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[Anonymous No.14287013]

I know Nietzsche basically hated politics and statecraft, but what sort of society are we looking at if he were to have such power? If he honestly wants to reach the superman you would think Plato's republic or more appropriately a modern dictatorship to ensure thr right conditions for him to grow. Not to mention following his ideas of the Ubermensch and the transvaluation of values, would one not establish themselves as a dictator and enforce their new values on the herd? Is this not why he loved Jesus and Napoleon?

[Anonymous No.14287038]

Just read the Will to Power

[Anonymous No.14287048]

>>14287013
It would be ironic. I think he would
be more anarchistic following Emma Goldman’s thoughts. Or Novatore.

[Anonymous No.14287051]

julian youngs "nietzche's philosophy of religion" talks about a lot of this in detail; he goes against the view that nietzsche (completely) detested politics, and also presents a communitarian nietzsche instead of an individualist nietzsche. there's a chapter I believe relating to plato's republic, as well as caste systems. as for your idea of dictator, I don't think at all that's what nietzsche would go for; rather, the Ubermensch should act as such a figure of inspiration that their values would residually trickle into culture more generally.

[Anonymous No.14287130]

>>14287051
Sounds like confucius’ idea of Ren. Also communitarianism/collectivism doesn’t contradict individualism, that’s a meme

[Anonymous No.14287132]

>>14287051
>Ubermensch should act as such a figure of inspiration that their values would residually trickle into culture more generally.

c'mon bruh you need a state propaganda machine for this to work

[Anonymous No.14287203]

>>14287130
yep, that's exactly julian youngs view. but many many nietzsche interpreters definitely see nietzsche as espousing individualism at the complete expense of communitarianism, rather than seeing their mutual compatibility.

>>14287132
ngl thats what I actually believe but I don't think thats what nietzsche would have held. he does believe in hierarchy but it would be cultural hierarchy rather than state-driven hierarchy

[Anonymous No.14287225]

>inb4 Ayn Randian Objectivism or any libertarian shit
Certainly not the above

[Anonymous No.14287241]

>>14287203
I agree Nietzsche probably wouldn't but his line of thought would tend to lead to such actions.

[Anonymous No.14287268]

>>14287013

It would be a fucking shitshow. I love Nietzsche as much as the next guy but he had no sympathy for midwits or women.
Nietzsche was brilliant but very elitist.

''Trivial people suffer trivially, and great men suffer greatly.''

I wouldn't want someone like that making legislation desu.

[Anonymous No.14287291]

>Not wanting a society where women are classed as a kind of property and kids with sub-150 IQ's are never taught to read

[Anonymous No.14287324]

>>14287291

Yeah, I don't because it's fucking retarded. Enjoy getting out competed by literally every other nation. How are you going to do modern warfare if your soldiers can't read let alone use a computer?

[Anonymous No.14287335]

>>14287324
You get nuclear weapons and threaten to use them at every provocation obviously.

[Anonymous No.14287351]

>>14287335

>He thinks nukes are real

The ultimate bluepill

[Anonymous No.14287384]

>>14287051
Or the ideal society would be composed of such elevated souls. There would be no need to govern because everyone would be self-governing, conventional morality having been transcended. Yet there would be an aristocratic element, anyone stupid or unworthy would be scorned.

Nietzche presents an end-time scenario where the Last Man is contrasted with the Ubermensch. The last man (strangely analogous to the "bugman" 4chan archetype of mindless consumer) is utterly pacified and wants only comfort. Not only in terms of lifestyle but in terms of ideas; the last man is afraid of pioneering thought or challenging the boundaries of conventional truth.
It's not unfair to extrapolate that in N's world a class system would spring where the last men become the subordinates of the ubermensch.

[Anonymous No.14287585]

>>14287132
If you haven't noticed, state propaganda is extremely cringe.

[Anonymous No.14287682]

>>14287013
>what sort of society are we looking at if he were to have such power?
One that wouldn't work

[Anonymous No.14288028]

>>14287013
>From now on there will be more favorable preconditions for more comprehensive forms of dominion, whose like has never yet existed. And even this is not the most important thing; the possibility has been established for the production of international racial unions whose task will be to rear a master race, the future "masters of the earth";--a new, tremendous aristocracy, based on the severest self-legislation, in which the will of philosophical men of power and artist-tyrants will be made to endure for millenia--a higher kind of man who, thanks to their superiority in will, knowledge, riches, and influence, employ democratic Europe as their most pliant and supple instrument for getting hold of the destinies of the earth, so as to work as artists upon "man" himself. Enough: the time is coming when politics will have a different meaning.
The Will to Power, § 960 / Nachgelassene Fragmente 1885-86, 2[57]