The best nonfiction book of the year

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Anonymous Sat Dec 7 04:51:20 2019 No.14303503 [Reply] [Original]

The best nonfiction book of the year

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 04:59:03 2019 No.14303528 Kill all Jews.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:00:19 2019 No.14303532
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>>14303503

>those two surnames
>that rat-faced kike self-insert of Caplan top center
>all the bugpeople with no philia, all-in-together-now

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Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:07:01 2019 No.14303549

This is a parody you found on /pol/ with the title and authors' names changed, right? The original is some children's picture book about how America is a melting pot, right? This is the equivalent of slapping A. Wyatt Man text on a Garrison or Horsey cartoon, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:08:07 2019 No.14303554 >>14303549 I myself was initially skeptical, but it is in fact real. You can look it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:08:45 2019 No.14303558 >>14303503 Is that the guy from the Australian meme?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:12:28 2019 No.14303570

>>14303549
No, the book is real and the author's names remain unchanged.
The book also openly tells that restricting immigration is wrong because a person can't do nuthing for the place he was born into and equates it with Jim Crow and Nuremberg laws. So if you happen to be in a shit hole ruined by like-minded people why not go to the USA instead?
By this point, /pol/ really doesn't have to fake leftist stuff which clearly shows their obvious disconnection to reality. All the stuff is already there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:16:23 2019 No.14303583 >>14303570 >So if you happen to be in a shit hole ruined by like-minded people why not go to the USA instead? You mean shit hole ruined by the USA?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:19:30 2019 No.14303590 >>14303583 Like China, Pakistan, India, sub-Saharan Africa and so on? Not really, and even then what does that prove? The always disliked leadership fucked over some country in the middle of nowhere and that's it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 05:27:32 2019 No.14303611

>>14303503
I'm not sure if it's the best book of the year. I don't think Caplan did a great job addressing the moral arguments. It was really good, however.

What I like about Caplan is that he makes a point of addressing counterarguments. You might think 'but what about X?' in one chapter, but often the next chapter is dedicated to showing why X isn't a big deal. It makes his books almost like a debate, which is nice.

Also, I feel like a graphic 'novel' like this does a decent job of bridging the gap between article and book. There are far too many non-fiction books that are just articles padded and repeated to fit 250 pages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 06:50:59 2019 No.14303810 >>14303503 I imagine they deny the modern knowledge we have of IQ, heritability, and race, therefore making the book unscientific.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 06:55:27 2019 No.14303824 >>14303583 A shithole is a shithole because of their population first and economic situation second.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 06:58:08 2019 No.14303831 >white Americans bitching about immigrants Never gets old

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 06:58:26 2019 No.14303833 File: 1.08 MB, 963x1152, magic.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303503 Literally relies upon magic.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:06:01 2019 No.14303857
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So his reasoning for saying large, unrestricted immigration won't effect the political direction of a country are:
>Poor people don't vote
>The government doesn't respond to poor people
>The second generation votes like Americans
All are wrong, as demonstrated by every minority controlled city in America.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:10:35 2019 No.14303867 >>14303833 The three word response to this is "Turks in Germany"

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:11:42 2019 No.14303870

>>14303857
>>14303833
He still seems stuck in the problematical idea that 'American culture' is somehow the norm that immigrants should aspire to and that they should change to fit in rather than changing America to suit themselves. In fact immigrants can't help but improve the culture and politics of America while improving their own material circumstances. Immigration is a win-win

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:14:15 2019 No.14303875 >>14303870 Yes, neither America nor Honduras is optimal, but some position half way between these two states is ideal.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:18:20 2019 No.14303885

>>14303867
The three word response to this is "Any minority in any nation". Why? Because biology tells us that any animal prefers to breed in-group due to greater genetical similarities. What does that mean? It means that any animal and any human is instinctively drawn to preferring/advantaging their own kind. Now boundaries of cultures do in fact happen to align themselves pretty neatly with gene boundaries so the "meme" ultimately won't act independently from the gene despite what many will tell you. Any minority in any country never lived nor lives "with" the majority. They only live next to them, segregated where the amount of contact is reduced to the absolute minimum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:24:38 2019 No.14303898 >>14303885 The history of migration and interracial fucking suggests you are wrong. Most white women for instance will actively seek out the 'other' in preference to sex with white men

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:30:33 2019 No.14303912 >>14303810 No they don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:32:31 2019 No.14303914 >>14303875 yfw you realize the united states is the reason honduras and much of latin america is a shithole

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:34:24 2019 No.14303920 >>14303914 And? Why would that make me want to let their residents immigrate here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:34:52 2019 No.14303923 >>14303833 >culture spreads by persuasion or immersion >puts SCIENCE in big letters on the front cover That's not how culture spreads at all. This guy needs to read recent work in cultural anthropology.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:39:53 2019 No.14303930

>>14303898
You know, your comment is wrong but you still post it.
>>14303923
It isn't about science. It has never been. It's all about political agenda. Making forced immigration (thus guarantueeing low wages, democratic voting blocks and dividing a up until then unified people) tasty by claiming that either it will benefit white people or it's the whitey's fault anyway for some claimed but ultimately not proven exploitation 80 years ago.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:40:16 2019 No.14303934

>>14303920
because they're not as murderous and destructive as wh*te people. but the best solution would be to abolish capitalism and all states so that people don't have to flee their homes as a result of foreign powers like the united states constantly fucking them over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:43:24 2019 No.14303941 >>14303934 I do not care how much we fucked over their country. It doesn't to me in any shape or form and I have no sympathy at all for their plight. Keep them the fuck out.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:48:24 2019 No.14303958 >>14303930 >that either it will benefit white people or it's the whitey's fault anyway This is the bullshit they pull. "mass immigration is great for you, also its a punishment for your wrongs."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:51:38 2019 No.14303971 >>14303934 >itappearsthatmysuperiorityhascausedsomecontroversy.jpg Damn it feels good to be white

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:52:49 2019 No.14303975 >>14303857 Based and Il-Duce-pilled old Italian woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:54:31 2019 No.14303982 >>14303833 >>14303857 >It seems to me >In my experience Very scientific indeed my Jewish friend

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:56:19 2019 No.14303987
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>>14303898
The larger the ethnic diversity, the less likely people are to marry outside of their groups. Which makes sense - if you're from the only Indian family in the town you're (hopefully) not going to marry your sister and are more likely to look for a partner in the dominent ethnic group. If enough Indians are in your town though you can create your own separate community, and an ethnic group can survive for thousands of years as a minority - see Jews, Romani Gypsys, Amish, Chinese in SE Asia etc. etc. etc. etc.
The West will be a caste based society in a thousand years.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:57:56 2019 No.14303992

>>14303971
It's not even that. As Jonathan Bowden put it:
>When the Greeks sacked a city in internal warfare, everyone would be enslaved. But they did not remember, when their bards sang of their victories, that they had denied human rights of other Greek city states.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 07:58:03 2019 No.14303993 >>14303898 Go dilate tranny

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:06:58 2019 No.14304022 >>14303992 Nice phrase. What's your point? Greeks should have let in more immigrants?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:10:32 2019 No.14304035

>>14304022
That any alleged mistreatment of one group by a second group in the interest of the advancement of that second group would of course be carried out. The "it's not nice to be mean to other groups" weakness just leads to you being taken advantage of, and in the end becoming that group that is done down by another.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:14:10 2019 No.14304041

>>14303993
It hurts because it's true. White women have an instinctive reaction to the presence of black males. Her body thrills with sexual tension. Her vagina begins to get wet and elongate in preparation for a large black penis. She knows on a primitive level that this is a man and white boys cannot compare.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:18:25 2019 No.14304049 >>14304041 whatever gets your dick hard tranny

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:19:36 2019 No.14304053 >>14303941 >Keep them the fuck out. no >>14303971 imagine claiming superiority as you post on 4chan. literally the only thing from which you can derive any shred self worth is from the accomplishments of great people who happened to be "white."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:25:12 2019 No.14304065 >>14304053 Its hilarious you you have no issue attacking people because of the actions of others who also "happened to be white", but when I then claim superiority on the same grounds, its suddenly a problem. You're a hypocrite and a fool.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:26:07 2019 No.14304069

>>14303958
>"mass immigration is great for you, also its a punishment for your wrongs."
It's win-win then. Dismantling white supremacy will benefit white people almost as much as dismantling patriarchy will benefit men. I'd recommend Orwell's 'Shooting an Elephant' essay if you are confused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:26:38 2019 No.14304072 >>14303611 You have to go back, Bryan

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:28:52 2019 No.14304081 >>14303833 most of europe is a counterexample lel second-gen muslims are more radical than their parents

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:28:52 2019 No.14304082 >>14303611 >What I like about Caplan is that he makes a point of addressing counterarguments This your first time reading a book with arguments in it?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:52:56 2019 No.14304152

>>14303833
Extremely telling how the illustration of cultural assimilation is a Korean fusion food truck. Who cares if your daughters are raped and murdered by backwards migrants when you can get some tasty falafel?! I wonder why they didn’t show immigrants in Christian mass, which historically has been a cultural connecting point for African-Americans and Mexicans, which are typically viewed as “American” while others are often left out, in American culture.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:01:44 2019 No.14304182 >>14303857 >voters are highly irrational Not really. They only appear irrational when you judge their voting behavior by outdated, oversimplified, and misspecified economic models.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:06:33 2019 No.14304198

>>14304152
Extremely telling that you pretend to care about sexual violence only when it gives you an excuse to attack groups you don't approve of. Do you do much work to educate young men on consent? How involved are you with reclaim the night marches?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:12:17 2019 No.14304226

>>14304198

>you pretend to care about sexual violence only when

From what part of his post did you deduce that he doesn't care about sexual violence otherwise?

>Do you do much work to educate young men on consent? How involved are you with reclaim the night marches?

How involved are you with holocaust memorial services? You aren't you say? Well that surely implies you support the Holocaust and are literally a nazi!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:13:19 2019 No.14304230 >>14304198 >Do you do much work to educate young men on consent? How involved are you with reclaim the night marches? Absolutely hilarious that you believe these are actual ways to prevent sexual violence

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:13:28 2019 No.14304232 >>14304152 >darkies are only bad if they rape and kill Kek, this is why the white race is doomed. All it takes is some liberal sophist like Nigel Farage or Donald Trump to neutralize your anger, while he continues with the program.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:13:59 2019 No.14304234

>>14303833
You'll notice how the only examples of culture these people can provide is food. Nobody gives a shit about Arabic music or Vietnamese art, but as soon as food is introduced everyone goes into a frenzy about how we need more diverse cuisine for the sake of broadening our cultural horizons.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:20:17 2019 No.14304260

Kill the whitey your time is up hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa oh oONH OHHHHHHHHHHHHH I IM IMMMMAA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING AAAAAAAHHHhh ah yes that was a very good coom

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:22:03 2019 No.14304265 >>14303833 why is it drawn and written in this way, is this supposed to be for children?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:27:48 2019 No.14304289 >>14304234 >Arabic music Literally doesn't exist. It's haram.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:38:03 2019 No.14304315 >>14303528 this desu

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:39:05 2019 No.14304319 File: 72 KB, 700x540, a new home.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304232 Maybe big daddy China can save whitey. I'm sure they'll at least put some in reservations, for entertainment purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:48:15 2019 No.14304361 >>14303570 There is no Democrat politician that supports unregulated immigration, it's just a boogeyman the Right likes to use to strawman their opponents.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:54:15 2019 No.14304379 >>14304361 >US Democrat politicians == the entire global left talk about a strawman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:59:09 2019 No.14304406 >>14304379 It's not a strawman, that anon specifically mentioned the US, and Republicans pretend that Democrats are for open borders all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:01:52 2019 No.14304418 File: 17 KB, 330x500, 41fu-Ci3mPL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A good book about the science and ethics of migration.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:02:43 2019 No.14304423 >>14304406 When you advocate for giving illegal immigrants access to services subsidized by taxpayer dollars, you might as well just say you're for open borders.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:05:49 2019 No.14304434

>>14304234
To expand on this point you should look at ethnic reactions to white people making ethnic food themselves. They go into a hysterical rage because (I think) they can tell on some level that the only """objective""" benefit they offer to white people is food diversity. When white people figure out how to make their food they lose the only justification for their existence in the West. This isn't even being hyperbolic either, food diversity is the only concrete example of diversity being a strength that we are typically offered lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:07:41 2019 No.14304449 >>14303934 >fuck over a country >their people despise you and want your ruin >"i should let them in"

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:08:02 2019 No.14304451
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>>14304361
>>14304406
There are large parts of the USA that do not cooperate with the Federal government on illegal immigration, to the point where they would rather allow rapists back onto the street than hand them over for deportation.
You're right, outside of a few extreme kooks, most democrats are not for 'free movement', they're just for 'zero enforcement'. Manage to cross the border that is completely undefended? Congratulations! They will promise not make any effort to deport you, enjoy your quasi-legal status.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:08:36 2019 No.14304453 >>14303824 A look at history (East vs West Germany, North vs South Korea) calls this model into question.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:09:55 2019 No.14304461

I remember this Weinersmith guy from years ago. He did that smug reddit comic SMBC that regularly took swipes at philosophy from a scientism POV. Always interesting to see dudes from years ago on the internet and realize they haven't grown philosophically.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:12:43 2019 No.14304473 >>14304423 Ho, moving the goalposts already. That's okay, since you are wrong in that as well. Have you heard of a little thing called an excise tax?

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>>14304453
>Brains good
>Communism bad
>Oil good
>Tax haven leach good
God! Why does it have to be so complicated! How could anyone make sense of the world! It's so terribly hard!

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:14:16 2019 No.14304484

>>14304451
In my state a melinated gentleman got a 364 day sentence for armed robbery because 365 days would have gotten him mandatory deportation. About a year after he got out he murdered two doctors with a knife in a break in, the judge that gave the 364 day sentence never faced backlash

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:14:36 2019 No.14304487 >>14304461 As well as not growing philosophically, his comic style is still indistinguishable from 10 years ago, so he hasn't grown artistically as well. Pretty pathetic tbqh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:16:12 2019 No.14304496 >>14304473 Oh boy, here we go with the government regulation and taxation to fix our problems.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:17:33 2019 No.14304503 >>14303503 >bryan caplan >the SMBC guy this has to be the worst combination yet

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:18:52 2019 No.14304511

If immigrants, for whatever reason, reduce the perceived quality of life for people in the host nation, shouldn't that be enough to stop immigration?

I live in the UK. Somalians, Pakistanis, Indians and Poles have made me want to hate the area I'm living in. I can't go outsides without seeing obese Somalian women in robes talking loudly with their 10 children, or Polish guys drinking their benefit money, or fucking Pakistani men grooming British teenage girls.

Do I really need to provide fucking economic statistics when almost everybody in the UK wants to fucking get away from these people wherever they are?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:20:47 2019 No.14304520 >>14304511 No, because liberals, neolibs, and libertarians are massive spergs who don't understand any sort of values outside economic ones (and leftists are in alliance with them because they hate you).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:21:52 2019 No.14304527 >>14304520 I'd be willing to bet 90% of people who support immigration are middle class people living in nice White high-income areas and never actually have to deal with actual immigrants.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:23:31 2019 No.14304533

>>14304451
>most democrats are not for 'free movement', they're just for 'zero enforcement
This isn't true either, Democrats have voted for increased border security. If you are talking about Trump's wall that was a terrible idea because 1) it was insanely expensive and 2) it would be ineffective anyway because most illegal immigrants get in the US legally and overstay their visas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:24:05 2019 No.14304539 >>14304520 GDP is the new deity.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:27:22 2019 No.14304553

>>14304533
>Democrats have voted for increased border security
Just curious, how many democrats who are currently running for president have voted for increased border security? Also, how many of them are in favor of giving illegal immigrants access to services subsidized by taxpayers?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:27:54 2019 No.14304555 >>14304496 That's not the point, the point is that illegal immigrants are paying their taxes through the excise tax.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:29:08 2019 No.14304560

>>14304511
Powell said the people in charge didn't give a shit because they both profited from it and would be dead or in another country by the time anything got too bad, it's a purely atheistic and materialist outlook on life which our middle and upper classes have had for many years.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:30:11 2019 No.14304564 >>14303503 Lol a libertarian kike shilling open borders and free markets

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:30:24 2019 No.14304565 >>14304555 >paying their taxes They take more from the government than they contribute though. Overall, they're a net drain on society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:31:44 2019 No.14304569 >>14304406 >Republicans pretend that Democrats are for open borders all the time. The majority of them effectively are

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:34:11 2019 No.14304580

>>14304511
>Do I really need to provide fucking economic statistics when almost everybody in the UK wants to fucking get away from these people wherever they are?

No you shouldn't have. The people that decide over these things usually live in the nicer neighborhoods though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:35:17 2019 No.14304586 >>14304539 Only when it fits their agenda though. When it comes to action against climate change suddenly you're not allowed to use GDP as an argument.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:37:32 2019 No.14304602 >>14304586 It's the same doublethink when they say you shouldn't have kids in order to prevent overpopulation yet they also advocate for increased immigration because we're not having enough kids. These people are mentally ill.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:38:17 2019 No.14304607

>>14304553
>Just curious, how many democrats who are currently running for president have voted for increased border security?
Here is something that you might find interesting: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/immigration/border-security-funding/
>Also, how many of them are in favor of giving illegal immigrants access to services subsidized by taxpayers?
In order to make that point you need to ignore the fact that iillegal immigrants pay excise taxes. Do you think that it's right for taxpayers to be denied services they pay for?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:42:09 2019 No.14304624 >>14304607 >Do you think that it's right for taxpayers to be denied services they pay for? Yes, if they entered the country illegally. Also, I'm honestly surprised about Democratic support of border security. That doesn't seem very progressive of them.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:49:27 2019 No.14304650

>>14303875
Thus the US must become a shithole to make things right.

You’re correct, the actions of the US government are the cause of the shitholery of most of Latin America. However, what you miss is that the vast majority of Americans never supported these policies, never understood them, and indeed were never even informed of them. The media and the deep state were the beneficiaries, and now want to inflict the third world (their creation) on the American people. The day of the rope must come for the iron polygon, and the world must return to Westphalian peace.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:59:28 2019 No.14304693 >>14304560 >middle class is materialist and atheistic Yeah because the working class is sooo much better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:08:30 2019 No.14304740 >>14303528 First post, best post.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:08:44 2019 No.14304743 >>14304511 You're making a bugman argument, which can be easily countered with arguments like "they boost GDP" or "they wipe your grandpa's ass". Enjoy being ethnically replaced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:10:02 2019 No.14304750 >>14303611 Uh oh! Looks like you're lost, pal. Let me just point you in the right direction: www.reddit.com/r/Cuckold/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:14:17 2019 No.14304762 >>14304743 Are you replying to the wrong person? >they boost GDP not in the long term >they wipe your grandpa's ass long-standing myth

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:16:46 2019 No.14304772 >>14303570 >a person can't do nuthing for the place he was born into Well, that's true. But that doesn't mean there should be open borders. >>14304361 I bet Bernie is dumbfuck enough to, even if he doesn't say it outright.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:17:05 2019 No.14304777 >>14303914 >Your face when you realize those places are shitholes because they're populated by niggers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:17:50 2019 No.14304782 >>14304069 Id reccomend "shooting yourself" if you havent yet, really summarizes it all nicely

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:19:40 2019 No.14304786 >>14304743 Everybody gets replaced. Everyone who was alive in the 19th century has died and been replaced. You will die and be replaced.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:20:16 2019 No.14304788

>>14304069
>wants to dismantle "white supremacy" and "patriarchy"
>aka the greatest strengths which built the first world

I've said it before but it's still so baffling to me that these retards are unironically advocating for the complete destruction of civilized society. Leftism is the disease for those who only want to destroy what already exists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:20:44 2019 No.14304790 >>14304786 >he doesn't care about his children disgusting leftie

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:22:18 2019 No.14304794 I'm sure all the wonderful systems in the West will continue to operate when there are no borders and the turd world is nothing but a birth canal for people heading north seeking gibs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:22:39 2019 No.14304795 >>14304777 There are relatively few black people in Latin America, save a few notable countries. Do you mean mestizos?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:23:08 2019 No.14304796 >>14304786 The key is that you're supposed to be replaced by your own descendants. Kind of like what every other animal on the planet has been doing for millions of years?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:23:32 2019 No.14304799 >>14303532 Seeth more schizo

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:23:56 2019 No.14304801
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>>14304182
They're irrational no matter what model you use, and yet Caplan still thinks that we should let more people in so they can continue to vote.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:24:10 2019 No.14304802 >>14304795 Well, I suppose so. Mestizos are still better than blacks. You knew what I meant though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:24:46 2019 No.14304804 >>14304081 >second-gen muslims are more radical than their parents Citation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:25:25 2019 No.14304805 File: 70 KB, 1000x500, 1572058967581.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303503 I saw the title and guessed that the author would be Jewish... When I expanded the image I saw not one but two Jewish authors! Every. Single. Time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:26:04 2019 No.14304809 gibsmedat you racis cracka

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:27:56 2019 No.14304817

>>14304762
>not in the long term
Can't prove it.
>long-standing myth
Go look at the hospital staff.

>B-but Brits could do all those dirty jobs.
Yeah well, they don't. It's like saying "pakis could not rape". How much energy and tax money are you willing to sacrifice to fix this instead of building long term solutions?

tl;dr - You're looking at things superficially. Realize that it's the social and economic system you set up that is allowing this to continue.
"Muh paki rapists" rhetoric won't get you anywhere. At best you will get some marginalized nationalist party 5% at elections or a little bit of extra police funding.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:28:27 2019 No.14304820

>>14303857
He's just putting "american values" into the box of the mainstream viewpoint of the democratic party, which of course all immigrants vote for. It's funny that the concern he's addressing is that immigrants might be fascists when the opposite is usually the case.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:29:07 2019 No.14304822 >>14304796 You will be replaced by your own descendents, but it is likely many of those descendents will be brown as your children and grandchildren abandon your racist dichotomies.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:29:16 2019 No.14304824 >>14303810 He claims that even taking IQ into account, the GDP increase would still be massive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:30:39 2019 No.14304833 >>14304788 Your mistake is to elide white supremacy and patriarchy with civilized society, when they are not the same and never have been

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:31:58 2019 No.14304837
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>>14303549
I wish! I used to think that it was all exageration, created to encourage counter-Semitism.
But it is true, they are worse than the stereotypes... Jewish behaviour is what creates counter-Semitism as self defence. Einstein was right!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:32:42 2019 No.14304840 >>14304805 Cartoon is dumb. Israel is as diverse as most other countries, and there is indeed a large movement in Israeli politics to move away from the walls and segregation stuff

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:33:58 2019 No.14304846 File: 335 KB, 872x856, o.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Since when have there been so many paranoid schizophrenics on /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:34:26 2019 No.14304849 File: 135 KB, 500x560, 1386439505804.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304840 >Israel is as diverse as most other countries Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:35:31 2019 No.14304852 >>14304849 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:35:43 2019 No.14304855

>>14304833
Any society which to recognize that the holders of wombs should be treated like property will eventually deteriorate. While "white supremacy" may not be the basis of civilization, each civilization is rooted in something analogous to it, and it (at least as far as you are concerned) inherent to the one we are connected to.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:37:04 2019 No.14304862

>>14304533
>1) it was insanely expensive and
20 billion for a wall is a drop in the bucket compared to how much illegal immigrants cost. You could spend that much yearly and still save money.
>2) it would be ineffective anyway because most illegal immigrants
You can only do that once before you're banned from entry that way. You can border hop as many times as you like, and they do. I think about half of illegals enter the US over the border.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:37:06 2019 No.14304863 >>14304849 He's right, you retard. It's arguably more diverse and degenerate than an average Euro country. And its muslim population is increasing. Don't just blindly believe all /pol/ memes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:37:07 2019 No.14304864 >>14304852 95% Jewish and Arab wow so diverse they're basically a melting pot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:38:20 2019 No.14304871 >>14304863 The average Euro country isn't 95% Semitic you fucking dumbass

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:39:02 2019 No.14304873 >>14304864 37% Actual Israelis . Actually read it

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:40:09 2019 No.14304876

>>14304822
Oh how shocking, a leftist faggot can't go one argument without falling back on muh waycism. If you love brownies so much why don't you go move to a third world shithole? Imagine how progressive that would be of you! But I bet you enjoy living in the first world, huh?

Brown people don't belong in white societies. Simple fact.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:40:57 2019 No.14304880 File: 523 KB, 367x219, 1535935374140.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303528 >>14303532 >>14304564

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:41:11 2019 No.14304881 >>14304840 >Israel is as diverse as most other countries top kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:41:12 2019 No.14304882 >>14304871 Israel is nearly 20% Muslim which is way more than any European country

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:41:43 2019 No.14304884 >>14304873 75% Actual Jews

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:42:12 2019 No.14304885 >>14304833 I don't have a reaction image for how fucking stupid that claim is. I hope you get killed in the street like the vermin you are when the boogaloo begins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:42:25 2019 No.14304886 >>14304876 >white societies. There is no such thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:42:43 2019 No.14304888 >>14304881 30% European 15% African 16% Russian 12% asian 8% Morroccan 5% Americans 4% Iraqis

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:43:27 2019 No.14304896

>>14304862
>how much illegal immigrants cost

How do you figure illegal immigrants "cost" so much? You're referring to the cost to round them up and deport them, right?

>I think about half of illegals enter the US over the border.

This is wrong, unless you mean flying over the border. Most illegal immigrants are literally people who overstayed their visas. They enter legally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:43:33 2019 No.14304897 >>14304882 If Muslims have such a strong presence and are treated equally, then why didn't Israel take in any Syrian refugees? Why was the burden placed on Germany?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:44:01 2019 No.14304900 >>14304884 Thats hardly an ethnicity. Most Jews are only 1% actually semitic while being 99% ethnically related to their home country

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:44:35 2019 No.14304904 >>14304888 75% Jews

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:45:04 2019 No.14304907 >>14303810 You mean like /pol/ does?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:45:04 2019 No.14304908 >>14304900 Ethnicity isn't nationality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:45:26 2019 No.14304912 >>14304882 >>14304840 Israelis are in a demographic war for their very existence, and they know it - jewish Israelis have a total fertility rate of +3.0, fewer than muslims but double what any other white developed nation is capable of.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:45:39 2019 No.14304914 File: 35 KB, 328x396, 46754336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304900 >hardly an ethnicity

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:46:36 2019 No.14304920 >>14304914 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetics Read you dumb nazis

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:46:56 2019 No.14304923 >>14304896 I'm refering to the taxes they consume and the taxes they generate. Whites (and asians) are they only net positives in the USA.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:47:32 2019 No.14304927 >>14304904 So 25% minorities which is similar to most developed countries

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:48:02 2019 No.14304930 File: 153 KB, 1092x969, Medical genetics of Jews.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304920 Your turn to read

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:48:52 2019 No.14304933 >>14304904 75% people with vaguely Semitic ancestry. You can be 99.99% English and still call yourself a Jew

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:49:21 2019 No.14304935

>>14304817

Its very disingenuous to import millions of poor people to employ at low wages, and then say the whites "don't want the jobs". You undercut their labor by importing cheaper labor and then you have the audacity to add insult to injury like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:49:38 2019 No.14304936 >>14304927 Except Arabs are essentially the other 25%

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:50:02 2019 No.14304939 >>14304930 Not only is this irrelevant to the subject most of these only have a 1% likely hood of a carrier frequency which doesn't even imply someone will get it. You nazis sure are dumb

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:50:39 2019 No.14304942 >>14304933 >still call yourself a Jew Only if your mother is a Jew

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:51:51 2019 No.14304947
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>>14304896
>This is wrong, unless you mean flying over the border. Most illegal immigrants are literally people who overstayed their visas. They enter legally.
Not according to Pew, but then who the fuck knows with illegal immigrants. There has been a steady 12 million illegals in the US since 2001, who believes that?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:52:25 2019 No.14304949 File: 207 KB, 1624x710, israel oppose immigration juden.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304863 Whatever, Schlomo, whatever...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:52:57 2019 No.14304951 >>14304939 I think it's very relevant because it clearly illustrates how it's dismissive to say Jews are "hardly an ethnicity."

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:54:48 2019 No.14304957

>>14304772
No Bernie was explicitly asked about open borders and he rejected it as a Koch brothers libertarian proposal. Bernie is just a social democrat, he is in favor of a capitalist economy mitigated with some social programs. He is not a radical in any way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:54:52 2019 No.14304958 >>14304846 It's literal boomers leaking out of /pol/ Don't get them started on QAnon or you'll want to nuke middle America

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:55:31 2019 No.14304963 File: 371 KB, 589x800, israel is real diversity.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304863

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:56:34 2019 No.14304967 >>14304533 >it was insanely expensive oh of course now the dems are very concerned about fiscal responsibility >>14304886 No jewish societies either, Israel must open their borders!

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Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:57:42 2019 No.14304975

>>14304935
I agree and I'm not saying "whites don't want the jobs". I'm saying "whites want cheap stuff". They want cheap construction work, cheap kebabs, cheap ass wiping...
Whites who don't lose their job to cheap labor (most whites) can indeed benefit from cheap labor. Most whites also personally don't see any paki rape gangs or whatever, it's an abstraction to them.
But they love it when "their" negro runners or football players win the game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:03:04 2019 No.14305008 >>14304693 Nowadays yeah, it's seeped down through the classes via promotion in the middle class dominated fields like broadcasting.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:11:37 2019 No.14305064
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The Dims need to import voters since they do not have kids and there are fewer of them every year. They have no future and would happily throw away the future of American children in order to hang on to power, and try to make it socially acceptacle at that. They are power mad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:14:31 2019 No.14305089 >>14304920 Oh, yeah, wikipedia, THAT sure is reliable LOL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:18:22 2019 No.14305108 >>14304935 This. If you need to exploit foreigners, paying them illegally substandard wages in illegally substandard conditions then you should not be in business.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:20:38 2019 No.14305130

>>14304082
I've read many books with counterarguments. Caplan's books just seem to address many of counterarguments that I happen to think of as I'm digesting his points. That's more of a personal thing, but I also think Caplan engages with the counterarguments more than most authors in the field of policy/public economics do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:21:47 2019 No.14305135 File: 696 KB, 792x1248, open borders for israel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder to all the antisemites: you're not clever, and you don't know shit about the illustrator. He wants open borders everywhere.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:27:04 2019 No.14305162

>>14304975
>I'm saying "whites want cheap stuff". They want cheap construction work, cheap kebabs, cheap ass wiping...

What a bunch of bullshit. You're pretending like the people were asked "do you want mass migration in exchange for cheap kebabs?" and the people voted yes on that. Its just not the reality. Cheap construction work might have been a consequence of migration, but again its totally disingenuous to say "don't complain, you wanted cheap stuff!".
The argument that because whites cheer for a black person on the soccer team, they suddenly should be supportive of migration is equally ridiculous.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:27:45 2019 No.14305171 >>14305135 What's antisemitic about open borders for israel?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:30:04 2019 No.14305187

>>14304947
They are not immigrants, they are foreign nationals. They will all have to go back, eventually, and bringing more in will not make it impossible as the Dems seem to think, just more difficult. But it WILL be done eventually, and in America peacefully.
In Europe on the other hand I think a war is inevitable.
France is already talking at the academic level about ceding territory to the invaders...
https://pjmedia.com/trending/french-author-to-prevent-sharia-civil-war-establish-separate-islamic-state-within-france/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:36:56 2019 No.14305228 >>>/r/eddit

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:42:54 2019 No.14305259

>>14305162
They did vote for it. There are plenty of anti-immigrant, keep it white style parties across Europe. They just don't get many votes. There are plenty of full on communist parties too, and they don't get many votes either.
Like it or not, people generally voted for parties who promised to continue the globalisation and immigration stuff. Nobody running on a full on 'send the buggers back' platform has ever got anywhere near winning power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:42:59 2019 No.14305260 >>14305171 If open borders has catastrophic consequences, it's a way of ruining Israel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:46:52 2019 No.14305288 >>14304923 >I'm refering to the taxes they consume Can you be more specific? Which taxes? Are you one of those "all illegal immigrants are sucking up welfare dollars" guys? I hope not, because illegal immigrants are not eligible for any public aid.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:47:22 2019 No.14305292

>>14305259

I guess you're not very knowledgeable about European politics because you're talking pure bullshit. Anti-immigration parties are on the rise all over Europe. They are the majority in Eastern-Europe. In the west the establishment is going all out in trying to prevent anti-immigration parties from attaining electoral success. Nonetheless these parties are often their country's second or third party already, and going up.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:49:14 2019 No.14305308
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>>14305259
>Like it or not, people generally voted for parties who promised to continue the globalisation and immigration stuff. Nobody running on a full on 'send the buggers back' platform has ever got anywhere near winning power.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:50:19 2019 No.14305319 >>14305292 Come back to me when they >ever got anywhere near winning power Because they haven't and you know this. Even the Front National only got close because they toned down the rhetoric and distanced themselves from racism

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:52:20 2019 No.14305325

>>14305259
>people generally voted for parties who promised to continue the globalisation and immigration stuff.

People voted for parties that avoided talking about the subject of immigration, and then once they were in power the opened the floodgates. Meanwhile anyone who who criticized immigration too loudly was promptly equated to a nazi and hence disqualified from having an opinion at all. The entire political climate since the 1960's has been very successful at stifling anyone who tried to raise this issue. All the same we see that political opinions that would have gotten their proponents completely ostracized 20 years ago are now commonplace even among the left.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:52:49 2019 No.14305327

>>14303833
It might work something like this, but Caplan (who takes a pretty based stance against education) doesn't account for the progressive affirmative action college system which indoctrinates these new immigrants' children with a grievance mindset and a set of activist tools for disruption and subversion.

"Deeply acculturate" often means "seek to dismantle" in this context. And this is assuming you don't get the European situation where you're not bringing in people prepared to contribute but rather backward, discriminatory groups who stick to their little neighborhoods that become"no-go zones."

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:53:27 2019 No.14305332 >>14305292 There has been some anti-immigration sentiment, but it has been tamed for the most part. >They are the majority in Eastern-Europe Where exactly? https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Poland-cracks-door-open-for-Filipino-workers

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:56:35 2019 No.14305346

>>14305319

The only reason they have to distance themselves from racism is because they get falsely accused of it by the left in the first place.
Again you display your trademark disingenuousness. The votes center, the second largest votes against immigration, and you make the inference that the population voted for immigration. Just because a specifically anti immigration party isn't the largest party, doesn't mean the population voted to support immigration.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:59:00 2019 No.14305362 >>14305332 > Warsaw continues to resist refugees and migrants from the Middle East and North Africa. First fucking line of your article you retard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:01:42 2019 No.14305374 >>14305260 Open borders is good though. Only racists think otherwise

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:04:02 2019 No.14305385 >>14305374 Are you saying Israelis are racists? Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:07:16 2019 No.14305406 >>14305362 >it's ok, as long as they're not muslims

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:07:42 2019 No.14305410
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>>14305288
I mean on the basis that they are mostly low skilled hispanics, and even if they manage not to get benefits as illegals (although liberals do love to provide them with as much as possible), their children will extract a lot more and pay a lot less. Illegal immigration isn't just a problem for a single generation, its a fundamental change in demographics.
Liberals try to correct their low achievement academically/economically this by pushing affirmative action to artificially boost their incomes. This is just welfare via other means - it's making the government and private companies LESS efficient, so less profitable/productive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:10:00 2019 No.14305426 >>14303885 That's 5 words dipshit

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:14:05 2019 No.14305449

>>14304065
imagine thinking someone who uses "wh*tes" is being 100% sincere
>>14304449
except they don't despise us or want to ruin us. they only want to escape the mess that we've created in their countries so they and their children can live a better life.

you guys are so ruled by fear that you see brown people trying to escape poverty as some kind of planned invasion of america.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:18:53 2019 No.14305471 >>14305449 "We" are not part of the whole equation that makes their countries shitty either though, not like they were paradise before "We" showed up either

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:22:38 2019 No.14305499 >>14304927 Sure, but the difference is most developed nations aren't actively stealing minority land or gunning them down in the street for the lulz.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:24:42 2019 No.14305503 >>14305292 I'm as Pol as it gets but the guy you're talking to is right. People voted for it. The people really are that fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:27:14 2019 No.14305519 >>14305406 yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:28:36 2019 No.14305525 >>14305449 >Its 'we' when there's blame to be passed around but otherwise you can't say 'we' because that's racist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:28:40 2019 No.14305526 >>14305503 speak for yourself t. /hung/arian

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:29:14 2019 No.14305527
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>>14303833
This is some hyper racist bullshit that I need explained to me. How is it possibly ethical to demand a people conform to YOUR culture? Because it is superior? Go fuck yourself racist. This is why people need to stick to their own countries, living in another nation requires A) You give up your own culture, or B) Accept never having your culture's priorities considered.

This is incredibly oppressive, all for the sake of what? Cheap labor? Shortcuts have costs, and the cost of importing those of another culture are obvious, both to those immigrants coming in and those they are emigrating to. Ban free-travel between nations, Smash capitalism, Free the world.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:30:29 2019 No.14305532

>>14305449
It is an invasion, it's happening in most western white nations, and the rate of demographic change is very rapid. I don't care what their intent is, or even whether they would boost GDP (oh praise be to GDP our new degenerate deity) — I don't want white people replaced and our legacies surrendered to foreigners. The fear response is often a very healthy one that promotes survival; more whites should be fearful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:31:06 2019 No.14305534 File: 112 KB, 1200x630, christcuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14305519 Enjoy your nogs then.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:31:09 2019 No.14305535

>>14304182
Voters are rational if you define rationality as a person considering all options and weighing the cost and benefit of those options. They do not. Voters are influenced by who they follow on Instagram, their friends, their family, and maybe some religious conviction.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:33:01 2019 No.14305538 >>14305535 What's wrong with voting with your emotions? I'm genuinely curious.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:36:23 2019 No.14305553 File: 17 KB, 128x117, 1573666632452.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303833 what the fuck

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:36:52 2019 No.14305557

>>14305535

And why wouldn't that be rational?
Considering the fact that your vote has only a tiny chance of actually affecting an outcome, voting for emotional reasons is the rational course of action. Its absolutely ridiculous to accuse voters of voting against their own economic interest when voters have only a tiny probably of being pivotal to the outcome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:39:58 2019 No.14305570 >>14305471 we're the main problem today. >>14305525 i'm not even white. when i say we i mean americans. >>14305532 white people aren't being replaced. what, do you think a white person gets deported or executed every time a non-white person moves here?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:40:56 2019 No.14305573

>>14305557
This is a red-herring, and relies wholly on the assumption that emotional interests are intertwined with economic interests. Such a generalization is absolutely brainlet tie and deprives people of their inherent individuality while not acknowledging those patterns that do so separate from your argument.
>>14305538
Emotion and rationality are separate concepts. Emotion must be informed by rationality, ask yourself why you feel the way you do, and if it is rational, can you argue for the rationality of your emotion? Voting a certain way just so your family does not hate you is irrational.

Democracy is inherently flawed, we need Jacksonian monarchy again.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:42:00 2019 No.14305577

>>14305503
They were repeatedly assured that immigration changes in the '60s wouldn't radically change demography, and indoctrination was used to condition acceptance before the truth would become evident (and to get younger generations automatically associating talk of white preservation with evil).

Also, populations with higher average IQ are -more- susceptible to indoctrination and ideological conformism (their PFCs are better at dominating hind-brains). But you're not one of those 'fucking stupid' people, so I'm sure you knew that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:44:30 2019 No.14305592 >>14303914 >yfw you realize the united states is the reason honduras and much of latin america is a shithole No it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:45:00 2019 No.14305595 File: 245 KB, 617x611, yikes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303810 >the modern knowledge we have of IQ, heritability, and race

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:45:27 2019 No.14305598

>>14305573
>This is a red-herring, and relies wholly on the assumption that emotional interests are intertwined with economic interests. Such a generalization is absolutely brainlet tie and deprives people of their inherent individuality while not acknowledging those patterns that do so separate from your argument.

Its actually the leading theory for voting behavior in the field of political economics.

>Emotion and rationality are separate concepts.

They are absolutely not. Why wouldn't a rational actor consider his emotional wellbeing? Would you accept a deal that would make you emotionally miserable in exchange for 1$? You should because emotion apparently doesn't enter into rational decision?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:50:37 2019 No.14305628 >>14305573 A rational actor weighs his decisions in a cost/benefit analysis. Emotional factors can be a cost or a benefit by any definition of the terms.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:57:18 2019 No.14305660
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>>14305598
>its actually the leading theory for voting behavior
>voter's economic interests are influenced by emotion
This is not a rebuttal, and does not support your argument that wholly emotional decisions are rational
>They are absolutely not
>Why wouldn't a rational actor consider his emotional wellbeing
This is literally my argument, that a rational person does consider emotion, but rationality and emotion are concepts we can examine as independent of each other. You are conflating multiple arguments into one, it is incoherent.

>>14305628
This is what I said in the first post, if you want to argue then consider all your oppositions points rather than whatever quasi-strawman nonsense you are currently engaging in.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:57:19 2019 No.14305661 >>14304817 >Can't prove it. Is it worth proving? Let's say that replacing a native population does indeed increase GDP, is it a trade off that is worth making?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:57:33 2019 No.14305663 >>14305592 yeah fomenting coups and overthrowing democratically elected leaders because they've decided to finally stand up against american exploitation and neocolonialism has absolutely nothing to do with the state of latin america today

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 13:59:03 2019 No.14305675

>>14305570
We are being replaced. Our resources are being diverted to rapidly growing immigrant populations that are more fecund due to genetics, religiosity, or both. This fecundity does tend to drop off a bit as they become 'westernized', but not completely (and this 'westernizing' effect will become progressively weaker as immigrant populations grow, diluting available resources and changing the local culture). Instead of incentivizing/propagandizing whites to increase our birthrates, governments are encouraging replacement via immigration instead. The shift in demographic proportions is already quite dramatic among younger population cohorts.

There are other factors like dominant non-white genes having asymmetric impact upon the white gene pool (you know that they're just going to keep propagandizing for miscegenation, until it actually does become commonplace).

The foundation for replacement has been laid, and it is happening (you only need extrapolate from current demographic projections).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:06:26 2019 No.14305711 >>14305663 Only the the countries with large castizo populations have serious potential. I have contempt for the CIA and its bullshit as well, but realistically the more niggerfied-goblinized countries are going to be corrupt any way you slice it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:10:54 2019 No.14305732

>>14304817
>>B-but Brits could do all those dirty jobs.
If you really think that somehow, if immigrants were not here, then there would not be any cleaners or hospital staff?

LMAO what a fucking travesty this post is. Most immigrants are taxi drivers and shop owners hahahah

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:13:49 2019 No.14305744

>>14305008
Working class in the UK is morons working construction and spending money on booze, track suits and cars, and single mums living off of child benefits. Their primary past time is television and facebook. You think these people are going to affect any positive change?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:14:08 2019 No.14305747 Why do people suddenly stop talking in the middle of a sentence when it comes to jobs? They say "the immigrants do the jobs 'we' wont do," but then just stop talking before saying the next part "for the money offered." Why do they do this?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:15:13 2019 No.14305752
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>>14303833
So I guess he's never been to the parts of town that have turned into third-world countries where immigrants and their children refuse to assimilate, but still expect all the privileges of living in America?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:16:48 2019 No.14305759
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>>14305661
>Let's say that replacing a native population does indeed increase GDP, is it a trade off that is worth making?
I can think of people who would answer yes.
Not the jews, just average Joes. As long as they "get theirs" it's all good. And if you say Ngubu isn't English you're a racist cunt.

>>14305732
>if immigrants were not here, then there would not be any cleaners or hospital staff?
The prices for those services would probably be higher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:19:57 2019 No.14305779 >>14305759 Probably because of rampant Materialism in the population from centuries of Liberalism.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:21:14 2019 No.14305790

>>14305660

Lol way to backpedal on your points. You clearly state that emotional factors are irrational, which is demonstrably false. There is absolutely no reason why emotion shouldn't factor into cost/benefit analysis and hence rational behavior.

>Voting a certain way just so your family does not hate you is irrational.

This is clear example of how you completely fail to understand the point. Lets look at a cost benefit analysis of this decision.

Cost of voting (in any way): effort, cost, and time spend of actually going to the voting booth
Benefit/cost of voting (for or against your preferred policy respectively): The economic cost or benefit of the policy implemented, multiplied by the probability of your vote being pivotal (1/n)
Benefit/cost of voting (voting for/against your family's preferred policy respectively): Your family doesn't/does hate you.

It seems perfectly rational to vote so that my family doesn't hate. I don't know about you but I much prefer that my family doesn't hate me over a infinitesimally small chance of affecting policy outcomes. This is perfectly rational behavior. Like I said before, this is the leading theory for voting behavior in political economics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:21:42 2019 No.14305793 >>14305573 Wrong and intro Phil/pilled

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:52:43 2019 No.14306004 >>14303810 Caplan calls himself an "IQ realist" and laments that most other "IQ realists" are terrible people. https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/04/iq_with_conscie.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 14:55:39 2019 No.14306025 >>14306004 >i'm not like the other boys

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:03:12 2019 No.14306081 >>14305759 >The prices for those services would probably be higher. Small price to pay for actually enjoying living here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:19:59 2019 No.14306207 >>14303532 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:51:40 2019 No.14306428 >>14304182 Voters are rational, but voting is about signaling. That conforms to neither voting for the overall good nor voting for the political situation that benefits the voter. From a policy perspective that rounds off to irrationality.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:58:42 2019 No.14306470 >>14303532 Based

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:08:52 2019 No.14306522 File: 54 KB, 919x737, 8db.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303503 >>14303554 lol looks like that meme about no replying to Aussie posters

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:17:04 2019 No.14306560 >>14306428 >From a policy perspective that rounds off to irrationality. When you put it like that, I agree.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:22:07 2019 No.14306594
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>>14304461
>He did that smug reddit comic SMBC
Thanks. The repulsive art style was oddly familiar and I couldn't put my finger on it. Was he always a turbokike, or did he upgrade from fedora atheism?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:23:32 2019 No.14306602 >>14304234 because food is the only that is tangible and can e consume which is the only thing that capitalism cares.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:27:49 2019 No.14306630 >>14304041 funny how your theory falls apart because before the Jewish brainwashing no one would have touch a nigger even with a stick

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:50:56 2019 No.14306798
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I am beginning to think there is some sort of pathology involved with the defenders of this whole immigration fiasco. The mental gymnastics involved in this self-destructive behavior (both on personal and national level) is deeply disturbing.
It's like a doomsday cult at this point.
At least the whole experiment is crashing down in Europe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:51:54 2019 No.14306812 File: 272 KB, 600x594, 1560110382201.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303503 EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:52:32 2019 No.14306813

>>14303934
>because they're not as murderous and destructive as wh*te people.
>Honduras has one of the world's highest murder rates
oh no no no no

Los Yanquis forced me to pull the trigger. Imperialismo made me do it!

This is a typical Anglo-American narrative that denies that third-worlders can have agency in any way and aren't just childlike entities acted upon by the White Anglo-Saxon Protagonist, while simultaneously valorizing their uncivilized-ness as a form of purity that makes Third World "democracy" more real, somehow. See the constant claims of "This particular caudillo would've fixed everything, you see, he was DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:52:59 2019 No.14306817 File: 114 KB, 640x300, 1553301745579.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:54:47 2019 No.14306831 >>14306812 Shocking. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/02/24/why-benjamin-netanyahu-loves-the-european-far-right-orban-kaczynski-pis-fidesz-visegrad-likud-antisemitism-hungary-poland-illiberalism/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:32:57 2019 No.14307121 File: 852 KB, 708x792, NYP-cover.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304361 40% of the candidates in this photo have already dropped out btw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:55:29 2019 No.14307239 >>14303570 Based

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:57:28 2019 No.14307247
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>>14304361
>There is no Democrat politician that supports unregulated immigration, it's just a boogeyman the Right likes to use to strawman their opponents.
Wait until you hear their stance on allowing free healthcare for illegals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:57:34 2019 No.14307248 >>14307121 They should all drop out. Jesus Christ, I never saw a more hopeless bunch of candidates in all my life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:15:29 2019 No.14307334 >>14303611 Please gas yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:16:13 2019 No.14307336 >>14303528 commemorating a memoryholed post

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:29:54 2019 No.14307401

>>14305759
>The prices for those services would probably be higher.
And the value of housing would drastically go up, while the price would go down.
Unless you're a gdp worshipper, actual quality of life for the natives plummets with a lot of non-white immigrants.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:46:09 2019 No.14307486 >>14303503 >Make this book cover to bait shitlibs >go straight into facts about criminality and job competition, as well as differences between ethnicities

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 19:28:34 2019 No.14307668

>>14307401
Lots of financial institutions have a lot riding on rising house prices. We could see another 2008 but worse if demand for housing collapsed. Not that I disagree with you, just saying that no one is going to make an effort to stop immigration for this reason, among others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 19:32:21 2019 No.14307696 >>14304799 >has a predictive model >it functions perfectly that's the opposite of schizo faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 19:52:00 2019 No.14307788 >>14303833 >kike rat using christian quotes as rhetoric fuck off you stupid jew, Jesus taught me all I needed to know about you people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 19:57:39 2019 No.14307804 >>14303503 >Weinersmith This has to be satire? Right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 20:09:36 2019 No.14307870 >>14303503 Open borders are key to make more profit.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 21:04:13 2019 No.14308140

>>14303503
>Jews undermining their host nation

Then one day the Jews got expelled for no reason. Then for no reason, that happened a thousand more times across a thousand diverse kingdoms. And then one day for absolutely no reason at all, people voted Hitler into power.

Pure anti-Semitism and nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:07:05 2019 No.14308347 >>14303833 The far left and far right can both agree this is horrifying. America was a fucking mistake......

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:45:15 2019 No.14308484 >14304289 >>Arabic music >Literally doesn't exist. It's haram They don't have cardi b twerking it out to teenagers if that's what you mean >>14306813 Bugbrain post

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:57:04 2019 No.14308546 >>14303833 >immigrants show up and get pozzed Is this satire

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:04:32 2019 No.14309118 >>14303503 please end this thread i'm tired of seeing this artstyle whenever i look at /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:09:54 2019 No.14309135 >>14309118 ...did...did you just bump this thread?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:13:27 2019 No.14309149 File: 100 KB, 768x1024, 1575508715649m.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:46:42 2019 No.14309290 File: 189 KB, 720x1104, teacher.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303833

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:48:03 2019 No.14309296 File: 545 KB, 720x1078, ruh roh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14309290

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:48:50 2019 No.14309300 File: 65 KB, 500x487, 1574927739005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304198 I've actually personally intervened in an attempted rape, champ. Don't lecture me about how I need to go to your weak little protests to virtue signal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:49:07 2019 No.14309301 File: 405 KB, 720x960, hmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14309296

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:55:39 2019 No.14309328 >>14309300 Yeah, ok, faggot liar. Clean the cum from your ears so you can hear my voice given subvocally taunting you: >Stupid faggot, Stupid faggot >A thousand pages in a packet >Stupid Faggot, Stupid Faggot >how dark dick desires inhabit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:11:09 2019 No.14309395 >>14304265 man-children

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:30:29 2019 No.14309449 >>14305570 >> we're the main problem today. >> i'm not even white. imagun moi shokk

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:32:11 2019 No.14309456 File: 1007 KB, 1977x2560, open borders.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14303558 You rang?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:41:51 2019 No.14309481 >>14303532 i hate these rat devils >>14304799 >schizo nice gaslighting. What he's saying is always right, its the opposite of schizo, its real

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:52:45 2019 No.14309515 Go back to your containment board /pol/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:55:24 2019 No.14309526 >>14303532 This dude is like 99% northern european. Cope more nazis

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:02:57 2019 No.14309552 It's funny isn't it? More than 200 replies and no one has completely refuted what he said. It's just been shitposting about "muh the joos".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:07:05 2019 No.14309562 >>14309552 What are you on about you disingenuous fuck, his brain-dead arguements have been refuted from multiple angles whether they be cultural or economic

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:08:47 2019 No.14309570 >>14304805 >that pic Its almost as if people can see past the passive agression and see the actual intent of the nazis that think they are being subtle with those signs

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:18:49 2019 No.14309592

>>14309562
Like what? Saying that we should just deport immigrants because we hate their culture like >>14304511? Just calling them "joos" like >>14303532? Saying that all he says is wrong "because of my experience/perspective" like >>14303857? By treating them all as rapists or murderers like >>14304152? Going full "whatabout Israel" even though one of the writers DOES support open borders for Israel >>14305135? Also FAILING TO PROVE THAT ISRAEL IS DIVERSE (which does not matter in the discussion whatsoever but anyways) >>14304852? Assuming that accepting immigrants is exactly the same thing as replacing the whole population >>14305661?

Are those the 'great' arguments that I call bullshit and you call me disingenuous for not considering? Thanks god we have you here, defeating those "brain-dead" arguments.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:20:28 2019 No.14309597 >>14309592 You'll need to behave in good faith and approach the arguements you're trying to strawman honestly if you want anyone to take you seriously

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:21:12 2019 No.14309600 >>14309597 Am I not being honest with what they said? In what way?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:22:29 2019 No.14309604 >>14309597 He's just trolling, ignore him.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:30:25 2019 No.14309616

>>14309604
>Point out that no refutation has been given
>"Yes it has"
>Point out all the non-arguments that have been given in the whole thread
>"Yeah m8 you've just been disingenuous yeah you must be trolling"

I am completely in for discussion but you are also just dismissing everything as non-important. Somehow, all the shitposting in the thread counts as "serious arguments" and I'm wrong for taking them as ridiculous crap.
All I've seen in this thread it's just people looking at the arguments in the book and saying "this is retarded" while just posting /pol/-tier memes; that does not count as a refutation.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:32:59 2019 No.14309621
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Xenophobes BTFO

https://twitter.com/ZachWeiner/status/1189565129509277700

https://www.amazon.com/Open-Borders-Science-Ethics-Immigration/dp/1250316960/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=bryan+caplan&qid=1575793908&sprefix=bryan+cap&sr=8-1

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:40:11 2019 No.14309636 >>14309621 A cartoon book that was just released is selling better than two books that have been out for years. I wonder why?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:58:12 2019 No.14309677 >>14304451 Sanctuary cities are such a retarded concept.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:03:35 2019 No.14309695 >>14305752 You mean Vancouver?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:10:00 2019 No.14309712 >>14304035 Debating the moral high ground is a sport reserved for victors.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:16:23 2019 No.14309732 >>14304511 >or fucking Pakistani men grooming British teenage girls Get a white brit patrol to administer some street justice on them. You have to adopt their tactics to win.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:17:54 2019 No.14309740 >>14304607 >Do you think that it's right for taxpayers to be denied services they pay for They aren't citizens. They aren't entitled to those rights.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:23:53 2019 No.14309762 >>14307668 >We could see another 2008 but worse if demand for housing collapsed >laughs in Canadian kill me

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:36:03 2019 No.14309800 >>14305790 >backpedel Let him agree with you sperg

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:42:23 2019 No.14309826 >>14304496 >trying to define the subject is moving goalposts leftists - they are literally retarded and literally not even human

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:50:01 2019 No.14309839 >>14309621 and the best selling book about sex for years has been 50 shades, a book about BDSM. I guess this means we should now all start doing BDSM.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:50:22 2019 No.14309840

>reading the leftist posts here
they are completely retarded
they have never thought out a rational argument in their entire lives; they constantly kneejerk to an 'answer' that comforts their emotions and drop the train of thought and often throw out smug remarks

they are completely cut off from nature, they have no free will, every thought and action is a product of their masters' will, they receive zero information first hand - everything they experience is artificial.

The only kind thing to do is to kill them all.
Humanity can't keep going with this cancer dragging it down, especially with insane lustful maniacs like the jews controlling them.
Kill them all, or die trying.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:52:13 2019 No.14309846

>>14309552
>More than 200 replies and no one has completely refuted what he said
What is there to refute exactly? The book's title says "The Science and Ethics of Immigration." Nothing of the screenshots from the book posted so far seems to have contained an ethical argument worthy of refutation. In order for there to be an ethical argument worthy of the name, i.e. "this is why immigration and open borders ought be the case," it needs at least a normative premise or some sort of ethical theory of some kind in support of the conclusion. What's been provided so far is fairly suspect descriptive non-normative premises (like his bullshit claim that culture works through immersion or persuasion, which doesn't stand up to recent work of cultural anthropology. See Laland's works for instance).

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:55:02 2019 No.14309852

>>14309846
it's great that you dissent from the insane mob
but you have no reasoning for what you think
>normative normative normative
you're an animal stuck in a loop chasing your tail, constantly trying to make reference after reference without explaining anything here and now

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:06:12 2019 No.14309880

>>14309852
The title of the book contains the word "ethics". The term "normative" is a common word within said study of ethics. Anyone that has done the minimal amount of work in philosophy would learn this in the first day of a college level course in ethics (or reading on their own). Another common thing drilled into college students doing ethics for the first time is that a possible way to avoid is-ought fallacies is to introduce some sort of normative or evaluative premises into the argument (doesn't avoid other problems, and can lead to regresses, but it is a common heuristic that an ethics professors would tell his students to do, and that the screenshots here show little evidence of providing). To say, "you have no reasoning for what you think" is to ignore the study of moral philosophy itself and the practices it requires for standards of moral argumentation. What your post says to me is that you're an ignorant retard that doesn't actually understand what ethical arguments look like (and probably not worth engaging with, so this will be last post in this thread). Please return to /sci/ or reddit, or where ever you came from.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:10:41 2019 No.14309899 >>14305385 But Israel has antisemitic state policies anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:15:12 2019 No.14309912 >>14309290 homosexuality is the last stand of implicit white identity

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:32:58 2019 No.14309978
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>>14309846
Hey there are other pages! Like this one! Ya seeeee, if your city is flooded with poor, violent morons, it doesn't matter, because you're rich! And they have no meaningful impact on your quality of life, it's the arithmetic fallacy!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:41:13 2019 No.14309998 >>14309978 >The average can easily fall, even though everyone is better off. This is some 3D Talmudic reasoning. I guess my IQ isn't quite high enough for it.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:48:01 2019 No.14310020
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The basketball analogy doesn't make sense (the average height falls, but people get taller with kids on their shoulders - poor people exploit rich people by free riding?), but he's trying to say 'average incomes can fall, even if everyone's income rises', of course ignoring all the externalities that come with lower income, lower IQ, more violent immigrants and there associated cultural changes. And of course ignoring that humans reproduce, that it would make much more sense to encourage your best earners to have more kids than to replace them with poor earners.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:10:35 2019 No.14310088 File: 3.99 MB, 1945x2464, open borders rev 10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is this any good?

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:24:04 2019 No.14310126

>>14309978
What if my nice, clean neighbourhood is suddenly filled with poor, uneducated refugees who turn the local park into a vegetable garden/drug distribution centre, threw trash into the roads, and tear the homes apart for firewood while also starting a war with the other refugees who they were fighting in the native country? He accuses others of making logical fallacies, but his analogies are so removed from what he's actually talking about he may as well be telling unrelated stories.

A better analogy would be, what would happen if certain members of the basketball team were replaced by toddlers? The average height of the team would be reduced even if the players themselves didn't change height, but the skill level, ability, cohesion, and overall talent of the team would plummet. Putting the toddlers on the shoulders of basketball players wouldn't help because now the players have to worry about keeping the child in place, thus tying up their hands. The children meanwhile, with their significantly lesser reach, hand-eye coordination, and upper-body strength, would be left to do all the handwork. Maybe this wouldn't matter so much if all teams were suddenly doing this, but now the toddler-carrying team has to play off against a team with no toddlers. How long must the toddler team continue to lose before they decide that dumping the kids they've been carrying would be the best idea?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:25:08 2019 No.14310133 File: 278 KB, 600x596, 1498214178459.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14310088 Nice

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:32:00 2019 No.14310153 >>14310020 Average loss is a win-win situation. Sounds excellent. Sign me up!?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:33:38 2019 No.14310156 >>14303503 *Fiction

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:35:48 2019 No.14310167 >>14303532 philia applied to all of humanity. we're all people man. some of us got unlucky and were born in crappy countries. why should they have to suffer?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:36:58 2019 No.14310172 >>14310088 Someone actually took their time to make this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:38:35 2019 No.14310177 File: 3.98 MB, 1971x2433, open borders final.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14310133 OK. Last rev. I knocked a wisp off of Lady Liberty's neck.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:49:10 2019 No.14310209

>>14310126
wrong, the better analogy would be: if 10 basketball players were joined by 2 toddlers, would the quality of the play improve or get worse? (assuming that all of them had to be equally involved in the game)

the image from the book is true and a cogent rebuttal to the arguments propitiated by the right wing. the problem is that it shares the same neoliberal world-view as the right-wing, which is that the only thing that matters is money/GDP of the host country, not culture or community or infrastructure or the brain drain/mass youth exodus from the countries of origin.

as long as everyone has money none of these things are important.

it also misses a massive point when it comes to averages being skewed. what skews the "average income" is the ultra-rich, especially in the west with massively accelerating inequality.

the reality of what happens is that immigrants come to this country, scrabble out an existence in servitude to the natives, and marginally increase their families wealth (assuming they post income home). meanwhile, the income of the natives stagnates because the wealth is being increasingly concentrated in the hands of the elite. the liberal left tell the natives that they have to share opportunities for social mobility with the immigrants, but those opportunities are already vanishing as the rich try to keep. they also have to share the social resources (hospitals, schools, housing) with the new immigrants equally, even though these resources are already woefully inadequate and are only being gutted further.

the elite tells the natives that the immigrants are essential to the economy of the country, but actually only the elites will reap profits by exploiting the labour of the immigrants. they use metrics like GDP to convince everybody "the country" is doing well, when only they are doing well.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:50:49 2019 No.14310215 >>14310172 Can anyone validate if the other dude in the suit in the rear is also an author self-insert? If so, I will re-attach his head.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:56:24 2019 No.14310229 Explain to me why open borders are bad. I'm an European and I'm extremely grateful I'm able to freely travel between most countries on my continent. Would you rather go back to the times of Berlin Wall?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:57:00 2019 No.14310234 >>14303532 lmao it is a self insert

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:58:08 2019 No.14310237

>>14310209
the basketball-based metaphor for this is very convoluted.

the height distribution of the native players would be more like 1ft, 1ft, 2ft, 2ft, 2ft, 3ft, 3ft, 3ft, 4ft, 7ft, 9ft, 100ft. and the 7ft and 100ft basketball players are telling everybody we need to let some more 1ft players on the team, even though they don't speak the same language or play basketball in the same way. and even though they already have a basketball team that really needs players.

and the 7ft player is telling all the 3ft players that they need to pass the ball to them more otherwise they're heightist.

also, there already aren't enough uniforms or lockers and one of the backboards has been smashed

not sure my version of this book will ever get published desu

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:59:54 2019 No.14310242 >>14310229 Strawman.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:01:43 2019 No.14310245

>>14304289
Islam doesn't allow music, Arabs had music before Islam and they have it today. Just look at their radio stations

https://radio.garden/listen/shufi-mafi/4oHqNIEA

This rule has been disobeyed for fucking ages, especially by converts like Turkey

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:02:44 2019 No.14310248
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>>14310209
Don't worry, when things go to real shit and they can no longer use house prices to keep the hordes of drug addicted street shitters out of their enclaves the elites can use their vast wealth to set up shop in some East Asian city state, or if the worst happens - Sea Steading!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:05:28 2019 No.14310252 >>14303885 >The three word response to this is "Any minority in any nation" brainletwojak.jpg

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:15:17 2019 No.14310276

>>14309978
>preschoolers don't make nba players shorter
Notice he moves from a scenario (mass immigration) that has clear causal effects -- irrespective of your belief in the positive or negative interpretation of those effects -- to presenting an analogy that has a characteristic that doesn't have any causation present? Then he moves immediately to a positive interpretation of some indeterminate "everyone is better off" that implies causation? Someone should coin a made up fallacy word for his sneaky reasoning here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:19:34 2019 No.14310291 >>14310177 kek

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:41:20 2019 No.14310363 >>14310276 There is probably already a term in he pilpul taxonomy for this.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:54:34 2019 No.14310385
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>>14310276
That's because it's out of context. The bit about the arithmetic fallacy comes right after a few pages of concrete reasoning about how the existing population will gain more than it loses.
The whole thing is on library genesis.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:07:39 2019 No.14310415 Man i like smbc but YIKES

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:15:23 2019 No.14310437

>>14310385
On one page he says immigrants increase demand more than they increase competition, then on the next page he admits he lost his job to an immigrant because the immigrants didn't increase demand enough. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't someone be hired at the level of a university professor more on skill, ability, and experience instead of simply agreeing to work for less pay? He lost his job because someone else was better than him, not because they'd do the same job for less.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:17:19 2019 No.14310445 >>14310385 This particular page that you posted is shit. Factories are already lowering the level of skill required for job positions so retards can fill the slots. I witnessed this firsthand. We are being groomed for replacement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:19:46 2019 No.14310453 >>14310385 Are you going to upgrade to the new cover that we made for you? The old cover just seems mundane in comparison.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:24:29 2019 No.14310463
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>>14310385
He throws so many shitty arguments at the page it's hard to know which one to focus on, but first
>Low IQ Americans will become all become managers
No, they won't. Pic related. The benefits accrue, briefly, to the right side of the bell curve.
>High IQ immigrants are great
Only in the context of not being an economic burden. Having high IQ outsiders in positions of power fundamentally weakens the nation, they have very different priorities to natives. See recent espionage by chinese immigrants at basically every level of corporate and government defense research.
>The cuisine is great!
Fuck off.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:24:29 2019 No.14310464

>>14310385
How is it out of context? He's replying on the page to a challenge from a guy in the first panel about standards of living as if that is a counter-argument to the proceeding pages (he even says "But ..."). The image page you've linked to is not related to the rebuttal to this challenge. The pages you've linked to are an argument about economic gains and losses. The challenger asks a question about a larger class of entities than economic (standard of living).

The argument still stands that his analogy that supports the alleged "arithmetic fallacy" is ontologically committed to causation in the target domain (both the challenge and the final part of that page), but the source domain of his analogy (the relation between children and NBA players) is devoid of causation. He's being deceptive about a key entity present in both the challenge and his own conclusion.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 08:25:07 2019 No.14310467

>>14310437
>he admits he lost his job to an immigrant because the immigrants didn't increase demand enough
He says he could perhaps have gotten a job at a more prestigious university if the number of immigrant professors wasn't relatively much larger than the number of immigrant students. I don't think he literally lost his job. The "rightly" is tongue-in-cheek.
For professors, borders are already effectively open, so there are more skilled professors in the US than there would be otherwise. But that doesn't extend to students.
Full open borders would increase the supply of students, and therefore the demand for professors, but it wouldn't further increase the supply of professors.
i.e.
>immigration increases the number of professors far more than it increases the number of students
I don't think he's contesting that the foreign Harvard professor is more skilled/qualified than him.

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 11:02:32 2019 No.14311118

>>14310385
first panel makes unfounded claims regarding the market response and elasticity.
Second panel is nonsense, there are simply too many americans to have that number of managers. Most also completely shits on those who don't end up having a managerial role.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:19:24 2019 No.14311464 >>14304152 >women didnt get raped before migration

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:22:05 2019 No.14311479 >>14304234 people care about Arabic art and literature

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:25:52 2019 No.14311503 >>14304511 >Do I really need to provide fucking economic statistics when almost everybody in the UK wants to fucking get away from these people wherever they are? no, you need to provide statistics for THAT

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:42:25 2019 No.14311587

>>14311503
You know that the 17 million people who voted for Brexit don't really give a fuck about economics or statistics? They voted Brexit because (they though) it would stop immigration. That's literally the only reason that the average working class leave voter could actually give. It's also totally natural to not want your culture to be eroded and replaced for some shit mix of random Asian and African "cultures".

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:45:33 2019 No.14311610 >>14311587 >They voted Brexit because it would stop immigration. yet another claim that requires citation. You can't project your views on 17 million people and expect to be taken seriously

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 12:52:43 2019 No.14311649

>>14311610
Do you live in the UK? If so, you will be already aware that we have collectively been discussing Brexit all day every day for the last several years. Now unless you've literally been living under a rock, you will most likely have spoken to hundreds of people about Brexit, and maybe heard thousands of opinions, polls, etc. on the issue. If you'd lived here in a month you'd get the impression that most leavers just simply don't like what immigration has done.

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