/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14263445]

नमस्ते, my name is Ken-Aishwarya.

I'm a 27 year old American Brahmacharya (student for you mlecchas). Everyday I sing the Gayatri Mantra and the Shri Rudram, and spend my days perfecting my art, defeating internet Buddhists in debates and reading superior Hindu philosophers and poet-saints. (Śaṅkarācārya, Abhinavagupta, Jñāneśvar).

I perfect my knowledge of Sanskrit every day, this superior language is the key to humanity's most valuable storehouse of metaphysical and esoteric knowledge because it emanated from the very Gods themselves and enchants the listener with the rich and melodious notes of its hymns.

I earned my Yoga Teacher licence two years ago, and I have been getting better every day.

I also speak Hindustani fluently, both Hindi and the Urdu dialect, and I write fluently as well. I know everything about Indian history and their Dharma-Śāstras, which I follow 100%

When I get my Indian visa, I hope to attend the satsang of a prestigious guru from the Inchegeri Sampradaya so I can be initiated. I hope that I can eventually become the English translator of a wise ācārya!

I own several dhotis, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to India, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my elders and seniors and quote Pāṇini as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Bharat!

[Anonymous No.14263452]

>>14263445
>Urdu
isn't Urdu mostly spoken in Pakistan though?

[Anonymous No.14263455]

>>14263445
>>14263452
C-C-C-C
ULTURE OF CRITIQUE

[Anonymous No.14263464]

Shankara did not sufficiently respond to Theravada doctrine, he was nothing more than a sophist

[Anonymous No.14263477]

>>14263464
>Shankara did not sufficiently respond to Theravada doc-

[Anonymous No.14263495]

>>14263445
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.14263521]

>>14263464
>Shankara didn't demolish against the arguments of Buddhists who say the self does not exis-

[Anonymous No.14263530]

>>14263477
>>14263521
What is the essential Shankara literature to read?

[Anonymous No.14263542]

>>14263455
based

[Anonymous No.14263577]

>>14263477
>>14263521
>I don't actually understand what that sophist's garglespeak even tried to convey so instead I'll gish gallop
Why are Hindus so retarded and unable to debate

[Anonymous No.14263594]

>>14263577
>I dont understand Shankara so ill call him garglespeak sophist

[Anonymous No.14263600]

Daily reminder that Shankara was heavily influenced by Nagarjuna, and his radical monism was considered essentially Buddhistic and heretical by Hindus at the time and since.

[Anonymous No.14263606]

Daily reminder this thread fits guenonfag's MO.

Guenonfag makes threads like this, then replies to himself with leading questions which he then answers himself, then replies to his own posts with things like "based" or "BTFO." He also makes obviously toothless attacks on his own opinions (like "Shankara did not sufficiently respond to Theravada doctrine, he was nothing more than a sophist") and then replies to these attacks with his own rejoinders as well.

Do not be fooled by guenonfag! He is a schizo.

[Anonymous No.14263607]

>>14263600
Hindus have no strong definition of Heretical because there are so many different types of them.

When you say "Hindus consider him heretical" thats just a few seething brahmins

[Anonymous No.14263609]

>>14263477
based

>>14263600
>>14263606
cringe

[Anonymous No.14263611]

>>14263464
>>14263477
>>14263495
>>14263521
>>14263530
>>14263577
>>14263594
>>14263600
I wouldn’t have thought it possible, but it’s true. You lot are worse than weebs.

[Anonymous No.14263614]

There is only one Guenonfag on this entire board by the way. Only one person on this board likes Guenon. He has to make it look like there is multiple of them

[Anonymous No.14263616]

>>14263614
There are plenty who like Guenon, but there is only one guenonfag.

[Anonymous No.14263617]

>>14263616
No they dont, nobody is stupid enough to like Guenon except the Gunonfag shitskin

[Anonymous No.14263639]

>>14263530
His Upanishad commentaries + Gita commentary

https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf
https://estudantedavedanta.net/Eight-Upanisads-Vol-1.pdf

[Anonymous No.14263647]

>>14263606
keep seething about me bitch lmao

[Anonymous No.14263662]

Ok seguro

[Anonymous No.14263664]

Guenonfag you know nobody has a problem with you being a diehard advaita vedanta, shankara, or guenon fan, right? Nobody would mind if you were a vociferous advocate of the things you like. There are plenty of those here. The problem is always your obvious samefagging, your bitterness and intolerance of disagreement, and your tendency to go on crusades against phantom opponents.

Can I seriously suggest to you that the next time you make a thread (presumably in a few hours), you just make it a normal "let's discuss the upanishads/shankara/advaita/guenon" thread, and refrain from samefagging? Have a real discussion. When was the last time you had a real discussion with someone, as opposed to replying to your own posts with link spam, or angrily ranting at Buddhists who are half ignoring you? Don't you want to have a real conversation?

Guenonfag, I am reading a history of Indian philosophy and a history of Sanskrit literature, and I will read some Guenon and some Shankara after that, and I will try to have a real discussion with you. It will take me a few weeks but I am going to try to have a real conversation with you, at least once. I can't promise I will become a believer in Advaita Vedanta, but I can promise that I will attend only to the philosophical truths and not read with bias just for the sake of arguing with you. On that day, when I find you in some thread and engage you in genuine discussion of Shankara, will you try being a nice guy and not samefagging? Just for that one day?

[Anonymous No.14263682]

Isn't he a nihilist? DUDE REAL WORLD IS FAKE AND DOESN'T EXIST. ONLY THING THAT EXIST IS SOME METAPHYSICAL GOD.

[Anonymous No.14263710]

>>14263682
More like the real world IS the metaphysical God, it just appears to humans as a physical world

[Anonymous No.14263726]

>>14263664
Not him, but I see that every time there is a regular Guenon discussion thread though, it gets raided by people spamming Guenon brainlet memes,
>hurr durr pseudointellectual rhetorican Jordan Peterson of his time
memes
>hurr durr fuck Islam
memes
>Guenonthread
>anything worth discussing
>ok Guenonposter


Ive been looking to start reading Guenon myself but all the threads are full of shitposters

[Anonymous No.14263750]

>>14263726
Who cares about them though? That's just the nature of 4chan, and most of those people are only doing it because guenonfag (you?) gets so pissy about it, which is blood in the water for any troll.

If I can find the time I will read some more Guenon and even Schuon if I have to, just to pull guenonfag into an real conversation about a book instead of pointless shitposting for once. The only reason I stopped talking to guenonfag in the past is because he gets mean and starts samefagging himself in the middle of a conversation and it just feels like I'm dealing with someone who isn't interested in real discussion.

[Anonymous No.14263756]

>>14263726
Instead of waiting for the threads to calm down you could just start reading Introductions to the Hindu doctrines.

[Anonymous No.14263761]

>>14263726
They simply couldn't contend with the Heraclitean doctrine

[Anonymous No.14263762]

>>14263756
I have already ordered crisis of the modern world. Is the hindu doctrines one worth reading first?

[Anonymous No.14263775]

>>14263762
Depends if you want social criticism or metaphysical exposition, the intro to Hindu doctrines clears up his terminology and acts as a kind of key to his other books but you can still get by otherwise.

[Anonymous No.14263779]

>>14263762
As a general reader Crisis is probably easiest and best to start with, Reign of Quantity is in my opinion his most interesting, Introduction to the Hindu Doctrines is best if you are specifically interested in vedanta, and Man and his Becoming is a good follow-up to Introduction. He has several other interesting writings too, for example on topics like symbolism and initiation.

If you can't handle Guenon at all, it might also be worthwile to read Eliade's Cosmos and History (also called Myth of the Eternal Return). Evola is also interesting.

Mark Sedgwick has an okay book on the "traditionalists" as a whole, but it's not really about their ideas, more the networks of fellow travellers and their intellectual careers. I found it useful for selecting which ones I'd like to read. I think Nasr is mediocre personally, but Schuon's actual writings deserves more respect than they get. There are some interesting minor ones like Zolla too that I really liked.

[Anonymous No.14263940]

>>14263445
>defeating internet Buddhists in debates and reading superior Hindu philosophers and poet-saints

The rest is discarded, you don't know the esoteric teachings you are an exoteric pleb and argue with exoteric plebs.

[Anonymous No.14263974]

>>14263726
the ok guenonposter spam was started by guenonfag btw

[Anonymous No.14264192]

>>14263710
isn't physical world and metaphysical world kind of like visible light and electromagnetic spectrum

[Anonymous No.14264234]

>>14263726
just subversion tactics

[Anonymous No.14264486]

>>14263664
Guenon was pro islam than hinduism tho

[Anonymous No.14264995]

>>14263445

I wish you to leave Samsara in this lifetime! Fellow aspirant Advaitin here, my dream is to be initiated in Kriya when I can leave my parents' house. I hope we can both achieve Kaivalya and become one with the self

[Anonymous No.14266241]

>>14263445
That unironically sounds like a fulfilling life though. Or would people rather wagecuck?

[Anonymous No.14266257]

>>14264486
setting aside his personal life, his books give the opposite impression IMO

[Anonymous No.14266342]

>>14264486
>>14266257
He thought that the initiated was above particular instantiations of the perennial philosophy and could choose without that being a sign of prejudice or preference. In more practical terms, he could not be initiated into a Hindu tradition because he was not a Brahmin, and there were not counterfeit mass movements like ISKCON giving out free initiations for Westerners back then.

[Anonymous No.14266494]

>>14266342
>In more practical terms, he could not be initiated into a Hindu tradition because he was not a Brahmin
only people trying to shill you into Abrahamism or people who fell for their lies repeat this meme, it's just simply not true

[Anonymous No.14266606]

>>14266494
t. burger McHindu

[Anonymous No.14266856]

>>14266342
>he could not be initiated into a Hindu tradition because he was not a Brahmin
I bet he would've loved to be a hindu like his hero shankara. Too bad the caste system he advocated so much for prevented him from doing so. Poor bastard.

[Anonymous No.14266941]

>>14266856
The Dashnami Sampradaya that is the main monastic group associated with Shankara has no caste requirements whatsoever, and the same is true of certain other non-dual sects like Lingayatism who reject caste, sex, race etc as qualifiers. There are many Hindu sects who admit and initiate westerners but the specific details depends on the sect, there is just no pan-Hindu conversion procedure. If one is ceremonially adopted into an Indian family one receives as part of that their caste as well. The man who bought Guenon's house for him in Cairo was an English Jew who traveled to India, studied under gurus and was initiated there. I think Guenon's decision was more to do with it being more practical and easier to become Muslim and more in line with his desire to have a family life.

[Anonymous No.14267015]

>>14266941
>I think Guenon's decision was more to do with it being more practical and easier to become Muslim and more in line with his desire to have a family life.
so he just wasn't committed then? He wanted the easy way out and had internal desires? seems like a fraud to his cause, one wanders why he didn't just set up his own ashram in a remote french village instead of selfishly using Sufism in cairo as a vehicle for his own gain.

[Anonymous No.14267140]

>>14263445
High quality shitpost OP I'm very proud of you