/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14376789]

*ahem*
>fuck the NGOs
>fuck the UN
>fuck the academia
>fuck the media
>fuck the modern international order
>fuck liberalism
>fuck the Whigs and their historiography
>fuck Communism
>fuck Democracy
>fuck the Cathedral

And most importantly...

FUCK the JANNIE

[Anonymous No.14376802]

>>14376789
Cringe

[Anonymous No.14376803]

>>14376789
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.14376810]

>>14376789
based moldy

[Anonymous No.14376813]

>>14376802
Grow up, incel

[Anonymous No.14376828]

>>14376789
implying /lit/ even has a janny. We clearly just have a mod from another board that shows up like once a day

[Anonymous No.14376839]

moldbug is peak pseud and whenever i see a person here blabber about 'the cathedral' and start calling academics 'priests' i recoil in vicarious embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.14376842]

>>14376839
>i recoil in vicarious embarrassment.
oversocialized bugman
academia is a church

[Anonymous No.14376857]

>>14376839
Nooo you can't call out scientisum that is cringe
Wojak.jpg

[Anonymous No.14376873]

>>14376839
Typical /lit/fag criticizing something they have no knowledge about.

[Anonymous No.14376917]

>>14376839
its cringe when any concept turns into a cliche but that doesn't mean he's wrong

[Anonymous No.14377235]

>>14376789
>>14376802
Good sincerity on both your parts

[Anonymous No.14377240]

>>14376789
>fuck homework
>fuck my annoying parents
>hell yeah gor leather jackets

[Anonymous No.14378538]

>>14376839
retard

[Anonymous No.14378561]

>*ahem*
>>fuck the NGOs
>>fuck the UN
>>fuck the academia
>>fuck the media
>>fuck the modern international order
>>fuck liberalism
>>fuck the Whigs and their historiography
>>fuck Communism
>>fuck Democracy
>>fuck the Cathedral
>And most importantly...
>FUCK the JANNIE

[Anonymous No.14378565]

>>14376917
Yes it does.

[Anonymous No.14378576]

>>14378538
>>14376873
He's right. Shit theory, shit writer.

[Anonymous No.14378594]

>>14378561
MIGAtards like most of those thing, though.

[Anonymous No.14378783]

>>14378576
>this theory I have no idea about is shit
lol ok brainlet

[Anonymous No.14378909]

>>14376789
Moldbug is to be lauded for paving the way for today's political reaction, but his political theories are way too naive. Sovereignity can protect against principal-agent problems, but what happens when the sovereign is stupid?

[Anonymous No.14378913]

>>14376839
stay seething

[Anonymous No.14378915]

>>14376789
>fuck Communism
this is where you fucked up

[Anonymous No.14378924]

>>14378913
no he is just a pseud anon

[Anonymous No.14378944]

>>14378909
The New System has safeguards. Moldbug doesn't specify how (every System would be different: royal families don't let tards hold power, or it's a Doge-esque system, etc), but accounts for it as a principle.

Not that you're wrong, his analysis of anything military is laughable (but understandable given the US militaries complete dominance in 2009), but still.

[Anonymous No.14378949]

>>14376789

>Hurr durr I'm critical of everything, everything you guys made sucks

So do you have, solutions? Alternatives?

[Anonymous No.14378951]

>>14378909
His analysis of leftist power structures is his biggest contribution IMO. A lot of his actual proposals are naive, I agree.

>>14378924
You know his credentials, right? It's been mentioned a million times by this point.

[Anonymous No.14378956]

>>14378924
>no no NOOO you just cannot you just CANNOT equate academics and the academics institutions with priests and churches! making fun of priests is OUR job

[Anonymous No.14378988]

>>14378956
no no noooo you can't just call us priests and turn our rhetorical weapons against us. noo you are a pseud

[Anonymous No.14379001]

Is edmund burke reactionary? Who are the most prominent reactionary political authors?

[Anonymous No.14379009]

>>14376789
Why, of all terms, does he use "Cathedral"? It seems like he's just larping and thinks it sounds cool.

[Anonymous No.14379010]

>>14378988
no no noooooooo you can't just no no noooo and no no nooo me because no no nooooooo. NOOOOOooooOOOOOoo

[Anonymous No.14379023]

>>14378944
Geopolitics is the biggest obstacle to his ideal international system IMO. I.e. literally 'geo' - as in, determined by geographical realities. Few countries survive without a hinterland for example.

>>14379009
It could possibly be a reference to the Cathedral model of software development, as he's a prodigious computer scientist. Just my guess though.

[Anonymous No.14379070]

>>14379001
Modern? None really, there were a couple good sources other than Moldbug, but they closed down. I would recommend the Jacobite online magazine.

[Anonymous No.14379085]

>>14379070
What about non contemporary?

[Anonymous No.14379102]

>>14379009
Cathedral vs Bazaar, central vs decentral planning. It's a reference to software design methods. Bazaar is more efficient at actually making software for users, but Cathedral is more efficient for keeping power (and profits) in the hands of a select few according to a rigid hierarchy. The Cathedral is easier to say than "the military-education-academic-financial-bureaucratic-NGO-media-entertainment-industrial complex", as it is ultimately a means of centralizing power (and profit) in the hands of a few.

Also, please keep using LARP as an insult. I'm being unironic here, it's a symptom of the Cult of Authenticity, which intentionally paints anything radical as deviant and ironic, not something you ACTUALLY believe in. Your spurious and flippant (and just outright incorrect) usage of the word only accelerates the collapse of Cathedral power by weakening their ability to paint radical thought as "not real".

Welcome to the Alt Right, you're now a Nazi whether you like it or not, better not let anyone know that you know this stuff.

[Anonymous No.14379117]

>>14379085
Google 'Moldbuggery'(it's a blogspot blog) and look for the reference list.

[Anonymous No.14379127]

>>14379085
Basically anything written in the West pre-700AD is Reactionary. For a 19th century writer, Konstantin Pobedonostsev, the iron fisted architect and political mastermind of Czarist Russia's commitment to unshakeable and unmoving autocracy (this is an Anglo Smear, he was the Grey Eminence behind the last few Czars and is the one who ACTUALLY ran Russia). His arguments are absolutely baffling to Liberals because Monarchists aren't "supposed" to think like that (he argues against elected judges because it just turns the law into partisan politics funded by wealthy merchants, and opposed compulsory education because it was a ruse to allow child labor, which he opposed).

[Anonymous No.14379152]

>>14379127
>opposed compulsory education because it was a ruse to allow child labor
wat

[Anonymous No.14379153]

>>14379023
I think this is absolutely true. Patchwork cannot work because whoever controls the most productive, conducive geographies will be able to enforce their will on other groups.

[Anonymous No.14379158]

>>14376839
the oversocialized cringer

[Anonymous No.14379161]

>>14379127
Kind of reminds me of how Moldy argues against immigration by saying that it's just a more sophisticated way of extracting resources from the colonies.

[Anonymous No.14379185]

>>14379152
It's based on the specifics of Russian politics at the time.
>all children should be sent to school!
>they'll have to pay for it though!
>oh btw factory is hiring :^)
(at this time, Russia had next to no state funded education)

Reflections of a Russian Statesman is fun like that. Konstantin wrote the book as a response to criticism of him in the Anglo media. He did not have the book translated into English, not that it mattered because the Anglo media also told everyone that he was illiterate.

>>14379161
His opposition to Freedom if the Press is that it just lets wealthy merchants drown out reasoned discourse with garbage.

[Anonymous No.14379269]

>>14379102
There's nothing radical about moldbug frogtwitter etc.

[Anonymous No.14379279]

>>14379269
they're basically the only people who get deplatformed. Not really Moldbug so much but that sort of area of political thought

[Anonymous No.14379299]

>>14379269
Yeah of course. Only commies are radical. And everything else is a form of capitalism. How insightful.

[Anonymous No.14379304]

>>14379279
So what? That doesn't make them right.

[Anonymous No.14379313]

>>14379299
Nice reaction faggot. But please tell me how some ancap jew gets to the root of the problem.

[Anonymous No.14379320]

So what's this Urbit thing and why is allegedly so revolutuinary?

[Anonymous No.14379322]

>>14379269
Well yeah, that's the point, but if you actually criticize the narrative in any way you get fucked.

[Anonymous No.14379324]

>>14379304
It makes them 'radical' unless you're using that word in a way i dont understand

[Anonymous No.14379340]

>>14379324
I don't think 'radical' means 'repeating the establishment positions on private property, race and gender' which is all frogposters do

[Anonymous No.14379349]

>>14379320
It's essentially a decentralized web built totally from scratch, down to the OS. I.e. un-deplatformable at the very least.

[Anonymous No.14379350]

>>14379340
If it were the establishment opinions they wouldn't be getting deplatformed. I have to admit that I dont fully know what frogtwitter is but I assumed that you meant racism, sexism, etc.

[Anonymous No.14379371]

>>14379349
but doesn't it still need the existing net infrastructure ?
then it can be controlled or switched off

[Anonymous No.14379375]

>>14379340
oh no it's retarded pfahahahahahah

>>14379320
someone unworkable neo-twitter, think running a central bank via bitcoin charters given out by a king. yeah, it """"""works in theory""""" because the technology is there, but the capital isnt in the right places and the political will to back it up isnt there

[Anonymous No.14379382]

>>14379375
Oh fuck off you stupid Nazi, do you know how close Orange Cheeto Hitler is to sending us trans folx to the fucking death camps? Go die in a ditch.

[Anonymous No.14379408]

>>14379382
>us trans folx
I love these crazy leftie twats who claim they are gay or trannies even when they are not
just out of 'solidarity' with degenerates

[Anonymous No.14379416]

>>14379371
That is true. However it goes as far as it is possible to go while assuming the infrastructure is there. And even if it's gone, peering should be possible anyway, but of course that'd be inconvenient

[Anonymous No.14379441]

>>14379324
Radical means getting to the root of the problem, the fundamentals. Original Man would be one aspect of this, and by contrast Moldbug simply wants a return to some element of early liberalism/dead monarchism. Aside from being retarded it is impossible and would change nothing fundamentally.
So that poster was right, it is a larp. And >>14379340 is someone else jumping in. I'm more sympathetic to the right but everything it is doing currently is setting up for a disastrous failure.

[Anonymous No.14379455]

>>14379441
Moldbug doesn't just want to return to the past hence the 'neo' in neoreaction. That being said Moldbug's vision for the future is so fucking retarded that it would literally be better if he were just another reactionary

I still that blog post where he turns the Dawkins memeplex religion idea onto progressivism though

[Anonymous No.14379457]

>>14379408
>falling for bait this hard

[Anonymous No.14379470]

>>14379455
Return is the wrong word, but that is his influence. It's a way of saying that he is determined by the same system he critiques, without getting into the complexities of the theory.

[Anonymous No.14379476]

>>14379350
America is, and always has been, a hetero-normative white supremacist capitalist patriarchy. Reifying these positions can hardly be described as 'radical'
Unless of course you want to cast yourself as some plucky rebel fighting against a system that actually enforces and supports everything you stand for

[Anonymous No.14379487]

>>14379470
>he is determined by the same system he critiques,
I dont get what you're saying here. How is Moldbug determined by whatever monarchical regime he's praising?

[Anonymous No.14379499]

>>14379476
..then why are the only people who get deplatformed, and often lose their jobs and so on? Im guessing you're just baiting me

[Anonymous No.14379515]

>>14379476
>radical=rebel
Brainlet

[Anonymous No.14379575]

>>14379499
He hasn't read Moldbug, who cares what his opinion on Moldbug is?

[Anonymous No.14379593]

>>14379455
Was just reading that now. Its retarded

[Anonymous No.14379599]

>>14379487
I mean that he is a critic of contemporary liberalism, yet his own foundation is that of Liberalism. This means that the very foundation remains unquestioned, the laws that create the current climate will remain intact. At best his position can only cause a mutation in the form of progressivism, or smply continue interbreeding.
Of course, the left and right have always been a loyal opposition, they simply use different technical means to increase the efficiency of political movement. No real conflict between them is possible.

[Anonymous No.14379604]

>>14379476
>America is, and always has been, a hetero-normative white supremacist capitalist patriarchy
i don't understand how you can believe this when, if you were to voice support for "hetero-normative white supremacist patriarchy", publicly, you would lose your job, whereas if you were to voice support for "queer cosmopolitan feminism", you would literally just be a normal twitter user
or are you one of those sociopaths that knows it's not true but wants to play the underdog card anyway?
or am i reading too much into this and you're really just trolling

[Anonymous No.14379618]

>>14379599
I mean according to him his foundation is not liberalism but reaction, he's pretty explicit about differentiating between conservative liberals, all the way back to Hobbes, and actually reactionary thinkers. His whole system is basically built on realizing that classical liberalism is politically impossible.

[Anonymous No.14379635]

>>14379604
If its not, then why are black and trans folk at the bottom of every metric?

[Anonymous No.14379651]

>>14379635

[Anonymous No.14379654]

>>14379635
That's a false dichotomy if I've ever seen one.

[Anonymous No.14379663]

>>14379651
Scary. Would you trust a black doctor or even a black surgeon with your health or life?

[Anonymous No.14379668]

>>14379102
>Also, please keep using LARP as an insult. I'm being unironic here, it's a symptom of the Cult of Authenticity, which intentionally paints anything radical as deviant and ironic, not something you ACTUALLY believe in. Your spurious and flippant (and just outright incorrect) usage of the word only accelerates the collapse of Cathedral power by weakening their ability to paint radical thought as "not real".


fucking based post. only reason I click on these threads anymore is for the way people like you annihilate brainlets

[Anonymous No.14379673]

>>14379476
>>14379635
I know this is probably bait, but... If you're a legit reddit tranny you don't understand Moldbug, it's over your head.
Go argue with Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson fans, those are more in your league.

[Anonymous No.14379675]

>>14378951
patchwork is based and the only political solution that makes sense

[Anonymous No.14379685]

>>14379651
God I hope this all ends soon. I don't care how.

[Anonymous No.14379686]

>>14379635
or, another argument: you realize that cosmopolitanism is literally enshrined as law in this country and every other western country, right? racial egalitarianism is taught in schools and is the most fundamental value in all western societies, even people already on the political fringe have to distance themselves from the label of "racist". racism has to hide itself behind rhetoric like "native citizens", antiracism on the other hand is so deeply engrained into all levels of discourse it doesn't even have to be said most of the time, it's just implicitly assumed if you're not using canards or dogwhistles
being racist is literally the most radical possible rejection of the present order, and being antiracist is defending it
>>14379663
absolutely not, i try to avoid women doctors too

[Anonymous No.14379699]

>>14376789
what does moldbug say about trans rights

[Anonymous No.14379716]

>>14379699
Nothing at all. He doesn't believe in rights.

[Anonymous No.14379719]

>>14379699
he said he will personally put them feet-first into aesthetic hugo-boss designed woodchippers

[Anonymous No.14379733]

>>14379618
That's all fine and good. But reaction is also a progressive position. Is his ideology not based on liberal economics, or let's say humanist economics? Is he not guided by Hobbesian and absolutist politics? It is naive to simply take people at their word, this itself is a product of bourgeois politics. Schmitt's comment on de Maistre's 'legitimate usurpation' is key here: even a stated theological opposition does not necessitate that one goes beyond basic material opposition. The enemy may only create loyalty at a deeper level. The liberal, conservative, and even reactionary positions are all determined by the same metaphysical laws. Their constitution tends toward an alliance.

[Anonymous No.14379734]

>>14379686
>how can white supremacy be real if sometimes I'm sad
The present order is based on racism, it *is* racism on a very fundamental level. The existence of the USA is in itself an act of racism. Your problem is that of the fish asking what water is. You might benefit from reading Gramsci (who Moldbug borrows from in an unintelligent way).
And no, someone with enormous privilege experiencing a slight reduction in that privilege doesn't mean the privilege goes away. To lose your platform or your job in the first place suggests you had a job or platform to lose, something denied to those who do not reify the structural racism of society.

[Anonymous No.14379735]

>>14379719
'At least it's an ethos'

[Anonymous No.14379737]

based and levi'spilled

[Anonymous No.14379740]

>>14379734
>if x is true then how come y
>y isn't actually true
>oh yeah well *namecalling and hand waving ensue*
k

[Anonymous No.14379742]

>>14379734
White racism is no longer real.
It's all Jewish now. They pretty much control the USA and most of its institutions now.

[Anonymous No.14379761]

>>14379734
How do you know it's based on racism and what would convince you that it isn't?

[Anonymous No.14379763]

>>14379734
So your conclusion is that white people are just superior? But also that they shouldn't be?

[Anonymous No.14379770]

>>14379734
Fucking hee-haw funny.

[Anonymous No.14379772]

>>14379761
cuz black ppl have bad outcomes
since all people are equal, unequal outcomes by race means racism
don't think too hard about the premises, just do what i tell you to in order to fix this problem, okay?

[Anonymous No.14379784]

>>14379761
Because I have faith that it's based on racism.

[Anonymous No.14379793]

>>14379772
and i know you might be thinking "hm your solution to the problem of unequal outcomes involves preferential hiring and stuffing of positions of power with people sympathetic to your political faction, isn't that a conflict of interest?" and the answer is no it's not and you're also a bigot for suggesting that it is

[Anonymous No.14379799]

>>14376789
Damn I used to think this guy was a faggot, but after seeing him in the leather jacket I just KNOW he must be a badass!

[Anonymous No.14379825]

>>14379799
If you think you're so cool, post a picture of yourself wearing a leather jacket and see how you stack up against Moldbug. Do it now or apologize or you're a gaywad.

[Anonymous No.14379834]

>>14379733
I don't see how you can call absolute monarchy either bourgeois or liberal. It's certainly not humanist. The monarch is sovereign and his will is the basis of all law. There are no rights to speak of at all and whatever economic system is used it is under the control of the sovereign. This is not a very plausible state of affairs, but I guess it's an ideal.

I don't know what you mean wrt metaphysics at all, it feels like youre hinting at something but not really saying it. Im assuming you have some kind of political position of your own you prefer to the ones you've listed?

[Anonymous No.14379848]

>>14379825
okay curtis

[Anonymous No.14379865]

>>14379848
God I wish he or his cohorts visited this place

[Anonymous No.14379868]

>>14379825
I literally never claimed to be cool. But Fagbug clearly thinks he is, even though he looks like a high school nerd who needs to get his head shoved in a toilet.

[Anonymous No.14379873]

>>14379834
http://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

[Anonymous No.14379881]

>>14379868
Okay then, gaywad. >:)

[Anonymous No.14379887]

>>14379868
Actually that was a photoshoot set up by someone else. He just happened to agree to participate. Now he can add 'model' to his resume.

[Anonymous No.14379923]

>>14376857
it (religious adherence/deference to the scientific academic complex) should be called 'scienticism', change my mind

[Anonymous No.14379937]

>>14379834
You don't see how the Divine Right of Drag Queen Story Time closes the metaphysical gap between reactionaries and progressives? Anon...

[Anonymous No.14379943]

>>14379873
"To comprehend the emergence of our contemporary predicament, characterized by relentless, totalizing, state expansion, the proliferation of spurious positive ‘human rights’ (claims on the resources of others backed by coercive bureaucracies), politicized money, reckless evangelical ‘wars for democracy’, and comprehensive thought control arrayed in defense of universalistic dogma (accompanied by the degradation of science into a government public relations function),"

[Anonymous No.14379955]

>>14379943
I seriously cannot see the fault in this. He's right!

[Anonymous No.14379956]

>>14379873
And?

[Anonymous No.14379967]

>>14379943
How based can one man be

[Anonymous No.14379969]

>>14379956
And what?

[Anonymous No.14379978]

>>14379969
Deez nuts

[Anonymous No.14379983]

>>14379955
He's not.

[Anonymous No.14379985]

>>14379937
If the Drag Queen were the Monarch I could see it. Merely weirding out children is not much power

[Anonymous No.14379990]

>>14379978
Nailed that ccocksucker.

[Anonymous No.14379996]

>>14379969
What's the point of the blog link?

[Anonymous No.14380000]

>>14379983
Yes he is.

[Anonymous No.14380022]

>>14380000
So America and some minor religious movements are responsible for all our problems? Brainlet take.

[Anonymous No.14380024]

>>14379996
Here's a link for you --->mlp

[Anonymous No.14380042]

>>14380024
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.14380043]

>>14380024

[Anonymous No.14380044]

>>14380022
Why is it unlikely that America, the dominant global superpower, might be responsible for our problems? And how do you consider the Protestant bedrock moral foundation of the entire Western world a minor religious movement?
Are you batshit?

[Anonymous No.14380082]

>>14380044
I don't know anon, maybe because when modernity began America didn't even exist, and only came to power by accident.
And why is Protestantism the 'bedrock moral foundation of the entire Western world'? Because some twitterfag told you so? You seem desperate to appear rebellious with your pseudo-Nietzschean Catholicism, but perhaps it was that position which was subversive all along and contributed to 'our problems' even more than Protestantism...
Nice reaction based on contemporary history, retard. But thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous No.14380092]

>>14380000
Nick Land has never been right about anything.

[Anonymous No.14380098]

>>14380092
Lands work is a kind of theology ultimately and all theologies have implicit in them a very particular and peculiar temporal/calendrical matrix. I’m not into critique anymore but I’d say his views on time are simplistic yet required for his system to work.

[Anonymous No.14380100]

>>14380092
LOL just like Obama

[Anonymous No.14380108]

>>14380082
But it doesn't matter when America emerged, it's totally irrelevant to his point

[Anonymous No.14380123]

>>14380082
It seems like you're very intensely arguing with a strawman, anon, maybe you're having a manic episode or you're on Adderall, but I'll address you anyway.
How does the fact that America came to power by accident nullify its cultural influence around the world? That's a huge non-sequitur.
America, and its global superpower forebear the British Empire, were formally Protestant nations, and now they're informally Protestant nations. They have had massive political, economic, and cultural influence. This isn't esoteric theory, it's plain history.

[Anonymous No.14380155]

>>14380098
You literally said nothing.

[Anonymous No.14380159]

>>14380155
Welcome to /lit/.

[Anonymous No.14380555]

>>14380108
Ok, what's his point?