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14240720 No.14240720[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Are you capable of brutal honesty?

I don't think most people are, and I think it's a big part of being a good writer. For example, I'm in a relationship. The pretence is I'm the loving other half, that I'll always love them, that I'll always be here for them. But if I'm honest with myself I don't love them and I haven't loved anyone ever. I'm in love with the idea of it all, I'm a worthless leech who can't hold down a job because I hate people and they hate me, so my partners high flying career gives my life a sense of momentum. I'm riding in their slipstream and gaining all the benefits with none of the negatives. I fully realise this makes me a horrible person and if they ever found out they'd be well within their rights to kill me, but I don't think my case is all that rare. I think a lot of relationships are like this, and it works because the one being leeched on is, to most people, an insufferable cunt no one else will put up with. We get along sure, we could be casual friends. Might as well be, the sex died years ago. But we go on together, too comfortable to split and start anew, too distant to ever really have a genuine connection.

It's like subconscious knowledge we both innately know but neither speaks aloud, afraid of it becoming real. The human mind really is amazing in how well it fools itself.

>> No.14240740

You go out of your way not to say your partner's gender. It's very telling.

>> No.14240758

>>14240740

It's because it doesn't exist. No person with a legit relationship would post on an imageboard.

>> No.14240810

>>14240740
It's not relevant.

If I said I was a man you'd think I'm gay or a cuck. If I said I was a woman you'd think "as expected of the bigger of gender". It's irrelevant and would only detail the thread.

>> No.14240815

>>14240758
What do you think happened to the hundreds of thousands of 15 year old posting 10 years ago? Still all virgins? Get real.

>> No.14240816

Not
>my mom looks best when she wears nothing

>> No.14240841

>>14240810
*Nigger of gender

Fucking autocorrect

>> No.14240876

>Therefore man is only disguise, lies and hypocrisy, towards oneself and towards others.
>Psacl

well yeah sure. ofc what you say applies to anyone. the funny thing is it even applies to incels who, deep inside, can't even know whether they're miserable or not. feeling miserable, esp. as an incel, is a feeling full of lies too.
I liked the novel Blood Dark, mainly because it tackles this issue (lack of being 'genuine', and still, realizing acutely that you lack being 'genuine', and that other people's views on you don't carry or reveal anything more genuine about yourself)
- anyway, yeah, there should be a relation with 'writing'. I dunno exactly. Usually writing is full of lies too, I mean, I don't mean 'world building' or whatever, it's just that, obviously, there's usually a deep part of yourself that will censor another deeper part. and that sucks. so, yeah, I guess writing implies trying to take off your skins one by one, or at least try. skins, as in onion's skins. There's this title by Günther Grass, 'onion skins' or something. Even if you kinda know that there won't be anything left if you manage to take all the skins off, it's still worth trying.

>> No.14240881

>>14240810
On the contrary, as your post shows. Nothing could be more relevant.

>> No.14240885

>>14240876
>typing Psacl instead of Pascal
fuck.

>> No.14240904

>>14240881
The thread is about honesty, not me. Try to keep up.

>> No.14240930

>>14240904
And you kick it off it in a most blatantly dishonest way.

>> No.14240936

>>14240930
It's irrelevant information.

Dishonest would be claiming to be one thing, when actually another. I'm just obscuring the truth, there's a difference. All it would do is derail the thread, so stop crying and contribute or get lost.

>> No.14240960

>>14240841
Well you're a phoneposter, so regardless of your sex, you're definitely a fag.

>> No.14240977

>>14240816
shame on you

>> No.14240978

>>14240960
He's a literal fag living off his sugar daddy and he thinks it's irrelevant. On the contrary, nothing is more relevant: faggots are incapable of real love, and that's where all his problems derive.

>> No.14240997

>>14240978
>He's a literal fag living off his sugar daddy
Now you're just making up lies to bait me into revealing the truth, try harder.

>> No.14241012

>>14240997
No one gives a fuck about your lame thread. Get over yourself.

>> No.14241028

>>14240720
As tall as a what?

>> No.14241038

>>14241028
a lord of the rings

>> No.14241043

>>14241012
You seem to care a lot as you've made more posts than I have

>> No.14241059

>>14241028
I think the kid was trying to say ladder
>ladder
>latr

>> No.14241382
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14241382

Here's some brutal honesty - people who post off-topic garbage so shamelessly they can't even tack on "books for this feel?" at the end of their blogging deserve to be castrated with a rusty dull knife.

>> No.14241414

>>14240720
based.

>> No.14241518

>>14241414
How in the fuck is any of that based?

>> No.14242013

>>14240816
Are you a shota?

>> No.14242064
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14242064

>>14240815
Ha... yeah... that’d be ridiculous...

>> No.14242074

>>14240978
Red pill me on gay love being impossible, I’m bi and I’ve never felt the slightest feeling of love for a man but I have for women and I’m curious if there’s an underlying reason.

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14242094

>>14240816
Based and mommypilled

>> No.14242099

>>14242074
Gay is just extreme narcissism. You can't love someone else if you love yourself that much; there's simply no room for someone else.

>> No.14242115

>>14240720
Gonna ignore the bottom text and just answer the original question. Brutal honesty is pathological. Part of being a properly socialized and kind human being is judging what people need to know and what will pointlessly hurt them. Sometimes you can tell when things that are “true” will be distorted into false perceptions by others (e.g. “I don’t really like that dress on you” becomes “I’m not attracted to you anymore.”)

>> No.14242146

>>14240720
Are you ok OP?

>> No.14242160

>>14242099
But I'm gay and I hate myself

>> No.14242174

>>14242115
But can you be brutally honest with yourself or do you not want to be/?

>> No.14242184

>>14242146
Yes, why wouldn't I be?

>> No.14242185

>>14242160
Narcissists can hate themselves. They often do.

>> No.14242212

>>14242185
How the fuck can you love and hate yourself at the same time?

>> No.14242238

>>14242212
Because the opposite of love isn't hate. The opposite of love is indifference.

>> No.14242272

>>14242238
that's the most idiotic thing I've read today, but ok

>> No.14242314

>>14242238
>>14242272
>Plato vs Aristotle, a neverending story

>> No.14242468

>No one but OP has the balls to be truly honest

>> No.14242514

>>14242468
OP has the balls to post something self-loathing on an anonymous image board, and give it the slightest literary twinge.
Look out, we got a badass here.

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14242520

>>14240720

Y'all are both just self centered westerners. Your rudimentary knowledge amounts to the existential crisis of your average prep school 15 year old. It has nothing to do with honesty. Your "honesty" is just an acknowledgement of your incredibly basic and uninteresting selfishness.

There's a billion uninteresting drags like you and your girlfriend clogging up the west with this sort of self-involved drivel.

>> No.14242560

>>14242514
And yet no one else on the board has the balls to be honest about themselves

>> No.14242574

>>14242520
Traditional marriages are no better.

The woman finds the man with the best genes who'll take her, the man does the same. People say they're "in love" but what they really mean is they're happy they've found a genetic partner of equal or higher perceived value than themselves.

You wouldn't marry your "true love" if she was 450lbs, had arthritis and narcolepsy. Free will is an illusion.

>> No.14242579

>>14242174
I will try to find this study, though I don’t have much hope I’ll succeed, that looked at a group of monks in northern India I think. The basic idea is that this group of monks constantly reminded themselves of their own mortality, it was central to their religious practice, but they turned out to be as uncomfortable with the idea of their own death and as disturbed by it as the average (Indian?) person.

I don’t want to lie to myself but I don’t believe that requires “brutal honesty.” Brutal honesty directed towards the self probably will eventually lead to an outsized focus on your negative traits, ways you have hurt people that you can never take back, regrets, etc. I don’t think thats helpful. There is so much that is true in the world, even that is true about yourself and your life, that you have some degree of choice about what you can focus on/think about while remaining honest.

>> No.14242593

>>14242579
White lies are still lies. You don't even have to say the truth out loud to anyone, but can you admit it to yourself?

>> No.14242598

>>14240816
based

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14242605

>>14240816
Nice

>> No.14242621

>>14242574
>You wouldn't marry your "true love" if she was 450lbs, had arthritis and narcolepsy.

My true love takes care of herself, so it couldn't be that sow.

>> No.14242640

>>14242621
>My true love takes care of herself
Oh well isn't that convenient...

"Oh I love you dear, you're the one for me, forever and ever...oh you're fat now fuck off". You're lying to yourself.

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>>14242574

This is just Holden Caufield levels of boring teen angst. If you are a grown man who legitimately thinks like this, you should read more. This sort of generic western angst is such a pathetic excuse for an interesting or challenging world view. It's just Rick and Morty pushed through a self-serious lens.

Thinking in babybrain Disney concepts like "true love" and "traditional marriage."

Once again, pathetic. Read more.

It isn't even an interesting way to be sad or cynical. Insane that there are people in the world who consider themselves literary academics or "writers" or whatever who contain this level of teenage dread. Just give up. Become an accountant or something.

>> No.14242663

>>14242593
Did you read what I was saying at all? It’s not a lie not to dwell on the fact that you and everyone you love will die. “Brutal honesty” imo requires holding facts like that in your mind. You can be honest without occupying yourself with these facts.

If you’re talking about interactions with other people, white lies are fine and as I said before can sometimes leave people with an understanding of the world that is closer to the “truth”

>> No.14242667

>>14242663
>It’s not a lie not to dwell on the fact that you and everyone you love will die
Yes it is.

>> No.14242673

>>14242652
All I hear from you is "wahhh wahhh wahh" and no actual arguments.

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>>14242673

It's beneath me.

>> No.14242702

>>14242692
But crying like a baby isn't?

>> No.14242705

>>14242667
No it’s not, you’re not saying you won’t die, which would be a lie, you’re saying “I think I’ll make myself some tea” “I’m excited to hang out with friends later” “my cat is such a cute and fluffy goof” “I hope she likes me back” and so on, all things that are also true.

>> No.14242744

>>14242705
Avoiding reality is just lying to yourself.

And the reality is yes, you will die one day. So you should plan your life accordingly instead of sticking your head in the sand.

>> No.14242749

>>14242640
If you can’t understand how physical appearance (or more specifically weight and body type) reflects personality through willingness to exercise and healthy choice of diet then you’re either retarded or a delusional landwhale.

>> No.14242761

>>14242640
how can you have a loving relationship with someone that can't love themself?

>> No.14242768

>>14242744
Thinking constantly and obsessively about death is avoiding reality. Death is not the only thing that is true. What are all the true things you’d ignore if you focused on only one? Nowhere did I say you shouldn’t plan for it, just that there’s no need to dwell on it.

>> No.14242775

>>14242768
>Death is not the only thing that is true
It's the only thing that's certain to happen.

>> No.14242780

>>14242775
That's exactly why you don't need to dwell in it

>> No.14242789

>>14242761
What kind of mentally ill nutcase loves themselves?

That's American psych babble, no normal person would honestly say "I love myself". What the fuck?

>> No.14242797

>>14242749
If you can't understand how notions of romance and love are incompatible with qualifiers then you're a delusional retard and lying when you say you love someone.

>> No.14242798

>>14242775
It’s also true that you are very very unlikely to die in the immediate future and you’re being dishonest by fixating on that fact to the exclusion of all else. Look if you wanna be a teen doomer there’s nothing I can do to stop you, but there’s nothing more honest about that way of life than something happier and more joyful, for the reasons I’ve already explained.

>> No.14242803

>>14242780
Not true.

People who don't dwell on it live pathetic lives. "Tomorrow my real life begins" is what they tell themselves every night.

>> No.14242808

>>14242798
>than something happier and more joyful
Reality doesn't care about your joy or happiness and the fact you think it's an attainable goal instead of a fleeting state of being is worrying.

>> No.14242812

>>14240758
I'm married and to a woman

>> No.14242817

>>14242212
Part of narcissism is an obsession with how you're perceived by others - constantly seeking admiration and approval is likely to cause one to feel a great deal of self loathing.

>> No.14242826

>>14242272
It's like how the worst film ever is Legend (1986) not because it's bad but because it is exactly the most in between and average thing there is is cinema.

Do not fall for the trick that average is bad. Bad can be good though, and good can be bad too because of palates and subjectivity.

>> No.14242829

>>14242808
I never said anything about permanence, now go put on some Elliot smith or something

>> No.14242833

>>14242829
>I never said anything about permanence
The fact you even brought it up to begin with says more than enough

>> No.14242840

>>14242803
Not really. The person who leads a pathetic life is the person who self-proclaims a nihilist, and then stays pathetic with the excuse of "nothing matters"

Sure, you can think about death, but dwelling on it too much can only be detrimental desu senpai

>> No.14242846

>>14242826
>the worst film ever is only just mediocre
Spoken like a true retard

What is your favorite book?

>> No.14242849

>>14242833
You’re the one who brought up a “fleeting state”! Didn’t this start out as a convo about honesty? That’s what I was referring to, to me this implied that you believed that because things are fleeting they have no value or are unimportant, only certain and/or permanent things matter. Maybe to the universe yes but to people no.

>> No.14242857

>>14242840
>who leads a pathetic life is the person who self-proclaims a nihilist, and then stays pathetic with the excuse of "nothing matters"
Why? How is that a contradiction?
>but dwelling on it too much can only be detrimental
To your delusions, and if your life is built on delusions then I understand why you're afraid.

>> No.14242862

>>14242212
narcissism isn't loving yourself, it's being obsessed with yourself. gay people are universally severely damaged individuals trapped in their own heads acting out fetishistic simulations of what they perceive love to be. they imitate real relationships (cohabitation, penetrative intercourse) with none of the spark. the reason why it's worth bringing up and assailing is that people who follow this pattern will insist it's normal and spread their toxicity. no, not "they'll turn others gay" but other people will assume that an unspoken cynical hatred for their SO is perfectly acceptable and produce broken children.

>> No.14242866

>>14242846
Thus Spoke Zarathustra

>> No.14242871

>>14242849
>but to people no.
*people who lie to themselves, which is almost everyone

>> No.14242877

>>14242862
>SO
>Toxicity
Go back where you came from zoomer

>> No.14242880

>>14242846
The Deluxe Transitive Vampire

>> No.14242890

>>14242877
>le generational insults
im 27. i believe that makes me shitlennial. be mad somewhere else, toxicity and a shorthand for husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend don't belong to tumblr or wherever else. i can't believe how quickly this board was ruined. i'd swear it was slated for demolition by a discord group.

>> No.14242894

>>14242857
It's not like one has infinite delusions, anon, once you come to terms with your mortality there's no reason in obsessing over death.

Also what confuses you about the first statement?

>> No.14242896

>>14242890
>toxicity and a shorthand for husband/wife/boyfriend/girlfriend don't belong to tumblr or wherever else
pfffffffffftttttttttt

They sure as fuck don't belong here you soi addled cuck, get the fuck out

>> No.14242909

>>14242896
>arguing against gay relationships
>soi/cuck
nah, you're mad. why not try arguing your point, since we're on /lit/?

>> No.14242911

>>14242894
>It's not like one has infinite delusions
Most people are nothing BUT layered delusions
>Also what confuses you about the first statement?
If a nihilist declares their belief that nothing matters, why would they do anything more than they have to do? Why would they tryhard the fuck out of life when they believe it's pointless?

"B-But it's equally pointless to stagnate!" So? It's easier, of course they'll choose the easier option when they believe neither matters.

>> No.14242914

>>14242871
If the only words you spoke were “the sun will rise tomorrow”, that was the only thing you thought about and the only response you offered to people, you would rightfully be called insane.

You know what’s true for me right now? I’m about to go to dinner with my family and see people I love who I don’t spend as much time with as I’d like. Good luck and I hope you find a way to reconcile being true to yourself with having a life well lived.

>> No.14242918

>>14242909
Take your faggot vernacular and fuck off, SO is some cringe fucking shit. "I-I-I don't want to assume your sexual orientation/gender m'xir".

>> No.14242932

>>14242911
That's what I said, anon, that a pathetic person won't magically become Napoleon just because he started thinking about death

Also, would you give some examples of the delusions you talk about?

>> No.14242934

>>14242918
it's shorthand. im a registered republican. what the fuck are you even mad about?

>> No.14242936

>>14242934
Don't expect much from /lit/ posters, anon

>> No.14242951

>>14242936
/lit/ used to be 75% quality posts as little as one year ago. this person is not a /lit/ native, i'd imagine you aren't either if you think this is at all normal. the last 6 months the catalog has gotten visibly worse daily.

>> No.14242952

>>14242914
>you would rightfully be called insane
I disagree.
> I’m about to go to dinner with my family and see people I love who I don’t spend as much time with as I’d like
If your father was a pedophile you'd disown him, if your mother told you you were a mistake you'd disown her, if your sister watched her nigger bf beat you you'd disown her, if your brother stole your wife you'd disown him.

Your love is fickle and easily lost, the same is true for your family members, the sooner your honest with yourself the sooner you can start living.

>> No.14242959

>>14242934
>it's shorthand
Say GF/Wife. Why are you inventing solutions to non existent problems? There's no women here, there's no faggots here. SO is used by tumblr trannies who don't want to offend anyone.

>> No.14242962

>>14242951
I've been away but recently was wrongfully banned from /sp/ so now I'm back

>> No.14242964

>>14242951
Oh, I know.
I started posting again like a week ago and it is tangibly shittier than like a year ago as you said. I thought it was that some /leftypol/ people started posting but the torrent of shit isn't coming exclusively from the communists lol

>> No.14242966

The autism is strong this evening. Who fucking cares if the nigger wants to write SO why are you so delightfully triggered?

>> No.14242971

>>14240720
Brutal honesty is a sigh of autism

>> No.14242976

>>14242952
This is why I like cats

>> No.14242979

>>14242952
But why spend time thinking about these things when none of them are true and my real and loving family is here? Who’s denying reality now? I’m not gonna live in a hypothetical world I’m gonna immerse myself in reality.

>> No.14242985

>>14242797
You must have a child’s understanding of love
It isn’t irrational to feel less love for someone if it turns out they weren’t quite the person you thought they were
Only an extremely immature person could see love as something that is completely unconditional, the only people I know who’ve thought that way are children, skinnyfat inoffensive liberal nerdy guys, and emotionally manipulative women

>> No.14242986

>>14242959
nah, ill use whatever phrases i want. i give less than zero fucks about tumblr or identity politics, im not inventing an imaginary problem or whatever else. you've steeped yourself in the internet culture war to the point you get triggered at an innocuous shorthand and shitpost at people who, ultimately, are on "your side". luckily your vocabulary (such as it is) hits my filter every post you've made so without unhiding your shit i don't have to read your drivel.

>> No.14243010

>>14242985
dingdingding
this anon
>>14242797
has a completely secular and disney-fueled idea of love, even worse he can't conceive of anyone having a different perspective since he argues his point so passionately. love is a daily renewal give and take. it's a contract. if one party fails their expectations, love dies.

>> No.14243017

>>14242932
>that a pathetic person
I don't believe nihilists are pathetic

>Also, would you give some examples of the delusions you talk about?
Money/Jobs.

We'll skip past the usual "oh em gee I have so much passion for my career" bollocks people spout and get to the crux of the issue: people want to survive. If you ask someone why do you have a job, they'll give you a hundred answers but the only important one is "I need money to feed, cloth and house myself". But that's not true. People honestly believe without a job or the support of the government you'd die or be destined to a miserable life. Humans and our ancestors survived for millennia without jobs or money. Through inherited knowledge they learned to feed, cloth and house themselves with nothing but their own body and mind. You could train yourself in 3 years to regain the knowledge of millions of years of survival, you'd be a god. So what do people really mean when they say they need money to survive? They mean comfort. They crave it, comfort is the drug of choice of civlised man.

But comfort is your enemy, it's not rewarding in itself, it's fleeting and impossible to grasp. So life in society becomes a game of the carrot on the stick, you want comfort, you get it but you're soon dissatisfied and a new shiny carrot comes along and off you go. But it's hard to admit the truth, that society really only offers you a rigged game. It's hard to break free of the flow when it's all you've ever known. So people lie to themselves that this is as good as it gets so make the best of it. They lie and pretend life outside and before society was misery, drudgery and hell and that all the billions of other fauna on earth are just too stupid to realise it.

>> No.14243034

>>14242986
>He uses filters
Yeah, definitely a tumblr tranny refugee

>> No.14243046

>>14243017

So you are advocating for cynicism?

>> No.14243060

>>14242979
>But why spend time thinking about these things when none of them are true
But they are true.

Why spend your precious time on earth with people who'd abandon you given the right mix of circumstances?

If you've got a father who'd stand by as you raped a 3 year old and treat you no differently than before you did it, then congratulations. But I doubt you do. And no, that's not the sole judge of a genuine person but it's a good example. If they stand by you through something like that, then they'll stick with you through anything.

>> No.14243063

>>14243034
i don't think you believe what you're saying. i think you're mad about the point i made about homosexual relationships and you're attempting to "fight fire with fire". no right wing thinking anon would have an issue with filters, they're borderline essential to navigate past the curated marketing, shitposts, discord invaders etc.

you have a goal in mind and im going to let my script do it's thing since you've done nothing but expose shilling/disruption methods to everyone in this thread.

>> No.14243070

>>14242985
>You must have a child’s understanding of love
I don't believe in love, but under the common standards of love qualifiers are not compatible. It's "I love you", not "I love you but".

>> No.14243082

>>14242985
>Only an extremely immature person could see love as something that is completely unconditional
Then what's the point of it?

If "your" love is a give and take, then how does that not make you a prostitute?

>> No.14243105

>>14243082
Only God is able to give you unconditional Love, anon

>> No.14243139

>>14243046
Almost but not quite.

I'm advocating for unfiltered honesty for yourself and others. Of course there's no need to ever speak it out loud to another person, for the sole reason that only someone already brutally honest with themselves can receive brutal honesty without it destroying them. Like telling your mother you don't care about her, you care about what she represents. It's needlessly cruel and doesn't benefit anyone.

However you should be as honest with yourself as you can be, every second of your life. You should discard your delusions of not only your own beliefs but what you think you offer others and what they think of you. If you find it hard to get the attentions of women, look at yourself and your life and ask "what do I offer women" and if your answer is fat, surly, balding, unsociable and weak then is it any wonder women aren't climbing over one another to get at you? Make no mistake, all human interaction is give and take. If you have nothing to give that people want, you can't expect to take anything in return.

>> No.14243145

>>14243082
human love is fundamentally broken and flawed. this should be self evident. that's why we need a romanticized
>I-it's not "I love you BUT!"
because actually, that's exactly what it is. welcome to the jungle.

>> No.14243151

>>14243063
>Running away and hiding behind filters and passive aggression
Yep, DEFINITELY a tranny

>> No.14243161

>>14243070
>I love you but...
...I wouldn’t love you if you revealed to be a different person than I thought you were because my concept of ‘you’ was wrong, if it turns out that the ‘you’ I loved doesn’t exist or never existed then I didn’t ‘love you but...’, I found out that the thing I love doesn’t exist
>>14243082
See above, it isn’t love that’s being taken away, it turns out that the thing you love isn’t there anymore

>> No.14243166

>>14243105
I don't believe in god

>> No.14243182

>>14243166
then for you, love really doesn't exist. there is only one source.

>> No.14243198

>>14243139
That's like... Obvious, don't you think?

There's this book called "12 rules for life" that you may enjoy.

I just don't quite get, well, why post this thread on /lit/

>> No.14243199

>>14243161
>I wouldn’t love you if you revealed to be a different person than I thought you were
Why not?

If your love is so fickle why give it in the first place since it's destined to hurt the other person. If you're going to immortalise someone in your mind and any deviation too far off your ideal image of them is sin then why bother with the real person at all? Why not just love the idea in your mind and save them the heartache?

It's like you want to play with them like they're a toy, and when they don't do the funny thing anymore then they're thrown in the trash. Your love is incredibly ugly.

>> No.14243210

>>14243198
>That's like... Obvious, don't you think?
You say that but every day you lie to yourself. Anyone who's ever been cheated on or betrayed by a friend is someone who lied to themselves.

>> No.14243215

>>14243210
what does any of this have to do with literature

>> No.14243216

>>14243199
Did you go through a rough break up recently, anon?

It's alright to feel a little resentful but don't let a bad experience stunt any other potential relationships you could have

>> No.14243221

>>14243199
that's all human love. human love is ugly. we all love idealizations and not the real thing. nobody can really give the romantic disney-esque love you're talking about, it isn't real. you're mad at the human condition.

>> No.14243225

>>14243210
>anyone who's ever been cheated or betrayed by a friend is someone who lied to themselves
Not always. There is always the possibility you were lied to.

>> No.14243254

>>14243225
>There is always the possibility you were lied to.
You were lied to because you lied to yourself first. You can never trust anyone, believing you can is lying to yourself.

>> No.14243262

>>14243216
>Did you go through a rough break up recently, anon?
No
>It's alright to feel a little resentful but don't let a bad experience stunt any other potential relationships you could have
Why are you rambling on before I even answer you?

>> No.14243272

>>14243221
I'm not mad at all and I don't even believe in love. I'm simple pointing out the delusion of the guy I replied to.

>>14243215
/lit/ is the de facto philosophy board.

And I swear to christ if you tro to fucking quote the goddamn rules at me I'll punch you in the throat you nasal voiced faggot.

>> No.14243275

>>14243262
Because I have a feeling I am right and that you're not being completely honest right now desu

>> No.14243284

>>14243254
Eeeeehh I mean I guess there's no way to make sure you're not being lied to, but living your life as a sad autist isn't the best way to, anon

>> No.14243296

>>14243272
>/lit/ is the de facto philosophy board.
yes, but you're just blogposting and self justifying. none of this raises interesting philosophical questions. we all know why brutal honesty is unpalatable etc. this is 101 shit you're dredging up for cathartic relief. your ideas are floor level and you're bringing the board down with you.

>> No.14243305

>>14243296
>yes, but you're just blogposting and self justifying
Every philosophy book ever written is a blogpost

>> No.14243307

>>14243296
At least it's not another Ducks, Newberryport thread desu senpai

>> No.14243313

>>14240978
based

>> No.14243319
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>>14243275
>Are you this
No
>I don't believe you
pic related

>> No.14243321

>>14243307
ill give you that, but this shit is incredibly weak and the content of the thread is ass. most anons correctly called out the thread in the first half and the second half is open hostility and shitposting everywhere.

>>14243305
there are varying strata of blogposting. this op is coming to terms with something so basic it belongs in /r9k/, which this board is being turned into. smart /r9k/ and it "fucking sucks".

>> No.14243326

>>14243284
>but living your life as a sad autist isn't the best way to, anon
Says the guy who gets cheated on and betrayed...

>> No.14243329

>>14243321
>this op is coming to terms with something so basic it belongs in /r9k/
Then why are the posters ITT struggling so hard with it? /lit/ isn't as intelligent as you seem to believe.

>> No.14243331

>>14243319
You just sound pretty resentful for some reason. Does your age start with 1?

Asking for a friend uwu

>> No.14243334

>>14243321
>most anons correctly called out the thread in the first half
Where? All I see is pissbabies crying about "off topic" and a handful of people saying "nuh uhh!".

>> No.14243338

>>14243331
I'm 28

>> No.14243340

>>14243321
It's not like interesting threads gain any traction anymore, sadly

I also doubt that /lit/ really is smarter than /r9k/ lol

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>>14243199
Why yes, I want to play with them like they're a toy, and when they don't do the funny thing anymore then they're thrown in the trash, how could you tell?

>> No.14243346

>>14243338
xd
28 and still in the edgy phase?

Anon...

>> No.14243349

>>14243341
If that's how you live and you don't try to glamorise it then I can respect that, but people who hide behind love are just lying to themselves.

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>>14243346
>edgy edgy edgy hahah I called him edgy
You're not summoning exodia retard, form an argument or get lost

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>>14243199
>my love is fickle because it’s dependant on the reasons I fell in love with the person being maintained
I don’t know what I can say, this seems like a fair opinion to hold. it’s not like I’d drop someone immediately, I’d try to fix the relationship first for a significant amount of time until things begin to improve. However I will not stay in a relationship with someone who can never be what I want just to spare their feelings

>> No.14243377

>>14243349
I’m sorry for the meme response anon, that wasn’t true, I’m not a psychopath, I just thought it might make some people laugh. Here’s my actual response >>14243362

>> No.14243385

>>14243356
It's just that your philosophy is entry level stuff, man. I was having the same thoughts when I was 15 years old. And it isn't even productive at that. Is it realky beneficial for your social interactions that you're constantly thinking about the possibility that everyone will backstab you at any moment? Sure, some people are assholes and they're going to hurt you but the answer to that isn't to become resentful at the world and at human nature, senpai

>> No.14243389

>>14243362
>my love is fickle because it’s dependant on the reasons I fell in love with the person being maintained
Yes.

You don't fall in love with the person, because people are always changing. You fell in love with an object, and when the object changed you didn't want it anymore. Your "love" is nothing more than run of the mill hunger. Except instead of a nice juicy steak you wanted a living breathing mona lisa.

Why not just be honest and admit you treat people like objects that exist solely to please your eye?

>> No.14243398

>>14243385
>It's just that your philosophy is entry level stuff, man
Then why come in here and whine and cry at me? Get on with your life, I'm not your babysitter.

>> No.14243402

>>14243398
???
Didn't you create the thread to discuss your ideas?

>> No.14243407

>>14243385
>Resentful
This is all inside your head. Why do you keep associating undiluted truth with resentment? No one in here brought up resentment but you. You're arguing against a ghost inside your head.

>> No.14243415

>>14243402
With people interested in discussing them, not whiny crybabies who only came in to go "heh kid, I had those thoughts 2 years ago when I was 15". No one cares, you contribute nothing. Go away.

>> No.14243416

>>14243407
It's more the way you convey your ideas that makes it sound that way, I suppose

>> No.14243422

>>14243415
Am I not discussing them with you?

I made a point on why maybe your philosophy towards human relationships may be counterproductive to you, why not try thinking about that instead

>> No.14243432

>>14243422
>Am I not discussing them with you?
Obviously not, you're just whining. In which case, why are you wasting your life in this thread?

>> No.14243435

>>14243389
>people are always changing
I’m not in love with a person as they are at literally that moment, I know change happens, but I should be able to define what it is about someone that attracts me to them, I’m not going to drop someone instantly without trying to find reasons to love them but if there aren’t any Then there’s no point continuing. I don’t understand what’s strange about this idea, your point of view is
>you treat people like objects that exist solely to please your eye
The weight thing was just an example, this mainly applies to someone’s personality, my initial point was that physical appearance is itself to some extent) an extension of personality. Your point of view on love seems to be that of someone who relies on codependency and that you put the other persons happiness above all else even if it’s damaging

>> No.14243434

>>14243422
>why not try thinking about that instead
I did, for 1.5 seconds, and then I moved on

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>>14243105
God's love is conditional

Only a living person, and usually a mother for a child gives unconditional love, you absolute turd.

>> No.14243452

>>14243435
>I don’t understand what’s strange about this idea
I don't understand why you'd engage in a lie with someone you know one day will change enough for you to leave them

>> No.14243455

>>14243432
Becuase it is interesting desu

But if you're so uncomfortable with me questioning your beliefs, sure, I can stop.

Though it may not hurt too much to reconsider how you look at interpersonal relationships.

Anyway, have a nice day anon, and I hope you feel better about your breakup soon <3

>> No.14243462

>>14243435
>my initial point was that physical appearance is itself to some extent) an extension of personality.
But it's not, you just don't want to appear shallow and flat out say you'll only love someone if you find them physically attractive.

>> No.14243464

>>14243437
What God are you thinking about?

>> No.14243469

Brutal honesty is my default state. I consciously add layers between my thoughts and what comes out of my mouth to communicate in a fashion suitable for the recipient. This effort grows reflexive with practice but can be taxing in atypical situations.

>>14240720
>if I'm honest with myself I don't love them and I haven't loved anyone ever.
Most everybody don't realize that this is the case with themselves. Self-awareness will make you question if your emotions are genuine when you feel you can see & control them.
Learn to accept emotions that come to you without your personal influence as your own genuine feelings.

>I'm in love with the idea of it all
This is just an extension of your loving your situation. You have someone you love and are living a life you love with them. It's only natural to derive from this that you would love such a concept. Whether you loved the concept before the fact or came to love it after living it is irrelevant.

tl;dr: We all project our own perceptions on reality. Learn to avoid consciously interfering with that perception via self-analysis.

>> No.14243471

>>14243455
>But if you're so uncomfortable with me questioning your beliefs
But you're not, you're making vague assumptions and then when I tell you to stop you start insulting my views as childish. And now you're trying to take the moral high ground.

Stop sulking and either leave or act like an adult.

>> No.14243473

>>14243462
A fat person and a skinny person have absolutely different personalities

>> No.14243486

>>14243471
I'm just asking in which way does it benefit you to adopt such a philosophy in the dimension of social relationships

>> No.14243488

>>14243473
>A fat person and a skinny person have absolutely different personalities
Wrong. I've never heard anything so retarded in my life.

Go on, tell me what a "skinny person" personality is then.

>> No.14243495

>>14243469
>Learn to avoid consciously interfering with that perception via self-analysis
Correction: Learn to avoid interfering with that perception by not being overly self-analytical.

>> No.14243502

>>14243452
>someone you know one day will change enough for you to leave them
But I don’t know that they’ll change so much that I’ll want to leave. Love is (among other things) a gamble that you hope you and the other person will remain happy forever (not constant happiness of course, there will be issues to work around), if I enter a relationship, I hope it’s going to last the rest of my life

>> No.14243510

>>14243486
>I'm just asking in which way does it benefit you to adopt such a philosophy
Because it's how I see the world, it's not something I thought "hey this'd be cool". Throwing on philosophical beliefs like they're a fashionable pair of shoes ensures you'll always remain in the dark. Philosophy isn't about attaching things to yourself to improve your body, it's about chiselling away at your soul and like an artist is never truly satisfied so should you never be truly content with yourself.

>> No.14243515

>>14243502
>But I don’t know that they’ll change so much that I’ll want to leave
Then you're either an idiot or extremely optimistic

>> No.14243524

>>14243488
A fat person compared to a skinny person can have some traits that the skinny person doesn't, like
>being extroverted
>less discipline
>disregard for their body image

Of course, this is assuming that both the fate and the skinny person ahve the same access to food

>> No.14243525

>>14243462
>>14243488
A physically in shape person will be far more conscious of their health than a fat person, this demonstrates ( among other things) that they think ahead more, that they’re willing to do hard work and deny themselves pleasurable things in order to maintain health (ie long term gain)
Your fixation on the comment about weight and your denial of the reality that fat/out of shape people are that way because of decisions they make has made it clear that you are a horrendously flawed person seeking to justify your poor behaviour rather than admitting you have a problem and solving it

>> No.14243529

>>14243515
I’m optimistic, and you are extremely pessimistic if you assume they’ll change so much that you won’t want to be with them anymore

>> No.14243532

>>14243529
My opinion is more likely to happen than yours, unfortunately for you. Change is the only constant.

>> No.14243537

>>14243464
Yhwh and Jesus both

>> No.14243539

>>14243524
There's extroverted skinny people and introverted fat people. There's skinny people with shit discipline and disregard for body image.

What are you on about?

>> No.14243545

>>14243437
That's not really a criticism, Butterfly. :3

>> No.14243546

>>14243525
That's nothing to do with personality and ignores the fact there's just as many skinny eople with poor long term planning.

>> No.14243548

>>14243532
>change is the only constant
>I’m better than you because I’m negative and assume it’ll go to shit
>fuck hoping for the best and maturely dealing with problems that do arise, I’ll just presume it’s shit then wallow in misery
If you are underage it shows, if you aren’t underage you have serious problems because your emotional maturity is on par with an edgy 16 year old girl

>> No.14243556

>>14242775
No it isn't. You're making an inductive inference based on the fact that the majority of humans who have lived throughout history are now dead. Read Hume.

>> No.14243563

>>14242789
You are sad. You really can't a imagine a human who takes responsibility for themselves and their own contentment or satisfaction.

>> No.14243566

>>14243548
Calm down

>> No.14243572

>>14243563
>You really can't a imagine a human who takes responsibility for themselves and their own contentment or satisfaction.
I can, but to describe it as loving yourself makes me want to vomit.

>> No.14243578

>>14242911
Do you even know anything about Nihilism? Its not about just giving up. Same with existentialism. These philosophies aren't just doom and gloom. They actually read like calls to action.

>> No.14243582

>>14243556
>No it isn't
Yes it is, you and hume can go bum each other in the bushes

>> No.14243583

>>14243510
But philosophy should serve you in some way. I mean, sure, you may be right abotu not being able to trust some people, but leaving it like that and not providing a solution to the question of "then how should I treat other people in my day-to-day"?

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>>14243546
How is someone’s decision to take care of themselves not related to their personality? I’m not saying that all in shape people are better than all out of shape people but I’m explaining it as one (among many) indicator of personality because literally everything someone does is indicative of personality, it’s what fucking defines them as a person, and by that I mean their personality defines them, not their weight before you attempt to twist meaning and support you self assurances that there’s nothing wrong with you, you are clearly someone who doesn’t like to take responsibility for their life deluded into believing that everyone else is wrong

>> No.14243589

>>14243578
>They actually read like calls to action.
No, they don't. You're projecting your optimists worldview onto a pessimist ideology.

>> No.14243592

>>14243539
Put it this way: if given the same circumstances, one person becomes fat and another stays skinny, there is a difference in personality

>> No.14243595

>>14240936
>obscuring the truth
>not dishonesty

>> No.14243597

>>14243583
>But philosophy should serve you in some way
Wrong, read more

>> No.14243603

>>14243537
>yhwh
>god

>> No.14243617

>>14243597
>A philosophy has value even if it's useless
That's a contradiction if I've ever heard one.

>> No.14243627

>>14243586
>How is someone’s decision to take care of themselves not related to their personality?
How is not caring about being fat refusing to take care of yourself? What you really mean is they're refusing to try to look attractive to you and you're butthurt about that fact.

>> No.14243634

>>14243592
>there is a difference in personality
Or experiences, culture, trauma etc.

>> No.14243638

>>14243627
Not caring about fat and caring about fat is a difference in personality right there.

>> No.14243640

>>14243617
Philosophy isn't a sword, it's a torch

>> No.14243646

>>14243634
See >>14243638

>> No.14243648

>>14243638
No it's not

>> No.14243671

>>14243640
A torch also has a purpose senpai

>> No.14243673

>>14243627
>How is not caring about being fat refusing to take care of yourself?
Because being overweight is unhealthy and everyone knows it, I’m not saying there isn’t leeway, I don’t have strict standards and it possible to be a bit overweight and lead a happy healthy life. But if you can’t see how being obese would demonstrate that you aren’t taking care of yourself then there is absolutely no hope for you. Not caring about something vs caring about something is a difference in personality anyway

>> No.14243676

>>14243648
It's not because...?

>> No.14243680

>>14243671
I never said it doesn't, but it doesn't exist to "serve" you is my point. It's a tool not a weapon.

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>>14243627
>>14243648
>m-my weight isn’t a problem! It has no reflection on who I am on the inside! What do you mean this was caused by my mistakes?! That can’t be right! Now if you’ll excuse me I’m going to eat another pizza and drink some more diet soda...

>> No.14243701

>>14243680
Sure, I suppose. Though a tool also "serves" you, but that's entering into semantics and honestly I already forgot what I was going to ask you lmao

I have to say that I actually don't disagree with your honesty schtick, but at the same time I think that the way you view love and social relationships is a bit autistic and that in that way you could maybe benefit in rethinking it a little bit

>> No.14243709

>>14243699
>what do you mean diet soda isn't that much better than regular soda?! IT HAS ARTIFICIAL SWEETENERS IT SAYS RIGHT HERE!!!

>> No.14243712

>>14243680
>It's a tool not a weapon.
A tool exists to serve you. You're really not paying attention to the analogies you're creating, huh?

>> No.14243715

>>14243603
To some people, sadly.

>> No.14243765

>>14243715
Shut up you fat rancid bitch.

>> No.14243894

>>14243437
Your God Yahweh is not our God.

>> No.14243904

>>14243537
You're clearly a secular Jew. Are you paid to lurk here?

>> No.14244196

>>14243894
It's a god. certainly not mine. Which god is yours?

>>14243904
You are in error.