You can't claim to have read the western canon if you haven't read these books

[Anonymous No.14178442]

The Ancient Near East

Gilgamesh
Egyptian Book of the Dead
Holy Bible (King James Version)
The Apocrypha
Sayings of the Fathers (Pirke Aboth)

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Ancient India (Sanskrit)

Mahabharata
Bhagavad-Gita
Ramayana
Upanishads

[Anonymous No.14178493]

>>14178442
Aside from the King James Bible and Gilgamesh, those aren't the western canon. Good books, worth reading, not western.

[Anonymous No.14178538]

>>14178493
If those aren't western, then the Greeks aren't western. Lol. These works are far more important to the west than homer.

[Anonymous No.14178557]

>>14178442
>western canon
>Indian literature

>>14178538
Oh fuck, it's retarded

[Anonymous No.14178623]

>>14178557
>Influences all of philosophy
>Most 20th century philosophers ripped off indian shit
Alright, bud. Let's play your game. If it's not western because it's from another place, then the Bible is not western, because it too is not from a western place. The point here is its influence.

[Anonymous No.14178659]

>>14178623
>>Influences all of philosophy
Considering that Indian lit started getting translated into European languages only somewhere in the 19th century, I do find that statement questionable.
>>Most 20th century philosophers ripped off indian shit
Yeah sure
You're an indian, right?

[Anonymous No.14178865]

>>14178659
Not indian, but you're laughably ignorant on philosophy and history. You're salty that you haven't read the greatest pieces of literature

[Anonymous No.14178876]

>>14178493
>Girugameshu
>western

[Anonymous No.14178990]

>>14178865
Feel free to educate me, then. Give some references, books to read, if you're too lazy to actually explain.

[Anonymous No.14178993]

>>14178442
> Ancient street shitter
No thanks

[Anonymous No.14179011]

>>14178442
Indian texts are part of the... Indian canon, not the Western canon.
Just like, I'm sure the The Tale of Genji is a great text if you can read Ancient Japanese. But it is also not part of the Western Canon, it would be part of the Japanese or Eastern Asian canon.

[Anonymous No.14179024]

>>14179011
They are as essential to the west as gilgamesh/ the bible. Stop being ignorant
>>14178993
Another ignorant statement. The Mahab is 10x the size of Iliad and Odyssey and is considered the greatest piece of literature.
>>14178990
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20941.The_Western_Canon

[Anonymous No.14179072]

>>14178442
Based OP
>>14178557
>>14178493
>>14178993
>>14178990
Damn. Are we so flippantly dismissing Bloom on /lit/ now? How sad.

[Anonymous No.14179137]

>>14179024
>The Mahab is 10x the size of Iliad and Odyssey and is considered the greatest piece of literature.
By who?

[Anonymous No.14179210]

>>14179024
>The Mahab is 10x the size of Iliad and Odyssey
>hurrr it's bigger therefore it's better
impressive brainletism

>is considered the greatest piece of literature.
maybe by street shitters such as you

>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20941.The_Western_Canon
That's not "all of philosophy", especially not 20th century, as you said before.
Also, congrats, that was a nice move, to copypaste the books from Bloom's list. It's still completely irrelevant because that kike practically never mentions Indian literature in the actual text of the book, just namedrops all this stuff at the end in the appendix.
Besides, if everything on Bloom's list is canonical, you should also read Tony Kushner's two part drama about homosexuality and AIDS which is on there alongside your street shitting soap operas.

[Anonymous No.14179252]

>Egyptian Book of the Dead
What? Why?

[Anonymous No.14179304]

Shan't be reading anything before the Greeks. They didn't win at Salamina for us tor read savages.

[Anonymous No.14179306]

>>14179210
I never said that it's better due to the fact it is bigger. Your blatant disregard, due to what appears to be racism, frankly annoys and disappoints me. I'm not sure what I could say to you to convince you of the value of literature, but I do wish that you give it a shot and appreciate its value. What you're doing, essentially, is dismissing a piece of literature that is as great as Homer's works because of 4chan memes.
>>14179252
Its influence on the Greeks.

[Anonymous No.14179316]

>>14179306
Why is it a great piece of work?

[Anonymous No.14179340]

>>14179316
One layer to it, of course, is the fact that its story is really good. It's a massive war epic akin to the Odyssey, that still holds up thousands of years later. Why I'd argue it has more value than the Odyssey: it's more than just a story. It's layered with philosophy, while Homer's works are not. For instance, the Bhagavad-Gita, which in it, is possibly one of the most profound works of all time.

[Anonymous No.14179381]

>>14179340
>War epic akin to the Odyssey
>Homers works are not layered with philosophy
You've clearly never read them so why should I give a shit about your retarded opinion

[Anonymous No.14179409]

>>14179381
They're layered with philosophy in the essence that all of fiction is a vehicle for the authors ideas. My point is that the Bhaghavad-Gita is explicitly philosophy that uses fiction as a means, where as with Homer philosophy isn't at the forefront. Also, your ignorance reveals itself in your crassness. I'ts not necessarily my opinion in particular that the Mahabharata is one of the most important works of all time, it's the general academic consensus. Not that I'm saying you should listen to academic consensus for the sake of it being the academic consensus.

[Anonymous No.14179417]

>>14179409
>General academic consensus
>For the greatest work of fiction
Big if true

[Anonymous No.14179487]

>>14179306
>I'm not sure what I could say to you to convince you of the value of literature
Maybe actually substantiating your claims that you stuck on here like a monkey throwing its shit at a wall would help, instead of ignoring any actual argumentation. Show me those concrete and deep relations that western literature and philosophy supposedly have with India, as you suggested.

>>14179409
>Mahabharata is one of the most important works of all time, it's the general academic consensus
Not very likely, considering that there are just two or three English translations of it, all in prose, that almost nobody has read all the way through. Academics have better shit to do than to slog through writing that resembles a bollywood production. The philosophy of Mahabharata that you mention hardly exists outside Bhagavad-Gita, which is a miniscule section of the whole.
It's just sad to see a shitskin so desperately trying to smuggle its culture under the banner of the West.

[Anonymous No.14179790]

>>14178442
>western canon
>ancient india
I don't get why people shill poo books I mean cmon man. Maybe a bunch of Indians are using their newly acquired internet connection to try and validate their awful poo canon.

[Anonymous No.14179800]

>>14179024
100% just some indian coping for their culture being a cesspool that hasn't produced a single book worth reading or philosophy worth studying.

[Anonymous No.14179843]

>>14178493
>>14178538
>>14178557
>>14178623
>>14178659

Lit slowly coming to the conclusion that the concept of a Western Canon is in itself idiotic.

[Anonymous No.14179865]

>>14178442
I get that you are baiting to make a point about the western "canon" being a very artificial concept, but can't you just argue about it honestly instead of making a shit thread?

[Anonymous No.14179888]

>>14179865
I'm literally just upholding Bloom's western canon. What are you talking about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_canon#Bloom's_four_ages
>>14179487
>Academics have better shit to do than to slog through writing that resembles a bollywood production.
So anti-intellectual that I cringed. Read some literature, man. Christ.
>>14179800
>>14179790
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_canon#Bloom's_four_ages

>Bloom dead
>/lit/ desecrates him and his ideas that were once preached
Sad

[Anonymous No.14179894]

>>14178493
Sanskrit canon is European though

[Anonymous No.14179930]

>>14178442
>"Western Canon"
That's a good start, but you could hardly call that a "Western Canon" without also including:
>Homer
>Ovid
>Herodotus
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Virgil
>Marcus Aurelius
>St. Augustine
>St. Thomas Aquinas
>Dante Alighieri
>Geoffrey Chaucer
>William Shakespeare
>René Descartes
>John Milton
>David Hume
>Adam Smith
>Edward Gibbon
>Charles Dickens
>Herman Melville
>Mark Twain

[Anonymous No.14179941]

>>14178442
is Persona 4 part of the Western Canon too?

[Anonymous No.14179959]

>>14179930
Yep, those come after

[Anonymous No.14180021]

>>14179888
Bloom didn’t accord ancient Indian literature the importance that you are giving it

[Anonymous No.14180034]

>>14179930
>Edward Gibbon
>Charles Dickens
>Geoffrey Chaucer
>Mark Twain
Take these shitty moralizing redundant A*gloids out and I might agree with your post

[Anonymous No.14180049]

>>14180034
Chaucer and Dickens are too important to leave out

[Anonymous No.14180058]

>>14179941
God that game is so bad.
2 > 3 >>>> 5 > 1 >>>>>>>>>> dogshit >>>>>>>>> 4

[Anonymous No.14180065]

>>14179941

[Anonymous No.14180072]

>>14180058
Why? Also, sell me on 2.

[Anonymous No.14180076]

>>14180072
Not a single likeable character in 4

[Anonymous No.14180084]

>>14180076
Why do you hate your little sister?

[Anonymous No.14180127]

Fuck the westcuck canon. I'll just read what I want instead of trying to earn the approval of some retarded academic.

[Anonymous No.14180300]

>>14180076
4 has the most likeable and realistic characters in the series with the exception of maybe 2

[Anonymous No.14180831]

>>14179072
bloom dismissed that list though.

[Anonymous No.14180925]

>>14178442