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>"Before an object can move any distance, it must first move through an infinite series of fractions of that distance; but since one can never actually get through an infinite series of steps, no distance can be moved through at all."

t. Parmenides

refute this (protip you can't)

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>>14236874
Infinity doesn’t exist, silly

>> No.14236931

>>14236874
>"Before an object can move any distance, it must first move through an infinite series of fractions of that distance; but since one can never actually get through an infinite series of steps, no distance can be moved through at all."
Isn't the point of that quote that you can argue any nonsense if you put your mind into it?

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14236942

>>14236874
UUUUUH WATCH ME DO IT YES YES YOU LIKE IT SEE MY SHIT FACE WALKING IN YOU PSEUD AND ANTIQUATED DESCRIPTION OF INFINITY

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>>14236874
show me the infinite fractions of that distance

now show me the finite, knowable fractions of that distance

then explain to me how time isn't knowable only in finite and cyclical spans

>>14236931
this

>> No.14236954

>>14236931
No, he is saying that motion, change and time are illusions, and that reality is an unchanging eternal One.

>> No.14236960

>>14236942
Nietzsche BTFOing parmesan cheese
http://nietzsche.holtof.com/Nietzsche_various/Nietzsche_on_Parmenides.htm

>> No.14236970

>>14236960
Nietzsche is not a philosopher. He is a pseudointellectual rhetoritician with a bad reading in Greek metaphysics. He was the Jordan Peterson of his time. Read Guenon

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Doesn't BTFO Whitehead or process philosophy at all. Whitehead is simply on another level. Parmenedes is kiddie philosophy that you learn about in a 101 class.

"In the inescapable flux, there is something that abides; in the overwhelming permanence, there is an element that escapes into flux.Permanence can be snatched only out of flux; and the passing moment can find its adequate intensity only by its submission to permanence."

"In this way God is completed by the individual, fluent satisfactions of finite fact, and the temporal occasions are completed by their everlasting union with their transformed selves, purged into conformation with the eternal order which is the final absolute 'wisdom.' The final summary can only be expressed in terms of a group of antitheses, whose apparent self-contradictions depend on neglect of the diverse categories of existence. In each antithesis there is a shift of meaning which converts the opposition into a contrast.

It is as true to say that God is permanent and the World fluent, as that the World is permanent and God is fluent.

It is as true to say that God is one and the World many, as that the World is one and God many.

It is as true to say that, in comparison with the World, God is actual eminently, as that, in comparison with God, the World is actual eminently.

It is as true to say that the World is immanent in God, as that God is immanent in the World.

It is as true to say that God transcends the World, as that the World transcends God.

It is as true to say that God creates the World, as that the World creates God...

What is done in the world is transformed into a reality in heaven, and the reality in heaven passes back into the world... In this sense, God is the great companion – the fellow-sufferer who understands."

>> No.14236995

Leibniz solved this with the infinitesimal, duh.

>> No.14236996

>>14236970
>Nietzsche is not a philosopher.

Explain also, who are you quoting?

>> No.14237007

>>14236996
Prizing the word philosophy is sophistry. If Nietzsche isnt a philosopher, all it is is an indictment to philosophy. Dont bother taking it as an insult.

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>>14236995

>> No.14237013

>>14236954
Ok. So, well, what does that mean? and if reality is an eternal One, so what?

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>>14236996
He is taking this copypasta
>Guenon is not a philosopher. He is a pseudointellectual rhetoritician with a bad reading in comparative religion. He was the Jordan Peterson of his time. There is nothing of value in his works and you should probably just read theory.

>> No.14237023

>>14236874
Categorical error. He got confused by the conceptual infinity of space with hardline reality. The smallest unit of measurement in reality is a planck's length, but that's for sub-atomic particles. For macroscopic limits, that is defined by our fine motor control over our limbs and our understanding of perceptual change, aka eyes that can follow >24fps

>> No.14237024

>>14237008
Take a calculus class and see how you can resolve infinities with limits and get back to me!

>> No.14237029

>>14236970
He thought that when the Stoics talked about 'nature' they were talking about trees and shit, that's how much of an idiot he was.

>> No.14237032

>>14237013
you'll find the answer to that question here

https://realization.org/p/ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita/richards.ashtavakra-gita.html

>> No.14237043

>>14237029
How will nitchy recover

>> No.14237045

>>14236874
the most trivial refutation is simply that objects move
but let's look at why
>it must first move through an infinite series of fractions of that distance
incorrect, energy is discrete and not infinitely divisible

>> No.14237055

>>14237023
>The smallest unit of measurement in reality is a planck's length
>The Planck length is the scale at which classical ideas about gravity and space-time cease to be valid, and quantum effects dominate.

The Planck length is just to where it gets so small they can't make sense of it anymore, i.e. it doesn't refute Parmenides point

>> No.14237063

>>14237024
not an argument

>> No.14237071

>>14236874
if there's no change, why did he die?

>BTFO

>> No.14237078

>>14237055
Err you got it bit confused. Planck length is where quantum mechanics start and operate on. Classical mechanics do not operate on planck length because limits of classical mechanics are much bigger on scale.

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>>14237071
only his body died, the eternal Soul liveth one

>> No.14237090

>>14237032
What a load of shit.

>> No.14237094

>>14236874
The laws of thermodynamics already refuted him

>> No.14237095

>>14237063
Ok try this on for size. What does it matter if language cannot reconcile this seeming contradiction of infinity and change when all of our physical reality, including mathematics itself can? Is this not just a blind, a literal shutting of the eyes to everything but one specific metaphysical realm, language? What does it matter if I can never explain Zeno's paradox with my words in a way that convinces you if the man does actually to where he was going instead of being stuck in an infinity of smaller and smaller fractions? Is this not an argument against the power of language itself, more than it is against change?

>> No.14237098

>>14237055
>The Planck length is just to where it gets so small they can't make sense of it anymore

You don’t really get physics do you?

The Planck length is the smallest region in which a particle's energy can be packed.

>> No.14237100

>>14237081
so change is possible within the material realm? ok thanks confirming the refutation

>> No.14237113

>>14237094
this

Entropy dictates that change is due to the probability of microstates.

>> No.14237116

>>14237100
>implying the material realm is real

>> No.14237119

>>14237116
Ok ill kill you and then your infinite and undying soul will then tell me what happened to it.

>> No.14237121

>>14237094
>>14237113
>implying that if change is an illusion as Parmenides says that the laws of thermodynamics wouldn't also be an illusion

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>>14237119
wow we got a tough guy over here

>> No.14237127

>>14237125
Thought not

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>>14236960
>http://nietzsche.holtof.com/Nietzsche_various/Nietzsche_on_Parmenides.htm
If Nietzsche had been born 50 years later then he would have gone to live in Sri Lanka.

>> No.14237138

>>14237024
limits are just an elegant way to say "fuck this shit lets just take the value we want" since no mathematician ever summed an infinite series

>> No.14237149

>>14237128
Yes, the syphilitic madmen rhetorician and the insufferable depraved pervert, they say misery likes company. Good riddance to both of them!

>> No.14237158

>>14237149
No one "sane" ever said anything worth a damn.

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>>14236995
This. Zeno's paradox is already solved by calculus.

A simple math exercise already refutes some dead greek.

Pic related

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>>14237158
>No one "sane" ever said anything wort-

>> No.14237168

>>14236874
>refute this (protip you can't)
Calculus is literally build around infinitesimal analysis, including infinitesimal summations. You have to be legitimately retard to to be actually believe that Parmenides "argument" is actually sound.

>> No.14237169

>>14237159
>using letters in math
The modern world was a mistake.

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>>14237121
>change is an illusion
>anything that can demonstrate change is therefore an illusion
circular logic by the resident schizo

>> No.14237174

>>14237149
>>14237166
Damn I knew it was guenonfag

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>>14237159
>stemfags trying to into philosophy

>> No.14237176

>>14237166
Neither sane, nor ever said anything worth a damn.

>> No.14237178

>>14236874
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertask

>> No.14237181

>>14237169
>>14237175
>doesn't understand 11th grad math
geunonfag, ladies and gentleman

>> No.14237182

>>14237174
>t. Guenonfag

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14237190

>>14237128
>Hinayana Buddhism

>> No.14237191

>>14237175
When the "lovers of wisdom" are denying easily observed reality, yeah, better leave to the STEMfags.

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>>14237138
>since no mathematician ever summed an infinite series
excuse me, benchod?

>> No.14237205

>>14237195
>an indian btfoing the infinity
Its like pottery

>> No.14237213

>>14237166
aaaaand guenonfag rears his ugly brown head

>he will start spamming okay guenonposter and t. guenonfag to everyone (including himself)
threads over folks, schizo's thread didn't go as planned again

>> No.14237214

>>14236874
based

>> No.14237223

>>14237213
>t. the schizo who invented guenonfag to cope with his seething hatred of guenon

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>>14237223

>> No.14237232

>>14237190
Shouldn't you be repeating some dumb mantra in order to get into heaven right now?

>> No.14237235

motioncucks seething ITT

>> No.14237237

>>14236874
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Jaj29DKj7s

related madman who also attacks change/time/causality/etc but with different arguments

>> No.14237242

>>14237205
yes a literal shitskin refuted your statement. How this it feel to be outwitted by a streetshitter?

>> No.14237243

>>14237231
>I'm not a schizo, I just made this schizo image and act like this one person I interacted with once still haunts every thread I post in...

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>>14237243

>> No.14237259

>>14237250
>I'm not a schizo, I just post random screencaps of anonymous posts from August 2018

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>>14237259

>> No.14237279

>>14237223
>seething hatred of guenon
yep it's guenonfag alright. He's using the same buzzwords.

>> No.14237283

>>14237242
No anon.. Im sayings ita poetic that it was he who did so.

>> No.14237288

>>14237267
>I'm not a schizo, I just convinced myself that everyone behind a meme getting posted constantly is one person who lurks 24/7 and screencapped a bunch of different anonymous posts to prove my point

>> No.14237294

>>14237283
yes I know, it's very poetic that he just refuted your statement.

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>>14237288

>> No.14237307

>>14237250
I keep saying people memeing that Guenon was some brilliant mathematician, but the guy did like one subject of math in university, which he didn't even finished, wasn't it?

>> No.14237310

>>14237307
>saying
seeing*

>> No.14237313

>>14237307
he wrote about the 'metaphysical implications' of calculus.

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>>14237288
>everyone behind a meme

>> No.14237358

>>14237313
Anyone can write about the "metaphysical implications" of anything. I am asking if the man actually knew his math.

>> No.14237409

>>14237358
well I assume he did if he wrote about it (then again he wrote about many things that he had sparse knowledge of). He isn't a 'brilliant' mathematician if that's what you're asking.