

>>14404839
Very big brain post.

>> No.14411626

>>14411059
>>14411138
The Bible is a guideline for getting you to understand the way God works, and how to help achieve peace for yourself and bring it others. The Protestant take is highly unfavorable among many of you because it undertakes the reasoning that hard work and dedication to making use of your limited time, something contradictory to the more idle lifestyles so many prefer in the post-atomic age.

>> No.14411947

>>14410925
Read Job

>> No.14412022

>>14404526
whats the point?
you die anyway in the end
why would you struggle for anything?

>> No.14412239

>>14404526
Frankly, most of them

>> No.14413323

>>14405348
some things are genuinely insurmountable at least for a certain amount of time like an abusive parent or some severe mental disorder like schizophrenia and not enough money to get serious psychologist treatment in America. just the pills that stop the voices, for a copay of course. it's like the way to treatment is to achieve, but achieving is so hard because of the way you think, and it's impossible to stop some thoughts or disorders alone. but oh yeah your disorder pushes people away hard.

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>> No.14414034

>>14410925
Tremendously pathetic. Stay irresponsible

>> No.14414612

>>14405348
some are saved, some are not. the sooner you accept this, the sooner you will be at peace. only your vanity prevents you from seeing this obvious truth.

>> No.14414636

>>14405039
I fixed myself and so did others

>> No.14414647

>>14414636
what did you go through

>> No.14415717

>>14407659
Says he on a japanese cartoon board

>> No.14416704

my diary desu

>> No.14416754

>>14404526
>improve yourself

Total meme. Even if you improve yourself it's ultimately up to luck for those improvements to result in tangible improvement in your lifestyle rather than just personal characteristics.

>> No.14416902

>>14416754
Aren’t those one in the same?

>> No.14416974

>>14404839
Lowest IQ post on the board.

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>>14407628
This.

>> No.14417046

Thinking that everyone is an ultimate decider for their actions is an extremely low-brow, privileged opinion

>> No.14417133

>>14404839
Highest IQ post in the local Milky Way hominid consortium.

>> No.14417143

>>14407017
>upvote
>>14411069
>downvote
>>14411180
>upvote
>>14411391
>upvote
>>14416974
>downvote
>>14417133
>upvote

dont you morons have anything to contribute?