/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14300867]

>literally went bat shit crazy
>LITEARALLY a mentalcel
How can anyone find him inspiring?

[Anonymous No.14300878]

Cause they actually read his books instead of the death section of the wiki

[Anonymous No.14300883]

>>14300878
i actually watched a 15 minute documentary, moron

[Anonymous No.14300885]

He devoted his life to meaning and truth

[Anonymous No.14300888]

>>14300867
because he was right about everything except for the jews

[Anonymous No.14300899]

Neetshit btfo??!?!?

[Anonymous No.14300910]

>>14300885
Well what did he discover?

[Anonymous No.14300919]

This is a modern shit. Liking someone's work or not based on their personal history. Go back to twitter.

[Anonymous No.14300920]

>>14300899
*ahem*

[Anonymous No.14300931]

God said to Nietzsche: That'll Tietzsche, You irritating little Krietzsche.

[Anonymous No.14300949]

>>14300931
fucking lol

[Anonymous No.14300951]

>>14300885
>devote your life to meaning and truth
>find neither

[Anonymous No.14300961]

>>14300885
>spend entire life looking for truth
>die of a stroke in an asylum

truly poetic and almost, just almost ironic

[Anonymous No.14301057]

>mentalcel
>mental incel

[Anonymous No.14301133]

>>14300885
So sad that almost all of his contemporaries achieved more than him, he ended up being what he despised most, an idol for a rabid fandom that lacks discernment and rigour in their thinking. His works are serviceable but lacking in any depth and yet he will be immortalised in pop culture. Truly ironic

[Anonymous No.14301191]

>>14301133
Im enjoying this.
I gradually grew to hate Nietzsche as I grew older.
He was your typical wannabe who wants to be anything that he isn't and blames every single fucking thing for this fact othervthan himself.
When I realized I was the same way I changed overnight and stopped being a little bitch. This was 9 years ago. For NEETzsche, this day never came.
He is not a teacher, he is an example what not to become

[Anonymous No.14301198]

>>14301133
>>14301191
Holy christ on a cracker. Dont think he'll recover from these..

[Anonymous No.14301210]

>>14300867
Brain cancer will do that to you.

[Anonymous No.14301212]

>>14300867
If a crazy old prisoner has the keys to your chains, but not his, would you still take the old prisoners keys?

[Anonymous No.14301216]

>>14301198
Dead people don't recover.

[Anonymous No.14301220]

>>14301191
t. got his shit pushed in on /lit/ by Nietzsche readers

Stay salty, Christcuck.

[Anonymous No.14301223]

>>14301212

What is this from? That's so based.

[Anonymous No.14301227]

>>14301216
And it was G_d himself who slayeth that beast! Ironic. Truly ironic.

[Anonymous No.14301230]

>>14301223
Not that guy, but it's from Nietzsche, except rephrased / warped.

>There is a false saying: “How can someone who can’t save himself save others?” Supposing I have the key to your chains, why should your lock and my lock be the same?

[Anonymous No.14301249]

i believed for a long time in the idea he had a kind of alzheimer's inherited from his late father, who also died very early, and i called the neysayers out all the time on it

but the truth is, i have come to understand it was indeed his philosophy that drove him mad, although he thought he was drawing a sketch for the Overman, in actual fact, Nietzsche was creating for himself, successfully, a blueprint to become the first ever Body without Organs.

he truly created a worldview so otherworldly that he could no longer speak, write, or know himself. He tried to sow his fingers to his fist, his mouth closed, and his ass shut, metaphorically, because he had reached the plane of pure immanence, most of us could only hope to achieve.

[Anonymous No.14301258]

>>14301249
He actually just had brain cancer. There's nothing about his philosophy that's maddening, lol.

[Anonymous No.14301264]

>>14301230

Wait so you're telling me Nietzsche preemptively BTFO OP?
That's something.

[Anonymous No.14301274]

>>14301258
He was the abyss gazer par excellence, this is quite the mad way to live

[Anonymous No.14301279]

>>14301264
he is just THAT good

[Anonymous No.14301280]

>>14301230
This is a perfect example of what Nietzsche is, a poet, and I mean this in its most detestable sense. There is a reason Plato wanted to ban poets from the republic, it’s because they make the truth fundamentally inaccessible. They are the sirens of intellect and reasons, luring people in with turns of phrases and bold emotional imagery. Nietzsche was a charlatan of the highest caliber, I actually have read all his works and ultimately it leaves you empty handed. At least reading Marx, as unwieldy and simplistic as his worldview was, left me feeling like I had developed to some extent. Nietzsche just puts whatever sounds “cool” in his works, it’s all about the phrasing and never the meaning. Like the quote you just gave, sure in that analogy it’s true, but it doesn’t make it actually true in any instance EXCEPT that analogy. If someone is drowning and you’re drowning, they can’t save you. The situation is contingent on asymmetrical conditions which makes the example inherently too specific to be worth anything. What an intellectual leper. A worthless philosopher who did nothing but equip an army of young adults with a heightened sense of intelligence and a book of catchy phrases to “BTFO” anyone who disagrees with them.

[Anonymous No.14301282]

>>14300867
Why mentalcel instead of mentalet? Do you know what cel is short for?

[Anonymous No.14301283]

>>14301280
>they make the truth fundamentally inaccessible
But Nietzsche is the only one who made the truth that is will to power accessible.

[Anonymous No.14301284]

>>14301280
>Listening to the men that stunted western thought for 2400 years with his garbage metaphysicals
cringe

[Anonymous No.14301288]

>>14301280
>they make the truth fundamentally inaccessible
Still one of those truthbguys are we? Lol. You'll see soon enough.

[Anonymous No.14301294]

>>14301258
he didn't go mad exactly, he became a Body without Organs. he became the crucified and dionysus and a horse with no arsehole. he gazed upon the last men from within the immanent plane. how do you think a man like that can prepare his own lunch and visit the post office when he shits out the same hole he eats with?

[Anonymous No.14301296]

>>14301220
I used to be an atheist back then, but sure, I am a Christian now, and it feels pretty good desu famalam.

[Anonymous No.14301298]

>>14301280
>platonists still insist he was right despite the reign if christianity ending up in this nihilistic stew we call "the west"

Haha!

[Anonymous No.14301304]

>>14301296
solve the problem of evil right now faggot

[Anonymous No.14301315]

>>14301283
>will to power
Ah, the mental refuge of the weak. Charming :)

[Anonymous No.14301320]

>>14301315
How does that make any sense whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.14301321]

>>14301304
Why?
It's not my problem lol.

[Anonymous No.14301331]

>>14301280
i think you'll find Nietzsche retroactively BTFO your argumentation here by saying all philosophy is metaphor upon metaphor, based within the human intellect, based upon dissimulation. So there's really no difference between a philosopher and a poet, only one confuses and muddles with flowery prose, and the other with mindnumbing dullness

[Anonymous No.14301338]

>>14301320
It makes sense once you develop a degree of self-awareness and start to understand who you are.
Meditation is superior to everyhing that Nietzsche ever did or said.

[Anonymous No.14301341]

>>14301284
>>14301288
>>14301283
>>14301298
Samefag Nietzsche fanboy coping hard lmao

[Anonymous No.14301343]

>>14301338
What do you think will to power even is? I'm curious.

[Anonymous No.14301349]

>>14301331
>snake oil salesman claims all medicines are snake oils

[Anonymous No.14301350]

>>14300931
hnahhaha

[Anonymous No.14301356]

>>14301296
>I took a leap of faith to feel good
Contemporary Christianity sure is shallow desu. God exists, surely, yet.. what does he say? Does he speak to you? And how do you know this isnt just your inner desire, your own will speaking, in its own interest? How do we know what is claimed he has said to be what he has actually said? Is it just faith? But where has this faith led? Look around and see how pathetic, weak, ugly, and low the whole world is? Where is beauty, nobility, joy, lightness? They've all evaporated like a puddle in the sun. If this is where Christian morals lead us then why do we take this leap? This leap which is nothing but our will telling us what its been whipped into believing?

[Anonymous No.14301363]

>>14301331

>retroactively

Why does no one on this board seem to know what this word means? Is it some meme I'm not aware of?

Not the guy you're responding to btw.

[Anonymous No.14301366]

>>14301341
Seethe platonist. Seethe.

[Anonymous No.14301375]

>>14301349
>snake oil salesman claims all snake oil is snake oil, but his snake oil is still better than the rest

that's a snake oil salesman you can trust! or nah?

[Anonymous No.14301383]

>>14301363
i think this board retroactively refuted your definition of retroactively

[Anonymous No.14301385]

>>14301375

>snake oil salesman claims snakes oil snakesmen clemen saleoil snakemoil claim

Utterly BTFO

[Anonymous No.14301388]

>>14301341
cope more tradcuck

[Anonymous No.14301389]

>>14301331
Not remotely true. Case in point, the genealogy of morality, an interesting work and a good framework for behavioural patterns. But instead of approaching it from a biological angle, understanding that instrumental goals always follow terminal goals and since power/self preservation is a terminal goal for individuals, weakness CAN be an instrumental goal for resource acquisition, such a behavioural framework is grounded in material observations. Instead Nietzsche launches into a tirade about Christianity when Christianity is a symptom, the weak will always congregate to compete against the strong, empathy will always be exploited, etc
There are material dynamics at play such as industrialisation, specialisation, psychological exploitation. But it doesn’t make as punchy a narrative. Whenever Nietzsche is on the verge of truth he immediately gets carried away by his overly creative and narcissistic impulse to have this revolutionary and iconoclastic synthesis of history and culture. He wants to be a cultural copernicus so badly, it poisons his work.

[Anonymous No.14301395]

>>14300910
that the worldview containing the objective configuration of things does not outcompete everything else.

[Anonymous No.14301399]

>>14301363
the actual term would be preemptively, but it doesnt have the same je ne se quoi

[Anonymous No.14301400]

>>14301383

Retroactive is when you decide something now and it takes effect from a certain date in the past. I only see it used here to describe the opposite.

But yeah I guess its classic 4chan "omg he didn't get the joke you got trolled bro"

[Anonymous No.14301403]

>>14301375
You understand that with you just did is totally disingenuous right? Is this the fabled power of Nietzsche fanboys?

[Anonymous No.14301404]

>>14301343
It's the expression of a lacking, which is weakness.

[Anonymous No.14301405]

>>14301389
>weakness CAN be an instrumental goal for resource acquisition

oh my god, this is like Lacanian 'desire is based on lack' level dumbness here

[Anonymous No.14301407]

>>14301399

Ok so it's a meme. A language perverting meme on a literature board. You guys should know better.

[Anonymous No.14301411]

>>14301404
You have no honest idea, do you?

[Anonymous No.14301413]

>>14301405

How is that dumb though? Have you ever gone grocery shopping hungry?

[Anonymous No.14301414]

>>14301280
Nietzsche isn't completely useless he defined slave morality and master mentality, and of course his ideas on the Uberman are fascinating. And yes, Nietzsche himself did somewhat regret making his philosophy 'too simple' so that just anyone could read it and think that they are some kind of modern philosopher.

[Anonymous No.14301417]

>>14301405
It isn’t dumb you moron, this is the problem with continental philosophy, an absolute refusal to learn basic biology, mathematics, etc
Because again you’re all poets desperately trying to inflate your egos with words. Materialist explanations don’t fit into your grand cultural revolutions.

[Anonymous No.14301425]

This thread is fucking garbage

[Anonymous No.14301427]

>>14301230
It's almost as if he knew he was going to go crazy or something

[Anonymous No.14301431]

>>14301414
He defined the ideas but missed the cause because he is teleological in his approach. Instead of simply describing what he observed he wants to shoehorn it into this image and idea of rebellion. Like his phrase “god is dead” or “gaze into the abyss etc etc” these aren’t philosophical insights, they’re rock lyrics. He desperately wanted to be cool, it makes all his work disingenuous. Even his term “slave/master morality” it’s all designed for maximum memetic fitness. If you read his personal correspondence he was deeply insecure dude

[Anonymous No.14301434]

>>14301425
Yet why should it be any other way?

[Anonymous No.14301435]

>>14301356
>Contemporary Christianity sure is shallow desu
Everything is shallow for a shallow person.
When you practice religion, it's not about you or your expectations. You leave those at the door. And if you can't you will never find what you are looking for. Christianity is not about getting what you want. It's about what God wants. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done.
>Where is beauty, nobility, joy, lightness?
It's everywhere. Maybe you expect too much, or you expect these ideals to conform to your idea of how they should be.

[Anonymous No.14301440]

>>14301389
he talks about boring bugman scholars like yourself in Zarathustra
you are like ornery cats waiting below the table of the creative spirit, yearning for any scraps he may drop your way and hissing at the fact that they don't fully satiate your empty souls

[Anonymous No.14301446]

>>14301413
>Have you ever gone grocery shopping hungry?

yeah it's a terrible idea, you come back with twice as much junk food as you normally would and no money next time you actually need it

>Whenever Nietzsche is on the verge of truth he immediately gets carried away by his overly creative and narcissistic impulse to have this revolutionary and iconoclastic synthesis of history and culture.

yeah but that's what makes it fun though. you don't have to swallow the whole thing, that's why it's snake oil, you shouldn't just take the snake oil alone, but probably beat your skin with Thyme or something as well to compound the effects of the potion. Maybe try Deleuze, and see how it can be combined with Marx, etc

[Anonymous No.14301452]

>>14301431
>nitchy wrote good... so that makes it wrong. Where's the boredom?

Kek. Scathing critique. Philosophy fags needs to be gassed.

[Anonymous No.14301453]

>>14301411
I just gave you what it is. I also gave it toyou in it's true form and not in the garment of grandiosity you would love it to wear. That is why you are being a passive agressive little bitch :)

[Anonymous No.14301456]

>>14301435
Hahaha what god wants. Im in tears. He whispered into your ear did he?

[Anonymous No.14301458]

>>14301425
That's fitting. It's NEETzsche after all.

[Anonymous No.14301459]

>>14301434
I guess I just forgot how many shit readings of Nietzsche are out there.

[Anonymous No.14301460]

>>14301446

So then the desire to buy stuff is based on my need for food? So you agree that Lacan was correct?

[Anonymous No.14301461]

>>14301440
Dude read what you just wrote. Actually think about it for a second. How can you read Aristotle and then Nietzsche and not feel immense cringe. The dude had a crazy almost messianic complex, constantly pre-emoting criticism. Even the imagery used is borderline schizo, I’m a filthy “rationalist” who’s “boring” and “like a cat under a table yearning for scraps” these are not the expressions of a wise or even passably insightful person. They’re the ramblings of an egomaniac.

[Anonymous No.14301468]

>>14301456
He did, but not in my ear.

[Anonymous No.14301471]

>>14301453

[Anonymous No.14301472]

>>14301452
>good writing
You’re in college aren’t you? Is AC/DC your favourite band?

[Anonymous No.14301473]

>>14301435

The Chad believer

>>14301456

The virgin skeptic

[Anonymous No.14301479]

>>14301459
>surely it's all the readings that are shit and not the material itself.

[Anonymous No.14301482]

>Nietzsche was narcissistic trying to be prophetic.

I hope this isn't coming from one of the christians itt, who read a book by men who claim they are literally writing god's word.

[Anonymous No.14301484]

>>14301479

It's hard to say something worthwhile about the work of someone who is your superior in every way.

[Anonymous No.14301489]

>>14301407
>perverts your linguistic hegemony
heh, nothing personnel kid

[Anonymous No.14301490]

>>14301482
>criticizing NEETzsche makes you a christian
Tedious...

[Anonymous No.14301495]

>>14301460
what the fuck kind of hole is Bloomberg plugging by making another billion dollars? there's no-one on this earth lacking that much cock in their ass

[Anonymous No.14301497]

>>14301484
>the ramblings of a madman who achieved nothing and died without becoming what he wanted to become
>superior
pick one

[Anonymous No.14301503]

Nietzsche and Foucault have the same problem. Both of them are smart and might be "technically correct"but they are too contrarian and pessimistic that they don't end up embracing and solid position

[Anonymous No.14301508]

>>14301484
Why is this always the fallback for specifically the guy who’s dick is being sucked at the given moment? Like I’m sure if I were quoting Plato in some other discussion you’d probably shit all over him, or Popper, or Wittgenstein, or someone else. This defense is only ever pulled out to defend the guy you’re currently worshipping, because it’s an incoherent defense. Virtually every famous philosopher is the superior of a person on 4chan, which means no philosopher can be criticised.

[Anonymous No.14301509]

>>14301471

[Anonymous No.14301510]

>>14301431
>If you read his personal correspondence he was deeply insecure
Yeah but that just takes us back to the original statement by OP. 'Why should we lisen to Nietzsche because he was X?' He still had a lot of good ideas.

[Anonymous No.14301516]

>>14301472
oh hold on let me namedrop some obscure classical composers and call you stupid for even thinking that a "band" is the default for musical performance and composition. You will then reply with "those aren't even obscure!!!"

Btw nitch was a good writer.

[Anonymous No.14301518]

>>14301479
I personally think that Kierkegaard is way better for direct personal application, but Nietzsche is extremely influential.

[Anonymous No.14301522]

>>14301495

>I don't actually know what money is : the post

You think he puts that billion dollars in a safe somewhere? Scrooge McDuck style? No he invests it to keep his empire afloat, the money takes the form of assets. He needs to because he has competitors who will eat him alive if he doesn't. That need (or at the very least perceived need) creates the desire.

[Anonymous No.14301526]

>>14301495
You obviously have no idea how wealth works you blithering idiot. You think Bloomberg woke up yesterday and said “I’m gonna make some more money”, no he has a company, he own a stake in that company, if he sells the stake he’ll have more money but give up control over the company, instead he runs the company, the more successfully he runs it, the more it’ll inevitably make. At a certain point capital becomes like a black hole, sucking more money in, paradoxically Bloomberg cannot NOT make money without essentially quitting his job. So the real question is “why does Bloomberg keep working” to which the answer is obviously “purpose”, presumably anyone with the energy (not even skill or talent but you definitely need a lot of energy) to make a lot of money, a sense of purpose is very important.

[Anonymous No.14301527]

>>14301509
Look at that proto-ubermensch shattering the symbol of religion through sheer will.

[Anonymous No.14301529]

>>14301518
>Nietzsche is extremely influential
Only because he is anti-christian, which jams well with the revolutionary ethos, because somehow christianity is still perceived by the masses as the status quo somehow.
He is truly the most overrated philosopher of our age.

[Anonymous No.14301532]

>>14301461
yes Im sure all the paradigm breaking thought has been done by stringent rationalists like yourself
the best pseud scholars can do is work within existing systems, perfecting what they are, but never realizing the fragile and narrow plane that their "truths" are examining
it takes the egomanic and the madman to see the edges of the hegemony and want to see outside of them, knowing full well it could destroy himself and the society around him, which is exactly what Nietzsche did, and people are still in shambles today

[Anonymous No.14301533]

>>14301527
No, it's the symbol of the religion(Jesus) shattering the symbol of sin(crosses were used by rome to execute criminals). You are very dumb aren't you?

[Anonymous No.14301534]

>>14301529
The most overrated philosopher who just happened to be read by all of the major players of WWII and all of the 20th century philosophers and most artists.

[Anonymous No.14301539]

>>14301522
>>14301526

>Why yes I am a /biz/ crossposter, how could you tell?

[Anonymous No.14301541]

>>14301534
Please read that post again you dumb motherfucker.

[Anonymous No.14301543]

>>14301516
I love how you call me out for my supposed elitism in my comment, yet simultaneously you probably exercise elitism towards other people. I bet deep down you think much more highly of yourself than some rural midwesterners who go to church and put their money in a collection bin and light candles asking to not get sick this year, you probably think they’re rubes, however when I insinuate that YOU might be the rube, that’s just too much.

[Anonymous No.14301544]

>>14301522
>>14301526

wow, you two really have the world figured out so hard. Poor Bloomberg is just desperately trying to make another billy. so lol

[Anonymous No.14301547]

>>14301529
If you take away "anti-Christian" as the most important point of Nietzsche then you've made an error somewhere. He's anti-Church for sure, but he has begrudging respect for Jesus.

[Anonymous No.14301549]

>>14301544
Nice cope anon, you get massively BTFO.

[Anonymous No.14301553]

>>14301529
>because somehow christianity etc.
Lol. Almost 100% of contemporary atheists are just Christians who deny the existence of god. They love their little moral system of cursing this world, of condemning man as evil, as saying how much they love their neighbor. What is the difference in moral system to a contemporary christian and one who isn't? Nothing. It's so vindicating to me see that everyone who says "neetshit is overrated bro..." turns out to have no understanding of his work

[Anonymous No.14301563]

>>14301544

>I'm not literally starving to death therefore I must have no desires

[Anonymous No.14301566]

>>14301522
>>14301526
dudes, you know the people making this kind of money aren't working for their money right? at that level investments are self-recouping, self-accruing. they are financially independent, yet they desire more more more more!

[Anonymous No.14301569]

>>14301553
Your precious maverick actively supported women attending his lectures and even wrote letters bemoaning how few orgasms they have received because of how inconsiderate men are. Remember that every time you want to mention “based NEETCH BTFO slave morality”

[Anonymous No.14301570]

>>14301547
>he has begrudging respect for Jesus
And despises his followers

[Anonymous No.14301572]

>>14301533
He was crucified by Jews who lobbied with Roman politicians for rebelling against them, but this does not mean he served another church, especially not one that operates very similarly to the one he rebelled against.

[Anonymous No.14301581]

>>14301541
My point is that his anti-Christian sentiment and the "revolutionary ethos" has nothing to do with it because his influence reached way farther than these domains. It reached the whole world.

[Anonymous No.14301587]

>>14301553
>What is the difference in moral system to a contemporary christian and one who isn't?
One is a moral system, the other one is a set of arbitrary preferences.
Atheists don't have morals.

[Anonymous No.14301589]

>>14301566
Bloomberg uses his shares to vote on the board of directors. He makes decisions about the firm, who’s the CEO etc. Those decisions affect stock price. In order to stop making money he either has to sell his shares and STOP voting, or actively vote AGAINST his interest. Both are illogical decisions. He is motivated by a desire to actively participate in life. You wouldn’t understand because you’re probably young, when you’re old you don’t want to just sit on a yacht and fuck bitches, especially when you could Already have been doing it for decades. You want to feel like you matter, like people care, old people are forgettable. So he gets to go to the board room meetings, he gets to make decisions etc. At this point reality is like a video game for him, people play video games so there’s obvs a desire for strategic decision making innate to humans. Probably from our hunter gatherer days

[Anonymous No.14301595]

>>14301570
A seething, insightful critic is worth more than a half-hearted follower.

[Anonymous No.14301597]

>>14301581
So?
Him being read by a bunch of famous and important people and still being worthless just proves my assertion about him being overrated. (Overrated things are more popular then they deserve to be, that's the entire fucking point.)
>>14301572
Who cares? Your passive aggressive little swipe was retarded, that was the point of my post.

[Anonymous No.14301602]

>>14301597
See >>14301220

[Anonymous No.14301605]

>>14301595
That's true, but NEETzsche was only seething, and not particularly insightful.

[Anonymous No.14301607]

>>14301589
>He is motivated by a desire to actively participate in life
THAT IS MY ARGUMENT

the other posters (or maybe it was even you) were arguing that desire is based on lack

[Anonymous No.14301609]

>>14301595
>unjust god
Where does this meme come from? I never understood why people, well educated people at that, call god unjust. It doesn’t make any sense.

[Anonymous No.14301610]

>>14301602
See >>14301191

[Anonymous No.14301611]

>>14301566

>They don't work for their money

First of all this is absolute horseshit considering strategizing, acquiring and management are absolutely work, and a lot of big players put more hours than you can imagine fighting off lawsuits from competitors, putting the right people in the right places etc.

Second of all that is not what we were discussing, you are moving the goalposts. We were discussing whether Bloomberg has a desire for money based on need, not whether he earns said money by working for it.

[Anonymous No.14301616]

>>14301570
Because they aren't really his followers.

[Anonymous No.14301618]

>>14301611
pretty sure my example retroactively BTFO of Lacans desire based on lack

[Anonymous No.14301621]

>>14301616
no true christian fallacy

[Anonymous No.14301623]

What even is his 'philosophy'? It's more like poetry to me.

[Anonymous No.14301624]

>>14301607
Except you actually wrongly accused me of lacanianism, I am a biological materialist. I believe all behaviours are rooted in survival strategies, Nietzsche slave morality is just a form of resource acquisition through empathy exploitation, and the ceaseless greed of billionaires is simply the left overs of hunter pathways that stimulate dopamine and other feel good chemicals when we outcompete others.

[Anonymous No.14301625]

>>14301605
Well, I and most people just hard disagree with you here.
>>14301609
I think it's polemical in this context. Unjust in an intuitive sense in other ones.

[Anonymous No.14301634]

>>14301607

Then he LACKS the extra money needed to buy back shares or whathaveyou in order to actively participate the way he thinks optimal. What you're doing is semantics, and very lazy at that.

[Anonymous No.14301635]

>>14301609
have you ever studied history at all

[Anonymous No.14301639]

>>14301618
Even so you could frame it as “lack of purpose” -> desire for purpose
Making money is just a filler. If anything your example might suggest Lacan is right, Bloomberg doesn’t NEED money at all, the money itself is almost incidental, what he wants is PURPOSE. Because we all lack purpose in this life.

[Anonymous No.14301645]

>>14301635
A random world is invariably the most jsur

[Anonymous No.14301649]

>>14301623
It's non-systemic by design, which is one of its strong points. I personally read it as an exploration of what it takes for humans to flourish.

[Anonymous No.14301653]

>>14301645
*just

[Anonymous No.14301654]

>>14301623
Life is will to power and nothing besides.

[Anonymous No.14301658]

A lot of half-readers ITT pretending to have dismissed Kierkegaard's younger brother, and a lot more non-readers pretending to understand him

[Anonymous No.14301663]

>>14301649
>non systemic by design
Or more like he didn’t want to constrain himself with trivial stuff like “logic” or “reason”, after all he was aspiring for much loftier heights: the go to philosopher of every rich executive who wants to seem smart at the country club

[Anonymous No.14301672]

>>14301624
no way jose, i think you entered the conversation on the wrong ticket. the discussion was about lacan from the get go, and prior to that it was about power coming from weakness, both retroactively BTFO by moi

>>14301634
holy shit dude, are you a philosopher?

>>14301639
you do not 'lack' power over people, you desire power over people. sure, there can be a desire to overcome lack, but it is not the root of all desire, the will to power could be based in lack (slave morality), but it can also be proactive, procreative, as can desire

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>>14301621
The kingdom of heaven is within you. If Jesus actually taught that, then everything about Christianity is falsehood using his name to make itself seem more important than it is.

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>>14301645
So no
because it was not random at all
it was millennia of targeted carnage rape and torture over scarce resources and pure human malevolence towards each other for existing as a group that was not their own
if this is the justice of you and your god, then he is the ultimate sadist, inhaling rotting, crushed human bone like lines of cocaine, as you his disciple masturbates in blindfolded joy to his moans of ecstasy

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>>14301663
his skepticism, along with Kant's, actually were the dawn of the destruction of the dogma that humans had access to pure reason

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>>14301663
>his answer championing logic over rhetoric is written is a very rhetorical style.
poetry

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>>14301672
See pic related. You brought up Lacan, I was actually speaking in biological terms, instrumental goals etc.
Anyways desire implicitly means lack, I don’t know if English is your first language but Lacan is a bit of a meme precisely because his philosophy is in many ways semantically self justifying.
If you desire something, like power, it implies you don’t want to not have it, that is a lack. In purely material terms what you want and how important it is, is contingent on your terminal goals. If your terminal goal is to die, then a “lack of food” is an incoherent proposition. If your terminal goal is “world domination” then you may be “lacking” in trillions of dollars and nuclear weapons. It all depends on the terminal goals.

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>>14301703
Forgot pic

[Anonymous No.14301720]

Good shitposting boys see you all next time im out. Gonna go slay some pussy.

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>>14301699
Fucking YIKES dude. Plenty of ancient philosophers understood the problem of objective reason. Fucking platos cave mentions that you can exit the cave as an aspirational goal, not an achievable one, much like the Ubermensch will never happen but we aspire to it.
>>14301672
Will to power is a complete meme because it’s circularly defined. Power being whatever you “will” yourself to, and whatever you will yourself to, being power. Under what parameters could I disprove this claim? This is what I mean when I say Nietzsche is a poet, will to power is the most circular truism possible, a meaningless statement with no predicative power, no actual INSIGHT into anything tangible. Just a poetic turn of phrase that basically means “instrumental goals further terminal goals”. It certainly doesn’t mean power in the conventional self, for example if I commit suicide then I am willing myself to an action that does not increase power, without making power some epistemological placeholder that means precisely what it needs to mean to validate the statement. Embarrassing.

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>>14301703
yes yes, i see, twas you. i wholeheartedly agree with you in every sense. but i also must say, if it was also you who said
>the problem with continental philosophy, it disregards biology, mathematics, etc.
the problem with this analytic autistic perspective on everything is that it doesn't take into account the kinds of motivations that lead an organism to achieve goals X, Y, Z. it's precisely why you need someone like Nietzsche to come along and talk about the differences in motivation, in will, from strength and from weakness, to provide an account of Desire.

it's easy to sit behind a calculator and say -3 + 4 = 1 and say well done, now i know desire comes from lack.

but when you have 3,000,000 and you + 310 so you = 3,000,310 you should probably start thinking about using continental philosophy to flesh out your biology and mathematics

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>>14301724
he saw himself (the philosopher) as someone who exited the cave, saw the truth, and returned to try and explain what he saw to the cave dwellers
he never expressed that man was unable to observe rational truth, because that would completely undermine his metaphysics

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>>14301724
>circularly defines
ok whats your solution to agrippas trilemma

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>>14301570
>And despises his followers
is there anything more Christian than hating other Christians?

[Anonymous No.14301904]

>>14300867
>he literally wrote a book about how he is so smart
>he literally used all kind of drugs
>he literally god STDs
>he literally beta ashamed Socrates but omitted that Plato was the Chad of all chads

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>>14301883
Molesting altar boys

[Anonymous No.14301967]

>>14301057
>Doesn't know what -cel stands for
It's mentally celibate incel.

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>>14301967
as opposed to physically celibate?

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>>14301133
>>14301191
I wonder what joy people as dumb as you guys get out of reading books

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>>14301977
nah in incelology, you always place the teleological explanation of your condition before -cel
so if being east indian is the cause, you are currycel
if being asian is the cause, you are ricecel
if being OP is the cause, you are not celebate because you indulge in the homoerotic arts

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>>14300931
I don't get it

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>>14301425
Welcome to /lit/, enjoy your stay.

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>>14301724
All truth is circularly defined. If you don't grasp this, you haven't grasped Nietzsche.

Anyway, I really don't understand what the point of these threads is. Christianity is a mere husk of its former self and the entire thinking world moved on from it in the direction that monolithic minds like Nietzsche's set forth for it. His philosophy triumphed because it became associated with the most powerful forces in the world, which is all that matters. And the world has been permanently changed for it. There is no reversing the clock and undoing the changes. God remains dead and his followers will soon join him.

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>>14300867
Nietzsche was terribly wrong about almost everything he ever said, and now he's worshipped by the Üntermenschen he derided and is punished eternally in the ninth circle of Hell... What sweet poetry his fate is. I wonder if he loves it now... Hee hee...

[Anonymous No.14302616]

Nietzsche was possibly the most redpilled person to ever live.

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>>14300878
His books would give any unbiased observer a worse perception. He was incapable of arguing his beliefs rationally, so he constantly resorted to writing in aphorisms or allegory. When he does anything else, it becomes apparent that he has nothing to stand on but emotion. A complete retard like all other atheist existentialists.

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>>14302631
Don't you get tired of repeating the same retarded shit multiple times per thread across multiple threads that makes it obvious that you don't understand anything he wrote?

[Anonymous No.14302649]

If you think you get Nietzsche but you're still following his teachings like they're instructions you understood nothing. If you meet the Buddha on the road you kill him.

Keep no idols.

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>>14302644
I never get tired of BTFO'ing existentialists.

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>>14302661
Existentialism is a dumb meme that didn't exist during Nietzsche's time. It has nothing to do with him.

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>>14302672
He was literally a precursor to it, though.

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>>14302684
He wasn't really. He was concerned with existential matters but so have philosophers since forever. Existential philosophy is literally as old as the bible.

"Existentialist" is by far and away one of the most useless terms to come from 20th century hacks. You'd have a harder time finding philosophers that are decisively NOT existentialists.

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>>14302672
>>14302684
>>14302734

Wtf am I reading Kierkegaard was dead and buried when Nietzsche was like 10 years old.

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>>14302755
"Existentialism" didn't exist in Kierkegaard's lifetime either. The term was invented in the 20th century by frogfaggots to retroactively categorise characters like Kierkegaard, Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky into a singular kind of tradition.

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>>14302631
>constantly resorted to writing in aphorisms or allegory
Does this mean the Greeks couldn't argue their beliefs rationally?

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>>14302765

>Things don't exist until you name them

That's just, retarded

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>>14302776
Anon's point wasn't that existentialism didn't exist until the name was coined, it's that the name was coined to describe a bullshit non school of thought that did not need a name. Any concept of existentialism that is broad enough to include all commonly cited existentialists is going to be so generic as to be unusable - and this shows, every definition of "existentialism" will necessarily exclude at least some major existentialist figures.

Can I just decide Descartes, Stirner, Diogenes and Zizek are all ebinentialists and then come up with a definition of ebinentialism that doesn't even cover all of them and have that be considered a legit school of thought?

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>>14301404
That's more Schopenhauer then Nietsche

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>>14301296
Doing coke feels good too, so what?

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>>14302597
This is true but it’s about the arc of the circle. For example imagine we determine tomatoes cause pancreatic cancer, and we also know that tomatoes are a fruit, that tomatoes are red, and that they increase acidity. While I have all these statements I can define tomatoes as a “red, cancer-causing fruit with high acidity” however I cannot say that cancer is “the disease caused by tomatoes” because cancer is caused by other things and has other effects. So knowledge is like a web, one thing informs the definition of another thing which informs the definition of another thing and so on, but once a word fully defines another word then it becomes meaningless and tautological. Will to power has no truth value because the “power” it’s referring to is entirely subsumed by the will, it’s not referring to traditional power that has established links to other words because the conventional use of power is not always something we will ourselves to, such as suicide. At this point I may as well argue “God is real” and say “Real is that which is godlike” WOW atheists BTFO.

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>>14302776
You can't name a philosopher who wasn't chiefly concerned with existence or the nature of it. It's a meme categorization.

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>>14301904
>he literally beta ashamed Socrates
What kind of knob beta shames another man? Gonna need a source on this

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>>14302612
Calm down boomer

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>>14303222
Spend 4 nights of the week snorting coke and reading the bible, obviously.

>>14301356
>And how do you know this isnt just your inner desire, your own will speaking, in its own interest?

You don't, so just equate those two, like based virgin Neetch, obviously.

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>>14301274
>par excellence
One of my favorite parts of his writing style. It sounds so cool every time he says "par excellence"

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>>14300867
He's like the crazy uncle I take after. Use his demons to strengthen my own so I don't succumb to the same fate. He's my sad schmuck relative who I visit in the nursing home to write his story.

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>>14303864

Yes, and cubist painters don't paint cubes.
Sometimes names are misnomers, doesn't mean one can't be used to classify a movement.

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>>14305775
What's the movement exactly if it just continues a milennia-old tradition while doing nothing new?

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>>14305862

The name existentialism refers to existential angst, not existence or the nature of it.

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>>14305899
I stand by my question. It's pretty preposterous to think that no one felt "existential angst" prior to the 19th century, or that said angst was even a primary motivator for the ones from the 19th century lumped in with this group.

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>>14301191
You have a low IQ

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>>14302631
>He was incapable of arguing his beliefs rationally,
this guy never read about analytic philosophy

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>>14300883
>i actually watched a 15 minute documentary, moron
>on literature board
>15 minute documentary
its not even that long, you are the moron

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>>14305945

Ah yes, and therefore I'm wrong. Good point.

I'm not here to convince you but you can't just take a school of thought, which is easily characterized by it's preoccupation with existential dread and dealing with the absurd, as well as holding authenticity (lul just be urself) as the highest virtue, and say 'Uh it's nuh real because I said so on a frog breeding forum.'

Grow up

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>>14305945
>>14306011

Oh wait I'm a moron I responded to the wrong post. Durrr.

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>>14306011
>>14306022
And you expect me to take anything you type and post seriously?

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>>14303176
It's really buddhism actually.

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>>14303222
I wouldn't know, I only ever tired weed once and even then it didn't do anything for me.
Prayer beats weed easily.

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>>14302684
God existed before everything so he is responsible for all the fame and glory. Deal with it. NeetZsche stole all his ideas from God.

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>>14301678
You are dumb aren't you?
Do you even know what the Kindom of Heaven is?

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>>14302631
This. The guy's writings come off as a bipolar person spastically trying to articulate their thoughts in the depths of manic episode. It's entertaining, especially his little shit talking sessions, but he's really over-hyped, particularly due to brainlets who want to look smart, so they fall in line with other "intellects" and do shit like play chess even though they hate it and like a bird chirping a mating call exclaim "Ahhh yes Nietzsche, very good, very good" sometimes even managing to pronounce his name correctly half the time.

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>>14301388
Of course the most ineffective poster has to point out his individuality. You are a fucking shitdick.

>CRINGEEEEEEE

Faggot