Why Corporations Want You to Shut Up and Meditate

[Anonymous No.14236122]

https://www.thenation.com/article/ron-purser-mcmindfulness-mindfulness-meditation-book-interview/
>Stripped of all ethical and religious tenets, mindfulness meditation has morphed into a market-friendly practice, adaptable into any context. Even the US military deploys mindfulness among its commanders and troops, teaching them how to focus on their breath as they pull the trigger.

>Today’s corporatized mindfulness is largely a do-it-yourself practice (with countless books, meditation apps, podcasts, gurus, and seminars) filling the vacuum of a lonely culture obsessed with self-optimization, mind hacks, and shortcuts to self-care. Modern mindfulness is often sold as evidence-based, sanitized of any cultural baggage—neuroscience with a dash of what Jon Kabat-Zinn, known as the father of the modern-day mindfulness movement, calls “the essence of Buddhism.” It’s at once secular and clinical yet sacred.

[Anonymous No.14236130]

>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST IMPROVE YOUR WELL EING WITHOUT BELIEVING IN MY FAIRY TALES

[Anonymous No.14236142]

>>14236130
>Well-being

Um, any evidence for that metaphysical claim?

[Anonymous No.14236179]

[Anonymous No.14236184]

>>14236130
Nice reading comprehension you half-wit. The point being made isn't that the secularization of meditation is inherently wrong, it's that this homogenization is being weaponized to try and placate as many miserable working-class people as possible.

[Anonymous No.14236194]

>>14236179
>this is your brain on crypto-materialist Buddhism

[Anonymous No.14236223]

this is why you should take the stroll-pill instead.

[Anonymous No.14236227]

>>14236223
stoicism is more shilled by corporations than secular buddhism desu 90% of books in the philosophy section in major bookstores are stoic books now

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14236236]

>>14236122
>Even the US military deploys mindfulness among its commanders and troops, teaching them how to focus on their breath as they pull the trigger.
Breath control is for practical purposes, the body is steadiest (ie most accurate) holding at full exhale. It's not about mindfulness.

Yeah meditation has some value. I'm suspicious of any secular agency that advertises its product as the sacred however. People seem to reject their inherited traditions out of hand (if they hadn't been rejected a generation or two before). Can't help feeling this scientism on one hand and new age garbage on the other are partially responsible.

[Anonymous No.14236251]

>>14236227
did i say anything about stoicism you fucking schizo?

[Anonymous No.14236262]

>>14236179
>to help us
They call it “creativity” or “telestic madness”

[Anonymous No.14236269]

>>14236122
it's useful to get away from distractions and just think sometimes

>>14236223
my sides
>stroll-pill


walking meditation is a form of meditation

[Anonymous No.14236270]

>>14236251
i misread stroll as stoic forgive me that book is based btw exquisite post

[Anonymous No.14236276]

>>14236130
>thinking breathing slow for 30 seconds is gonna make your hellish wagecuck existence any more bearable
Lmao

[Anonymous No.14236301]

>>14236227
Its true. "Aurelius was on some other shit" is apart of our popular lexicon now

[Anonymous No.14236312]

>>14236122
Buddhists exposes as corporate shills

[Anonymous No.14236468]

>>14236122
>thenation
Only good thing about that rag is the crossword.

[Anonymous No.14236473]

>>14236270
no worries king, i shouldn't have been so abrasive in my reply

[Anonymous No.14236509]

>>14236269
capitalists hate strolling because it doesn't conform to protestant sensibilities of time efficiency.

[Anonymous No.14236518]

>>14236276
>t. neet who can't focus on the present cause he'll burst into tears at the sight of his miserable existence

[Anonymous No.14236536]

>>14236509
but walking meditation is literally among the most taught and encouraged by the evil secular/scientific corporate boogeyman, meditation apps, etc.

[Anonymous No.14236541]

>>14236518
Not him but I focus on the present all the time, I find it to be a detriment to my well being.

[Anonymous No.14236543]

lol zizek has talked about this.

[Anonymous No.14236546]

>>14236536
knee-replacement is pretty big business.
Could stroll-pill be evil in disguise?

[Anonymous No.14236569]

>>14236270
I misread it as stoic too, based anon.

[Anonymous No.14236578]

>>14236541
how so?

[Anonymous No.14236581]

>>14236122
moralizers ruin absolutely everything. I remember reading some article about how mysticism was problematic because it wasn't conducive to class consciousness or some shit

[Anonymous No.14236585]

I read some article recently about mindfulness being pushed on office slaves so they can better tolerate their shitty, stress filled, exploited existences
Cultivating your emotions is way more effective at inciting change in your life rather than forcing yourself to tolerate everything shitty

[Anonymous No.14236607]

>>14236578
By focusing on the present at the expense of the past and future I doom myself to repeating my past mistakes and abandoning my future goals in pursuit of present comfort and pleasure. I am always "totally present" and "without thought" and it sucks.

[Anonymous No.14236687]

>>14236607
That just sounds like procrastination caused by either lack of self-discipline or ADHD. Meditation is something you do at most an hour a day (unless you're a monk) and it involves focusing on a particular object, such as breathing, and observing the thoughts that come up (there are always thoughts, the point is not to make the mind quiet) while remaining aware of the breath. The thoughts that come up naturally may reveal stuff you didn't know about yourself, or may just relax your mind and body for a while.
You should get yourself checked out for ADHD. Look up the symptoms of both ADHD-H and ADHD-PI, and see a doctor if you can. If you do have it, meds + meditation might change your life. It changed mine.

[Anonymous No.14236728]

>>14236687

please don't shill medications here

[Anonymous No.14236735]

>>14236122
Good article OP!

My main take is that this is one more step towards normalizing what is really, actually, nonhyperbolic wage slavery. In the future I don't think we'll own anything -- digital media, cars, nothing. It's going to be too expensive, and we're going to be too overworked. Landlords are going to own more land, at least where the jobs are, and the work/life balance will get worse and worse as everything gets more expensive and wages if not stagnate, even decrease. Technosurveillance will worsen as well. It's going to be really bad, y'all. Now's the time to live with your parents, save up, and buy a self sufficient cabin in the woods. It's only going to get worse and worse out there.

[Anonymous No.14236792]

>>14236236
>the body is steadiest (ie most accurate) holding at full exhale
I heard you're supposed to exhale about 50% and then hold. This the most conducive to epic headshots.

[Anonymous No.14236799]

>>14236687
I have mediated in the past and have always found it a completely worthless experience.

[Anonymous No.14236811]

>>14236130
>repressing psychological problems is good for wellbeing

[Anonymous No.14236828]

>>14236687
>ADHD-PI
Not him but I just looked this up out of curiosity and holy shit everything describes me exactly. I've been wondering what's wrong with me for years. I don't remember having these problems when I was younger though (or at least not as bad). Is this something you can develop?

[Anonymous No.14236836]

>>14236227
I’m not sure about that since stoicism has been added to DSM-5 has a destructive disorder

[Anonymous No.14236843]

>>14236312
Jokes on them. When the wagecucks finally wake up the capitalists will be slaughtered en masse by executioners in which every motion is a show of Emptiness.
>Whether one kills or does not kill, the precept forbidding killing [is preserved]. It is the precept forbidding killing that wields the sword. It is the precept that throws the bomb. - Sawaki Kodo

[Anonymous No.14236847]

>>14236828
Don't think so.

[Anonymous No.14236858]

>Thing gets popular.
>"Thing is a tool of the capitalist oppression"
I'm now pretty certain that the only thing stopping the revolution is that the revolutionaries are too busy reading about the coming revolution to participate.

[Anonymous No.14237035]

>>14236179
>to help us in our irrational drives for survival and reproduction
Sorry, but based volcels have been BTFOing that argument for thousands of years

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14237112]

>>14236792
No.

https://archive.org/details/ost-military-doctrine-fm3_22x9/page/n107

[Anonymous No.14237162]

>>14236122
>meditation apps
Come to think of it, it's been a while since I've seen any of those ads for this "meditation" app I've seen shilled on YouTube.

[Anonymous No.14237165]

>>14236223
>be american
>go for a walk
>no way to cross the 7 lane highway system that crisscrosses through the middle of your city
>the only crosswalk is 3 miles down and the pedestrian light lasts 4.5 seconds
>go there, take 5.0 seconds to cross
>get run over
>get shot
Thanks rousseau

[Anonymous No.14237200]

Salarymen in Japan come to Zen meditation centers after their shifts.

[Anonymous No.14237293]

>>14236687
>Listen to your psychiatrist and take those pills to spiritually lobotomize yourself, goy!
BigPharma™ is even more jewish than McMindfulness™.

[Anonymous No.14237521]

>>14236122
This is nothing new. Everywhere in Asia there has been Buddhists using these techniques and at the same time engaging in standard politics or militancy of their day
Japan is the obvious example

[Anonymous No.14237756]

>>14236828
Not exactly, but it might be something you and no one notices until adulthood, especially if you went to public school which is easy as fuck whether you have the disorder or not. I was diagnosed at 20.
>>14236799
that was my first impression too. I recommend you don't give it up entirely and read something that's structured like a program. Check out "Mindfulness Demystified" on Coursera, it dispels the cure-all bullshit claims, explains what meditation actually is and has free guides by the instructor and by very respected healthcare professionals.
>>14236728
ADHD are well understood and effective. They're mostly stimulants just like coffee. If you're so afraid of meds try dinking higher doses of coffee or low doses of CBD, which may or may not be snake oil garbage, unlike ADHD meds which are tested, regulated and FDA approved

[Anonymous No.14237835]

>>14237756
Imagine taking pills
Imagine SHILLING pills

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.14237885]

>>14236223
Based

[Anonymous No.14237926]

>>14237835
>drugs *tokes on weed* bad *sips coffee* kill *takes ibuprofen* yourself
take your meds, aspie retard

[Anonymous No.14238101]

>>14236799
I am not sure I agree anon.
I merely found the feeling of being extremely well rested, to be really relaxing. The same with forcefully cycling trough all the bodies "filters", allowing you to experience every point of circulation.

I can't find anything else to compare it to, for what you can do with 10 minutes. Within a minute or two your lungs forcefully gets used for full capacity merely for breathing. Which leads to the heart getting proper space and oxygen, and is then forced to beat properly at a steady phase.
And after another few minutes its over. All you have done is to sat in a lotus position to get a neutral shoulder position, and forced your body into operating as it should to be fully awake. In a sitting position with proper spine and head position.
And how awake you get from it is almost indescribably.

[Anonymous No.14239161]

>>14238101
I dunno, it does seem to work for stupid people so there's value in that.

[Anonymous No.14239167]

>>14237926
I don't take any of those so your weak argument is retarded

[Anonymous No.14239683]

>>14239161
Stupid people always think they're not stupid.

[Anonymous No.14240138]

>>14237926
I don't do any of those you druggie retard, I don't even drink soda.

Also
>You drink coffee or eat some chocolate so you can't criticize anyone who pops 10 pills a day or does cocaine or you're a hypocrite
Literally a Reddit tier argument.

[Anonymous No.14240184]

>>14239161
t. 115 IQ midwit that thinks he's smarter than traditions with thousands of years of wise men

[Anonymous No.14240222]

Well yeah the sanitized materialist version of eastern religions has always been malleable enough for capitalism

[Anonymous No.14240231]

>>14236581
>moralizers ruin absolutely everything
no, liberals, atheists and commies do that

[Anonymous No.14240241]

>>14240184
for me it's like i too see no point in doing meditation because i ALWAYS have something productive to do, but then there's your argument and i do get it, but the thing is almost all of the tech/lit/art/sc etc. people of west did not medidate. at the same time the best asia people can do is make a better copy of something invented in west

[Anonymous No.14240270]

>>14240241
>i ALWAYS have something productive to do
You're not a robot m8 don't fall for that trap

[Anonymous No.14240273]

>>14236122
>just live in the moment, let go of the worries of the future, and let go of the iron grip of the past
>yeah we just cut your salary, but you'll be fine, you can always rely on your strength to solve things
>now return to your post and produce value
lmao

[Anonymous No.14240323]

>>14240231
You only mentioned sub-classes of moralizers. All of them ruin everything.

[Anonymous No.14240423]

>>14236227
You’re right, but it coincides with the resurgence of Cicero and Epicurus. It isn’t a Jewish shill to placate the masses while we all take Zuckerburg’s cock

> Pic related
> Princeton Press pill-sized texts have Cicero, Epictitus’ “Enchiridion”, etc.
> In general they try to get the classics into more hands
> Great way to get a feel for the thoughts and ideas
> Includes extensive further reading and annotations

[Anonymous No.14240469]

>>14240241
Is posting here considered productive by you? You retarded shithead

[Anonymous No.14240472]

>corporation shilling Buddhism

The ironing.

[Anonymous No.14240480]

>meditational prayer
There forced your soluess problem

[Anonymous No.14240819]

>>14236122
Corporations also want you to keep living. Are you going to kill yourself in defiance?

[Anonymous No.14240825]

>>14239167
Cope

[Anonymous No.14241045]

>>14240819
Nah I just kill the corporations.

[Anonymous No.14241069]

ive been meditating for a year and have gone from atheist to agnostic and also have gotten crippling depression

[Anonymous No.14242237]

>>14241069
good
keep going
some buddhist theory would benefit you

[Anonymous No.14242315]

>>14237165

Based

[Anonymous No.14242325]

>>14236184
I'm quite fond of conspiracy theories but this is retarded.

[Anonymous No.14242337]

>>14241069

Congratulations, you just let an evil spirit into your life. Don't worry, Jesus can get rid of it for you. Call on his name and ask him to help you. Read some stuff by Derek Prince or watch some YouTube videos of him for more info.

[Anonymous No.14242349]

>>14242237

>Keep going
>Just keep letting more evil spirits into your life
>add anxiety panic attacks and night terrors to your crippling depression

t. Legion

[Anonymous No.14242352]

>>14241045
Retroactively, I hope.

[Anonymous No.14242361]

>>14241069
If enlightenment wasn't your intention, you fucked up by meditating too much. Now you have to meditate until sotapanna to fix that.

[Anonymous No.14242365]

>christcucks going on a literal crusade against meditation
this board sometimes

[Anonymous No.14242383]

>>14242365
In the good old days we WOULD have gone on a literal Crusade over it, but the Papacy isn't what it used to be.

[Anonymous No.14242389]

>>14242325
It's not a conspiracy you dumb fuck, learn to read

[Anonymous No.14242397]

>>14236184
>>14242325
It's not a conspiracy but more of a tendency. People seek what makes them feel better in their current situation, not outside of it. In other words it's thought of as a cure, not a prevention, which would be destroying the system that stresses them.

[Anonymous No.14242406]

>>14236122
>Mindfulness
Fake, Autogenics is the the true red pill

[Anonymous No.14242470]

>>14236130
Until you get over your own well being and start caring for the well being of others your fucked, were fucked, the world is fucked. That goes for all of you. Now get off 4chan and go and improve someone else's life.

May G-d guide you.

[Anonymous No.14242488]

>>14236227
Pleb never read any Rousseau. You should anon, all of you. He's good.

[Anonymous No.14242550]

>>14242349
Yes you should invite evil spirits into yoir life. I do it every day. I make it a large affair, a grand metaphysical signage to draw them in from afar like moths to a flame. These evil spirits... they cause so much suffering. That's what they're known for, they're the best at it.

Do you know what I do with all these sprits? I play with them. I engage in deep ruses, tricking these evil spirits into doing good. I flank and feint and rebuke, twisting and carving and outplaying them at every step of the way. What these evil spirits think will cause malign will instead be repurposed by me to great benefit. In many cases, it may be to the benefit of someone else, while I simply dodge the repercussions. It's a grand show of metaphysical slapstick, the evil spirits are my unwitting actors and victims of my gags, and the best part is that they are the ones footing the bill.

I break the rules of nature, I make a mockery of the given order of things, and I spread the profits freely and generously. In my spiritual domain, you can hear the demons laughing against their will, forced to act as angels in a sick scheme that debases their very existence. In the game of malignance, my schemes are downright Archimedian. From this court of the celestial humor, I ask you:

What is your hesitation? Is your mind a noodle wrapped in tinfoil? Why fear evil?

[Anonymous No.14242645]

>>14242550
based tantrika

[Anonymous No.14242719]

>>14236122
So is he just bitching about people not wasting time with his commie problems?

[Anonymous No.14243033]

>>14237756
>unlike ADHD meds which are tested, regulated and FDA approved
imagine using the fda as any kind of metric for reliability. the same people who obscure real nutritional information and collaborated to put sugar in everything a working joe can get his hands on.
>>14237926
and relies on his opponent being a drug addict to make his point. weak.

[Anonymous No.14243424]

>>14242365
Yeah I'm interested in Christianity but this bullshit mentality is what drives me away from it.

[Anonymous No.14243445]

>>14243424
It's not "bullshit mentality", it is Christianity.

[Anonymous No.14243457]

>>14243424
>>14243445
Christians practice meditation, it's just more for monks. Look into hesychasm.

[Anonymous No.14243513]

>>14243457
Hesychasm is more of an exception. Practiced by a slim minority of monks of the Orthodox tradition. Catholicism and Protestantism is very much against it. Eckhart was probably gonna be burned on a stake if he hadn't died prematurely.

[Anonymous No.14243521]

>>14243445
I mean the bullshit mentality of considering anything outside Christianity literally demonic, even non-Christian religious teachings that are very similar.

[Anonymous No.14243540]

>>14243513
Catholics went off the rails with all sorts of unchecked practices shortly after the schism and Protestants thew out the baby with the bathwater. It's not really fair to have to account for them when someone's asking what Christianity is about

[Anonymous No.14243552]

>>14243521
>I mean the bullshit mentality of considering anything outside Christianity literally demonic
But that is Christianity. Christianity is the way and all else is demonic and will only lead you astray. It's kinda like saying "i'm interested in Buddhism but I don't like the bullshit mentality of impermanence".

I'm just trying to warn you because you'll have a lot of people saying that Christianity and x tradition are absolutely not at odds with each other just in order to get you to convert.

[Anonymous No.14243581]

>>14243552
Christianity IS the demonic way. It's a very narrow range of the spirituality and it pulls you into the western pedocractic secular society that has been aestheticized as religious in order to market itself.

[Anonymous No.14243587]

>>14243540
Yeah you're probably right but then I think one should be careful and specify "Orthodoxy" since they're only around 11% of the total Christian population. And even they are very careful with what is hesychasm and "eastern mumbojumbo". They will definitely not let you equate hesychasm with meditation. They're constantly being attacked by the west for their "meditation" practices.

[Anonymous No.14243596]

>>14236142
It's not metaphysical. You can measure your blood pressure and weight to measure the effects.

[Anonymous No.14243613]

>>14236518
being a neet was better coping wage cvck

[Anonymous No.14243658]

>>14243581
>Christianity IS the demonic way.
You're right. I just tend to try and warn people. Because this is how Christianity operates, Jesuits being a prime example. They tend to pretend that Christianity is syncretistic to get the foot into the door.

Common practice today in places like India/Nepal. When they're weak in an area they will pretend that "ohh Jesus is just another god ;^) we just want to put our crucifix next to your Shiva statue! it's fine! peace and love. Yoga? I love yoga!". But the moment they got enough strength they will start tearing down non-Christian shrines and smash their idols. Not even necessarily saying it is because they're some special form of evil but clearly if you read the bible/christian history you'll see it is absolutely necessary for the religion. You just can't get away from it. Just a few weeks ago there was a massive riot at an Indian university in an majority Christian area because someone had put up a Ganesha idol somewhere on campus.

[Anonymous No.14243679]

>>14243552
>>14243658
So we could say SJW progressivism is just a modern, atheistic form of Christianity in how it operates?

[Anonymous No.14243692]

>>14243552
And not only does it apply "anything outside" Christianity, it applied to all the interesting, provocative, "heretical" branches and varietals of Christianity that were burned at the stake and eradicated wholesale. Most of Christianity's interesting sidelines, counterpoints, splinter movements, were destroyed so that the mundane, sappy thing we know of as Christianity today could come to be.

[Anonymous No.14243695]

>>14243679
You're not that far off

[Anonymous No.14243748]

>>14236179
Thats literally self refuting. If our rational capacity does not exist to reason towards Truth, then you cant say you know anything at all, thus contradicting the validity of your proposition

[Anonymous No.14243755]

>>14236227
Is it authentic stoicism or just meme stoicism?

[Anonymous No.14243770]

>>14237165
nice

[Anonymous No.14243808]

>>14243679
yes

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1/

[Anonymous No.14243827]

>>14236122

On the military end, that reminds me of Zen Buddhist justifications for Japanese war atrocities.

[Anonymous No.14243865]

>>14243755

Meme Stoicism, the same as 95% of discussion geared towards that philosophy on /lit/. Brainlets can't comprehend that the Stoic concept of non-attachment is not the same as an Eastern obliteration of desire. Stoicism's brand of reasoned non-hysteria in the face of tragedy/trauma/suffering is very much in the vein of Rudyard Kipling's "If". It's a distillation of Aristotelian virtues and is inherently rooted in a civic value system where the individual betters themselves for the sake of society as well as their own benefit. The ideal Stoic is not some kind of transcendentalistic ascetic retreating to a mountain temple to meditate until death, nor are they a purposefully unachieving pacifist, they are an active component of the world around them navigating an acknowledged transient existence as best they can.

[Anonymous No.14243870]

>>14243513
The Rosary is a meditation by its definition. I fail to understand how Catholicism is against meditation unless you bend the definition

[Anonymous No.14243873]

>>14243695
The left challenges the might and legitimacy of a god, while the other is just being an edgelord.

[Anonymous No.14243875]

>>14243679
>one part of a culture is a derivative of another earlier aspect of the same culture
Wow who would've ever thought?! The state of this board

[Anonymous No.14243882]

>>14243865
Honestly, after actually learning what stocism is, i was shocked at the magnitude of memery around it.

[Anonymous No.14243884]

Meditation is a common element in many religions and philosophies.

[Anonymous No.14243885]

>>14243870

I'm not a Catholic, but I enjoy going to Mass with friends, and there are elements of it that remind me of my yoga classes (I go as a physical therapy, not because I buy into the mysticism). Meditation is similar to prayer and the sign of peace is basically the "namaste" deal.

[Anonymous No.14244028]

>>14243873

Truth. The chick with a chainsaw isn't driven by an "enlightened" desire to combat dogmaticism with rationality or by earnestly held and contemplated faith (regardless of its validity) to convert and redeem non-believers. She's a chick with a chainsaw acting as an agent-without-agency of an ideological system that was given to her wholesale and that discourages self-reflection on front that questions the narrative of SJWism. There's no desire to enlighten the ignorant or to redeem the wicked. It's a Godless religion devoid of salvation that worships at an altar of victimhood for a dogma of pre-approved "knowledge", false Science without reason.

[Anonymous No.14244099]

>>14236122
This is exactly what happened to the once implicitly religious practice of fasting. A bunch of people started using it for a non-religious, weight-loss meaning.

[Anonymous No.14244483]

>>14241069
You have to create meaning in your life, you have to live in spite of this depressing existence, find beauty, find the good, express yourself through art, get an instrument, start writing, start drawing, start applying your philosophy to your life in as many ways as you can.

I use meditation (Anapanasati) to deal with most things, but also CBT to deal with specific issues, I advise you start looking into psychology and psychological therapies to find new ways to survive. I've found that art (creating and viewing) and focusing exclusively on the beauty of this existence (nature, mostly), after having applied my own philosophy/views/etc. to the ugliness of this world (personal, obviously).

Whatever it is that is causing you to be depressed (if it's a concept like death) has to be analyzed until it loses its power through reason, if it's an unfortunate side-effect of this world (ex. suffering) then apply ways to cause no suffering and then - after having done all that you can (through action) - begin to shift the focus away from the suffering onto the good in life, correct your focus just as you would in meditation whenever your mind begins to wander, utilize CBT techniques or whatever other therapy you find useful, to further help you refocus.

Consider mazlow's hierarchy of needs, etc. I'm sure you've done most if not all of this, but I felt compelled to try to help, since I'm in a similar situation (Christian, Christian Deist, ex-Christian, Deist, agnostic, agnostic atheist; depression through life events and philosophy). Hopefully some of this is useful.

[Anonymous No.14244648]

>>14239167
>>14240138
>I don't take any of those
it shows.
>You drink coffee or eat some chocolate so you can't criticize anyone who pops 10 pills a day
nice strawman retard. I bet you felt real smart and above us all while typing that. Who in the the entire thread mentioned cocaine, chocolate or popping 10 pills? We're discussing prescribed medication for diagnosed ADHD. Sadly there aren't any pills for your severe retardation. I mentioned coffee, weed and ibuprofen, which are popular drugs with huge industries backing them, yet you only cry big pharma when it's a prescribed one that's actually proven to help. Coffee drinkers who shit on ADHD meds are especially retarded, since coffee is exactly the same as ADHD meds, just less effective and more prone to make you jittery on higher doses. In fact some adults with less severe cases manage their issues with coffee alone.

[Anonymous No.14244662]

>>14240825
>>14244648
No arguments, just childish petulance

[Anonymous No.14244670]

>>14240241
>generalizing an entire region of the world as "just copiers" when its nations contributed to math, science, warfare and groundbreaking tech like gunpowder, ink, silk, irrigation canals, the compass and a ton more
You really need to meditate on how you came to make such a retarded post

[Anonymous No.14244742]

>>14240241
>I ALWAYS have something productive to do
then why are you on 4channel?

[Anonymous No.14244771]

>>14243033
FDA is as good as it gets. Better than the conspiracy theory forums you trust so much
>weak
And your argument is...?
>>14244662
>replies are either strawmen or completely empty
>gets BTFO
>nod an adgumen :DDD

[Anonymous No.14244785]

>>14244771
You literally had no argument though. I refuted it simply and you replied with something a child might say when caught out.

[Anonymous No.14244900]

>>14236122
Are you mentally challenged
Corporation's and media loves jump on band wagons meditation and yoga came with package with Kama sutra extra.
People started going to yoga it's become a thing for people
Meditation is good for your mental health with Western depressed society it's helping slowly. Thats a good side of it bad
Paid apps for meditation and expensive yoga classes with dumb yoga practice's like sheep yoga it's not even original.
Don't take it as religious take what's good for you. It's on you
It's great to meditate and yoga acknowledge it do whatever you want.

[Anonymous No.14245026]

>>14244785
>I refuted it simply
you didn't do jackshit you absolute fucking dunce.
>you replied with something a child might say when caught out
I called out your bullshit strawman, elaborated on my choice of words and explained why it's especially hypocritical for coffee drinkers to be against stimulants. All you did was double down on your retarded """rebuttal""""

[Anonymous No.14245060]

>>14243658
It's almost as if some Christians actually think their religion is true.

[Anonymous No.14245090]

>>14243513
>Hesychasm is more of an exception. Practiced by a slim minority of monks of the Orthodox tradition. Catholicism and Protestantism is very much against it. Eckhart was probably gonna be burned on a stake if he hadn't died prematurely.

who cares what Catholics and protestants have to say when it comes to christianity

[Anonymous No.14245103]

>>14243885
>I'm not a Catholic, but I enjoy going to Mass with friends, and there are elements of it that remind me of my yoga classes (I go as a physical therapy, not because I buy into the mysticism). Meditation is similar to prayer and the sign of peace is basically the "namaste" deal.

"i go to mass so i dont have to pay for yoga classes"

[Anonymous No.14245156]

>>14240323
Because those are the bad ones you fucking faggot.
Some classes get moralization right.

[Anonymous No.14245175]

>>14243748

Indeed.

[Anonymous No.14245191]

>>14242349
>>14242365
>>14242383
>>14242550
>>14243424
>>14243521
>>14243540
>>14243552
>>14243581
>>14243658
>>14243679
>>14243692
samefag talking to himself, derailing a thread

[Anonymous No.14245831]

>>14245026
You're the one who uttered the strawman with this fatuous idiotic post >>14237926
You're so thick you don't even know who you're replying to.

[Anonymous No.14245836]

>>14245191
got me there

[Anonymous No.14245843]

>>14239683
Clever people do too. Silly thing to say.
>>14240184
>it's old so it's good
So you're one of this retards who can't think for themselves huh?

[Anonymous No.14245946]

>>14236735
>a self sufficient cabin in the woods
biggest meme ever, you'll need probably few dozen licences for that, and you won't be self-sufficient for 5+ years or more

[Anonymous No.14245994]

>>14243748
You have to assume extreme position regarding our ability to gain understanding to say that. You can still gain Truth through leveraging our survival capability of creating accurate enough models of external world.

[Anonymous No.14246285]

>>14243875
Imagine thinking this is actually an insightful point

[Anonymous No.14246322]

>>14244648
>it shows
What shows? That the fact I'm not a druggie like you'd want me to be means you're left without an argument?
>Who in the the entire thread mentioned cocaine, chocolate or popping 10 pills?
It's the same tired NPC non-point that someone always replies to criticism of taking pills for whatever little deviance from the (((prescribed))) norm. "heh, bet you consume sugar, checkmate". South Park did it 20 years ago, retard.

The rest of your post is just repeating the exact same shit, how we're hypocrites because in this particular instance we criticized the pill your shilling and not the pill some other company is shilling. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14246331]

>>14236122
>Even the US military deploys mindfulness among its commanders and troops, teaching them how to focus on their breath as they pull the trigger.
This isn't new. It's been 'breath, aim, sight, squeeze' for a long time.

[Anonymous No.14246388]

>>14246331
*Breathe, relax, aim, slack, squeeze

[Anonymous No.14246400]

>>14245843
Yes anon, you're so enlightened and such a Free Thinker TM that you know better than any smelly, primitive old tradition.

[Anonymous No.14246514]

>>14242470
To care for others' well-being but not your own is hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.14246599]

>>14243870
Rosaries didn't exist until the 13th century. In the earliest times Christians and Muslims casted rocks into bowls or something and incorporated beaded objects at some later period in time. Practitioners of dharmic currents along with those of other cultures had been practicing meditation for centuries by that then. In summation, the late appearance of Abrahamic meditative practices and their lesser centrality in their faiths would make them seem at least less noteworthy within the full range of world meditative traditions.

>>14243692
Okay it needs to be known that plenty of sects were also condemned with views that many would consider objectionable like bodily mutilation and mortification, extreme martyrist and zealotic views, anti-sacramentalism, anti-Hebraism, aniconism, and virtual prosperity cult leaders like Paul of Samosata.

[Anonymous No.14246621]

>>14243870
Rosaries didn't exist until the 13th century. In the earliest times Christians and Muslims cast rocks into bowls or something and incorporated beaded objects at some later period in time. Practitioners of dharmic currents along with those of other cultures had been practicing meditation for centuries by then. In summation, the late appearance of Abrahamic meditative practices and their lesser centrality in their faiths would make them seem at least less noteworthy within the full range of world meditative traditions.

>>14243692
Okay it needs to be known that plenty of sects were also condemned with views that many would consider objectionable like bodily mutilation and mortification, extreme martyrist and zealotic views, anti-sacramentalism, anti-Hebraism, aniconism, and virtual prosperity cult leaders like Paul of Samosata.

[Hermit Thrush No.14246687]

>>14245103

What are you trying to convey? I clearly state that I go to yoga, primarily for the physically therapeutic component.

[Hermit Thrush No.14246690]

>>14243882

The level of memery around it on this board seems purposefully disingenuous. Either that, or it's the most readily apparent example of pseud projection.

[Anonymous No.14246704]

>>14246690
>>14246687
Shut the fuck up namefag you and your opinion are not important. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14246819]

>>14246704

Okay, now tell me: what's your point.

[Anonymous No.14246853]

How tastily piquant. In the drive to optimize consumption capitalism has even coopted anti-consumerist practices such as meditation. I am reminded of a fast food commercial from the time of Occupy Wall Street that said something to the effect of, "Join the Revolution! Try our new spicy chicken sandwich!" Capital in this sense reactively turns what is against it into another attendant of its process.

The point here is that mindfulness becomes anti-mindfulness, or rather thoughtlessness. For rather than reflecting--with deep intent and attention--on one's standing in the economic order and whether one has gotten a fair shake, we are instructed by corporate commissars of happiness to meditate and practice mindfulness. Thoughts are bad, troublesome, so cut them out. Mindfulness then becomes weaponized as a stopgap against worker agitation and organizing.

[Anonymous No.14246947]

>>14246853
Rightists have also been coopting popular leftist terminology and ideals to increase their appeal with the masses.

[Anonymous No.14246987]

>>14246947
It has nothing to do with left versus right. Capital has no respect for political categories. It has no regard for what the noneconomic values at large are, only that its capacity to accumulate proceeds unimpeded. Notice how these corporations are propped up and assisted by an essentially right wing business climate, and yet openly and outwardly embrace liberal values. A common enough sleight of hand but one which negotiates and reconciles both sides of the political spectrum.

Zuckerberg's antagonism against Elizabeth Warren is telling. For all his outward embrace of progressive values, the second she tries to come for his monopoly, he kvetches and recoils.

The observation to be made here is that capitalism wants to use anything and everything to be an attendant to its process of accumulation, and will appropriate even anti-capitalist practices such as meditation if it can help lubricate the gears of production.

[Anonymous No.14247018]

>>14246987
>anti-capitalist practices such as meditation
Anti-capitalist in the sense that you don't need to buy another whatchamacallit or work another 12 hour shift to feel contentment according to meditative practice, you only need to still your mind etc.

[Hermit Thrush No.14247047]

>>14246853

Still water on a puddle vs. still water on a bay.

[Anonymous No.14247075]

>>14242470
>May G-d guide you.
Back to the desert with you

[Anonymous No.14247080]

>>14236130
You unironically can't

[Anonymous No.14247088]

>>14246621
>Rosaries didn't exist until the 13th century.
Rosaries are a specific type of prayer rope, and they go back to at least the 4th century monks. Prayer ropes themselves have been used in many different western religions, going back thousands of years before Christianity. There's a painting of ancient Thira dating around 1600 BC which shows a woman using a prayer rope.

I hope you're not trying to assert that western meditation didn't exist until the 13th century since that was when the rosary came about because that would be like arguing meditation in general didn't exist until the 1950's since that's when transcendental meditation was invented. It ignores the fact that transcendental meditation is part of a greater tradition going back thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.14247089]

>>14246853
Capitalism as a system must be attacked directly, and what I mean is in a manner that is an actual existential threat to it that can't be assimilated, like killing CEO's, bombing the NY Stock Exchange, shorting major internationally traded currencies, or any act of financial terrorism that destroys economies.

[Anonymous No.14247097]

>>14246400
Seethe all you want, its true.

[Hermit Thrush No.14247185]

>>14245843

Fun fact, do you realize that nihilism and moral subjectivitywhat are already being addressed by philosophers thousands of years ago?! Sorry your school of thought isn't as innovative as you thought.

[Anonymous No.14247186]

>>14236130
>let's just commercialize everything lmao

[Anonymous No.14247196]

>>14244028
Christcucks were "enlighetend" by their envious semitic desert demon. They wanted to spread "da truth" to all people.
Literally same shit with even worse axioms to start on.

[Anonymous No.14247198]

>>14236828
Imageboards caused you this.

[Anonymous No.14247202]

>>14247185
Take your meds, you're talking to yourself again

[Anonymous No.14247207]

>>14247198
I think its probably the internet more generally, though 4chan hasn't helped. I used to have a decent memory, now it's mud.

[Hermit Thrush No.14247214]

>>14247202

I already had my colloidal silver, thanks.

[Anonymous No.14247217]

>>14247088
I specifically referred to Abrahamic mediation in contrast to other kinds.

[Anonymous No.14247225]

>>14236543
I think everyone has
https://youtu.be/tAMqx9GDoSI

[Anonymous No.14247230]

>>14242470
The world is morally abhorent, and this can't be helped, but the world is also aesthetically beautiful.
I want to survive its horrors while enjoying its beauty.
Meditation can help to do both.

[Anonymous No.14247266]

>>14247217
>Abrahamic mediation
Sounds absolutely horrible

[Anonymous No.14247286]

>>14247217
So? Christian meditation utilizing prayer ropes goes back to at least the 4th century. It's functionally not any different to the prayer ropes the pagans were using, which goes back to at least 1600 BC. The Jewish tzitziot is not terribly different and goes back even further, possibly over 2000 BC when you consider Numbers 15:38-39.

[Anonymous No.14247304]

>>14247266
It tends to end in rifts and sectarianism more often than it does in accord.

[Anonymous No.14247318]

>>14247304
Yeah the pagans were so peaceful and loving. They were noble savages, if you will.

[Anonymous No.14247323]

>>14247286
I prefer meditation utilizing rape

[Anonymous No.14247328]

>>14247323
Haha good one. I don't have enough money for gold so enjoy your silver, stranger :)

[Anonymous No.14247343]

>>14247318
>They were noble savages, if you will.
Return to the desert, you vile demon!
You don't belong here

[Anonymous No.14247372]

Do some people in this thread actually believe meditation gives you depression and anxiety?

[Anonymous No.14247376]

>>14247343
That sounds like something a sectarian and riftmaker would say.

[Anonymous No.14247405]

>>14247286
>So? Christian meditation utilizing prayer ropes goes back to at least the 4th century
Well aside from being a later development than in other faiths, it also isn't as significant a focus in them. Meditation also doesn't necessarily require prayer beads, but in the case of rosary praying specifically they become an object of significant reverence. The Jewish tassels were done in observance of a biblical commandment and not for the purpose of meditation. Lastly the kind of meditation partook of in Christian practice could be accused of being just as removed from its purpose or potential by practitioners of other traditions as modern "recreationalist" meditation could.

[Anonymous No.14247429]

>>14247405
If you're assuming the beads are a necessary component of the rosary, then you couldn't be any more wrong. You absolutely do not need them in order to pray the rosary. I suggest you actually look into what the rosary is before trying to talk about it.

[Anonymous No.14247464]

-2 drones at each base

[Anonymous No.14247473]

>>14247464
We sit together
the mountain and I
until only the mountain remains

[Anonymous No.14247485]

Well the fact is that they are still largely viewed as objects of spiritual potential, similar to how icons are, independent of what the deeper dogma regarding them might be, and not merely some discardable prayer counting tool. And this still does not disprove the general essence of the what is being claimed.

[Anonymous No.14247494]

>>14247429
Well the fact is that they are still largely viewed as objects of spiritual potential, similar to how icons are, independent of what the deeper dogma regarding them might be, and not merely some discardable prayer counting tool. And this still does not disprove the general essence of the what is being claimed.

[Anonymous No.14247525]

>>14247080
You unironically can.

[Anonymous No.14247551]

>>14247494
Prayer beads are not in any way analogous to icons. When you talk about "spiritual potential" I have no idea what that's supposed to mean in regards to either icons or beads.

At this point I don't even care what you mean by it because it's clear your opinions are not informed. People acting as if they know things they don't is one of the most annoying things to me so I'm just not going to talk to you anymore.

[Anonymous No.14247572]

>>14247089
There's a more important target from which capitalism springs forth

[Anonymous No.14247582]

>>14247551
You're the one with the pathology that refuses to engage the 'crux' ^ of the argument.

[Anonymous No.14247589]

>>14247207
Like the other anon said, it's not a "disorder", it's just a natural byproduct of modern life. Most things catalogued as mental illnesses are.

[Anonymous No.14247639]

"If you meditate to improve your character or to be more efficient in life, you've got your eye on the future and you are not meditating."
-Alan W. Watts

The powers-that-be may be trying to co-opt meditation, but that doesn't mean the practice itself is bad. Not-thinking is regarded in many parts of the world as essential to sanity, and for good reason. The expression we use for one who is insane is "out of their mind," but all insanity is actually IN the mind, no? Meditation is, at its core, a way out of your mind: singular focus on something to the point that the internal dialogue that makes up so much of our days can take a backseat to the senses -- to what you see, to the point on your thumb and forefinger where skin touches skin, to what you can hear, to your breath, etc. Then, soft, tender, you can center your energy and reclaim the consciousness of a baby: oceanic, tranquil, entirely in the present.

[Anonymous No.14247889]

>The implication here seems to be that any woman in a traditional society, or practically any woman who lived before modern times, regardless of how happy and devoted to her family she might seem, is/was "deprived" and merely making the most of a lousy, miserable situation—regardless of the fact that she might be "without complaint or disquiet." I can easily imagine some idiotic, politically correct intellectual approaching such a woman and saying, "Ah, my poor, poor child, why do you look so cheerfully happy? Wipe that foolish smile off your face! You should be grumbling! You are deprived, deprived, I say! If only you were less ignorant you would clearly realize that you shouldn't be so happy! But in a few years, after we have enacted the appropriate social reforms, then, maybe…" In such a case as that woman would be in, ignorance could really be bliss—ignorance of economic theory and Western political correctness, that is.

https://thebahiyablog.blogspot.com/2015/04/happiness-kicks-butt.html

[Anonymous No.14248071]

>>14236122
This guy is an idiot, he implies that grassroots mindful movements can only be properly run by empowered people of color.

[Anonymous No.14248213]

>>14247097
Cope

[Anonymous No.14248241]

>>14247196

>with worse axioms

Debatable

[Anonymous No.14248361]

>>14236122
Nigga, you focus on your breathing before pulling the trigger for the express purpose of stable aim...it's not about dude, clear your mind maaan.
>>14236184
>People should be mad not content
If feeling good is literally as easy as sitting quietly for 20 minutes a day why is it preferable to prevent this? Everyone should be a stressed out dork?

[Anonymous No.14248375]

>>14236223
My man John-Jack Russel.

[Anonymous No.14248380]

>>14248361
If you want to feel good isn't it easier to just get a 24/7 morphine drip?

[Anonymous No.14248388]

>>14248380
It would be quite difficult to acquire a stable morphine supply for an extended period of time. I suspect I would be VERY stressed out if anything would end up threatening my supply. I suspect I'd become neurotic without the morphine.
Seems harder than just chilling out.

[Anonymous No.14248412]

>>14248380
Opiate abuse
>Major constipation
>Need to also take laxatives
>Relies on external things to feel good
Meditation
>Does not cause constipation
>Laxatives are completely optional
>Requires no external anything to feel good
Checkmate junkiefags

[Anonymous No.14249127]

>>14248361
ok coomer

[Anonymous No.14249403]

>>14236122
I think there's a huge emphasis in American culture that if you're unhappy, that's your problem. Happiness is a choice, and you can choose to be happy anywhere, so if you're unhappy it's absolutely your fault. I think this kind of language and thought is used to maintain the status quo, because if you're sick because your environment's sick, you're going to want to change or fix your environment.

Corporations do not have your best interest in heart. Your employers are not your friends. Meditation and mindfulness and shit like that is to keep you complacent. When you're being fucked, to ask for more lube is to let them control you. You don't ask. You take their dick out of your ass, and if need be, snap their cock like a glow stick.

We can't, as a culture, be comfortable. This is only normal because we've decided it's normal.

[Anonymous No.14249480]

>>14245831
mocking != strawman you dumb newfag. And even while mocking you I was pointing out an actual reality, which you completely ignored. I elaborated in a more serious tone - and you still didn't refute shit

[Anonymous No.14249543]

>>14236130
>IMPROVE YOUR WELL EING
>by breathing in enough extra focus and energy to add in an extra hour at the factory for mr paymestein
lmao

[Anonymous No.14250336]

>>14242325
>I'm quite fnord of conspiracy theories

[Anonymous No.14250608]

>>14249403
Exactly

[Anonymous No.14250635]

Capitalism co-ops and ruins everything. Who knew? Fuck capitalism. Fuck corporations. Fuck capitalists. Fuck the liberal cucks that support them. Fuck America. Fuck neoliberals in general.

[Anonymous No.14250657]

>>14250635
Stay angry faggot, I reccomend you take up meditation, and enjoy a delicious burger.

[cunt No.14251035]

>>14236122
>Just go with the flow bro
DON'T BE A FREE AGENT
>Live and let live
BE A SLAVE
>Accept things as they are
DO NOT INFORM YOUR WILL
>You perfect just the way your are
NEVER IMPROVE, DON'T THINK
>Live, Laugh, Love
CONSUME SEX AND DRUGS


This is true, if you are acting in Zen then you wont accomplish class consciousness.
Alan Watts is cucking you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9xwuxJWJ1U

[Anonymous No.14251097]

>>14246853
>For rather than reflecting--with deep intent and attention--on one's standing in the economic order and whether one has gotten a fair shake
>Thoughts are bad, troublesome, so cut them out
that's not what mindfulness, neither eastern nor western (not even the one taught by meditation apps) is about. This thread is full of imbeciles who love pulling dystopian theories right out of their asses just because they sound cool and muh capitalism bad. You have no idea what you're talking about. Meditation encourages the observation of thoughts, not "cutting them out"

[Anonymous No.14251127]

>>14251035
>generalizes and misinterprets huge complex millenia-old philosophies
Watts is bad but you're even worse

[cunt No.14251137]

>>14243695
Not a Christian, but modern people think that women is really cool and brave.
The whole world is Reddit now.

[cunt No.14251140]

>>14251127
no

[Anonymous No.14251156]

>>14251035
>that pic
Over 70% of population of St.Petersburg will die in 5 years time, from famine, urban fights, forced conscription or the indiscriminate slaughter of the Red Terror. They would not reach the 1917 life standards until late 1960's.

[cunt No.14251201]

>>14251156
>>that pic posting
Also theirs nothing wrong with letting a few lose pawns go, better they die for a better world then live in one that creates a worse one.

[Anonymous No.14251269]

The virgin meditator vs. the Chad intercessor

[Anonymous No.14251307]

>>14251097
You're right, though it is worth mentioning that mindfulness is incompatible with discursive reasoning and instead focuses on attaining a non-attached and open-minded attending to whatever comes one's way.

[Anonymous No.14252579]

>>14236122
>Thing: exists
>"Deep" critiques: it's all just part of the capitalist system bro
People will unironically say the same thing about going outside for a walk or camping in nature, it's all part of the system bro, it's there so you can go back to work with renewed energy, it's all part of the Ominous Capitalist System maaaaan. It's the most vapid, empty critique possible because you can shoehorn everything into "it's all part of capitalism".
>anti-capitalist critiques of capitalism just provide a pressure valve for the corporate middle-class to blow off steam and get back to work again after

[Anonymous No.14253786]

>>14251201
>70% of population died
>few lose pawns
Kill yourself , the world would be better off

[Anonymous No.14253882]

>>14251201
It won't be a better world

[Anonymous No.14254082]

>>14252579
It unironically is though. There's a reason slave owners in the South let their slaves had a day off once in awhile. If you work everyone to death it is actually less productive than granting them a small measure of (calculated) mercy.

[Anonymous No.14254133]

>>14252579
They never apply those same critiques to socialism. For them, the west imports meditation to keep the worker bees happy but in communist China and North Korea where meditation is actually encouraged by the government, they're silent. It's like they can't even recognize it because they're only interested in criticizing capitalism. Fuck ideologues.

[Anonymous No.14254195]

>>14249480
your mocking was a strawman as it was based on a false premise dreamt up by a retard who cannot argue or even think to save his life. You practically refuted yourself, all it took from me was a few words

[Anonymous No.14254314]

>>14251201
Why do zoomers have such a hard time with lose/loose? Is it common core?

[Anonymous No.14254381]

>>14251201
>70% of population is "a few pawns"
>can't spell loose properly
Behold, the communist.