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14282484 No.14282484 [Reply] [Original]

Why are people who never read this book so obsessed with it?

>> No.14282504

>>14282484
it was actually the first book i read when i decided to start reading in my free time
i regret that i chose it to start, everything else pales in comparison

>> No.14282530

Because they never read it. If they actually did, they'd see just how unsexy it is.

>> No.14282531
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14282531

Why are people who read this book so disappointed by it?

>> No.14282772

P R O S E

>> No.14282905

>>14282484
How HOT it actually is? How much detail does it describe? In the movies, she seems to perform fellatio on the guy (first removing her bracers, which makes me absolutely fucking diamonds) is that found in the book?

>> No.14282927

>>14282905
maybe yes, maybe no. it mos def shouldnt be spoonfed to (you)

>> No.14282930

>>14282927
Don’t be mean.

>> No.14282934

>>14282905
All the sex acts are only alluded to, it doesn't actually go into detail. Even the allusions are presented in a textbook, clinical kind of way.

>> No.14282942

>>14282484
Why is everyone ok with this book exitsing? i dont fucking get it. put down your Le edgy 4channer anonymos pedo memes and realize its a fucking book written by a old russian man about having literal sex with a 12 year old girl. Why is there no uproar? how did he avoid cancel culture then and now? Why isnt it banned in multiple countries. I really really dont ubderstand how this is allowed to exist. On the wiki it just says >“its controversial”
Controversial? fucking cringe.

>> No.14282956

>>14282942
I can see your blue hair through the internet.

>> No.14282958

>>14282930
Cruelty is the kindess of the wise.

>> No.14282960

because /lit/ is a reactionary shithole

>> No.14282969

>>14282942
It almost as if normal people can discern fiction from reality.

>> No.14282971

>>14282958
What a totally asinine thing to say.

>> No.14282973

>>14282934
Bummer
>>14282958
You must be very wise then, because you’re very mean :~(

>> No.14282977

>>14282942
>Why is?
>Why is?
>How did
>Why isn't
>I really really don't understand

Calm down you whiny fucking liberal

>> No.14282988

"My car is limping, Dolores Haze,
And the last long lap is the hardest,
And I shall be dumped where the weed decays,
And the rest is rust and stardust."

Say what you want, the prose is kino.

>> No.14282990

>>14282934
its explicitly stated, like when he says they made love many times
it also goes into some detail, but in a fancy prose kinda way, like when he talks about how big his dick is, or when lolita bled and it mixed with his cum, or when he licked her asshole

>> No.14283004

>>14282973
>>14282971
lurk more, read the book. btw, Lolita is not explicit, as any lurker should know by now, but Nabokov still makes you question your moral standpoint. enjoy the book, frens.

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14283010

>>14282990
>he licked her asshole

>> No.14283015
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>>14282956
>>14282969
>>14282977
>i’m a stereotypical asexual liberal tumblr girl with blue hair because i think appraisal of a book about having sex with twelve year olds is kinda weird

>> No.14283019

>>14283015
wait i thought Appraisal meant to praise something lol. mods take it down

>> No.14283023

>>14282942
>>14283015
>>14283019
holy shit, bros
i dont think this is bait

>> No.14283030

>>14283015
That was such a reddit reply that my body not so much cringed as contorted a little

>> No.14283033

>>14283015
Twelve year olds have been fucking since the dawn of time. Get over it you fag.

>> No.14283043

>>14283030
>>14283023
kys both of u. unless the joke is that Lolita doesnt really hve 12 yr old sexualization, then hahha u got me hahh i should lurk more

>> No.14283047

>>14283033
>Twelve year olds have been fucking since the dawn of time
AND NONE OF THEM HAVE FUCKED ME
REEEEEEEEEEEEE ITS NOT FAIR

>> No.14283052

>>14283043
Take your own advice moral fag. 4chan doesn’t have likes so I don’t know what you’re trying to gain here...

>> No.14283056

>>14283033
>Twelve year olds have been fucking since the dawn of time.
It was literally twelve years AFTER the dawn of time.

>> No.14283059

>>14283052
i
dont
get
how
this
book
is
academically
accepted
and
praised

if the entire plot is about: Having Sex: With: Twelve Year: Olds

>> No.14283063

>>14283047
Maybe you're just not trying hard enough.
>>14283056
Probably more like ten years.
>>14283059
Read the book.

>> No.14283071

>>14282934

Man was not brave for true lit yet. There shall be a new Lolita born

>> No.14283077

>>14283063
>Maybe you're just not trying hard enough.
careful, anon, dont tempt me

>> No.14283085

>>14283071
Write an uncensored (yet somehow not vulgar) Lolita with the same literary quality and you can have my money.

>> No.14283100

>>14283085
>(yet somehow not vulgar)
what are you doing

>> No.14283124

>>14283100
Fapping and listening to podcasts

>> No.14283132

>>14283059
i
dont
get
how
you
can
be
this
retarded
nigger
kys

>> No.14283140

>>14283124
are you fapping to the podcasts?

>> No.14283153

>>14283140
Nay I’m fapping to a friends’ daughter’s (18 years old I promise ;)) Instagram while listening to Jay Dyer

>> No.14283160

>>14283153
bruh

>> No.14283209

good thread

>> No.14283213

>>14283209
thank you

>> No.14283248
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>>14282942
even thought this is hard bait, i must say that every person that sees this book as pedo propanga is either a retard who has read the book or a retard who hasn't and yet talks about it.
if you think somehow that hebephilia is an artistic approach to sexuality you may be right, but only as fiction. you are retarded if you claim to see the beauty of abussing a child who is ultimately a victim.
and that is the final point of the book. lolita is a victim, and humbert a narcissist who treates every human around him as objects. obviously it doesn't come up to that easily and the stylization of violence, possesion and sex in the book is made by a clearly genius mind.
life isn't easy.

>> No.14283271

>>14283248
>lolita is a victim, and humbert a narcissist who treates every human around him as objects
finally, someone who understands the book
i hate it when dumb thots (see: OP image) call it a love story, its the biggest sign that youre dealing with someone who wouldve have better luck understanding the book if they just used it as a pillow

>> No.14283281

>>14282484
People like to espouse their ideas and opinions on things they've never experienced in order to feel that they have something of worth

>> No.14283305

I like the part where she is running in from outside, you know the part where the sun has glazed her body with a thin shimmer of sweat that makes tanned dark skin shine. As she runs in the doorway her little feet slap onto the cool dark wood floor making a slight suction sound with each step. She stops and shakes off the towel she is wearing and it drops around her ankles. The swimming pool left her wet from the waist down. As she walks the soles of her feet make a small path where she just stepped. Her high arches apparent and small little toes on top. The blazing sun consumes the doorway from behind her creating a cascading halo that wraps around her small dark body. His eyes adjust to the intense light, and she comes into focus. She is standing there, beneath him looking up. Her toes pointed inwards as she smiles. His heart racing as he inhales. The rooms begins to blacken as he wakes up.

Alone in his recliner he sits. The TV is blaring local news at 6. The dream so real. He can still taste the chlorine and sunscreen that coated her body. He savors the image for the few passing moments as it fades to blackness.

>Vlad get off the chair you lazy sack of beets. Much work to be done.
His wife scours him
>Your erection is disgusting. Get rid of it now.

>Shut up woman, i awake now
He reaches his arm down and pulls the handle. The recliner groans as the foot stool shoots under the chair settling back into position. He leans forward as his back pops. He takes a deep breath and pushes himself forward to move his massive frame from the chair. The chair wags back and rocks a few times before settling. Vlad wipes the drools from his mouth and yawns.
>What is cooking

>Same as was cooking 2 hours ago, stew with white potatoes.

>I don't like white potatoes

>This is all we have

>Niet, this is not true woman, we have many potatoes. You do this on purpose
Vlad thrown his hands up. His head begins to pound and his stomach growls. He takes another deep breaths yawn.
>You wouldn't cook something i like if i were on my death bed woman.

>If only that were true
she whispers under her breath.

>What was that
His eyes glared at her.

>> No.14283434

>>14283213
You aren't the op faggot

>> No.14283456

>>14283271
>finally, someone who understands the book

lol it hardly takes a genius to realize that the 12 year old girl being fucked by an old man is a victim

>> No.14283460

>>14283271
>call it a love story
Do people who have read the novel do that?
> (see: OP image)
It's just the cover of the version I own bro

>> No.14283482

>>14283015
>>14282942

This person is a pedophile desperately trying to hide his condition.

>> No.14283993

>>14282942
go take a breath lmao

>> No.14284867

>>14283004
The bitch was asking for it and the dude was a retard

>> No.14285048

>>14283456
A minority of critics have accepted Humbert's version of events at face value. In 1958, Dorothy Parker described the novel as "the engrossing, anguished story of a man, a man of taste and culture, who can love only little girls" and Lolita as "a dreadful little creature, selfish, hard, vulgar, and foul-tempered".[28] In 1959, novelist Robertson Davies excused the narrator entirely, writing that the theme of Lolita is "not the corruption of an innocent child by a cunning adult, but the exploitation of a weak adult by a corrupt child. This is no pretty theme, but it is one with which social workers, magistrates and psychiatrists are familiar."[29]

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>>14283248
>abussing a child

And I was that child who was bussed, me, Hamala Harris

>> No.14285420

>>14285361
shoo shoo goblina

>> No.14285426

>>14285361
so glad this vapid cunt is out of the race

>> No.14285429

>>14282958
Shit sociopathic people say

>> No.14285481

>>14282942
Literally the entire point of the book is that Humbert is a bad person, and that you're potentially a bad person for sympathizing with him just because of his fancy words.

>> No.14285490

>read Lolita a couple months ago
>fell in love with Nabokov
>pick up Despair next
>first two paragraphs about what an amazing writer he is
>fucks me up how right he is
>Haven't gotten past the first two paragraphs yet
>I feel despair

WELL PLAYED, VLAD

>> No.14285555

>>14283059
There's no way you're not a roastie
Literally 0 chance

>> No.14285580

>>14283059

Jesus christ just watch the movie if you are so fucking adverse to reading. At least you'll know it's not masturbatory fuel.

>> No.14285594

>>14283043
>>14283059
go back to lolcow

>> No.14285601

>>14282934
>a tame, almost dry description of the appearance of a young girl
>and her clothes
and her attitude
>"so anyway, that's what my dick was in and I liked it a lot"
The sex scenes in Lolita everyone

>> No.14285610

>>14282484
Pop culture references

>> No.14285643

>>14285555
Women love Lolita though.

>> No.14285700

What do you even mean, op?

>> No.14286002

>>14282905
Nabokov would have you hanged

>> No.14286020
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>>14283248
>>14283271
>>14283456
All wrong, all brainlets. Humbert is the victim.

>> No.14286151

If i see someone reading this in public i would beat him up bc he a pedo

>> No.14286176

>>14286151
I was literally just thinking about going to buy this today and reading it on the train back and encountering some hostility and having to deal with it. Is it socially unacceptable to read Lolita on public transport?

>> No.14286497

>>14282942
>>>14282484 (OP)
>Why is everyone ok with this book exitsing? i dont fucking get it. put down your Le edgy 4channer anonymos pedo memes and realize its a fucking book written by a old russian man about having literal sex with a 12 year old girl. Why is there no uproar? how did he avoid cancel culture then and now? Why isnt it banned in multiple countries. I really really dont ubderstand how this is allowed to exist. On the wiki it just says >“its controversial”
>Controversial? fucking cringe

YOU ARE A HERO, ANON
what the hell guys yes
it is still a nice study on unreliable characters/narrators/protagonists and they're accusations. something nice about it, that makes me think about this book, is that we NEVER truly knew Lolita/Dolores. we've only known her through this bitter sick man (and he recognises his own twisted nature) eyes. we don't know about the veracity of his statements, nor about his study of Lolita's behaviour. we only see Lolita through his twisted eyes. another good example on unreliable characters/narrators/protagonists is on the classic Brazilian romance "Dom Casmurro", but in a less ""controversial"" way.

>> No.14286510

>>14282934
The characters don't even speak either. It's written like a diary where he wrotes down his thoughts and events. It doesn't directly depict them.

>> No.14286534

>>14285700
As in, whenever there is a thread about the book here, it is evident that half of the people replying to it have never read it (With this thread being an exception because it calls them out)

>> No.14286540

>>14286176
Yes, it'd take a special kind of retard to get offended by it

>> No.14286554

>>14283305
I enjoyed this.

>> No.14286563

>>14283305
>dark skin
DROPPED

Who has dark skin in Russia? Is Dolores a Gypsy?

>> No.14287112

>>14286176
i would read it before lecture, and, when asked what it was about, was more than happy to explain the plot

>> No.14288237

>>14283085

See you in 11 years

>> No.14288280

>>14282942
Hebephilia is based

>> No.14288393

>>14286563
Anon, the book is set in America

>> No.14288403

>>14282484
nobby is an overrated hack
his head is so far up his own ass, all the food he eats is auto-digested

>> No.14288428

>>14283059
Incredible bait.

>> No.14288433

Are there actually people who dont realise that the relationship between Dolores/Lolita and Humbert is abusive? I haven't read the book yet but I plan to,all I know about Lolita is through cultural osmosis And I thought that was common knowledge

>> No.14288439

>>14283059
There are lots of books about war, disease, rape, and murder. In fact, there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of books about murder mysteries.

I'm only saying this for your benefit. If you find this book upsetting that's good. Attend to your studies and cherish the opportunities to learn and grow.

>> No.14288563

>>14288439
desu this though. we have tons of books about committing murder. but *gasp* having sex with a *gulp* 12 year old?!?! somehow that's morally unforgiveable

reminder juliet was like, 13.

>> No.14288566

>>14288433
>Are there actually people who dont realise that the relationship between Dolores/Lolita and Humbert is abusive?
>I haven't read the book yet

Shitwit.

>> No.14288590

>>14282990
Of course he states that they fucked, but this guy (>>14282905) wants porno-like descriptions of benis and bagine, which Lolita doesn't have.

Also
>when he licked her asshole
Are you reading something into it that isn't there? This doesn't happen in the novel. Give me a direct quotation of when this happens.

>> No.14288616

>>14288590
Nevermind, I see where your confusion is. You think when he says Lolita's "brown rose tasted of blood" that means her anus.

I'm not convinced. I think it actually refers to her vulva, as this thread explains: >>/lit/thread/11143207?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=71c4d870392a7cdc013bd0cfa40475526f81f3b0-1575491813-0-AccmzzThZKzMJMnqCrmoYF2Tr39WkrPSpqAO2-kKs2LkpkPF_XTloqeeumdknrdq9WT_jt9epkIH-QpJbThnSx3TfwICQ-oSyptUd1UUOLID9ugE7dpFob4tBak4nBsTkEbY59AEuvb1Z9l31LcTAGSVbRWpfoJrfLbw38AA5zRejl3AhJ0h7r_sZglrzpRGMMD4iTFA0KSp8xgYxmGakNRRe0xznRzoFjLINpcO1iup61PRmRm3h1HH4EOwx7PMrnC8LIOAK3oFHDzajN09yxRWVHlm3v13KG1khi72u1sW sorry for the shit link.

>> No.14288628

>>14288616
i respectfully disagree

>> No.14288804

>>14288616
>>14288628
Actually, now that I read it in context, I think it's possible it may not refer to either. The warosu link doesn't work, but this was brought up before on this board and most of the posters seemed to agree this meant she was menstruating and the "brown rose" was her vulva. Now that I read it again, I think it might refer to her mouth.

Here's the passage for others to read/weigh in on:

>Hysterical little nymphs might, I knew, run up all kinds of temperature — even exceeding a fatal count. And I would have given her a sip of hot spiced wine, and two aspirins, and kissed the fever away, if, upon an examination of her lovely uvula, one of the gems of her body, I had not seen that it was a burning red. I undressed her. Her breath was bittersweet. Her brown rose tasted of blood. She was shaking from head to toe. She complained of a painful stiffness in the upper vertebrae — and I thought of poliomyelitis as any American parent would. Giving up all hope of intercourse, I wrapped her up in a laprobe and carried her into the car.

To me, it doesn't make sense that he would mention her uvula then her breath and then throw in a line about her anus or vulva. The brown bit is rendered further ambiguous since he refers to Lolita as being "brown" a lot:

>I do love that intoxicating brown fragrance of hers...

>You will dwell, my Lolita will dwell (come here, my brown flower) with thirty-nine other dopes in a dirty dormitory (no, allow me, please) under the supervision of hideous matrons.

>> No.14288822

>>14288804
He also refers to her mouth as a rose elsewhere:

>I regretted keenly her mistake about my private aesthetics, for I simply love that tinge of Botticellian pink, that raw rose about the lips, those wet, matted eyelashes; and, naturally, her bashful whim deprived me of many opportunities of specious consolation.

>> No.14288842

>>14288804
maybe, but he also mentioned undressing her, and the bits talking about her breath and talking about her “brown rose” are two separate sentences, so i dont necessarily think it breaks the flow of thought if it is in fact referring to her anus
also, a more humble objection: why would a mouth taste of blood?

>> No.14288858

I want brown rose

>> No.14288868

>>14288858
>ywn
its not fair bros

>> No.14288886

>>14288842
>i dont necessarily think it breaks the flow of thought if it is in fact referring to her anus

Not really breaking the flow of thought, but just an odd thing to sandwich in there. "Her breath was bittersweet. I LICKED HER ANUS. She was shaking from head to toe." It's almost comical to insert it in there.

>why would a mouth taste of blood?

He says her uvula is "burning red," suggesting inflammation about the mouth.

>> No.14288906

>>14282942
This is bait, but reminder, 90% of the world thinks like this.

>> No.14288953

>>14288886
>just an odd thing to sandwich in there
i think it serves the purpose of letting the reader know that Lolita is really sick, as well as a (not-so-) subtle reminder of the depravity of Humbert; he had several things indicating to him that Lolita wasnt feeling well, and yet he still undressed her and licked her asshole

>> No.14288989

>>14288953
If that is what it means, it certainly does depict Humbert in a horrible light—one of the worst in the book, really.
The fact that he gives up "all hope of intercourse" does weigh strongly in favor of a below-the-belt interpretation of "brown rose."

>> No.14289608

>>14288989
and i think the quote in >>14288822 weighs in favor of the mouth theory, but i still think the anus is more appropriate
maybe we should ask vlad :^)

>> No.14290533

>>14283004
>but Nabokov still makes you question your moral standpoint.

YIIIIIIIKES

>> No.14290823

>>14282942
>Why is everyone ok with this book exitsing?
In a time before the internet, a few people knew how to read and write
Those people diligently studied the sum of their knowledge about humanity and society up to that point
Then they realized the necessity of having positions of power and influence, like the courts, held by people of proven learning and rationality
To avoid mob rule by dumb fucks like you

Sadly those days are not long gone
That doesn't make your uninformed gut reaction any less shameful

>> No.14291258

>>14282484
It's reddit and/or onions