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I found this compelling. Especially the point he made about porn tastes becoming more extreme to be stimulating.

Since everyone watches porn, what will be the societal effects. It explains the recent rise is more fetish porn like incest, maybe soon weird beastiality shit will be more common,

>> No.14294575

>>14294560
I give it a year before "white girl commits suicide" and "white bitch torture" is a genre on PornHub

>> No.14294584
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>>14294560
Stop this meme. Porn and masturbation are perfectly fine and healthy.

If there were ill-effects we would have already fucking seen them on a mass scale since people have been jerking off since the dawn of time.

I can't believe this /pol/ meme has spread so far holy shit it's like people taking physiognomy seriously. And of course it's always the people with no STEM background who cite guys like Rupert "your dog is psychic" Sheldrake and think they understand Biology.

>> No.14294592

>>14294584
>If there were ill-effects we would have already fucking seen them on a mass scale
uhhh but we do

>> No.14294597

>>14294584
Peak coomer cope. When will they wake up?

>> No.14294607
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>>14294584

>> No.14294621

>I fantasize about sucking trap cock and have extreme anxiety and am overall extremely maladapted
>it has to be the porn!
What a fucking cope lmao

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>>14294621
>>it has to be the porn!

>> No.14294636
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>>14294621
The coomer doubles down on his addiction. Sad.

>> No.14294639

>>14294560
Daily reminder this book isn't taken seriously at all by academia

>> No.14294640

>>14294632
Based

>> No.14294644

>>14294560
it's a factor in social decline
but it's a relatively small factor, there are much bigger fish to fry

>> No.14294650

>>14294592
Such as? And source as well

>> No.14294652

>>14294639
Shit /b/ros, it's not taken seriously by (((academia))), we'd better all start fapping

>> No.14294659

>>14294639
>academia
lol

>> No.14294660

>>14294607
The paranoid schizophrenic is back.

>> No.14294661
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>>14294575
>girl commits suicide porn

>> No.14294667

>>14294652
>>14294659
>I have no sources besides obvious quackery but am going on my own intuition that porn is degenerate and therefore must be bad

>> No.14294697
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14294697

Porn is literally the most Jewish thing ever.

Read Portnoy's Complaint for an insight into their haunted psyche.

>> No.14294710

>>14294667
ok coomer.

>> No.14294712

>>14294667
ok coomer.

>> No.14294714

>>14294650
>anon was never heard from again

>> No.14294719

>>14294667
Just read Libido Dominandi, bro. And next time you try to appeal to (((academia))), just remember that /lit/ doesn't give a fuck what some liberal boomer professor's opinion is

>> No.14294722

>>14294659
Anon gave a top kek
>taking academia seriously

>> No.14294724

>>14294584
>>14294621
>>14294639
>>14294650
>>14294667
>>14294714
samefag

>> No.14294725

>>14294714
ok coomer.

>> No.14294737

>A bunch of name calling and being unable to source their claims
so this is the power of chasity

>> No.14294748

>>14294724
So what?

>> No.14294751
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>>14294737
>Chastity makes you dumb, goyim!
The coomer is getting desperate.

>> No.14294767

>>14294737
One thing that does seem true, is that consuming too much porn may create unrealistic standards for real sex. Now that everyone can just go look at furry porn drawn to their specific whims of fictional creatures going at their favorite fetish, sometimes that can't even be lived out in real life, real sex starts looking an awful lot boring. Sure most people are able to separate fiction from reality in this case, but I've definitely met people being "disappointed" by their partners and it being nothing like their fantasies, that were always fueled by porn.

I don't think it's destroying society, just leading to a few disappointed people new to real sex.

>> No.14294773

>>14294737
The only person who cited anything ITT is OP.

Coomers seem to think they don't need to defend their opinions since it's already (((common knowledge)))

>> No.14294775

Sigh, I did not want this to turn into another pol argument thread.

His arguments are very well sourced and he regularly responds to criticism in detail on his site. This isn't an alt right conspiracy. Oh well.

>> No.14294780

>>14294773
>>14294719 also cited Libido Dominandi, but the coomer shill or slave will try and rubbish it by appealing to academia

>> No.14294791

>>14294560
So what's the gist of it? Masturbate to your imagination, not porn? I really doubt the book advocates for nofap completely.

>> No.14294807

>>14294661
Hahahaha

>> No.14294829

I'd rather coom once a week, then wake up from cooming my pants in sleep.

>> No.14294857

the fact that people get upset when you suggest maybe your brain shouldn't be overloaded with you pretending to fuck 10/10s on a regular basis shows a lot, the weirdest part is no fap, if you tell people you're doing it or have a thread discussing it you'll run into other grown men who're spending their time trying to convince you to masturbate

>> No.14295018

>>14294621

This but unironically

>> No.14295043

>>14294829

Wet dreams are caused by obsessive lustful thoughts

>> No.14295052

>>14295043
completely false and trivial to disprove

>> No.14295057

>>14295043
Can't confirm, you just wake up cooming. The dream itself is usually abstract and rarely sexualized, at least for me.

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Never got this chastity meme. Ive been watching porn every day for a decade and have had no negative side effects. Sounds like a bunch of bro-science based off some 19th century belief that sex is immoral

>> No.14295073

>>14294560
>recent rise is more fetish porn like incest
lol

>> No.14295092

I'm incredibly confused as to how people become desensitized to porn. Like you seriously get bored of people fucking? I remember when I first started I could make my self bust to just videos of women oiling their tits. Now I'm only watching POV videos. I refuse to watch any scene where I see a male body it's fucking weird. I've been watching POV for about 8 years and it never gets old. Not even like weird bondage or kink POV but just straight BJ, cowgirl, doggy POV.

I just don't fucking get it. How do you start one night being like "Yeah let me watch this bitch get wrapped up in ropes and fucked by a 10in rubber pulsating fuck machine" yall are weird POV 4 lyfe.

>> No.14295104

>>14295073
I don’t know why this made me laugh

>> No.14295128

>>14295092
I've ascended to the absolute heights of what fetishism has to offer and I still get horny when I imagine just kissing someone cute, I don't think desensitization is real.

>> No.14295143

>>14295066
It's a lot of guys who can't get laid and have shitty jobs who are looking for a scapegoat. They're blaming porn for their horrible lives, but never thinking to blame anything that really has a negative impact on their quality of life, like video games.

>> No.14295163

>>14295143
I dont play video games but i cant imagine it mattering that much. It's not like alcohol or something, its basically just an alternative to television

>> No.14295179

>>14295163
Not really. Video games are very anti-social and these guys literally play them for 4-5 hours every day. Guys who play them don't develop social skills, and the only thing they know how to talk about is video games with other guys, which of course doesn't help them one bit with women.

Women at least watch TV and so men who also watch TV can hold a conversation with them about it.

>> No.14295188

>>14295179
>Video games are very anti-social
Want to know how I know you're a woman?

>> No.14295193

>>14295179
>Guys who play them don't develop social skills
You're either a boomer or a woman. Every guy I've ever met under the age of 30 plays video games everyday. And I'm not just talking people I chose to hang out with, I mean every guy I've ever met at my various jobs, in college classes, from high school, etc.

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14295199

>Look up Gary Wilson
>It's some meme TedX motivational speaker with a bunch of self help books

Is this the best you've got?

>> No.14295203

>>14294639
So its probably true? Thx

>> No.14295210

>>14295193
>Every guy I've ever met under the age of 30 plays video games everyday.

And these are the same sad sacks doing NNN and other bullshit.

>> No.14295216

>>14295210
I don't think you interact with men very much.

>> No.14295219

>>14294584
>people have been jerking off since the dawn of time.
Source. Source. How about a source? I'm gonna need a fuckin g soooooouuuurce ob that kiddo.

>> No.14295222

>>14295199
There is nothing wrong with TEDx coombrain

>>14295210
All the guys I know who did no fap november were well rounded and rational men trying to get their life in order and raise a family

>> No.14295223

>>14295210
What the fuck does that even mean? Every guy under the age of 30 is not doing no nut november, most people know what it is but it's like a Twitter meme. Everyone plays video games, you're either old or you have a vagina or both. In fact, I'd be willing to be I know more guys my age into video games than sports.

>> No.14295237

>>14295219
The Sumerians myth for how the Tigris and Euphrates were created was literally a God jacking off so much he created the rivers

>> No.14295244
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>>14294697
Source for the dancing puppets? They look like frens

>> No.14295248

>>14294697
>not a single source

>> No.14295257

Why is JAV so superior to Western porn

>> No.14295261

>>14295248
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lansky

>> No.14295266

>>14295210
At this point vidya is a normie activity.

All the young Chads do is party, play vidya and play sports. Young people that don't play vidya are usually either women, ultra-religious or zoomer neo-Nazis.

>> No.14295269

>>14295222
>There is nothing wrong with TEDx
you serious?
I'm not even arguing for or against porn here, but TEDx is the pseud soapbox to end all pseud soapboxes.
Self-help gurus are the worst kind of cancer

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>>14295244
I'm not sure of the exact source but I have another one. As far as I know there's only two of them.

>> No.14295276

>>14295261
I don't think those are the claims he's questioning.

>> No.14295278

>>14294584
people have been jacking off for god knows how long, just not to easily accessible degenerate shit like furry and vore

>> No.14295289

>>14294697
>same type of high drug addicts have
Lololol

>> No.14295290

>>14295261
>MindGeek
>lists 4 founders, 1 arab, one german, one greek, one English
>Greg Lansky, Ethically Algerian and Eastern European

Your own sources prove you wrong and that was just one small part of the webm

>> No.14295294

>>14294607
He's likelier to be Asian. The OP book / topic was already made into a movie called Videodrome back in the 80s and that movie was written and directed by David Cronenberg who's Jewish.

>> No.14295302

>>14295273
Ok the right can meme

>> No.14295304

>>14294584
putting porn and masturbation as the same thing is wrong
porn can shift how some people see others and how they expect intimite encounters to go
masturbation in of itself is fine

>> No.14295307

>>14295289
He's right.

The same mechanism that makes weed addictive is what makes porn addictive. Long term use completely fries your brain's dopamine receptors.

Why do you think nofap is so hard for so many people?

>> No.14295315

>>14295307
Because habits are extremely hard to break at first, please provide a source that shows dopamine receptors losing sensitivity from porn use

>> No.14295316

>>14295307
You can say the same about any kind of addiction though. Being unable to resist coming to 4chan and checking your (You)s is an addiction

>> No.14295321

>>14295199
>Not checking out the og coomer Gary Wilson
https://youtu.be/BAXHuQgozDg

>> No.14295322

>>14295289
Opioids and cooming act the exact same way in the brain.

>> No.14295329

>>14295322
>>14295307
Source? Not saying you are wrong I just want to read on it

>> No.14295331

>>14295244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyYHWkVWQ4o

>> No.14295332

>>14295304
Masturbation alone can also be bad.

It's not good for your penis to get used to jacking off everyday. Like I don't really bother with porn but I was death-grip wanking everyday from age 7-21 and now sex doesn't even feel that good.

>> No.14295337

>>14294722
>>14295222
lol this board is so wilfully stupid

>> No.14295339

>>14295329
The book OP posted you brainlet Coomlord

>> No.14295343

>>14295290
Tassillo and Antoon are both Jewish anon. The Goldman Sachs bankers that funded the company's expansion into the porn industry are also Jewish.

>> No.14295347

>>14295315
>>14295316
>>14295329
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4600144/

>Being unable to resist coming to 4chan and checking your (You)s is an addiction
Correct. Anybody that's anti-porn but doesn't see anything wrong with spending 10 hours a day on 4chan everyday of their life is an idiot.

>> No.14295348

>>14295343
And? Are you implying being genetically jewish means you are part of some hivemind to trick people into masturbating? Thats not how genetics work

>> No.14295352

>>14294773
Does common knowledge even exist anymore?

>> No.14295356

i quit fapping and porn. because i legit can't cum during sex. i feel nothing from blowjobs and my gf literally lets me go in raw and i still can't cum.
been on nofap for 45 days. hoping i can fix myself soon
my gf is getting sick of me pounding away

>> No.14295359

>>14295347
Its good to be addicted to some things like reading or brain exercises like philosophical arguments on 4chan

>> No.14295360

>>14294575
There is already plenty of porn with themes similar to this. I've seen videos that are 'abused girl fucked by her therapist' and so on. It seems like the majority of porn scenarios are more or less rape. I feel generally really angry that I was allowed to be poisoned with this shit from such a young age. Who's going to take responsibility for that? Who's going to take responsibility for exposing children to this shit? Nobody, because we're all too busy writing our yuppie articles about how porn is feminist and positive now. It makes me sick.

>> No.14295363

>>14295348
What the fuck are you talking about? Why does pointing this out force you to start strawmanning and making things up? I don't think anybody in this thread has mentioned a single thing about "hiveminds" or "genetics" except you. You should avoid logical fallacies in the future it makes you look very stupid.

>> No.14295364

>>14295356
your gf shouldn't have any say in this

>> No.14295367

>>14295331
The first 3 minutes sold me on the entire movie already. Thanks fren

>> No.14295369

>>14295348
It's not a "hivemind", it's ethnic/class solidarity. Something literally everybody but white people do.

>> No.14295371

>>14295364
>Just break up with your gf and watch porn
This is getting pathetic

>> No.14295373

>>14295364
>ignore your girlfriend and COOOMMM

>> No.14295387

>>14295373
Kek

>> No.14295389

>>14295364
she doesn't. but i legit dont feel shit from sex. kissing barely makes me feel good

>> No.14295393
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“Capitalism is not wicked or cruel when the commodity is the whore; profit is not wicked or cruel when the alienated worker is a female piece of meat; corporate bloodsucking is not wicked or cruel when the corporations in question, sell cunt; racism is not wicked or cruel when the black cunt or yellow cunt or red cunt or Hispanic cunt or Jewish cunt has her legs splayed for any man's pleasure; poverty is not wicked or cruel when it is the poverty of dispossessed women who have only themselves to sell; violence by the powerful against the powerless is not wicked or cruel when it is called sex; slavery is not wicked or cruel when it is sexual slavery; torture is not wicked or cruel when the tormented are women, whores, cunts. The new pornography is left-wing; and the new pornography is a vast graveyard where the Left has gone to die. The Left cannot have its whores and its politics too.”

>> No.14295398

>>14294697
And being sickly addicted to masturbation is the most Christian thing ever. Christians are the most depraved hedonists in the world, which is why they make a principle out of denying the pleasures of the body and blame who they identify as their oppressors (the Jews) for their own bodies' urges.

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>>14295398
Wonder who's behind this post.

>> No.14295404

The mental effects claimed to he caused by porn use could easily have come from other aspects of modern life. Testosterone and sperm levels continue to drop, and porn has had very little effect on that.

>> No.14295407
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14295407

Daily reminder the Blacked.com is owned by the arch-pornkike Greg Lansky.

Daily reminder that the largest porn sites like Brazzers and Pornhub are all owned by Mindgeek, which is staffed at the C-level by Jews like Feras Antoon and David Marmorstein Tassillo, as well as owned by Jewish bankers from Goldman Sachs and Fortress Investment Group.

>> No.14295411

>>14295403
>The only people smart enough not to give money to some drug addict just because he came up with a competition to goad people to give more money

>> No.14295419

>>14295407
>His father is Jewish, from a family from Algeria, and his mother is Christian.
He's only Jewish by religion not ethnicity and not even by the maternal side

>> No.14295420

>>14295332
because that's almost addiction, iirc about 2 times a week is recommended

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14295424

>this thread
Read theory

>> No.14295426

>>14295403
Thanks for proving my point, you depraved retard. Go back to crying in a corner and flagellating yourself with a belt because you can't stop touching your 4 inch prick.

>> No.14295429

>>14295419
He's ethnically half-Jewish and religiously Jewish. Just a coincidence.

>> No.14295430

>>14295411
That guy is far too clean and chubby to be a real street drug addict. Crackheads are always rake thin, have visible diseases and look about 20 years older than they actually are.

He's obviously a grifter, what kind of homeless guy has a shitload of plastic bowls on hand?

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>>14295426

>> No.14295437

>>14295407
>>14295419
>>14295426
>some kike somewhere is so butthurt that he's grasping at straws this hard

>> No.14295445

>>14295434
>losing the war

>> No.14295446

>>14295434
>Oh shit, he's on to us, better call him a Jew to discredit him
Christians are without a doubt the biggest hypocrites on earth.

>> No.14295447

>>14295403
>well I can't let my religion seem cheap, I just HAVE to give him money!
Do people actually fall for that shit

>> No.14295449

>>14295347
>Neuroscience

>> No.14295451

>>14295445
>if the guy who's right is killed by the guy who's wrong then everyone else has to ignore the truth

>> No.14295456

>>14295359
>philosophical arguments on 4chan

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>>14295429
Race is just a social construct. Sicilians aren't out to get you just because a few of them got rich and started some businesses

>> No.14295458

>>14295446
New York?

>> No.14295459

>>14295451
>we should sympathize with losers
have you even looked into greater nazi thinking?

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>>14295459
In the past 70 years the last Nazi scientists have been working around the clock on this and our conclusion is that Slavs actually are Aryan and communism is based.

NazBol is now the official religion of the 4th Reich.

>> No.14295470

>>14295457
I didn't mention genetics anywhere, that's what you brought up when you started talking about how being only half Jewish somehow invalidates the fact that he's a self-identified Jew. I'm concerned with the fact that he's a self-identified Jew and the impact this has on his decisions to exploit white gentiles in order to self an addictive product to other white gentiles.

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>>14295359
>brain exercises like philosophical arguments on 4chan
this ones going on the fridge

>> No.14295480

>>14295468
a true nazbol would be duginposting not goebbelsposting retard

>> No.14295482

>>14295470
It's genetics that /pol/ is obsessed over, not the actual religion. You are such a terrible stormfag

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>>14295480
Dugin is not NazBol. He is a Putinista infiltrator that rightly got booted from the party.

>> No.14295493

>>14295482
why are there so many stormfags on this site I thought the election ended 3 years ago

>> No.14295496

>>14295482
>YOU WONT FALL INTO MY TRAPS YOU'RE A TERRIBLE STORMFAG FOR POINTING OUT IM WRONG
Thanks, I'll chalk this up as your concession

>> No.14295506

>>14295493
4chan is literally the Neo-Nazi hub of the internet. Cripplechan is kill, Stormfront is kill, every other social media site has been waging an absolute stormfag holocaust. They're all here.

>> No.14295519

>>14295506
why haven't we purged them?:

>> No.14295530

>>14294560
>since everyone watches porn
I haven't watched porn in years.

>>14294584
Porn being bad is a confirmed fact, you retard.

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>>14295519
Because this is our site. Hiroyuki's in charge now and he knows what's up.

Don't like it? Go to reddit.

>> No.14295548

>cumbrains actually think that porn is good for you

>> No.14295555

>>14295548
The best argument in favor of nofap is how much it enrages cumbrains

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14295571

>>14295555
based and checked

>> No.14295579

>>14295555
quads of truth

>> No.14295583

>>14295555
Nofap is only supported by cumbrains because it's only them who need such a principle to get by in life.

>> No.14295591

How to de-porn my brain and consequently my pornified view of sex with women? Is it as simple as ceasing my porn viewing

>> No.14295596

>>14295591
>Is it as simple as ceasing my porn viewing
yes

>> No.14295601

>>14295591
Stop watching porn
Acquire gf

>> No.14295602

>>14295548
Negative effects mainly just include addiction and effecting the reward system. It really isn't as bad as chastityfags make it out to be. There are numerous examples of activities that effect those things in the contemporary world

>> No.14295608

>>14294560
The idea that the degeneracy of porn does anything bad is nonsense. I've seen all sorts of weirdos flee from vanilla relationships not because they were above it all, but because they were just downright scared. If there's any threat of porn conditioning people, it's that it conditions you to get off without being stared back at. Coomers aren't sex monkeys, they're just regular permavirgns.

>what will be the societal effects.
>[speculation only includes more porn]

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The furnace of Babylon burns ever brighter

>> No.14295615

>>14295530
>>14295548
Porn is literally just recorded footage involving some degree of nudity of one or more people doing something sexual. It's only objectively good or bad in terms of whether it's high quality and effective at stimulating the viewer, but as far as mental health goes, that depends entirely on what you make of it. It's just flesh, after all.

>> No.14295618

>>14295555
Eh, quads of truth. Can't really beat that

>> No.14295621
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>>14295615
>Reductionism

>> No.14295622

>>14295398
Seconding this, though I would generalize it to a Christian proclivity for indulgence. Be it in music, romanticism, whatever, even enjoying a refined meal. It's either American porno-tier overindulgent food (America, desire what navy would believe, is and always will be quintessentially Christian) or German puritan punishment means, denying any modicum of pleasure while nourishing yourself. At some point is obvious that all the puritan stiffness and tabooness regarding pleasure of any kind is precisely due to Christian inability to resist its seductive draw.

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>>14295613
>In the next scene Lot literally impregnates his daughters
Coom is sacred

>> No.14295629

>>14295615
>as far as mental health goes, that depends entirely on what you make of it
that's the problem
most people let it change their world views as they keep watching it, and most porn isn't high-quality so it fucks them up

>> No.14295631

>>14295601
>acquire gf
No

>> No.14295633

>>14295621
Perspectivism, you mean. Porn is nothing but entertainment for some people, they can binge watch it for one afternoon and jerk off a few times and then not think about it again for months.

>> No.14295635

>>14295548
Its enjoyable yes. Am I supposed to abstain from one of lifes most enjoyable pleasures just because some nofappers told me I am wrong for enjoying it?

>> No.14295648

>>14295635
>Am I supposed to abstain from one of lifes most enjoyable pleasures
this thread is abour porn, not Allah, anon

>> No.14295656

>>14295635
If porn is one of the highest pleasures in your life that's fucking sad.

>> No.14295658

>>14295615
That is the shittiest definition of porn I have ever seen. By your logic pictures of women in swimsuits is pornography.

>> No.14295662

>>14295624
>Lev. 18:6-17

>> No.14295664

>>14295633
>for some people
Yes, like the legendary heroin users that just tried it once.

>> No.14295666

>>14295656
Why? Because you got spooked into thinking its bad by some TEDx speaker?

>> No.14295670

>>14295666
No because there are other things worth enjoying in life

>> No.14295671
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>>14295601
>Acquire gf
I can't I'm ugly and NEET virgin
how now, nofapfags?

>> No.14295672

>>14295670
Why can't I do both

>> No.14295678

>>14295672
I didn't say you can, I said it shouldn't be something you think is one of the best parts of life

>> No.14295682

>>14295658
Why not? If I can coom to it, it may as well be. The vagueness of what porn actually is is probably the biggest issue with blaming it for anything. Not a paragraph goes by before the OP has to mention extremeness, and in the paragraph after we're already narrowing our focus to "fetish porn." There's never really been an assault on porn, just on "porn I don't like." I mean what if I jack it to my Christmas tree? Are these now degenerate objects?

>> No.14295683

>>14295658
Not that anon, but what really is the difference? Both of them have titillation their primary purpose. They engage the same neural processes and encourage the same neurochemical response. The difference is not even of degree but only a societal consensus on what can be censored. It's OK to show the body nearly naked to 13 year olds but bare breasts are not allowed until you're 18.

>> No.14295684

>>14295666
If anything it's TED talk morons who would try and trick you into thinking porn is ok. They're most likely being bankrolled by the same rape-industrial complex money that helps you jerk your little penis off.

>> No.14295686

>>14295678
Its love of women, one of the most beautiful things in the universe and have been the central theme to countless works of literature, art, music

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>>14295682
>The coomer then tries to convince you that porn doesn't even really exist but you should jerk off to it anyway

>> No.14295691

>>14295666
Because it's pure consumerist waste. If you'd rate watching a video alone in your room and rubbing your dick as one of the finest things in life then what kind of life are you living?

Not that it's necessarily bad (it is but that's another argument). But it's like living for the next order of McDonalds or the next bag of weed, it's shit like this that people in more primitive times would call the Devil's voice. Speaking of which
>666 get
God sure is a joker.

>> No.14295695

>>14295671
Have you never seen a girl with an ugly bf before?

>> No.14295698

>Porn is the love of women
You have a mental illness. Porn is the rape and murder of women. Please seek help. I don't hate you, I feel sorry for you.

>> No.14295699
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14295699

Coomer philosophers > NoFap philosophers

Hegel used to jerk off twice a day, once to get rid of his morning wood and then again at night after a glass of wine

>> No.14295700

>>14295658
>pictures of women in swimsuits
Is there some degree of nudity like nipples showing through and are they doing something sexual? Then how is it not porn?

>> No.14295705

>>14295686
It's not a love of women, if you loved women then you'd have a woman to love.

It's an idol. Just like how love of an icon isn't truly love of god, in fact it's the opposite. Learn to live in the real, anon.

>> No.14295706

>>14295690
I'm >>14295608, not the anon you replied to

>> No.14295707

>>14295664
Porn isn't injected into the veins. It's extremely sad that you think it's addictive to the body at the same level as heroin is.

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>>14295699
>Hegel
Wtf I hate masturbation now

>> No.14295714

>>14295698
>still not a single source to back up claims aside from a motivational speaker

>> No.14295718

>>14295686
love =/= fapping daily

>> No.14295721

>>14295699
Joyce was also an avid masturbater. Who do chasteanons even have?

>> No.14295726

>>14295707
It doesn't devalue the fact that it is still a relatively devastating addiction. It destroys the mind and destroys relationships.

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>>14295691
>If you'd rate watching a video alone in your room and rubbing your dick as one of the finest things in life then what kind of life are you living?
Well that'd depend on the quantity of mental states ones experienced. Surely if a well versed individual were to make such a claim it'd be problematic for your case now wouldn't it? You seem to just have a problem with the neurophysiology of man now.

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>>14295699
>Hegel was a coomer
>Nietzche was nofap
Choose one, /lit/.
Modernist spiritual death?
Or Hyperborean spiritual ascension?

>> No.14295729

>>14295721
Testosterone

>> No.14295730
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>All this resentment over the fact that some people like to spank their meat

>> No.14295731

>>14295726
Any addiction can be devastating if you let it be, I don't see your point. And all addiction is a symptom of a personal problem, not a problem with the object of the addiction.

>> No.14295732

>>14295721
>Who do chasteanons even have?
God
>Everyone is tempted, carried away and seduced by his own lust
>But lust, having conceived, gives birth to sin, and sin gives birth to death
>Blessed is the man who endures temptation because, having been tested, he will receive the crown of life that the Lord promised to those who love Him

>> No.14295737

>>14295730
I don't resent people who are coomers, I resent the people who poisoned them.

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>>14295727
>If a well-versed person enjoyed cutting his dick off, that would make it good

>> No.14295740

>>14295732
Oh Bullshit God probably has a billion penises that he jerks off at all times

>>14295728
Nietzsche was a frequent visitor of brothels

>> No.14295742

>>14295707
Right, it's injected directly into your brain.

I didn't say it's as addictive as heroin. I said I find the idea that any such person as you described exists as incredible as the idea of someone actually just trying heroin once because fundamentally even for low-level psychological addictions that's just not how it works.

>> No.14295744

It just warps how sex is with real people, I doubt many girls like facefucking till they puke and shit like that, encountered like one girl into anal

>> No.14295746

>>14295737
See
>>14294660

>> No.14295748

>>14295700
>>14295682
>>14295683
>anything even remotely sexual is porn
You people are a lost cause. Porn has actually rotted your brains.

>> No.14295749

>>14295740
>Oh Bullshit God probably has a billion penises that he jerks off at all times
I mean if you're in the "god is all of us" camp, that's correct

>> No.14295751

>>14295738
It'd surely raise questions for you if a community of scholars and adventurers were to make such claims, wouldn't it?

>> No.14295752

>>14295730
It's just Christians being huge faggots as usual. They think atheists are all immoral perverts when they're the ones who ask the question, "If there's no God, what's stopping me from killing and raping people?" Same retarded backwards thinking bullshit when it comes to sex: "If I keep jerking off to porn and can't stop, why are we letting the Jews who make it still live?"

>> No.14295753

>>14295714
Firstly, there are ample books about this subject, try Pornland by Gail Dines, for one. Secondly, if you need to read a book to work out that porn is a sick industry built on the rape of women then you're probably lacking some kind of critical thinking mechanism in your brain. Hell, I don't even give a shit if you want to ruin your life with porn or not, but not being able to notice how revolting the whole practice is is a mental illness.

>> No.14295756

>>14295746
I didn't say Jews did I?

>> No.14295759

>>14295748
>Christmas tree
>remotely sexual
I think you might be a coomer

>> No.14295760

>>14295727
There's plenty of "well versed" people that are literal cucks.

Would you let a nigger fuck your gf and watch just because some faggot nerd said it was intellectually stimulating or some shit?

>> No.14295764

>>14295730
This thread was started to discuss the psychological effects of masturbation. Then the cumbrain >>14294584 came in and called people who don't like porn brainlets. Who's really doing the resenting here? This thread went off topic because coomers can't tolerate people discussing the negative effects of porn.

>> No.14295766

>>14295742
>it's injected directly into your brain.
That's not how it works. You need to be mentally sensitive to it in the first place.

>> No.14295770

>>14295730
Nietzsche literally invented nofap.

>> No.14295771

>>14295748
Well, it has to be recorded footage too.

>> No.14295776

>>14295740
I said he was nofap, not nocum.

>> No.14295777

>>14294584
>If there were ill-effects we would have already fucking seen them on a mass scale
>Implying the pathological effects on psyche and physical brain aren't well-documented
Lel
>>14295398
>Christians are the most depraved hedonists in the world, which is why they make a principle out of denying the pleasures of the body and blame who they identify as their oppressors (the Jews) for their own bodies' urges.
Denying the pleasures makes them the opposite of a hedonist you unbelievable retard. Obviously Jewish porn excites the body. FYI the porn industry in America since it began has been disproportionately Jewish. According to Dr. Nathan Abrams of Aberdeen in UK, a Jew who studies American history, Jewish involvement in the porn industry always has been motivated by an "atavistic hatred" of Christianity. This Jew published his statement about Jews in a Jewish publication. It isn't a conspiracy. You ought to be deloused either for your own mental deficiency or deceitful nature.
>>14295407
Based
>>14295482
>It's genetics that /pol/ is obsessed over, not the actual religion.
They're obsessed over ethnic culture and its influence on behavior. I can clearly see that you are braindead, but I hope that pointing this out to you will make you slightly less inclined toward public displays of idiocy

>> No.14295779

>>14295751
No, and I think it's a sign of your stupidity that you would consider cutting your dick off if scholars and adventurers told you it's beneficial to do so.

>> No.14295783

>>14295766
It's audiovisual stimuli. Where would it go if not the brain?

>> No.14295785

>>14295759
>be mentally ill
>have foot fetish
>apparently feet are porn now
Retard.

>> No.14295786

>>14295760
If I was intrigued

>>14295779
Your just clinging to a priori moral axioms

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>>14295777
Based holy trips of truth

>> No.14295792

>200 posts
>48 unique IPs
You guys just replaced one addiction for another.

>> No.14295794

>>14295792
Talking to people is fun.

>> No.14295795

>>14295777
>Denying the pleasures makes them the opposite of a hedonist you unbelievable retard.
That's what dumbass Christians think, at least. The logic is wrong though. They have to deny them in the first place only because they're hedonists. Pleasure is first and foremost their chief priority in life, and because of that, they have to set rules limiting themselves. Without those rules, they would consume and destroy everything around them, because pleasure is all they care about. It's only when they invent the image of an almighty God waving a finger at their behavior like a noble father figure do they suddenly stand upright and not be so repugnant.

>> No.14295798

>>14295785
>if everyone just jacked off to feet, it would be OK because it's not porn

>> No.14295805

>>14295792
>Assuming it's the anti-porn posters who are samefagging
Cope

>> No.14295808

>>14295798
Its not though. Its the act of sex that is the bad part of porn. Looking at feet pictures is not part of the study Gary Wilson was doing

>> No.14295810

>>14295783
It's not "injected directly" into it like heroin is, dude. Fuck's sake. Do you not have a single thought of your own? Can you not look at porn without drooling and popping one like a horny retarded ape?

>> No.14295811

>>14295792
Honestly 4chan is probably the only addiction I have that actually has any notable benefits.

>> No.14295816

>>14295808
>I'm not a coomer, I only coom to feet

>> No.14295821

>>14295805
>still 48 after you posted this

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>>14295810
My friend, you do realize that I was being metaphorical and I don't actually believe porn is literally a chemical that you inject into your brain with a hypodermic needle?

>> No.14295826

>>14295816
We have Gary Wilson on our side. Who are you going to cite to say feet is bad?

>> No.14295833

>>14295825
Your metaphor was dogshit.

>> No.14295834

>>14295816
>everything is porn, but also nothing is porn

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>>14295811
>this post
>this sentiment
Jesus christ.

>> No.14295839

>>14295833
That's okay

>> No.14295841

It's important to realize that pleasure != good. Fucking Socrates established it 2500 years ago.

>> No.14295842

>>14295839
Nah, it means you have no argument or point worth making. Fuck off you massive retard.

>> No.14295845

>>14295838
On 4chan you occasionally learn things and have a hearty giggle.

Tobacco on the other hand is just shaving time off my life and burning my wallet.

>> No.14295853

>>14295841
Socrates was an ugly mofo who resented Hellenic culture. That said, pleasure is obviously not the be-all end-all.

>> No.14295855

>>14295842
I was making an argument. You just stopped engaging with it to attack the literary quality of my metaphor.

>> No.14295859

>>14295841
Well Diogenes would jerk off in the streets and was much more based than Socrates

>> No.14295865

>>14295859
Diogenes also wasn't a hedonist.

Hence why he was a hobo that lived in a jug.

>> No.14295868

>>14295834
"Porn" is a category things hold only within the vision of others. What is porn to one person might not be to another. "Coomer" is something people actually are though.

Suppose a naked child runs past. Perhaps they're even mimicking a magazine they've seen. Are you viewing child pornography? Or, do you see yourself as viewing a child doing childish things? To ascribe ontological weight to the category of "porn" in the first place is what makes a coomer a coomer. It's the inherent flaw of these conversations. Avoiding porn while still believing on it only makes you a repressed coomer, just as being a virgin doesn't keep you from being a fag.

>> No.14295874

Femoids are really getting desperate

>> No.14295875

>>14295855
What argument? You tried denying that the effects of porn is a matter of perspective by relating its viewership to taking heroin, which is fucking stupid on all levels and false. You have no argument. Eat shit.

Learn from the Japanese. Half of their porn is just comic relief. They have no problem consulting nude flesh in all its glory and also the sheer goofiness of glorifying it, because they are a far more humane people than Christians are.

>> No.14295879

Can't we all just agree that porn is bad but that feet vids don't count.

>> No.14295882

>>14295868
People have been coomers since Adam and Eve. Why would they cover if it's just naked body lmao, just don't think about sex, you aren't coomer, right? They were ashamed as fuck, coomer lives in us all

>> No.14295883

God I can't wait for sexbots

>> No.14295886

>>14295868
>believing on
believe in*
and by believing-in I mean believing in it as something that is unsubjective. You can still say "X has a porn addiction" without being a realist about porn.

>> No.14295889

>>14295875
This. Japan doesn't have a porn addiction problem like the west because their videos are much more endearing and less serious about it

>> No.14295892

>>14295882
I don't really disagree, but it shouldn't be conceived of as just a boolean condition

>> No.14295897

i'm in a very loving long term relationship and can interact normally with women and also masturbate to softcore porn <5 times a week
i think regular man+woman porn is bad in habituation but find myself watching it on occasion
am i a coomer?

>> No.14295899

>>14295875
>Learn from the Japanese. Half of their porn is just comic relief. They have no problem consulting nude flesh in all its glory and also the sheer goofiness of glorifying it, because they are a far more humane people than Christians are.
But that is shameful. Clothing is a monument of the fall. We are defiled by sin.

>> No.14295906

>>14295899
You're mentally ill, but not because of porn, clearly. Abandon your bullshit religion and go become a Buddhist, you'll thank me for it.

>> No.14295907

>>14295875
Allow me to quote myself
>I didn't say it's as addictive as heroin. I said I find the idea that any such person as you described exists as incredible as the idea of someone actually just trying heroin once because fundamentally even for low-level psychological addictions that's just not how it works.

This was my argument. You said "Porn is nothing but entertainment for some people, they can binge watch it for one afternoon and jerk off a few times and then not think about it again for months.". I'm unconvinced this is true, I do not believe there's a significant amount of people that binge watch porn every once in a while then never even think of it again for months. Porn, by nature, is addictive and if you're at the point where you'll binge watch it and have a massive wanking session it makes no sense that it would be having no psychological effects.

>Learn from the Japanese
Yes the people who are going extinct because all their young men do is watch hentai and shitpost on 2chan.

>> No.14295908

>>14295875
does this include hentai?

>> No.14295911

>>14295883
Based
Women and people like OP will desperately try to ruin them but we will eventually be free brother.

>> No.14295914

>>14294584
I bet you are Jewish...

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>>14295906
>Buddhism
Buddhism is even worse than Christianity. It's possibly the most nihilistic, slavish religion ever invented.

>> No.14295916

>>14294584
>Porn and masturbation are perfectly fine and healthy
>If there were ill-effects we would have already fucking seen them on a mass scale since people have been jerking off since the dawn of time.
I think its funny how you jumped from porn to jerking off, and argued for the latter as if it were support for the former. Internet pornograpgy is new and totally unprecedented. Claiming its healthy based on thousands of years before internet is retarded.

>> No.14295918

>>14295907
>Yes the people who are going extinct because all their young men do is watch hentai and shitpost on 2chan.
You have no evidence that this is the reason why they have low fertility rates, but regardless, they are still proof for what I'm saying and they still sometimes take a more humane approach to nudity and sex than Christians almost ever do.

>> No.14295928

>>14295915
Why did you post a picture of Nietzsche? He regarded Buddhism as superior to Christianity. Anyway, you're an idiot, I recommended Buddhism because it's the next step towards getting rid of the Christian stench still lingering in our civilization.

>> No.14295933

>>14295915
How so? Everything bad comes from desires. If one has nothing to desire, one is happy.

>> No.14295939

>>14295906
I am afflicted with the corruption and disease of sin, tending toward the abyss and the eternal death of my soul, and you tell me to cast away the truth and medicine that will instead provide eternal life, as though patting me on the back saying "Everything's fine, you're fine" to me? Then you are an agent of the devil and an enemy of the human race.

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>>14295918
Christians are retards, what they think is irrelevant. The world is not a binary of being fundamentalist Christian or literally being Japanese, that's absurd.

The only people on Earth that I would say actually have their heads screwed on about sex are Muslims. They love having sex, they'll have 5 wives and 10 kids. But if women go out dressed like whores and men start bumming each other then it's stoning time.

>> No.14295948

>>14295939
Ahab, go away.

>> No.14295952

>>14295933
If one has no desire one is dead.

>> No.14295963

>>14295928
Because Nietzsche criticised Buddhism on the grounds of how nihilistic it is. It's not really an achievement to say he liked it more than Christianity when he liked literally every religion ever devised more than Christianity.

>> No.14295973

>>14295939
To sin simply means to miss the mark. The original sin simply meant that as we develop through childhood we lose our connection to our divine selves; it's the initial moment in our consciousness where we start to formulate thoughts and stop being absolute sensual bodies without cores or internal distinctions / conflicts. This is the Buddhist interpretation of sin, and the Buddhist-prescribed remedy starts by first teaching one to realize how the ego is the source of all desiring, which is the source of all pain, and then learning meditation and practicing ego death in order to return back to our original state of nature, prior to original sin.

Check out the Zen Buddhists, seriously. They are way more in tune with nature than the priests here.

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14295978

A very autistic thread indeed.

>> No.14295982

Kek why do coomers only think christians think their retarded ways are... retarded when they get criticized

>> No.14295988

>>14295952
Being in tune with the Universe is not death.

>> No.14295999

>>14295988
Right, death is better since a gun can instantly get you the peace that would otherwise take a lifetime of contemplation.

>> No.14296001

>>14295875
>Half of their porn is just comic relief.
>Haha whooops! I got hit by a kamehameha except instead of being ground into hamburger it just burnt all my clothes off! That's just funny and cooming totally isn't the selling point! It's just super hilarious! Baka!

But in all seriousness, I have been thinking about this. It just dawned on me how similar weeaboos were in highschool to wiggers. And I'm talking far-gone, sound-effects-while-talking, bad-voice-escalation, "just dub my shit up" sounding weaboos. Both they and wannabe black people are just copying a mode of speech/culture they like. So, is japan in turn just copying a sexual mode of speech/culture? They certainly don't reproduce a lot. Are they sexaboos?

>> No.14296002

>>14295989
I don't think you've seen any comic Japanese porn.

>> No.14296012

>>14296002
Meant for >>14296001

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>>14295999
Okay, nihilism is irrefutable. I need to read more. I bow before your digits.

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>> No.14296033

porn in moderate amounts is actually good for you
refute me faggots

>> No.14296040

>>14296033
Relaxation in moderation is definitely good for you. If porn relaxes you, then this applies

>> No.14296042

>>14296002
No I read hentai on the reg but the idea that it has great plots isn't something I believe at all. It can if you look, but this isn't the norm.

>> No.14296054

>>14295699
>Hegel used to jerk off twice a day, once to get rid of his morning wood and then again at night after a glass of wine
Poor Schelling
Imagine waking up every day to Hegel clutching his absolute right next to you.
Imagine the smell

>> No.14296055

>>14296042
I think hentai is a pretty distinct subculture from their live action porn. I'm only considering their live action porn.

>> No.14296057

>>14295973
I grant you the purity of children.
>Whoever seduces one of these little ones who believe in me, it would be better if they would hang a millstone on his neck and throw him into the sea
But what is your answer to why there is a tendency for this loss of connection. The impurity we perceive is not the result of the arising of distinctions. The root of the problem is moral, not metaphysical, although there are metaphysical symptoms.Our pain is penance. The idea that man can save himself is pride.

>>14295988
It's a mistake to take the universe for granted. It's important to realize the fall was on a cosmic scale. I think it's a mistake to tune into something that is corrupted.

>> No.14296062

>>14296033
The burden of proof is on you, coomtard

>> No.14296063

>>14296055
Oh, I interpreted the word "comic" more literally than you'd intended

>> No.14296065

>>14296062
keep denying the truth faggot

>> No.14296067

>>14296065
Not an argument

>> No.14296092

>>14296065
I don't give a shit whether or not anyone wants to destroy their soul with horrible pornography, be my guest. The fact that you all go spastic when people talk about the potential harms of porn shows how rotted your brains are.

>> No.14296094

>>14296057
You're just re-evaluating what I said back into your own Christian mindset. The Buddhist interpretation of sin has nothing to do with morality. Original sin is the moment that we go from being core-less, all-sensual infants that do not perceive contradictions or distinctions between themselves and anything else to self-conscious beings that now make distinctions between the self and the world and everything in between. It's not a moral or immoral process.

>> No.14296096

Its been a fun thread but it's about time I head over to >>>/s/ for a cheeky fap before bed

>> No.14296100

>>14296092
>wants to destroy their soul with horrible pornography
hahahahah is this what christcucks actually believe?

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>>14296096
>The coomer makes one last ditch attempt to tempt based chaste anons into fapping before he leaves the thread defeated
Very cringe and transparent

>> No.14296104

>>14296100
Yes. Their problems are so deep that there's basically no chance for any of them, unless they take it upon themselves to study foreign religions and philosophies for a decade minimum.

>> No.14296106

>>14296100
>Actually typing out "hahahahah"
Cope

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>>14296104
>Christians need to study foreign religions for 10 years before they speak to people who are addicted to porn and probably haven't even read 10 books on religion

>> No.14296120

>>14296100
I'm not even a Christian at this point really, nor am I really talking about the Christian soul. I just can't help but feel that watching women be trafficked and raped on film while I sit idle like a robot and masturbate myself, (for what? for a moment's pleasure?) is a sick and horrible illness. It's only worse that we've been sucked into doing this since we were children, before we ever had a chance to think about it. I don't care, coom yourself into a fucking coma for all I care, but I don't want anything to do with pornography anymore. You're only proving my point that you cumheads go spastic every time someone wants to take away your precious rape on tape.

>> No.14296121

>>14296115
before they realize how the source of their problems comes from within.*

>> No.14296131

>>14296120
Based and redpilled

>> No.14296133

Can we just make it clear that its just pornography that is bad and masturbating using nothing but your imagination is fine

>> No.14296148

>>14296133
>using nothing but your imagination is fine
that's boring as fuck, I tried it and it just doesn't work

>> No.14296152

>>14296094
First, you haven't answered why original sin exists/occurs. And that's before getting into the the problem of a Buddhist ethic and their monist doctrine.

>>14296133
An entirely unacceptable proposition.
>That which is unacceptable in reality should not be acceptable in fantasy. -- Tertullian

>> No.14296161

>>14296148
That's because you're an imaginationlet from years of letting porn do all the work for you.

>> No.14296162

>>14296120
that's what you actually choose to believe anon, there's plenty of women banging on tape because they're sex addicts and it gives them some form of gratification

>> No.14296164

>>14296162
That is also sad as fuck. Is there anyone in this industry that isn't completely dead inside?

>> No.14296166

>>14296120
So your argument is that women are being trafficked? Then watch solo video they have uploaded themselves

>> No.14296168

>>14296164
James Deen, Ron Jeremy

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>>14296164
Sasha seems pretty chill. Check out her twitch channel

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>>14296170
>He actually watches twitchthots

>> No.14296174

>>14296164
Is there anyone in any industry that isn't completely dead inside? The porn industry is exploitative but so is any other company

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>>14294560
>Especially the point he made about porn tastes becoming more extreme to be stimulating.
I found the opposite. Porn made it so I couldn't even be around women IRL without uncontrollable erections. Gary Wilson is a pseud. Random poster's on /lit/ have better arguments against it than he does.

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>>14296172
Why shouldn't I, its nice having some background noise while arguing other the ethics of pornography on /lit/

>> No.14296179

>>14296152
>why original sin exists/occurs
We live in a society. That's unironically the answer, but to extrapolate a bit, consider reading Schiller's aesthetic letters. Near the beginning, he talks about this concept, though without referring to it as original sin. In his view, it occurs because civilization is structured around creating specializations in order to increase productivity and remain functional, and reinforces the formal instinct in us at the expense of the sensual so that we can adapt to its demands. This process alters our psychology and we become "conscious" — which is another way of saying that something in us has now become unconscious because we are directing certain instincts in us at the fore in order to adapt to the demands of our environment. The nature of original sin is entirely inward and psychological.

>> No.14296181

>>14296174
Yes, normal industries where you don't fuck strangers on camera for a living.

>> No.14296184

>>14296162
People use the same argument to justify prostitution. Some minority of people who do porn or sex work because they want to hardly negates the idea that most women who end up in these industries are from poverty, drug addiction, homelessness and so on. And even if we grant that some people actually choose this because they want to and aren't being pressured by economic factors it doesn't make it any less soulless.
>>14296174
This also always struck me as a silly argument. Sure, all work is degrading and horrible on some level, but people who work at a supermarket don't have to be raped every day of their lives and usually don't suffer lifelong injuries and trauma from their work either.

>> No.14296186

>>14296176
OP is an undercover Coomer since he knew Gary Wilson is a fraud but there are hundreds of other great sources on the topic.

>> No.14296188

>>14296178
becuase im making a thicc compilation of you
gachiHYPER

>> No.14296191

>>14296184
What porn actors you are referring to that suffered lifelong injuries and trauma?

>> No.14296192

>>14296178
You can do it if you want but only nerd virgins get any joy out of it.

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>>14296192
Fine by me

>> No.14296203

>>14294575
lol

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>>14296184
>don't have to be raped every day of their lives and usually don't suffer lifelong injuries and trauma from their work either.
are you going to justify this claim?

>> No.14296209

>>14296191
I recommended a book earlier in the thread called Pornland by Gail Dines, who uses a lot of specific examples of both the mental and physical trauma endured by porn actresses during their careers. Just think for a second the stress that kind of thing does to a body, especially in the more extreme kinds of porn. There are also many reports of women being beaten, abused, and so on and on off camera by directors and producers which I'm sure you shouldn't find too hard to imagine. The mental trauma should be obvious to you. If you are a woman who is forced into the sex industry due to your financial situation you are more or less enduring revolting sex you don't want as your job, imagine the psychological effect this would have on somebody.

>> No.14296211

>>14296186
This. Wilson is the perfect dialectic for the Hegelian Coomer to offer as juxtaposition as a said attempt to further their own argument. The coomer knows Wilson is a weak thin man, who never defeated his addiction but just cut out one aspect of it. From there, the coomer can go for the jugular. But recognizing Wilson as a masturbation and fornication apologist fraud, and offering better sources, even if they are dead, is better because they are the true opposite to the coomer. The man who has conquered himself. This is what the coomer truly fears, and what Wilson blissfully ignores.

>> No.14296219

>>14296209
They deserved it. Their lives are nothing compared to the countless millions of spectators lives they contributed to destroying.

>> No.14296222

>using Gary Wilson as a source knowing specifically he is a weak target and will make coomers think they have the upperhand

Ignore the bait thread

>> No.14296239

>>14296219
You should direct your anger at the industries that spend millions of dollars pandering this sick crap to young people, not the vulnerable people who are caught up in the whole scheme.

>> No.14296244

>>14296222
Based Chaste Hegelian.

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>>14294560
I'm not opposed to the whole nofap thing, but I'd like to see some actual studies on the health effects, not some baseless reductionist speculation about dopamine.
>>14296209
>moralfaggotry
why should I care about that?

>> No.14296249

>>14296209
>>14296239
what if I only watch amateur porn

>> No.14296252

>>14296249
You are still enabling the porn industry

>> No.14296255

>>14296245
Do you not see the difficulty in conducting such studies and how they would be approved before an ethics board?

>> No.14296258

>>14296245
Read the goddamn book OP mentioned retard. Has coom ruined your ability to comprehend anything without having to be spoonfed every second

>> No.14296266

>>14296245
The porn industry has firms that don't allow these studies to be published no matter how obvious the negative effects are.

>> No.14296275

>>14296255
>>14296266
So you don't have anything to back up your claims?
>>14296258
throw some papers at me
I'm not reading some dudes interpretations, I'm perfectly capable of reading scientific literature myself.

>> No.14296284

>>14296249
Your an even bigger retard for being a moral fag only opposed to porn because muh ethics, muh morals, but do not care about it rotting away your brain. Amateur is probably the worst of all because the people are abominations, disgusting looking creatures who are so empty on the inside and outside that they take pleasure in projecting the only thing they filled themselves with, a loathsome lust exuding itself forth. You can tell these people are subhuman, like animals, who think this is the apex of their lives. It's like going to a barn and taking pleasure in watching the pigs copulate.

>> No.14296292

>>14296275
You think you are clever but you aren't. I can see right through the shit you think you are pulling

>> No.14296293

>>14296275
There are plenty of hypotheses and mechanisms for why sexual excess has downsides, such as the neurochemical and hormonal changes following orgasm. The people who defend it, have neither theoretical mechanisms for why it would be harmless, or studies showing it. They just make ad populum arguments and appeals to normalcy.

>> No.14296298

>>14296245
Moron.
>>14296249
It doesn't matter, you're still generating all their dirty money. You could be watching sitcom episodes on Pornhub and you're still putting cash in the pockets of white collar pimp rapists. Not to mention that there are other issues here as well that are seperate from the moral angle, such as the psychological effect on viewers of porn, especially considering so many of us have been watching it from an obscenely young age.

>> No.14296315

>>14296292
>>14296293
please
I just need some sources friends
anything, I'm really not trying to be (that) inflammatory, not to you guys at least, fuck that moralcuck though.
I have access to a bunch of journals through my job, send me anything you have.
I've studied neurology, and if you think that it's even close to that simple you're off on another planet.
>>14296298
>moralfag

>> No.14296319

>>14296315
Find your own. We aren't going to spoon feed you

>> No.14296320

>>14294650

https://www.getroman.com/impatient/erectile-dysfunction/ed-in-your-20s/

Eat your own flaccid dick, coomers.

>> No.14296325

>>14296320
>Disclaimer: This information isn’t a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. You should never rely upon this article for specific medical advice

dropped

>> No.14296334

>LE PORN IS LE BAD GUISE

>> No.14296358

>>14296179
Thanks for your reply, that was interesting. I fail to see how that explanation accounts for death, though.

>> No.14296364

>>14296319
Alright, fine, have it your way. I'll go look into it, in actual journals not broscience reddit posts and some pseud's book.
Or is the medical establishment to corrupt to do that?
It seems unlikely that the porn industry really has that much sway over medicine, but I'd love to see some statistics about money they spend on that sort of thing if you have it.

>> No.14296367

>>14296334
The coomer running out of arguments resorts to ad hominems

>> No.14296405

>>14296364
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/1874574

>Main Outcomes and Measures Gray matter volume of the brain was measured by voxel-based morphometry and resting state functional connectivity was measured on 3-T magnetic resonance imaging scans.

>Results We found a significant negative association between reported pornography hours per week and gray matter volume in the right caudate (P<.001, corrected for multiple comparisons) as well as with functional activity during a sexual cue–reactivity paradigm in the left putamen (P<.001). Functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex was negatively associated with hours of pornography consumption.

>Conclusions and Relevance The negative association of self-reported pornography consumption with the right striatum (caudate) volume, left striatum (putamen) activation during cue reactivity, and lower functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex could reflect change in neural plasticity as a consequence of an intense stimulation of the reward system, together with a lower top-down modulation of prefrontal cortical areas. Alternatively, it could be a precondition that makes pornography consumption more rewarding.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924977X16300979

>The degree to which drug and natural rewards share neural substrates is not known. The objective of this study is to conduct a comprehensive meta-analysis of neuroimaging studies on drug, gambling and natural stimuli (food and sex) to identify the common and distinct neural substrates of cue reactivity to drug and natural rewards.

>Natural (sexual) reward cues induced unique activation of the pulvinar in thalamus. Neural substrates of cue reactivity to alcohol, drugs of abuse, food, sex and gambling are largely overlapping and comprise a network that processes reward, emotional responses and habit formation. This suggests that cue-mediated craving involves mechanisms that are not exclusive for addictive disorders but rather resemble the intersection of information pathways for processing reward, emotional responses, non-declarative memory and obsessive–compulsive behavior.

https://www.nature.com/articles/npp201778

>Using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), we examined ventral striatal responses to erotic and monetary stimuli, disentangling cue-related ‘wanting’ from reward-related ‘liking’ among 28 heterosexual males seeking treatment for PPU [Problematic Porn Use] and 24 heterosexual males without PPU

>Our findings suggest that, similar to what is observed in substance and gambling addictions, the neural and behavioral mechanisms associated with the anticipatory processing of cues specifically predicting erotic rewards relate importantly to clinically relevant features of PPU. These findings suggest that PPU may represent a behavioral addiction

>> No.14296409

>>14296405
Thank you, I will read them

>> No.14296423

>>14296405
What is supposed to be bad about any of this?

>> No.14296470

>>14295307
What defines longterm use?

>> No.14296481

>>14296367
>le asshurt christcuck guilty of fapping

>> No.14296535

>>14296358
>I fail to see how that explanation accounts for death, though.
Why does it have to?

>> No.14296550

>>14296298
ah well when you think about it porn is pretty nice, so when you put it that way I don't mind helping some people who have helped to make my life a bit more pleasurable, even if it's dirty money.
Trust me it feels a lot more dirty giving money and time to women for years and getting nothing out of it ever, thats the real dirty money.

Honestly if porn is sucking so much out of women, then it's merely giving back what was taken by women in the first place. So yeah when you think about it like that, porn is fucking great, it's a huge equalizing factor between men and women in society. Even then it's not enough, but every bit helps and porn plays it's part well.
Only reason men are going to porn is because of a lack of sex, if women would have sex then none of this would be happening. Or they could make rape legal. Yeah if either of those two things happened I swear I'd never even think about porn again. As it stands now though, porn isn't traumating ENOUGH women, it's got a ways to go until things are equal again.

>> No.14296551

>>14296535
Because death is unnatural.

>> No.14296570

>>14296551
It's not.

>> No.14296611

>>14296570
If so, then Christ's Passion was without meaning.

>> No.14296618

>>14296611
Well, it's completely meaningless to me, so...

>> No.14297595

>>14294575
>>14294560
lads im scared
theyve got me jerking it to tranny porn now which is a threshold i never thought i would cross. i need to hard stop right here right now.

>> No.14297619

>>14295424
what will reading theory do and why is his cigar so fucked?

>> No.14297702

>>14295939
It's a bit scary how much you sound like the Schizophrenic mother of one of my friends. She started off as coherent as you are, but talking nonsense, then descended into complete madness. Good luck, Anon.

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>>14294697
Those 'juice' you're complaining about were actually smart enough to make the most of a market that clearly people want to watch.

Meanwhile you're posting a /webm/ of breaking dancing frogs to a literature board complaining about people more successful than you.

>> No.14297790

>>14297595
I had a similar reaction to when I started watching sissy hypno; thankfully I've managed not only to stop watching porn, but also to stop masturbating for at least 3 months now (though it still turns me on to think about it)

>> No.14297972

>>14294748
Samefagging is gay

>> No.14298052

>>14294857
>your brain shouldn't be overloaded with you pretending to fuck 10/10s on a regular basis shows a lot

The way you use the term 'overloaded', as if simply experiencing pleasure was strange and overbearing, or that getting used to something and not deriving quite the seam experience from it would be something that would fuck up your mind. Like, have you seriously thought about the fact that some lucky people legit have hot wives and get satisfying sex on the regular?

>> No.14298071

>>14295128
>I still get horny when I imagine just kissing someone cute

This is hotter than the craziest fetishes in so many ways. I actually find just kissing more erotic that I even did. It's far more tender. And yet the most 'vanilla' loving shit involves people passionately taking each other's fluids and being bloated by an new human being created inside them then birthing and feeding it with their engorged breasts. Vanilla lovemaking for the sake of procreation is the most hardcore thing people do.