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[Anonymous No.14379111]

Wittgenstein is clearly the greatest and most successful philosopher of our time - fight me nerds

[Anonymous No.14379255]

>>14379111
What was the wisest thing he ever said or did?

[Anonymous No.14379259]

>>14379255

Glad you asked

[Anonymous No.14379306]

doing an independent study on him with a Wittgenstein scholar next semester, super excited.

[Anonymous No.14379323]

Reading RFM right now.

>>14379306
Careful that the scholar isn't a dipshit who distorts Wittgenstein to suit his own outlook. Plenty of those sadly.

[Anonymous No.14379331]

>>14379259
Pretty funny, I guess. Did you write this yourself?

[Anonymous No.14379571]

>>14379323
he is lol

[Anonymous No.14379579]

>That whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent

someone explain why this is genius to me. of course if you can't speak about it you're going to be silent. this sentence is meaningless.

[Anonymous No.14379609]

>>14379571
Nothing wrong with that. Just always good to be aware that teachers are people too with their own biases and preferences, so that you don't end up becoming a tiny clone of any one teacher. Just stay well-rounded.

[Anonymous No.14379616]

>>14379579
Don't tell the academics that. They have a lot invested in this guy.

[Anonymous No.14379882]

he was not a philosopher, he just used philosophy for something else. if you read him as a philosopher you miss the point.

[Anonymous No.14380007]

>>14379579
I've never even read Wittgenstein nor have I read a philosophy book in my life, but I still know what that quote means. He is talking about things that you cannot speak of in ordinary language like the will, morality, and God; it's essentially noncognitivism.

[Anonymous No.14380079]

>ghost of kant still restlessly haunts the streets and castles of konigsberg
>late on autumn nights, philosophical tryhards come to shout out their metaphysical preferences in the darkness, and he responds with his judgment
>on the first night, a young man calls out "buddhist process theologian!"
>voice of kant groans "dogmatism"
>on the second night, another young man yells "haeckelian monist!"
>gust of wind blows
>windows rattle
>"dogmatism"
>on the third night a man with screamo tattoos and a handlebar moustache shouts "deleuzian bergsonian!"
>the response comes again, "dogmatism"
>finally, on the fourth night, a fourth man appears, but does not say anything
>after many hours the ghost of kant materializes at last, curious at his silence
>kant asks the man why he does not proclaim his metaphysics
>"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must remain silent"
>finally the ghost of kant was put to rest
>on that spot, to this day, you can still see the moral law within you and the starry heavens above

[Anonymous No.14380101]

whoa op... you called the most acclaimed 20th century philosophy the greatest of our time.. so brave

[Anonymous No.14380121]

>>14379882
>he just used philosophy for something else
What did he use it for?

[Anonymous No.14380138]

>>14379579
What? It is something of pure logic, don’t run your mouth about something you do not fundamentally understand, if most on here took that advise they’d be alright

[Anonymous No.14380139]

>>14379111
Tractus was bad. Investigations is based.

[Anonymous No.14381347]

Wittgensteinianism is a philosophy for people tired of philosophy, who want to pretend that all dispute is just debating semantics, and it is only seen as profound by shallow and lazy minds that don't appreciate actual intellectual work.

The concept of family resemblance is pretty sweet though.

[Anonymous No.14381361]

>you can't define the common essence of a game
1. an activity that one engages in for amusement or fun.
2. a complete episode or period of play, ending in a final result.

[Anonymous No.14381581]

>>14379111
Blocks you are a path

[Anonymous No.14381702]

>our time
>our
Okay boomer

[Anonymous No.14381717]

>>14379259
The first one is true, the others are madeup.

[Anonymous No.14381727]

>>14381361
Yeah, the players in the final match of the world cup of football are clearly in it for amusement or fun. Poker players risking thousands of dollars are in it for fun. The second condition is just stupid and circular. What is just act? "An act of fairness".

[Anonymous No.14382191]

>>14381347
fuck off russell i'll fucking eat you

[Anonymous No.14382314]

John McDowell's interpretation of Wittgenstein is considered what Wittgenstein actually thought and as such is orthodox.

Kripkes uses Wittgenstein for thought experiments so his interpretation is very particular.

Both should philosophers should be read by anyone wanting to go beyond Wittgensteins own works.

[Anonymous No.14382332]

Feels good sending off a paper to my professors where I argue against Wittgenstein's reasoning in PI 246.

[Anonymous No.14382338]

>>14382314
I took many classes on Wittgenstein and heard the exact opposite, especially on Kripke.

[Anonymous No.14383035]

>>14382332
If you want to refute PU 246(where private language explicitly stated), you should refute 201-300ish as a whole. That part is not trivial.

[Anonymous No.14383137]

>>14379579
Are you retarded? He was referring to claims about metaphysical entities, the whole point of Wittgenstein was that philosophers before him had attempted to speak about the unspeakable.

[Anonymous No.14383178]

>>14379579
>>That whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must remain silent
I haven't read Wittgenstein, but I'm guessing that the understanding, or image, comes prior to the words and as a result is already understood. A lot could be extrapolated here however that's the core point which I took a guess at.

[Anonymous No.14383222]

>>14380121
Therapy and religion