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>To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities — I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not — that one endures.

What was his problem?

>> No.14307515

>>14307509
Being too based and redpilled

>> No.14307516

>>14307509
I can’t tell if he’s based are actually just having a prolonged mental breakdown in all his work

>> No.14307556

>>14307509
Brainlet philosopher

>> No.14307588

>>14307509
He knew God's birthing pains too intimately.

>> No.14307597

>>14307516
that’s the ideal border in philosophy

>> No.14307612

>>14307509
Modern philosophy was a mistake

>> No.14307621

>>14307509
Damn. That's profound as fuck.

>> No.14307642
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14307642

It is good news.

Friedrich Nietzsche is one of the philosophers with the most potential in the whole world, not only in the West, not only in Germany. His insights are significant for everybody. But he was misunderstood by all his contemporaries.

That's the usual fate of every genius.

It is almost routine, not an exception but a rule, that the genius is bound to be misunderstood by his contemporaries, for the simple reason that he is far ahead of his time. So there is always a revival after the death of a genius. It may take one hundred years, two hundred years, but a genius always has a revival.

It is unfortunate that by the time people start understanding him, he is no more. And he suffers the misunderstandings all around him his whole life. He lives almost alone, with no communication with his contemporaries; and by the time he is being understood, he is no more. He never comes to know the people who will understand him.

So it was absolutely certain that Friedrich Nietzsche would have a great revival, and his words and his insights would be echoed all over the world - not only in the world of philosophy, but in the world of religion, morality, aesthetics. Whatever he touched, he always brought something absolutely new to it.

And that's the trouble - because for thousands of years people have understood a thing in a certain way. When a person like Nietzsche turns all the tables - which centuries have founded - and alone, single-handedly, fights against the whole past, it is a very difficult situation - and more so for a Western philosopher who has no understanding of meditation.

He naturally gets very frustrated. It is bound to bring him insanity - the misunderstanding of the people. Everybody misunderstands him. In the world full of millions of people, there is not a single person with whom he can have a heart-to-heart contact, communion. He is in a desert - it drives him mad. That's what happened with Nietzsche.

He lived a life of immense frustration, because he was giving great insights to the world; and in return - only condemnation. He was bringing new light - and not a single friendly response_. Even his friends were not friendly about his philosophical approaches. That finally drove Nietzsche to madness; he died a madman.

His death in madness is a condemnation of the whole Western approach. In the East people have been misunderstood, but because there was an underlying meditative silence and peace and contentment, and a deep understanding that this is just how things are - they are bound to be misunderstood - there was a natural acceptance of it. They were not frustrated, they were not angry; they were not going insane or committing suicide.

>> No.14307658

>>14307642
Explain how the quote in the OP is wrongfully interpreted or gtfo pseud

>> No.14307671

>>14307658
It wasn't even interpreted.

>> No.14307672

>>14307658
It has nothing to do with the quote in the OP. You must be dense as shit.

>> No.14307676

>>14307642
based

>> No.14307679

>>14307672
Then why the fuck are you posting your retarded pasta here?

>> No.14307681

>>14307642
>His death in madness is a condemnation of the whole Western approach.
Nietzsche didn't go insane. He was physically deteriorating.

>> No.14307694

>>14307679
>>14307681
dumb niggers on /lit/ once again. He was mentally deteriorating.

>> No.14307695

>>14307681
that might be true, but you can also entertain the idea that it could be true and still love his philosophy, you aren't going to go insane too

>> No.14307711

>>14307642
Everything about this is good up until when Osho decides to interpret Nietzsche's brain cancer as being a philosophical event and then upsells his Indian faggotry at the end like anyone gives a shit.

>> No.14307728

>>14307509
if you understand Nietzsche's history youll understand that quote
He suffered his entire adult life from severe headaches and nausea
it sometimes incapacitated him for days, other times he would slam whatever shitty painkillers of the day were available and write for 12 hours straight
he isn't bullshitting when he says things like this
he suffered not stop and instead of letting it destroy him, he let his struggle define his humanity

>> No.14307747

>>14307711
okay mr.nobody

>> No.14307749

>>14307711
let's be honest, Nietzsche would have interpreted himself as a decadent if he was studying himself in the afterlife.

If he can say Socrates being butt ugly was a sign of his degeneracy, and therefore a weak-willed idiot grasping for power, i think Nietzsche's ghost and Osho are fully within their right to perceive Nietzsche's inherited brain disease as a sign of philosophical decay

>> No.14307750

>>14307728
If that were true, it'd only mean he was so weak he had to justify his suffering as a universally desirable experience to feel better about his life.

>> No.14307757

>>14307747
>mr.nobody
Everyone in India is a nobody lol, that's why that shit he pulls at the end is ridiculous.

>> No.14307780

>>14307757
lol okay

>> No.14307800

>>14307750
he literally wrote a complete condemnation of that attitude

>> No.14307809

>>14307800
why would believe that?

>> No.14307812

>>14307800
I'm referring to the quote in the OP

> I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not — that one endures.

>> No.14307814

>>14307809
because that guy is mistaking Nietzsche's wish for struggle as a slave morality

>> No.14307816

>>14307597
Maybe if you have this romanticised vision of philosophers as intellectual mavericks cutting through a forest of ignorance. I prefer my philosophers to be old and restrained.

>> No.14307821

>>14307812
can you stop being a one quote reactionary and fucking look into it for once in your life

>> No.14307834

>>14307821
I'm discussing the quote in the OP you fucking retard. Can you follow a simple conversation on a simple topic you spastic mouth-breather?

>> No.14307843

>>14307834
what a fucking slave you are

>> No.14307849

>>14307834
yeah and if you understood his body of work at an elementary level you wouldn't have to ask these retarded fucking questions

>> No.14307856

Can anyone refute the quote? The only guarantees of a living organism is to suffer and die. As conscious organisms we have the capacity to choose to end the suffering prematurely. Therefore it seems like one of the most fundamental measures of a conscious organism is how much suffering they can endure before they die.

>> No.14307860

>>14307849
>>14307843
Yeah fucking cope you retards. Come back when you can address the topic at hand instead of hiding behind "you don't understand the complexity!!!" baby-tier arguments.

I'm not discussing Nietzsche's work in general, I'm discussing this particular quote. If you can't understand this, then get the fuck out of this thread bitch.

>> No.14307877

>>14307860
is this a way of saying im retarded, i want to discuss one thing and one thing only. What a fucking absolute retard you are.

>> No.14307878

>>14307860
>f-fucking cope
again, if you know his basic concepts, you would not be making the retarded fucking statements that you are
shut the fuck up and go read instead of trying and failing to flex one a single out of context quote which was already explained to you

>> No.14307879

>>14307877
>>14307878
>no argument
Gotcha

>> No.14308727

>>14307509
this nigga retarded

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14308739

>>14307509
If you don't agree with this quote then you're not who he's talking about

>> No.14309676

It's from the will to power so we can't be sure Nietzsche actually wrote that

>> No.14309687

>>14309676
he wrote will to power. this is stupid.

>> No.14309755

for zoomers or anyone below 25
if you think N is a great guy read Beyond Good and Evil every year
It's really the best work he has all else is either better done by other philosophers or is quasi prophetic non sense.

>> No.14309769

>>14309755
>quasi prophetic non sense
He was no mere philosopher, what he was doing WAS prophecy. To classify him with the likes of Mill and Kant is to do him a disservice. He belongs up there with the likes of Jesus, Muhammad and the Buddha.

>> No.14309792

>>14309769
>To classify him with the likes of Mill and Kant
i didn't
yeah well you're doing him a disservice putting him on a pedestal like that imho
i am pretty certain modernity is going to sort of normalize for the centuries to come. the memes that ENDURE from here on would probably gain religious status (or something comparable).
Jesus Muhammad and Buddha are already looking like "the old champions" from where I am sitting. We will probably need new ones before we can proceed with our evolution

>> No.14309814

>>14309792
He did it himself when he wrote Thus Spoke Zarathustra. It is more fitting to call it scripture than it is to call it anything else. I'm not saying we should literally worship Nietzsche, likewise literally worshipping Muhammad or the Buddha is idolatry of the highest order, I'm saying there's a mission to his work beyond simple philosophising.

>We will probably need new ones before we can proceed with our evolution
Precisely.

>> No.14309876

>>14307509
I feel that Nietzsche found the right balance between vague and profound for people to ascribe whatever deep meaning they found amazing to him, allowing people to endlessly argue and be amazed over what he wrote. That's the main reason why he's still talked about, though the same could be said for most other philosophers.

>> No.14309975

>>14308739
This

>> No.14309991

>>14309792
I'm a litlet and this is so inspiring, what books should I read to kill my optimism?

>> No.14310254

>>14309991
read the unabomber manifesto
the board needs more anarchists for better discussion

>> No.14310522

>>14308739
Cringe

>> No.14310832

>>14309876
I really don't understand this so-called "vagueness" in his writing that everyone seems to refer to. His writing is more direct and lucid than any other philosopher's and there's nothing up for debate about what he thought.

>> No.14310878

>>14307749
That the brain disease was inherited is only one of the countless theories about his ill health and breakdown. Another theory is that he picked up syphilis as a student and never had it treated.

I, in any case, prefer to think of his medical history as an indication that the standard "new Nietzschean" line of "oh how ironic, he glorified physical strength and toughness but he was, himself, so weak and frail and sickly" is as full of shit as everything else they say.

He managed to keep marching up and down mountains for twenty years making notes in a pocket notebook which he then used to write some of the greatest books ever written even though he had a virulent, then-incurable virus eating away at his organs, so he was certainly no "degenerate" or "weakling" from where I'm standing.

>> No.14310899

>>14307509
He’s basically saying that unserious individuals tend to cast their attention and self worth towards and through individuals not themselves, distractions instead of seeking truth

>> No.14310902

>>14307516
one of my teachers told me he went mad because he thought too much

>> No.14310931

>>14310832
Well, it depends what writing of his you are referring to.
Sorry, but Nietzsche himself is partly to blame for all this "oh but his writing is so subtle and ambiguous and many-layered; you can read it as misogynistic but also as feminist, as elitist but also democratic" bullshit that today's "Nietzsche scholars" come out with.
He had this weird vain little tic whereby he kept suggesting that there were "secret messages" in his work that you had to pay really really close attention to "get". He does this, for example, as late as the 1886 prefaces he wrote for his earlier works.
But then, just a year or so later, he was writing, as you say, the LEAST misunderstandable works in the history of philosophy. No one can possibly misunderstand what he is saying in The Antichrist, for example: he hates Jews; he thinks Christians are just Jews by another name; and he wants to purge the earth of all these whingeing weaklings and their sick glorification of failure.

But because he had written, just a year or two before, all this stuff about how "there are secrets within secrets in my writing and masks within masks" these "new Nietzschean" faggots can come along with actual apparent textual evidence to support their bullshit that goes:

"Oh no no no, he wasn't an anti-Semite and he didn't want to destroy or really change anything; his position is actually much too subtle and ambiguous and nuanced for us to draw any of these ugly right-wing conclusions from it".

>> No.14310950

>>14310931
lol.
Way to kill a Nietzsche thread on /lit/: post something that suggests you may actually have read the guy

>> No.14310969

>>14310931
So scholars are idiots, therefore he's vague? And what secret messages are there in The Birth of Tragedy or Philosophy in the Tragic Age of the Greeks or Human, All Too Human or The Gay Science, exactly? There's only one book that isn't written in a clear-cut aphoristic format, and even that is fairly straightforward.

>> No.14310997

>>14310969
This is what he wrote about his own writing in the 1886 preface to Morgenroete/
But, after all, why must we proclaim so loudly and with such intensity what we are, what we want, and what we do not want? Let us look at this more calmly and wisely; from a higher and more distant point of view. Let us proclaim it, as if among ourselves, in so low a tone that all the world fails to hear it and us! Above all, however, let us say it slowly.... This preface comes late, but not too late: what, after all, do five or six years matter? Such a book, and such a problem, are in no hurry; besides, we are friends of the lento, I and my book. I have not been a philologist in vain—perhaps I am one yet: a teacher of slow reading. I even come to write slowly. At present it is not only my habit, but even my taste—a perverted taste, maybe—to write nothing but what will drive to despair every one who is “in a hurry.” For philology is that venerable art which exacts from its followers one thing above all—to step to one side, to leave themselves spare moments, to grow silent, to become slow—the leisurely art of the goldsmith applied to language: an art which must carry out slow, fine work, and attains nothing if not lento. For this very reason philology is now more desirable than ever before; for this very reason it is the highest attraction and incitement in an age of “work”: that is to say, of haste, of unseemly and immoderate hurry-skurry, [pg 009] which is intent upon “getting things done” at once, even every book, whether old or new. Philology itself, perhaps, will not “get things done” so hurriedly: it teaches how to read well: i.e. slowly, profoundly, attentively, prudently, with inner thoughts, with the mental doors ajar, with delicate fingers and eyes ... my patient friends, this book appeals only to perfect readers and philologists: learn to read me well!

It has undoubtedly done him tremendous harm.

>> No.14311044

>>14310997
And don't get me wrong. I agree with YOU rather than what Nietzsche says here about HIMSELF.
His works are, generally speaking, crystal clear and unambiguous.
I wouldn't, admittedly, have chosen the three examples you choose - an early work and two middle-period ones - as the best examples of his clarity.
In the first work, he says what he wants to say fairly clearly - but what he wants to say is worthless Schopenhauerian mysticism.
And in The Gay Science he really does lapse into obfuscating affectation now and again.
The real object lessons in brave, loud, unaffected clarity are the works of his last sane year, 1888, which are so different from everything else he wrote in so many ways.
In these works, for example, he just drops all that neo-Kantian nonsense about there "being no truth, only interpretations" that has been even more the ruin of his legacy than his talk about "there being secret meanings here" and blasts out, in the simplest and crudest language, truths that are even more "dynamite" today than in 1888.

>> No.14311045

>>14310899
Learn to write before posting schizo

>> No.14311049

>>14310950
Cringe

>> No.14311062

>>14311049
Wow. Just what we needed. A spotty little monosyllabic 12-year-old who can tell us hiw to read Nietzsche.

>> No.14311079

>>14311049
But yeah, you're right. I should have given up on the thread. I actually know something about Nietzsche and thought I might be able to give you some guidance. But I was forgetting that /lit/ is for needy little children to come and LARP at being literate. Bye.

>> No.14311111

>>14310902
Many such cases!

>> No.14311122

>>14310931
That post is a nice way of showing you never actually read him.

>> No.14311128

>>14310902
>he went mad because he thought too much
how is this possible?

>> No.14311144

>>14311079
>>14311062
Don't come back

>> No.14311167

>>14311122
Typical /lit/-tier "argument".

I have actually read just about everything Nietzsche ever wrote, and in German.

If you wish to contest my characterizations of The Birth of Tragedy, or The Gay Science, or the last works of 1888, feel free to do so.

But I suspect that, since we are on /lit/, you are just not going to be able to rise much above:

"U are wrong because u are wrong n cos I say so u mad fagit lol"

are you?

>> No.14311174

>>14311045
>>14311049
>>14311111
>>14311122
>>14311128
>>14311144
Great "Nietzsche discussion", guise. Keep it up.

>> No.14311187

>>14311174
/lit/ is not here to impress you or educate you faggot. Go back to r*ddit where you can dump your pseud posts

>> No.14311218

>>14311187
No, I was actually here to educate /lit/, simply because I am someone who has read every word of Nietzsche in the original language and was willing, out of the kindness of my heart, to answer your questions about him.
But we have seen what happens when such an offer is made to this board. Sneering, vain, spotty ignorant little wannabe-edgy high-schoolers get unbearably triggered and try to make up for their inability to engage in any form of dialogue or debate by dropping turds of cheap baiting and shit-talking from their spotty scared little asses

>> No.14311220

>>14311167
>I have actually read just about everything Nietzsche ever wrote, and in German.
Then you're possibly just retarded. He didn't hate jews at all. Throughout his works he constantly accuses the anti-semitism of his contemporaries.

>> No.14311222

>>14311218
There's no value in reading if you don't understand

>> No.14311228

>>14311218
>No, I was actually here to educate /lit/
oh boy lmao

>> No.14311294

>>14311220
Again, typical of /lit/
A smug, ignorant 14-year-old who desperately wants to sound like he thinks so much more deeply than everyone else and so has seized on the first little tidbit of "insider knowledge" that lefty schoolteachers and professors and YouTube video-makers feed to the ignorant, gullible and entirely unread and run with it.

The "Nietzsche had nothing against Jews" thing is the favorite ridiculous and obvious lie peddled by today's industry of Nietzsche-misrepresentation and kids like you always fall for it because it offers you an easy way to sound and feel superior and tell people "oh you have obviously just been reading old Nazi-era secondary literature instead of actually reading THE TEXTS like I have".
You haven't read the texts, kid. If you had you would know that he lambasts the Jews savagely all the way through the Genealogy of Morals and The Antichrist and states them quite clearly to be a poison that has brought humanity to the brink of self-annihilation.
The lie your libtard teachers have pushed at you - and that you swallowed hook, like and sinker, being too lazy to read the books - is that Nietzsche's being critical of ANTI-SEMITES is the same thing as his being against all ANTI-SEMITISM. "Die Anti-Semiten" that he often refers to derogatorily in his writing were a specific political current in 19th century Germany with whom he did have serious points of disagreement. The main one was that "die Anti-Semiten" considered themselves, as Aryan Christians, to be without any connection to Jews or Judaism, whereas Nietzsche saw all Christians as "three-quarter Jews" and despised these "anti-Semites" as nowhere near anti-Jewish ENOUGH.

So please, kid, stop thinking that your teachers are going to be able to provide you with a short cut to sounding smart and go and actually read a book - by Nietzsche or indeed by anyone

>> No.14311309

>>14311294
Post antisemitism evidence from Nietzsche

>> No.14311313

>>14311294
Is this pasta? The quality is so bad it has to be.

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>>14311218
In over 10 years of using this website, this is the most autistic post I've ever read.

>> No.14311363

>>14311309
The passages I could cite are almost countless:

"But why do you talk of nobler ideals? Let us submit to the facts; that the people have triumphed—or the slaves, or the populace, or the herd, or whatever name you care to give them—if this has happened through the Jews, so be it! In that case no nation ever had a greater mission in the world's history. The 'masters' have been done away with; the morality of the vulgar man has triumphed. This triumph may also be called a blood-poisoning (it has mutually fused the races)—I do not dispute it; but there is no doubt but that this intoxication has succeeded. The 'redemption' of the human race (that is, from the masters) is progressing swimmingly; everything is obviously becoming Judaised, or Christianised, or vulgarised (what is there in the words?). It seems impossible to stop the course of this poisoning through the whole body politic of mankind—but its tempo and pace may from the present time be slower, more delicate, quieter, more discreet—there is time enough"
The Genealogy of Morals

"The Jews are the most remarkable people in the history of the world, for when they were confronted with the question, to be or not to be, they chose, with perfectly unearthly deliberation, to be at any price: this price involved a radical falsification of all nature, of all naturalness, of all reality, of the whole inner world,
as well as of the outer. They put themselves against all those conditions under which, hitherto, a people had been able to live, or had even been permitted to live; out of themselves they evolved an idea which stood in direct opposition to natural conditions—one by one they distorted religion, civilization, morality, history and psychology until each became a contradiction of its natural significance. We meet with the same phenomenon later on, in an incalculably exaggerated form, but only as a copy: the Christian church, put beside the “people of God,” shows a complete lack of any claim to originality. Precisely for this reason the Jews are the most fateful people in the history of the world: their influence has so falsified the reasoning of mankind in this matter that today the Christian can cherish anti-Semitism without realizing that it is no more than the final consequence of Judaism"What follows, then?

Or, if you prefer just the outright vulgar anti-Semitic statement that JEWS STINK:

"That one had better put on gloves before reading the New Testament. The presence of so much filth makes it very advisable. One would as little choose “early Christians” for companions as Polish Jews: not that one need seek out an objection to them.... Neither has a pleasant smell."
The Antichrist

>> No.14311366

>>14311313
Oh look. Another "This is wrong because it is wrong and I'm too dumb and ignorant to give a single reason why" contribution.
What great minds have graced us with their participation today

>> No.14311374

even if Nietzsche did hate jews
what does that change?

>> No.14311382

>>14311363
Based. Thanks anon

>> No.14311384

>>14311326
Aaaaaaand yet another uppity little 14-year-old whose contribution is - you guessed it - "That bad post was bad because it was bad and I would give my reasons for thinking so but Mommy says I can't use the computer any more today"

>> No.14311386

>>14311366
Is this a character?
or are you actually like this?
I mean, as like a literary exercise for creating dialogue for an extremely unlikable person, you're doing great

>> No.14311396

>>14311374
Well, when you realize that just about every university course taught on Nietzsche today, and just about every book published on him, begins and often even ends with this totally false piece of information about him....it kind of makes you think, doesn't it?

>> No.14311405

>>14311218
Which of his works would you recommend to a man striving to improve himself? Which is the most inspiring? I agree with Nietzsche's claim that suffering is necessary for growth, but much of my own pain has left me weakened and exhausted. I have vastly improved my character over the past year, but there is still much work to be done. And there always will be.

>> No.14311422

>>14307509
>What was his problem?
A fragile ego

>> No.14311454

>>14311396
not really
if you understand the historical context of ww2 and America then you'll realize it is necessary to sanitize Nietzsche of anti semitism or else one of the most important works of philosophy of all time would get shunned on a technicality

>> No.14311476

>>14311405
As I say, the Nietzsche of the final year - the author of The Antichrist, Twilight of the Idols and Ecce Homo - may as well be a different philosopher from all the "Nietzsches" that went before.
All the stuff that the SJWs love him for - "there is no truth, only interpretations" etc - and that really confuses and shits up his philosophy up until 1887, he just throw out the window in this last year.
In these works of 1888, he certainly DOES believe in one truth: a truth you can see, a truth you can SMELL.
By the way, nothing sums up just how fucked "Nietzsche education" is these days than this old Info Wars video in which Alex Jones's boy Owen Schroyer comes up against a blue-haired, septum-pierced (and kind of pretty) philosophy student at anti-Trump rally.
See 11.10 on
Septum girl: "Why are you here? What do you represent?"
Schroyer: "I represent truth!"
Septum girl: (hysterical laugh) "Ha! Well, you read Nietzsche and you'll find out what truth is!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nThsI0-Fajg

Grotesquely, Nietzsche's philosophy has passed over, today, into the hands of those he would most have despised: the party of "ressentiment" that wants to tear down all hierarchy and mastery.

Once again, though, it's really Nietzsche himself who is to blame. UP UNTIL the works of his last year, this "there is no truth" so beloved of blue-haired trans-friendly feminists really was a key element in his thought.

Thank goodness, in 1888 he woke up.

>> No.14311490

>>14311454
oh, so you're saying it is worth completely misrepresenting everything he wrote just so a course called "Nietzsche" can get taught at US universities.
Then why bother to use Nietzsche's books on that course at all, then? Why not just teach the kids John Stuart Mill and tell them they are learning Nietzsche?
We've pretty much reached that point anyway

>> No.14311492

>>14311294
which jew are you referring to? the jew of ressentiment-fueled slave morality or the modern 21st century jew of tinfoil conspiracies? the two are vastly different but I wouldn't mind some segue into a clear line connecting the two with respect to Nietzsche.

>> No.14311497

>>14311476
Thank you.

>> No.14311527

>>14311476
Dear God that video is depressing.

>> No.14311540

>>14311492
>the modern 21st century jew of tinfoil conspiracies
oh puh-leeze, I can see where you are going with this one: "all these Trump-supporters who denounce a concerted effort in recent years to undermine masculinity, racial identity and other pillars of what Nietzsche called master morality are in fact representatives of slave morality"

I don't know how many varieties of pretzel-shape you would have to twist yourself into to try to give THAT some credibility but whatever, I prefer to keep things simple:

the trannies, the queers, the niggers and wiggers and stronk wimmin who doan need no man who are being rammed down our throat 24/7 as "the heroes of our time" are "the party of ressentiment", the party of death.

And those who stand against them - even if they take the form of a fat old guy with orange skin and a Jewish son-in-law - are the closest thing we have today to Napoleon and the Borgia Pope that Nietzsche dreamed of

>> No.14311551

>>14311540
not the question i was asking but thanks anyway. thankfully i don't live in america.

>> No.14311565

>>14311527
It's pretty scary. NO THINKER has ever been so completely hi-jacked and distorted beyond recognition as Nietzsche has. The hi-jacking of Marx by the so-called "revisionists" was nothing in comparison.
It's as if globalist leftism has sensed what a danger Nietzsche can be to them and have mounted a massive operation of systematic miseducation

>> No.14311572

>>14307509
to this day i don't understand the hysteria around this man. i love his work. its clever, intelligent, and informed. most of the time he makes his points clearly and avoids ambiguity and confusion. why cant we just appreciate the man for what he wrote? he's jerked in so many directions, appropriated by so many movements, its insane. i'll never understand it.

>> No.14311588

>>14311490
if removing little jabs towards jews gets you so assblasted you have to ask yourself where your priorities lie
they guy spends 99.9% of his time not talking about this shit, but you fucking sperg out because muh edgy antisemitism was removed from a couple passages
how socially inept are you that you can't understand why jewish translators are probably not in favor of advertising anti jewish propaganda from a german writer in an era where they have recently been genocided

>> No.14311599

>>14311572
In his last, best work he very definitely HAD a "direction". He was as much a "philosopher serving a cause" as Marx was.
Fuck that "appreciate him in his indefinable, ever-shifting, rich ambiguity" noise.
We NEED him today more than he was needed in his own age because Western civilization is literally on the brink of self-destruction by the self-weariness and self-disgust that he analyzed. But we need to see and know him as someone who said cold, simple things coldly and simply

>> No.14311642
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>>14311599
>Western civilization is literally on the brink of self-destruction

>> No.14311723

>>14311642
All the world's political leaders are genuflecting in front of a brainwashed, self-confessedly seriously mentally-ill 16-year-old girl who dresses and does her hair like she's 6 years younger.
The likely next party of government in the most powerful nation in the world is non-ironically devoting time in its debates to establish a presidential nominee to arguing about whether men who call themselves women but have no uterus should have full or only limited access to abortion
The birthplace and cradle of every value and ideal that Nietzsche ever cared about, Europe, is fully aware that it is going to be the object of full-scale assault over the next twenty years by an Africa with five or ten times its population that will want to cross the Mediterranean more or less en masse but the "enlightened" among its peoples have put a taboo, and in many cases a legally enforeceable ban, on even talking about defensive measures.

"I know my destiny. There will come a day when my name will recall the memory of something formidable—a crisis the like of which has never been known on earth, the memory of the most profound clash of consciences, and the passing of a sentence upon all that which theretofore had been believed, exacted, and hallowed"

He wasn't wrong. But people were wrong who thought that the great crisis his name would be associated with was just Naziism and WW2

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>>14311642
Take the dildo out of your ass and look at the demographic data faggot

>> No.14311769

>>14311723
>minor social issues over neoliberalism are a bigger existential threat than a world consuming conflict that annihilated 85 million people and nearly resulted in a nuclear apocalypse
study some history and stop viewing the world through alt right memes kid

>> No.14311801

>>14311750
even if Europe was completely obliterated (it won't be) the world would not even skip a beat
I actually enjoy seeing you indentitarian pussies get squeezed, crying and throwing tantrums like the fragile little cucks that you are

>> No.14311836

>>14311801
Yeah, well, this is a thread about Nietzsche, so if you seriously do consider the obliteration of the physico-cultural entity that produced Greek and Roman civilization and the Renaissance to be a matter of no importance that can only mean one of two things:

(a) Nietzsche is a writer of no relevance to you about whom you have nothing to contribute

or

(b) whatever you may associate with or mean by "Nietzsche" is as totally fucked and random as what the girl with the septum piercing in the video associates with him

>> No.14311843

>>14307509
He wanted you to become strong, OP. Going to the gym and eating 1000$ diets is not becoming strong. One can only obtain strength though suffering. It is the way of life.

>> No.14311930

>>14311836
no it's just that knowledge can easily continue despite whatever moronic conflicts men become obsessed with, so the material conditions of modern europeans are of no consequence to the overall project, in fact the modern european as encountered on 4chan seems like an insecure waif incapable of courageous thought and action
let the hordes take them, they are a spent people with nothing but whining and weakness to offer the modern discourse

>> No.14312370

>>14311769
>Big explosion is most powerful mankind threat, nothing rival big BOOM!!!
All the nukes in the world can't stop mussies from raping your daughter, you are retarded

>> No.14312591

>>14307515
Honestly this

>> No.14312842

>>14312370
holy fuck you are spooked beyond what I thought humanly possible