Buddhism

[Anonymous No.14193978]

Can we get a buddhism thread?
I'll start with Therevada, but all forms are welcome.
Reading list
>Pali Canon

[Anonymous No.14194083]

>>14193978

[Anonymous No.14194385]

>>14193978
Form is like a mass of foam
And feeling - but an airy bubble.
Perception is like a mirage
And formations a plantain tree.
Consciousness is a magic-show,
A juggler's trick entire.
All these similes were made known
By the 'Kinsman-of-the-Sun.
- S. III 142

Thus, monks, a Tathagata does not conceive of a visible thing as apart from sight; he does not conceive of an unseen; he
does not conceive of a 'thing-worth-seeing'; he does not conceive
about a seer.
He does not conceive of an audible thing as apart from hearing;
he does not conceive of an unheard; he does not conceive of a
'thing-worth-hearing'; he does not conceive about a hearer.
He does not conceive of a thing to be sensed as apart from
sensation; he does not conceive of an unsensed; he does not
conceive of a 'thing-worth-sensing'; he does not conceive about one
who senses.
He does not conceive of a cognizable thing as apart from
cognition; he does not conceive of an uncognized; he does not
conceive of a 'thing-worth-cognizing'; he does not conceive about
one who cognizes
- AN 4.24

“Just as if, friend, two bundles of reeds were to stand one
supporting the other, even so consciousness is dependent on name-and-form and name-and-form is dependent on consciousness;

and the six sense-spheres on name-and-form, contact on the six sensespheres, feeling on contact, craving on feeling, grasping on
craving, becoming on grasping, birth on becoming and decayand-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief and despair are
dependent on birth. Thus is the arising of this entire mass of
suffering. But, friend, if one of those two bundles of reeds is drawn
out, the other one would fall down, and if the latter is drawn out the
former one will fall down. Even so, friend, with the cessation of
name-and-form, consciousness ceases; with the cessation of
consciousness, name-and-form ceases; with the cessation of
name-and-form, the six sense-spheres cease . . . . . Thus comes to
be the cessation of this entire mass of suffering.”
- SN 2 12 67

..."What do you think: Do you regard the Tathagata as form-feeling-perception-fabrications-consciousness?"

"No, lord."

"Do you regard the Tathagata as that which is without form, without feeling, without perception, without fabrications, without consciousness?"

"No, lord."

"And so, Anuradha — when you can't pin down the Tathagata as a truth or reality even in the present life — is it proper for you to declare, 'Friends, the Tathagata — the supreme man, the superlative man, attainer of the superlative attainment — being described, is described otherwise than with these four positions: The Tathagata exists after death, does not exist after death, both does & does not exist after death, neither exists nor does not exist after death'?"

"No, lord."...

"Very good, Anuradha. Very good. Both formerly & now, it is only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress."

- SN 22.86

[Anonymous No.14194394]

>>14194385
Then Ven. Maha Kotthita went to Ven. Sariputta and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side.

As he was sitting there, he said to Ven. Sariputta, "With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media [vision, hearing, smell, taste, touch, & intellection] is it the case that there is anything else?"

[Sariputta:] "Don't say that, my friend."

[Maha Kotthita:] "With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media, is it the case that there is not anything else?"

[Sariputta:] "Don't say that, my friend."

[Maha Kotthita:] "...is it the case that there both is & is not anything else?"

[Sariputta:] "Don't say that, my friend."

[Maha Kotthita:] "...is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?"

[Sariputta:] "Don't say that, my friend."

[Maha Kotthita:] "Being asked if, with the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media, there is anything else, you say, 'Don't say that, my friend.' Being asked if ... there is not anything else ... there both is & is not anything else ... there neither is nor is not anything else, you say, 'Don't say that, my friend.' Now, how is the meaning of your words to be understood?"

[Sariputta:] "The statement, 'With the remainderless stopping & fading of the six contact-media [vision, hearing, smell, taste, touch, & intellection] is it the case that there is anything else?' objectifies non-objectification.[1] The statement, '... is it the case that there is not anything else ... is it the case that there both is & is not anything else ... is it the case that there neither is nor is not anything else?' objectifies non-objectification. However far the six contact-media go, that is how far objectification goes. However far objectification goes, that is how far the six contact media go. With the remainderless fading & stopping of the six contact-media, there comes to be the stopping, the allaying of objectification.
- AN 4.174

[Anonymous No.14194406]

>>14194394
"This world, Kaccayana, usually bases (its views) on two things: on
existence and non-existence. Now, he who with right insight sees the
arising of the world as it really is, does not hold with the nonexistence of the world. And he who with right insight sees the
passing away of the world as it really is, does not hold with the
existence of the world.

The world, for the most part, is given to
approaching, grasping, entering into and getting entangled (as
regards views). Whoever does not approach, grasp and take his stand
upon that proclivity towards approaching and grasping, that mental
standpoint - namely, the thought: 'This is my soul' - he knows that
what arises is just suffering and what ceases is just suffering. Thus
he is not in doubt, is not perplexed and herein he has knowledge that
is not dependent on another. Thus far, Kaccayana, he has right view.
'Everything exists,' this is one extreme. 'Nothing exists,' this is the
other extreme. Not approaching either of those extremes, the
Tathagata teaches the Dhamma by the middle way: From ignorance
as condition formations come to be; from formations as condition
consciousness comes to be . . . Such is the arising of this entire mass
of suffering. From the complete fading away and cessation of that
very ignorance, there comes to be the cessation of formations; from
the cessation of formations, the cessation of consciousness . . . . .
Such is the cessation of this entire mass of suffering."
- AN 2.12.15

[Anonymous No.14194419]

>>14194406
"Consciousness, which is non-manifestative,
Endless, lustrous on all sides,
Here it is that earth and water,
Fire and air no footing find,
Here it is that long and short,
Fine and coarse, pleasant, unpleasant,
And name-and-form,
Are cut off without exception,
When consciousness has surceased,
These are held in check herein."
- DN 11

[Anonymous No.14194454]

>>14193978
>Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there he asked the Blessed One: “Now then, Master Gotama, is there a self?”
>
>When this was said, the Blessed One was silent.
>
>“Then is there no self?”
>
>A second time, the Blessed One was silent.
>
>Then Vacchagotta the wanderer got up from his seat and left.
What did he mean by this?

Also a nice poem Thag 6:2 Tekicchakāni:
>The grain: harvested.
>The rice: gone to be threshed.
>But I don’t get any alms.
>How will I get by?
>Confident, recollect
>the immeasurable Buddha.
>Your body pervaded with rapture,
>you’ll be at the height
>of continual joy.
>Confident, recollect
>the immeasurable Dhamma.
>Your body pervaded with rapture,
>you’ll be at the height
>of continual joy.
>Confident, recollect
>the immeasurable Saṅgha.
>Your body pervaded with rapture,
>you’ll be at the height
>of continual joy.
>You live in the open air.
>Cold are these wintry nights.
>Don’t suffer, overcome with the cold.
>Go into your hut, with its fastened bolt.
>I’ll fasten the four
>immeasurables.
>With them, I’ll dwell
>in comfort.
>I won’t suffer from the cold,
>dwelling
>unperturbed.

[Anonymous No.14194480]

what's the most beautiful Buddhist text?

[Anonymous No.14194481]

>>14194454
>What did he mean by this?
Something like this:
>>14194406
>Thus far, Kaccayana, he has right view.
>'Everything exists,' this is one extreme. 'Nothing exists,' this is the
>other extreme. Not approaching either of those extremes, the
>Tathagata teaches the Dhamma by the middle way

[Anonymous No.14194488]

>>14194480
maybe Shantideva's The Way of the Bodhisattva for its pure poetic value and expression of compassion

[Anonymous No.14194507]

>>14194480
this

http://promienie.net/images/dharma/books/longchenpa_treasury-of-the-basic-space-of-phenomena.pdf

[Anonymous No.14194510]

Maybe I can get some answers for this here

>>14194499

[Anonymous No.14194561]

>>14194510
you might have a hard time with concentration at first, so you might be better suited to exploring dry vipassana to start out (though concentration becomes a necessity after some point)
check out Practical Insight Meditation

[Anonymous No.14194650]

>>14194510
We need more information on your problem.
Feeling like your not getting anywhere for the first 10 minutes or so is perfectly normal, by the way.
Maybe do some mild exercise like a walk or yoga or tai-chi or something beforehand?
You might also try meditating in a standing position.
Make sure you have proper padding when you sit too.
You might want to try meditating on a mantra maybe?
I found setting a timer was very anxiety inducing.
Counting progress on a bead bracelet reduced the problem.
Oh and meditating in a park is very nice.

[Anonymous No.14194675]

>>14194650
I find that after a few minutes of mediating I feel incredibly violent and I want to just smash shit against the walls. I feel like I have been dropped to the bottom of an ocean covered in chains and can't move and I would literally start fighting the closest person and get my ass beat just to feel in control again rather than the sensation of imprisonment I get when I am forced to remain motionless.

[Anonymous No.14194683]

>>14194675
try walking meditation with noting

[Anonymous No.14194733]

>>14194675
Yeah I have that feeling.

Where do you meditate?
Do you meditate in your room in a noisy house?
Do you have a bad relationship with your family or roommates, find them annoying?

I think I have two pieces of advice for you:

1. For now you should probably find a more relaxing place to meditate.
It doesn't have to be quiet exactly but it shouldn't be painful for you.

2. I have found that when I can successfully deal with my fears and anxieties and calm them down through meditation I can take that nervous energy and turn it into a lot of positive energy and that what I thought was a lot of pain and weakness can actually be a lot of power.
Working through anxieties is a delicate matter and I wouldn't suggest deliberating meditating in a seriously stressful place to an absolute beginner.
But maybe if you have social anxiety or something I would suggest taking 5 minutes or so to sit the next time you're at a coffee shop or someplace similar.

[Anonymous No.14194783]

>>14193978
Can I get a redpill on tantra?

[Anonymous No.14194824]

>>14194783
very advanced level practice. Not for the naive beginner with no experience or meditative attainments.

[Anonymous No.14194847]

>>14194783
It's a secret buddy

[Anonymous No.14195073]

what's the fuckin point of buddhism if I don't belive in kamma/.rebirth?

stupid religion based on some crazy ass indian ideas from 2500 years ago

hurr there's like this magic substance? that has causal effects on your rebirth so you better do good and give to the monks so you can have good rebirth goy! you wouldn'ty wanna burn in hell!!

there is literally no functional difference between buddhist nibbana (without remainder) and the way an atheist materialist views death - lights out, life over, no more becoming, timeless non-condition

from western perspective nibbana is guaranteed with a bullet in your head, no need to do stupid mind autism shit. kamma is bunk idea, the world system is totally wacked out and nonsense, and there's not even any coherent proof for rebirth anyway.

why spend life trying to end cycle of rebirth, when rebirth is just some stupid religious idea from failed prince 2500 years ago?

stupid stupid stupid

b-but le ancient chink wisdom! le mystical slant eyed gook who speaks in koans!! so spiritual!!

[Anonymous No.14195223]

>>14195073
Meditation is pretty good I guess?

[Anonymous No.14195231]

>>14195073
Better than modern angstlords like you with no profound knowledge on anything but your petty mundane interests.

[Anonymous No.14195232]

AMITABHA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjLVkuj26nY

[Anonymous No.14195246]

>>14195232
Not an adherent of meemitabhism myself but I like this chant.
https://youtu.be/sd-AeR6EdWk