Plato BLOWN THE FUCK OUT!

[Anonymous No.14361288]

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1206607677884813313

[Anonymous No.14361295]

>MUH PROGRESS
>MUH PROGRESS
>MUH PROGRESS
God I hate a*glos

[Anonymous No.14361296]

Dawkins is such a brainlet

[Anonymous No.14361307]

>>14361288
>by making stuff up

No, he specifically spoke against this in fact.

[Anonymous No.14361313]

>>14361296
Coming from the 17 year old buzzword-using guy posting on an anime image board

[Anonymous No.14361320]

>>14361288
this was already hashed out in the episode of
>plato vs the sophists
please come again when uve actually opened a book

[Anonymous No.14361340]

>>14361288
I like Dawkins. But you could say that Platonism was a necessary stumble in philosophy's learning to walk. Sure he was wrong but you have to be exposed to what is wrong in order to know what is right.

[Anonymous No.14361364]

>>14361288
what does he even mean mislead? as opposed to do what exactly? what's the other breathtaking philosophical stance he could've supported back in 400 bc? he talked about moral issues and the structure of society related to his thoughts.


all you need to do is dismantle this retard is tell him to define truth. he can't even define truth let alone find it. he's just jealous because plato walking arouind in 400 bc had a firmer grasp of reality and truth than him

[Anonymous No.14361376]

>>14361340
you tried

[Anonymous No.14361377]

>>14361364
>he talked about moral issues and the structure of society related to his thoughts.

ethics and social/political issues aren't science therefore it's useless hackwork that no one should care about

[Anonymous No.14361381]

>>14361288
Bugman being bugman

[Anonymous No.14361389]

>>14361364
based

[Anonymous No.14361397]

>>14361377
>this is what bugmen actually believe

[Anonymous No.14361401]

>>14361377
it's useless until they decide whether you live or die. if you're allowed to continue witchcraft call called science or not.

it's amazing how retards who support "science" pretend causality doesn't exist. hey retards, you're suppose to pretend it doesn't exist because you believe in the free will god gave you.

[Anonymous No.14361403]

>>14361288
>when you read Nietzsche and think you can attack Christianity by attacking Plato but you don't have anything meaningful to say about either
Dawkins eternally relegated to second-hand thinker

[Anonymous No.14361438]

What's his fucking problem /lit/?

It's almost as if he has a day marked in his calendar that says "Don't forget to tweet some dumb shit about philosophy, today". I mean, is like he is just doing it for the attention at this point.

[Anonymous No.14361451]

>>14361377
Politics is based on economics which makes both science.

[Anonymous No.14361465]

>>14361288

[Anonymous No.14361473]

>>14361313
it takes a brainlet to know a brainlet

[Anonymous No.14361512]

>>14361451
>Politics is based on economics
Cringe bugman take.
Politics is based on morals which are based on metaphysics.

[Anonymous No.14361529]

>He also studied under the head of the Platonic Academy, who was Arcesilaus of Pitane. His interest in Plato led him to write his very first work at a scholarly level, Platonikos, inquiring into the mathematical foundation of Plato's philosophies.

[Anonymous No.14361581]

>>14361288
Show someone this post every time they falsely make the claim that atheists are "Rational."

What is fucking Mathematics, Richard? How does one empirically test that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line when straight lines aren't real in the physical world, Richard? How does one test the pythagorean theorem when triangles aren't real either, Richard?

It's almost as though REASON ALONE IS SUFFICIENT TO DISCERN OBJECTIVE TRUTH RICHARD.

>What did Plato say that was actually right
What DIDN'T Plato say that was actually right? PLATO. VERSUS. THE SOPHISTS.

Fucking child. I hope this guy's kids get raped and murdered by Pakis to spare us the disgusting impact of his genes on the North Atlantid Haplogroup.

[Anonymous No.14361589]

>>14361288
Why didn't Plato just observe birds on isolated islands instead?
Why did Plato even bother holding a position that implied that he gave a shit about human existence?

[Anonymous No.14361681]

>>14361512
I don't see how one negates the other.

[Anonymous No.14361684]

>>14361288
anglos = mistake

[Anonymous No.14361705]

obligatory

[Anonymous No.14361718]

>>14361288
Even I know he's wrong, imagine what an actual expert in Plato thinks of this pseud. Fuck me, what an embarrassment.

[Anonymous No.14361744]

>>14361288
I despise philosophy; however, Dawkins is a huge brainlet.

[Anonymous No.14361803]

>>14361288
>muh my science is better because I'm anglo
>doesn't realize that all science emerges from ancient philosophy

He's a fucking brainlet Cuck, don't listen to him

[Anonymous No.14361817]

>>14361313
Denial

[Anonymous No.14361820]

>>14361288
if we uploaded dawkins brain to a computer and ran it against platos how quickly until the cd drive starts spewing blood?

[Anonymous No.14361953]

>>14361288
>But what did Plato say that was actually right?
Jesus Christ.
>you could find truth by making stuff up in an armchair?
Source required.

[Anonymous No.14362011]

>>14361820
something about 20 minutes

[Anonymous No.14362064]

>>14361288
>Says this while also probably being a crypto platonist and he doesnt even know it.

[Anonymous No.14362187]

Alfred north whitehead, genius mathematician and philosopher: “all philosophy is but footnotes to plato”

Dawkins, biology graduate and popsci writer: “plato bad”

[Anonymous No.14362199]

I find him, like many recent atheists, but also charlatans like peterson and the like, utterly dull. It is because an atheist, a modern one, represents the defeat of mankind, the full materialisation and impotent literalisation of all culture, experience and meaning. The ability to only see superficial language, to only see what is presented and not to see that the words compose a system in of themselves which argue certain truths and obscure others. They can only criticise things on the most literal terms, which makes their arguments intellectually void and hopelessly dull. The profound meaning beyond scripture, beyond representation and in experience and as that writing as ancillary to experience- is lost. Because their own experience is so commercialised, so materialised, that they cannot conceive of any reality beyond the words, any experience which inspired them. They have literalism which extends from the proud page they mock into the banality and sad slavery of their entire existence. It is hilarious to see their saccarine, forced sentimentality, barely in touch which real expression, sincere emotion... because they simply can’t reach it tangibly. All of society is eroding into this.

[Anonymous No.14362208]

>>14361288
>dawkins literally declares himself a sophist

[Anonymous No.14362226]

>>14362187
He didn't said that "all philosophy", even when trying to quote others the retard is doing it wrong and I bet is on purpose, anyway. Whitehead said that all Western philosophy is a series of footnotes on Plato.

[Anonymous No.14362240]

>>14362226
Thanks for your semantic input that does not effect in any slight way the message of the post that Dawkins is a fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.14362282]

>>14362187
>guy who deals with metaphysics on its own: plato good
>guy who follows a set metaphysical system to interpret sense-experience by the means of "empirical" "induction": plato bad
Woah, it's like only philosophers are the ones who care about philosophy.
>>14362240
Dawkins might be ignorant about Plato, but that is not necessarily tied to him being an idiot.

[Anonymous No.14362283]

>>14361705
Lawrence Krauss really is one of the ugliest men alive, truly repulsive

[Anonymous No.14362295]

>>14361705
Nothing wrong with Dawkins' quotes here.

[Anonymous No.14362298]

>>14361288
Someone give Brothers Karamazov to this idiot please.

[Anonymous No.14362313]

>>14362282
No it’s more like
>actual genius, recognised plato as instrumental not only in philosophy but western thought
>genuine pseud who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, makes stupid hot take
and then
>seething anon who barely reads, replies to me

[Anonymous No.14362324]

>>14361288
>progress
Firstly, a broken and defiled meme that has been sourly trampled again and again under the foot of dissolution hordes.

>Mislead generations of theologians and philosophers into thinking you could find truth by making stuff up in an armchair
>Provides no specifics, sources, provides no point of reference in which to judge
>B-BUT THE ENTIRE PLATONIC CANON
This is memetier "science" and why the only progress we've been making, steadily, for the last decade is death. There is no future, we are presumably the last "intact" generation. The future will only continue to get worse until finally we resort back to the lawless, barely verbal mass of brain dead consumers we began our shitty existence as.

[Anonymous No.14362338]

>>14362324
This is insulting to cavemen. I think they understood more than you give them credit for

[Anonymous No.14362345]

>>14361288
Based Dawkins. FUCK armchair psueds and snake oil salesmen.

[Anonymous No.14362347]

>>14362313
I feel like you fail to understand how, from an epistemological, socially and culturally-influenced, point of view, it's possible for two people to have different interpretations of the world in accordance to the set of premises they have accepted as true.

[Anonymous No.14362352]

>>14361288
Dawkins isn't an idiot, in fact his idea of "meme" (not entirely the same as how it's used on 4chan) is brilliant, but this an idiotic thing statement

[Anonymous No.14362353]

>>14361681
Economics isn't a science retard

[Anonymous No.14362369]

>>14362347
Plato said this. But whatever, he’s fucking dumb lmao

[Anonymous No.14362372]

>>14362338
You're right. At the very least they weren't total husks of useless flesh and rotting muscle, great mounds of pathetic fat drones that slog their way through this bleak existence to consume and propagate hyper-critique on anybody and everybody that says, "Enough!".

[Anonymous No.14362385]

>>14361288
You fucjing CAN find trith by making up stuff in an armchair. Boomers need to unironically off themselves.

[Anonymous No.14362389]

>>14362385
Ok, say something that's true

[Anonymous No.14362401]

>>14361288
Dawkins is a retard, but he's right on this one. Plato was a hack.

[Anonymous No.14362405]

>>14362389
*coughs and stand up from armchair*
DEEZ NUTZ
*points at crotch*

[Anonymous No.14362406]

>>14362389
You will think about licking your lips after reading this.

[Anonymous No.14362414]

>>14362199
underrated post.

these guys are simply boring and i'm glad i'm not confined to their poor cramped reality.

[Anonymous No.14362999]

>>14361295
Don't paint us all with the same brush m8.

[Anonymous No.14363004]

>>14361288
Scientists should be killed.

[Anonymous No.14363034]

>>14361581
very based

[Anonymous No.14363042]

>all the seething ITT

[Anonymous No.14363054]

>>14362282
>guy who follows a set metaphysical system to interpret sense-experience by the means of "empirical" "induction":
>who follows a set metaphysical system to interpret sense-experience
I'm going to need your elaboration on this one

[Anonymous No.14363057]

>>14362999
have people started to make aristocrat norf memes because they voted tory once?
brilliant

[Anonymous No.14363058]

>>14361288
Because those theologians and philosophers didn't feel like getting off their armchairs.

[Anonymous No.14363116]

>>14361705
>Why are you concerning yourself with the meaning of meaning?
I wonder if he realizes how self-defeating this question is

[Anonymous No.14363189]

>>14362199
The more I read this pasta, the more the truth of it really jumps out to me. Modern nu-atheism is just scientism by a bunch of people that don't even know their own fucking religion is built off of philosophy (namely, natural philosophy and the philosophy of science) and say dumb sophistic bullshit as a result.

[Anonymous No.14363198]

>>14362199
>muh literalism
read moar before reposting

[Anonymous No.14363231]

>>14361377
>Sure, fuck all of this thinking on the structure of societies, vote anyone, let's try monarchy, anarchism, feudalism, communist, all the same, tax at random, arrest people if you want or not, teach whatever, what use is to think about this anyway.

[Anonymous No.14363381]

>>14362199
transcendent post of the year

[Anonymous No.14363496]

>>14363198
Read more is a vague criticism even if it is some meme pasta

[Anonymous No.14363630]

>>14361705
modern scientists are garbage for the most part

>read pic related

[Anonymous No.14363666]

>>14361512
Christcuck spotted

[Anonymous No.14363685]

>>14362064
There are very few platonists today.

[Anonymous No.14363758]

>>14361512
metaphysics are based on physics which is the study of matter, so politics are ultimately material

[Anonymous No.14363832]

>>14363666
Even fucking Aristotle and Plato said literally the same shit, you retarded cock-gobbling fedora tipper. I fucking hate the philosophical and historical illiteracy of nu-atheists.

[Anonymous No.14363915]

>>14361364
>he's just jealous because plato walking arouind in 400 bc had a firmer grasp of reality and truth than him
based as hell comment

[Anonymous No.14364321]

>>14363758
Physics studies what's real , metaphysics studies what has no basis in reality. Try again

[Anonymous No.14364356]

>>14364321
Define reality (hint... you need to partake in metaphysics to do this!)

[Anonymous No.14364374]

>>14363758
>metaphysics are based on physics
Literally the other way around. Physics proceeds as it does by making a bunch of formally metaphysical claims. Pure empiricism leads to radical anti-scientific skepticism. For science, you have to assume a bunch of things about the world are true on top of what pure empiricism alone can provide.
>>14364321
>metaphysics studies what has no basis in reality
It really is sad that people somewhere along the line fell for the kind of anti-metaphysics scientific instrumentalism of Duhem and Poincare, and the anti-metaphysics libel stuck even after scientists since swung back by and large toward an optimistic scientific realism as seen today, yourself and Dawkins included as examples. Science is super metaphysical by design and what you know as 'physics' is very metaphysically loaded, unless you read scientific sentences with a very barebones semantics.

[Anonymous No.14364384]

The pitfall of limiting what's worthwhile as only what's quantifiable.

[Anonymous No.14364453]

>>14364374
>Literally the other way around
prove it

[Anonymous No.14364456]

>>14361288
Isn’t Plato a well known retard?

[Anonymous No.14364484]

>>14364374
Good thing the Empiricists provided us with sound metaphysics then

[Anonymous No.14364493]

>>14364456
To the /lit/ zoomer yes, but to academics no.

[Anonymous No.14364500]

>>14361288
Dawkins is actually a moron.

[Anonymous No.14364544]

>>14363685
Almost all mathematicians are platonists

[Anonymous No.14364558]

>>14363758
Physics are a subcategory of computer science and computation which is ultimately platonic, so politics are ultimately platonic

[Anonymous No.14364583]

>>14361512
Politics is morals are metaphysics

[Anonymous No.14364596]

>>14363832
Plato said politics is based on morals? Post the quote, must have missed that one.

[Anonymous No.14364599]

>>14363054
Math is a metaphysical system.

[Anonymous No.14364636]

It amazes me that this man was a professor at Oxford and literally, literally has a worse understanding of philosophy than 20 year old weaboo genre shitters on /lit/. Somebody post the screencap where he does not know what "continental philosophy" means in like 2017 or some shit. How is this even possible.

[Anonymous No.14364679]

>>14364374
I'm not anti metaphysics learn to read, tryhard

[Anonymous No.14365008]

>>14361288
He's right. Plato was just some old Roman charlatan who said a bunch of crap but didn't do anything. The fact that people still take him seriously in 2019 is depressing

[Anonymous No.14365097]

>>14361705
imagine being a scimat as if Positivism and its offspring haven't been dead for half a century
the absolute state of popsci """""philosophers"""""

[Anonymous No.14365183]

>>14364599
based retard

[Anonymous No.14365234]

>>14361295
Nature is a cruel mother. Only by the virtue pf progress we were able to transcend hunter-gathering and create society as we know it. And we shall not stop in our way forward.
>>14361705
>smallests units of mater…are ideas
Ideas are emerging phenomenon from the material. That dosen't mean that those units may not be somehow diffrent from others, but calling them ideas is misleading.
>>14362338
>noble savage
>>14364599
Math is a description of natural process, compound of accounting and navigation.
>>14363832
While politics are based of morals, morals are just a tool to improve economy of society. Morals change on a whim of economic reality, even if some classes may lag behind.

[Anonymous No.14365258]

>>14361581
He probably does not believe in objective truth just it's 99,999 % probably true so I accept it as true. like most atheists. Does not explain his belief in evolution tho because that has been btfo ever since proposed back in the day. Probably the reason why he is attacking Plato evolution is proven to be more rooted in platonic forms the any gradual non stop change

[Anonymous No.14365259]

>>14361512

Economics are also based on morals

[Anonymous No.14365260]

>>14365234
>Nature is a cruel mother. Only by the virtue pf progress we were able to transcend hunter-gathering and create society as we know it. And we shall not stop in our way forward.

As ridiculous an assumption as Noah's Ark in the literal sense.

[Anonymous No.14365273]

>>14362999
Why does one of them have a huge dump in his pants

[Anonymous No.14365280]

>>14362295

You really think somethong like "common sense" exists outside of cultural and moral norms? What is called common sense is just someones philosophy that most people dont think about as such and accept.

[Anonymous No.14365284]

>>14365260
To deny progress is to deny life. Life continiously progressed trough accomulation of data, and with abstract thinking it started to transfer from creature to creature not only through blood, but through memes.

[Anonymous No.14365288]

>>14363758
This may well be the dumbest argument for a position that I support that I have ever heard. You are impressively retarded.

[Anonymous No.14365489]

>>14364596
Not Plato but literally all of Aristotle's Politics are derived from his own treatment of virtue ethics in Nichomachean Ethics.

[Anonymous No.14365493]

>>14361340
stop pretending to know philosophy

[Anonymous No.14365540]

>>14361313
Yes.

[Anonymous No.14365555]

>>14361340
Every part of this post was terrible lmao

[Anonymous No.14365594]

>>14361340
>>14362369
>>14362313
>>14363054
>>14363758
who let all these retards in

[Anonymous No.14365681]

>>14365234
>morals are just a tool to improve economy of society. Morals change on a whim of economic reality,

Except you can argue that morals that lead to eudaimonia and the most human existance are eternal and involve eternal principles since which times may change and mores along with them, humans always and always seek the Good.

[Anonymous No.14365694]

>>14361296
Yet he is spending his retirement trolling christcucks and laughing all the way to the bank while you're crying from butthurt
You are all fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.14365721]

>>14365234
Hey there Anon! You seem to be putting a lot of effort into spouting retarded shit, here's a (You) of appreciation.

(prehistoric societies were more egalitarian than today's, a descriptive system is by definition metaphysical, surviving in nature entails a wealth of knowledge that would take someone like you three lifetimes to amass, morals really do not change "on a whim of economic reality")

[Anonymous No.14365727]

>>14365694
He's trolling any one. Even atheist philosophers like Thomas Nagel essentially called him and the other "Four Horsemen" autistic speds who don't even understand how philosophy or logic works. And based on the type of people they court, I'm inclined to agree. They are literally trying to revive an actually dead and buried philosophy for shekels (in the form of logical positivism). That's both hilarious and sad seeing how nu-atheists were fucking fooled by these fuckwits.

[Anonymous No.14365731]

>>14365727
*He's not trolling anyone.

[Anonymous No.14365733]

>>14362389
You're a faggot

[Anonymous No.14365768]

>>14365694
If all Dawkins cared about was money, he could have picked an easier path, either in the private sector, or as a tenured professor who kept his mouth shut and wasn't a famous pseud

Instead he chose a life revealing that the "smartest" people ine academia have about as much common sense as your standard autist, and big bang theory isn't as fake as you think.
That deserves acknowledgement and respect
But also mockery

[Anonymous No.14365773]

>>14361288

Said the guy who made up some stupid meaning behind genetic progress while ignoring the selection process responsible for it. Bad Biologist, Bad Philosopher.

[Anonymous No.14365910]

>>14362282
>Dawkins might be ignorant about Plato, but that is not necessarily tied to him being an idiot.
Indeed, the two are true but independent.

[Anonymous No.14365937]

>>14365694
>I endorse this idiot, and feel proud in his success to fool a legion of halfwits
Oh god, no no no no...

[Anonymous No.14365939]

>>14365721
Ravaged.

[Anonymous No.14365942]

>>14362199
based

[Anonymous No.14365963]

>>14365721
>(prehistoric societies were more egalitarian than today
I always see this retarded shit being posted online Try being a woman or weak male in most of these tribes. Not to mention the rampant child abuse

[Anonymous No.14365985]

>>14361288
> Leading "thinker" of our time
> Doesn't understand the socratic method

[Anonymous No.14365989]

>>14362199
Nu-atheism is 100x worse that Nietzschean atheism

[Anonymous No.14366001]

>>14365989
Nu-atheism is literally the sameslave morality in a different mask.

[Anonymous No.14366007]

>>14365963
People unfit to survive didn't survive, and the remaining ones were too close to one another to dare abusing each other. There's much more accountability when you literally know every member of your society, much more responsibility towards yourself and others. Sure, it got a bit rapey at night, but that's still a lot better than being born to give a third of your waking hours to a grifting overlord or paying taxes for expenditures you didn't consent to (like war) in a society defined by arbitrary divisions of the territory. A little wife-roughing does not compare to a world where 26 people own as much as the poorest 3.8 billion.

[Anonymous No.14366039]

>>14361377
based and gaede-billed

[Anonymous No.14366063]

>>14361581
I could upload an image of a straight line I drew with a ruler but it would obviously be based on a retard like you.
>>14361705
>smallest units of matter are ideas, not physical objects
May as well be Morman if you're going to engage in this degree of superstition.
>Vedantic philosophy...
This guy's supposed to be a scientists and he has to resort to millenia-old religious texts to explain his ideas.
The only guy on the left side of this image who isn't a fraud is Bohr.

[Anonymous No.14366064]

>>14366007
I understand the argument that we evolved to live in tribes and therefore would probably enjoy it more than the inanely weird shit we have concocted in their stead. I get the logic, but it's not necessarily accurate, there's no reason a 'normal' life has to be pleasant at all in nature, the only thing that's necessary is that survival and reproduction take place. It could be that our civilized lives are actually much better, or it could be that it simply doesn't make sense to compare one to the other and say it's better, since it's a matter of arbitrary preference on some level. I don't know.

That being said things were certainly never idyllic, especially not for the kinds of people I usually see assuming that tribes lived in some kind harmonious socialism or something.

Also I don't see why it matters at all that there are rich powerful people, what matters is what the quality of life for the poor is like, regardless of whether the rich exist. What is intrinsically bad about inequality?

[Anonymous No.14366118]

>>14361340
what's he wrong about?

[Anonymous No.14366168]

>>14365258
retard

[Anonymous No.14366194]

>>14366064
Ok, you're a domesticated animal who'd rather be exploited in exchange of some "security" rather than live a free and meaningful life. I can't help you if you don't understand how or why it's wrong that a CEO who at best works three times the number of hours that his lowest-ranking employee works, and is at best twice as intelligent and competent, can earn a hundred times said employee's wage. We aren't born equal in ability, and shouldn't be made equal like communists want to, but we should treat each other fairly. If you think that your right to shit in drinkable water or your right to sue someone for calling you a faggot are more important than not being born a taxpayer or treating your fellow man fairly, I guess we don't have much business continuing this conversation, slave. Please get beat up by a cop

[Anonymous No.14366202]

>>14366168
read the book tard, just because you connect some lines does not make it true.

[Anonymous No.14366267]

>>14366202
the book is just "intelligent design" bullshit from a member of the discovery institute

https://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/0_0_0/id_checklist

[Anonymous No.14366284]

Stop posting this shit on /sci/. We don't give a fuck about Dawkins even if he is right in this instance.

[Anonymous No.14366288]

>>14366267
kek what a load of crap that is, he is directly changing evolutionary steps with citations form other scientist(top evo devo once, and even other buddies of dawkins) , his ID bullshit is just the alternative to what darwin bs cant explain.

[Anonymous No.14366575]

>>14361473
you can't actually believe this

>>14361512
shoo shoo catholicuck

[Anonymous No.14366604]

>>14366284
No wonder science isn't taken seriously anymore.

[Anonymous No.14366616]

>>14366168
why aren't there any new life forms appearing after mammal

[Anonymous No.14366635]

>>14361288
Based

[Anonymous No.14366642]

>>14366604
Science isn't taken seriously because we don't care about Dawkins or because we don't think some ancient greek was privy to great knowledge?

[Anonymous No.14366665]

>>14361705
Dawkins doesn't belong on the right-hand column

[Anonymous No.14366695]

>>14366616
If a giant asteroid hit and wiped out the mammals the way dinosaurs were I bet some random little amphibian or fish thing nobody cared about would branch out to take the mammalian niches.

Although a lot of little mammals would survive. I can't see bats or rodents going extinct

[Anonymous No.14366897]

>>14366168
retarded nigger cocksuckser

[Anonymous No.14367258]

>>14361340
Where do you people come from

[Anonymous No.14367288]

>>14361313
Yeah you're right, those buzzword using faggots think that their subscribed to opinion will be accepted due their conviction rather than any explanation because that's what happens on /pol/. Please continue to call out these zoomers on /lit/.

[Anonymous No.14367364]

>>14366665
thats where you belong

[Anonymous No.14367389]

>>14366642
More the replication crisis. Liars are generally ignored and not trusted.

[Anonymous No.14367427]

>>14366194
Meaning is security you retard. Freedom is useless without anything of worth to pursue.
Neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.14367434]

>>14367389
There is no replication crisis outside of psychology and nutrition.

[Anonymous No.14367436]

I mean, he's an empiricist, so it makes sense that he'd need to trash a priori knowledge

[Anonymous No.14367475]

>>14365008
>Plato
>Roman
tell me you are trolling

[Anonymous No.14367511]

>>14365989
>>14366001
atheism is still just atheism though
that is to say, boring

[Anonymous No.14367523]

>>14362406

Anon absolutely btfo, well played

[Anonymous No.14367557]

>>14364453
Already did.
>>14364484
They didn't.
>>14364679
Learn to write idiot.
>metaphysics studies what has no basis in reality.
>I'm not anti metaphysics

[Anonymous No.14367586]

it's really embarrassing to watch you guys talk about what science "is"

[Anonymous No.14367618]

>>14367586
/lit/ is good at getting reading recommendations from, and for giving pathways to follow philosophy on, but as for trying to actually talk about anything outside of the bubble of vague disconnected-from-reality metaphysics it falls flat.

[Anonymous No.14367625]

>>14361296
i don't even know why since he's a world-renowned biologist. he should really know better than this

[Anonymous No.14367659]

>>14367618
The exact inverse is true for /sci/. Actually, /sci/ is bad at both.

[Anonymous No.14367674]

>>14367659
Science requires actual expertise to talk about properly. And while at the high end the level of education to discuss either is probably just about the same, philosophy generally has a lower barrier to entry.
Any gathering of the laymen to talk about science is inherently unscientific.

[Anonymous No.14367683]

>>14367674
Yep.

[Anonymous No.14367701]

>>14365234
>progress
>forward

[Anonymous No.14367720]

>>14367701
Everyone hates progress as its going on, but as soon as a social movement 'finishes' people love the outcome.

[Anonymous No.14367769]

I thought Dawkins was a fan of Russell. Is he aware that Russell spoke highly of Plato's theory of forms.

[Anonymous No.14367844]

>>14367769
>if person A likes person B and person B likes person C, that must mean A likes C, right?
relationships aren't transitive

[Anonymous No.14368009]

>>14365258
>>14366616
>people on /lit/ thinking they got evolution "debunked"
proof that reading plato doesn't necessarily mean you aren't retarded

[Anonymous No.14368738]

>>14368009
Read the book then talk

[Anonymous No.14368807]

>>14366635 >implying that the principle of sufficient reason is true

[Anonymous No.14368815]

>>14361340
what the fuck is """right'''''?

[Anonymous No.14368836]

>>14365008
>roman
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.14368864]

>>14367557
Sure they did, no point embracing crackpot Platonist/Aristoteleian metaphysics when you have superior alternatives. It's like you guys have never read Hume or something.

[Anonymous No.14369121]

Dawkins the based bigot

[Anonymous No.14369196]

>>14366635
That twitter user seems like a fag, but he's not from about philosophy being mostly nonsense.

[Anonymous No.14369323]

>>14366635
> a pyramid scheme of evidence
That's better.

[Anonymous No.14369392]

>>14361340
cringe

[Anonymous No.14369637]

>>14361296
For me, I think he hit rock bottom when he started attacking that clock kid on twitter

[Anonymous No.14370150]

I don't know why /lit/ gets so buttblasted about this. Plato has been BTFO time after time by the moderns, so I really don't know why anyone cares what he thinks except for as a historical curiosity.

[Anonymous No.14370164]

>>14370150
Also, he just recycled half of the things he said from the pre socratics, so so much for the "foundation of western thought" meme.

[Anonymous No.14370482]

Dawkins is letting out the frustration he usually saved for underaged children on Epsteins island, fucking pedo.

[Anonymous No.14370719]

>>14366695

Compelling...

[Anonymous No.14370769]

>>14368864
It's almost like you are a novice to philosophy who hasn't read Kant yet. Otherwise I doubt you would be championing Hume, the guy who was completely debunked in the Kantian masterpieces. Unfortunately a Humean may not have the necessary intelligence to actually grasp the Critical philosophy, typically rendering them to the fate of being lobotomised empiricists for the rest of their lives.