/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14203320]

hey /lit/ how do I into Lacan?

[Anonymous No.14203330]

accidentally

[Anonymous No.14203364]

Read his commentaries on other texts. He talks about Antigone and Symposium, if you're familiar with either of those. If you want to start with one of the seminars, which might not be the best idea, the first one is not too difficult so long as you're familiar with Freud to some extent. The Ethics of Psychoanalysis is quite readable too, that's got the commentary on Antigone. I'm a big pleb when it comes to Lacan though, and if you're a big pleb like me then it's usually more helpful to read secondary texts. I really enjoy the book 'Lacan on Love' by Bruce Fink. Some of the articles on lacan.com/Lacanian Ink are good, though a lot of them require a strong understanding of Lacan it seems.

[Anonymous No.14203365]

Judith Butler's Subjects of Desire, unironically. Also see Zizek's little book on him - the last few pages are on how you actually approach Lacan (spoiler: it's not through Ecrits)

[Anonymous No.14203380]

Burn all postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.14203525]

>>14203320
A Clinical Introduction to Lacanian Psychoanalysis is the best one i have read.

[Anonymous No.14203562]

>>14203320
How To Read Lacan is a good start.
>>14203380
Listen to this guy, this is exactly why you should read Lacan. And Žižek’s interpretation is the only really worthy one, so stick with him. He is in fact incredibly easy to read but he assumes you are familiar with all of philosophy up to that point, so the real question for you is how to tackle Hegel, Heidegger, and whoever else you find difficult, but Lacan is not much of a problem.

[Anonymous No.14203769]

>>14203320
Postmodernism was a mistake. I had to sit through an entire semester class on just Lacan and it's was the worst class I've taken in 4 years of university.

[Anonymous No.14203858]

>>14203769
what is postmodernism?

[Anonymous No.14203936]

>>14203858
It's garbage psued crap about >muh truth by believing there is no truth
It's trash

[Anonymous No.14203944]

>>14203769

I'm very sorry about that anon.

[Anonymous No.14203954]

Read all of Freud. Everything.

[Anonymous No.14203977]

>>14203936
what, specifically, about Lacan qualifies him as a postmodern thinker?

[Anonymous No.14203983]

>>14203858
Postmodernism is a form of intellectual Protestantism, which followed early 20th century materialist trends toward the replacement of metaphysics with scientistim. While that replacement was initially the focus of the modernists, it is the linguistic relativism espoused by Lacan, Saussure, Lyotard, and others that formed the basis of the Postmodern element--distinct from the Modernist scientistic dogma alone

[Anonymous No.14204032]

>>14203769
>lacan is postmodernist
kys

[Anonymous No.14204052]

>>14204032
yikes

[Anonymous No.14204057]

>>14204052
hes post-structuralist if anything

[Anonymous No.14204066]

>>14204057
I hope this is trolling, but it probably isn't. Lacan's biggest influence is claude levi-strauss anon

[Anonymous No.14204076]

>>14204057
Post-structuralism is a bough on the tree, anon. Are you trolling?

[Anonymous No.14204117]

How to tell if someone has never read Lacan: they think he's a postmodernist or post-structuralist. For future reference to all you shitposters out there, Lacan is a hyper-structuralist Freudian. He's literally Freud+Levi Strauss and he hated postmodernism.

[Anonymous No.14204192]

>>14204117
Calling shit something else doesn't make it not shit

[Anonymous No.14204223]

>>14204192

[Anonymous No.14204239]

>>14204117
Yeah well deconstructivist architects hate being called that too, but the qualities which typify it are exemplified in their work so they can pilpul until their blue in the face, Lacan is a postmodernist of whatever species you prefer to invent for him. So is Saussure.

[Anonymous No.14204259]

>>14204239
so by your definition, assuming Saussure is a postmodernist, is all of structuralism postmodernism? And if that is the case, then is postmodernism the opposite of post-structuralism? I'm getting dizzy here, but you seem to have never read Lacan and are just shitposting so I'm really interested in what you have to say

[Anonymous No.14204280]

>>14204259
This thread is proof that the only thing people can agree about postmodernism is that you can't define it.
Postmodernism is whatever you want it to be

[Anonymous No.14204314]

>>14204280
I've just been trying to goad the trembling pseuds who always seem to lurch out of the forest whenever a Lacan thread comes up to say "ew he's pomo burn pomo!" while knowing neither what Lacan nor pomo actually even refer to. This thread has been especially rich since I actually got someone to refer to Ferdinand de fucking Saussure as a postmodernist. That one is going in my diary desu

[Anonymous No.14204365]

I can't even remember if this is any good, but this is the first book on the guy I got my hands on.

[Anonymous No.14204389]

>>14204314
This dude has to be memeing. Saussure is a massive fixture of tree postmodern landscape. So is Lacan. The fact that all you can do is word soup and a hand wave says everything, you absolute
A C O L Y T E

[Anonymous No.14204410]

>>14204259
>x-ism and post-xism are opposites always
>gotcha
You're making yourself dizzy

[Anonymous No.14204450]

Rightoids who have no understanding of philosophy or history literally think Kant was the first postmodernist so go figure

[Anonymous No.14204511]

>>14204450
Imagine hating your own kin

[Anonymous No.14204516]

>>14204389
anon I hate to break this to you but post-structuralism, which is a subset of postmodernism is revolting against structuralism, which began with Sassurean linguistics. To call Saussure a postmodernist is like calling Donald Trump a Leftist SJW

[Anonymous No.14204526]

>>14203562
Do this, but also read Freuds Interpretation of Dreams first. And then read “Welcome to the Desert of the Real” and then read “How to Read Lacan”, both are by Zizek. Also watch Zizek lectures where he talks about the sublime object of ideology.

[Anonymous No.14204704]

>>14204516
You need to read more than the internal squabbles of people desperately trying to carve out their branded sophistry as distinct from one another, anon. Hate to break that to you so long as we are here humbly hating to break things to each other.

[Anonymous No.14204717]

>>14204516
>new US record for mass nonwhite immigration
>relleases blacks from prison both at home and abroad
>enables DOJ persecution of "nazis"
>pardons jews
>under his administration LGBTQP+ have amassed unprecedented social and legal power

Donald Trump *IS* a leftist SJW.

[Anonymous No.14204727]

>>14204526
>Freuds Interpretation of Dreams
The only one worth bothering with, and even then you have to throw out a lot of bathwater to rescue the baby.

[Anonymous No.14204730]

>>14204717
ok now THIS is epic

[Anonymous No.14204774]

>>14204704
mad becuz dumb

[Anonymous No.14204846]

>>14204727
This is true, but it's worthwhile. Most people who read Freud from the perspective that they are digging through a swamp in search of gold will find exactly that, gold. You've got to do some digging though and read between the lines of things he discovers through dreams presented by patients. The most obvious is how the unconcious is, or the fact that we take in more things than are frontly aware of. Essentially: Freud indirectly shows you how you behavior is not totally, or even slightly under autonomous control; that free will is less so.

[Anonymous No.14205151]

>>14204774
>true intellectual
My apologies

[Anonymous No.14206123]

>>14203977

Lacan is part of a milleu of mid-(20th) century Frenchies to whom the label "postmodernism" is especially and popularly applied as an epithet/overall descriptor in the Anglosphere/American academy. Like many music bands, other thinkers, and actors/celebrities, they themselves often bristle or explicitly reject the label being applied to themselves.

-Lacan was some psychoanalyst guy in mid-century France about whom I actually know basically nothing apart from the mirror stage thing, meme diagrams and that he has some lit crit going on in his works (Poe) as I just learned Last Tuesday. Other "po-mo" types liked to cite him because he was the new hotness at the time, or something. Psych(ology/iatry/oanalysis) in general was VERY fashionable both in the USA and in France during the 1950s/1960s: witness popular films like "Psycho", the "monster of the Id" In Forbidden Planet and One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, for Anglo examples.

-D&G cited him (Lacan), for example.

-Foucault is better described as a poststructuralist, but the postmodernist label sticks to him since, y'know, he was effectively a gay nihilist who wrote about the Greeks and early Christians purely as an intellectual exercise to obtain b0ipucci. Foucault's own "postmodernism" is on display during the first half of the encounter with Chomsky (Chomsky won the first half by correctly asserting the reality and usefulness of the category of "human nature", against Foucault's "it's all a social construction man" Marxist nonsense, as if human beings don't die after an hour without air) but was BTFO in the second), where he displays his own version of "it's all relative, man, it's all a social construction" which is tantamount to a flavor of "postmodernism".

-Derrida is better described in his own terms as a deconstructionist, but the emphasis on problematizing shifts in the text (where is the truth) is as close to postmodernism as-such, as makes no difference.

-Lyotard is the one to whom the label/epithet most accurately applies: he wrote "The Postmodern condition", a text popularizing the word, defining it as a "skepticism toward metanarratives." More broadly, postmodernism is simply "everything that was going on in the 1980s": rejection of (old) modernism, kitsch eclecticism/nostalgia in architecture, current tech developments, and the one-generation-removed new popularity of these weird Frogs with their hard books among American academics esp. Yale.

[Anonymous No.14206310]

>>14206123
This is the best post on 4chan right now

[Anonymous No.14206326]

>>14203320
You interrupt him by pouring water over all his notes and throw flour at him.

[Anonymous No.14206327]

Drive really fast and cut through red lights

[Anonymous No.14206759]

>>14203364
>lacanian ink

milner is good
does someone have ink 33 by chance ?

>>14206123
good

>>14206327
pic related

[Anonymous No.14206882]

>>14203380
it already happened, you're just reading about it
lacan nor anyone else made it.

[Anonymous No.14207027]

>>14206759

Interesting pic since it suggests the Moro murder itself and the sort of fashionable pics which appeared in Tiqqun's garbage.

[Anonymous No.14207033]

>>14203954
>>14203562
just came here to post those