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Who were his influences?

>> No.14326370

>>14326346
The beats, unironically.

>> No.14326371

>>14326346
Melville, various 18th century writers like Fielding/Voltaire/Samuel Johnson, Rabelais, Nabokov, Kerouac, Heller. Tons of others but those are the big ones . People will say Joyce but that is vastly overstated.

>> No.14326376

pop culture because hes the Jeff Koons of literature

the fucking hack

>> No.14326382

>>14326346
He's literally baby joyce

>> No.14326427

I can definitely see a little bit of J.K. Rowling in his work

>> No.14326494

>>14326382
They're very different and he reportedly was never much of a big fan. He liked Nabokov, the Beats, and also sci-fi and comics.

>> No.14326505

>>14326346
Who tf is this Chucky cheese lookin motherfucker? I refuse to believe that Thomas Pynchin looks like this!

>> No.14326511

>>14326494
This. People who say he's like Joyce have read little to none of either. It's just something that's parroted because it can seem like it if you read about them a little. The motion is obliterated upon reading them.

>> No.14326526

CIA

>> No.14326530

>>14326526
They are definitely one of his muses.

>> No.14326620

He reads Stephen King, there are too many similarities to deny. Also Robert Heinlein

>> No.14326629

>>14326346
I've been in his home (I had an affair with his wife) and the only books on his shelf were the Catcher in the Rye, an old tv guide and a graphic novel adaptation of some Borges stories.

>> No.14326639

>>14326346
Weed, paranoia and probably Joyce.

>> No.14326655

>>14326620
How do you figure that?

>> No.14326752

>>14326526
>>14326530
Where does this meme come from?

>> No.14326783

>>14326752
reading gravity's rainbow and his life story

>> No.14326798

>>14326783
Crying of Lot 49 too.

>> No.14326805

>>14326752
There was a twitter user called Crypto Cuttlefish that was obsessed with documenting this stuff and had a a few mega-threads on the topic.

One of my favourite connections is Pynchon having a undercover former Nazi scientist administering LSD to people in the crying of lot 49 well before anyone knew what MKultra was.

>> No.14326863

>>14326371
> Nabokov
> 18th century

>> No.14326877

>>14326863
That list ended when the slashes did, dummy. That's why I used them. To differentiate from the commas already in use. Rabelais isn't 18th century either but I listed him before Nab and you didn't call that out so don't act knowledgeable.

>> No.14326887

>>14326805
Ken Kesey was an MKULTRA subject and he wasn't CIA

>> No.14327032

>>14326346
The Holy bibble

>> No.14327040

>>14326371
>>14326494
>”no no no not Joyce!”
>writes 700 roman a clef a la Joyce
>is a student of one of the most outspoken praise-singers of Joyce
>employs the same zero to one hundred buffoon style first employed in the Circe chapters of Ulysses
Now who do you think I’m going to believe, the facts before my eyes or some dumbshit over the internet who’s trying to “make a point?” Yeah, you can reference the intro to Slow Learner or even that American Literature article featuring Pynchon’s self-description for grant money, but it’s undeniable that any good thief wants to cover his track. Why do you think Hemingway disavowed Chekhov and Faulkner spoke ill of James?

>> No.14327099

>>14327040
:)

>> No.14327116

>>14327040
Ah yes, Joyce: noted inventor of the roman a clef. And you're absolutely right, you seeing some similarities between one stylistic aspect of Pynchon and a single chapter from Joyce comp!early btfo's the point that all the people who claim he is the successor to Joyce are overstating thkngs . Brilliant argument.

>> No.14327124

>>14326526
I'M DR POINTSMAN

>> No.14327128

>>14327032
jfc

>> No.14327129

>>14326629
that's bullshit but I believe it

>> No.14327148

Doesn't he, like, reference Joyce directly in GR? Hell, any good novelist knows you can get a lot of mileage just referencing your influences in the story itself.

>> No.14327367

>>14326346
The old article from the guy who knew him said he was a huge Borges fan

>> No.14327402

>>14327367
Lot 49 is lifted from a Borges story

>> No.14327595

>>14326346
Borges, Joyce, Beckett, Rilke is a massive one, Marquez, Conrad (I always felt like Conrad was the writer stylistically closest to Pynchon), Gaddis (no shocker there), a lot of the Beats so people like Keroac and Ginsberg, god knows how many 15th century spanish mystics joyce has also just casually put away, all the obvious classics as well: dickens, Mellville, Faulkner, Tolstoy

>> No.14327780

>>14327040
don't listen to other anons anon. Keep it going. You're right. They haven't read GR or Against the Day. It's more than Circe. Some parts of Eumaeus and Cyclops read straight-up like DFW, not to mention Pynchon.

>> No.14328311

>>14326887
The meme isn't really that he WAS CIA but his government work made him aware of certain goings on that he hinted at in his books decades before they became mainstream knowledge.

>> No.14328321

>>14326346
Baby DFW came as his fan, competitor, and then the teacher.

>> No.14329985

>>14326346
Metal Gear Solid

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>>14326752
>meme

>> No.14330693

>>14330104
what if it turned out that pynchon was ultimately behind this expose just to fuck with readers and the guy pictured is an actor

>> No.14330969

The Beats especially Kerouac
Nabokov
Borges
T.S. Eliot
Oakley Hall

>> No.14331103

Torquato Tasso

>> No.14331207

>>14331103
El guardia era Homero y le dije "hago rap por cuanto paso"

>> No.14331722

Daffy Duck, Bugs Bunny, Mo, Larry, Curly, etc. All the greats.

>> No.14333366

>>14330693
What a prank!

>> No.14333595

Fitzgerald first and foremost
Kerouac, Hemingway, Orwell,

Probably Hawthorne, Melville, Burroughs, Dickens

>> No.14334167

>>14326376
if he's the Jeff Koons of literature, why isn't he rich and fucking Illona Staller?

>> No.14334269

>>14326346
Anons might be surprised but I see a ton of Hemingway, especially in GR. Pynch didn’t adopt his style wholesale obviously but he shifts into something like it sometimes. I see similarities in the aesthetic “pay-off” of certain phrases. “They are in love. Fuck the war,” reminded me of it AFtA or TSaR.