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14154065 No.14154065 [Reply] [Original]

Carlyle was right about the Industrial Revolution. Scientists have replaced priests due their know-how, but when it comes to morality we have abortions, genetic engineering and weapons of mass destruction. Thechnique is in clear opposition to soul.

>> No.14154087
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14154087

True anti-capitalism is romantic in nature. The Marxist love of progress only fuels the march of capitalist technology.

>> No.14154119

>>14154087
This is a very, very, interesting point. I don't know why is considered more often. The capital means possibilities of production, just as the machines. What came before, the machine or the capital? It is a pointless discussion.

>> No.14154123
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>>14154087
where in Marx does he "love progress"? Define progress, and then show me the quotes. I am waiting.

>> No.14154124

>>14154119
it's not*

>> No.14154148

>>14154123
By accepting the dialectical transition of feudalism to capitalism to communism as a historical and metaphysical necessity. It is worship of progress. He is not interested in dismantling the corporate economy, but seizing control of it in the name of particular class interests. He accepts the Industrial Revolution as an unalterable fact. Marxism lacks ethics and it lacks a vision for how utopian society will conduct itself beyond an economical schema.

>> No.14154159

>>14154065
>Academics and intellectuals have replaced priests
Fixed. The ideas and policies pumped out of the humanities and social sciences are as much to blame as the science and technology.

>> No.14154166

>>14154148
>Marxism lacks ethics
OKAY.
SHUT UP. You have no clue what you're talking about.

>> No.14154181

>>14154119
>What came before, the machine or the capital?
Wouldn't spirituality be what came before?

>> No.14154184
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>>14154166
>unironically using tumblrspeak on 4chins

>> No.14154190

>>14154184
I...what???

>> No.14154200

>>14154159
But the first ones to divorce them where scientists. With the industrialization there was the assumption that the scientific method was the only way for achieving true knowledge which it will eventually materialize in more visible progress (technological). Academics are only the scientists that don't study nature, and intellectuals are a minor elite of academics.

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>>14154065
Eugenics is objectively the most moral dogma to ever exist. It is not debatable.

>> No.14154221

>>14154166
Tell me right now what the socialist wants

>> No.14154225
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>>14154148
and if it is not Marxism which overthrows capitalism, then what will?

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>>14154225
Syndicalism

>> No.14154289

>>14154221
Dictatorship of the Proletariat

>> No.14154328

>>14154289
What does this kind of society look like? What ethical standards does it hold itself to?

>> No.14154341

>>14154289
>Dictatorship
Try bringing that up with the Democratic specialist.

>> No.14154346

>>14154328
The proletariat rules democratically amongst theirselves, so exploitation of the worker is no longer tolerated.

>> No.14154377

>>14154346
>>>14154328 #
>The proletariat rules democratically
So we DO finally get a far right government in America, since the left wing liberal types are usually from the urban middle class and now finally get shut up.
Fucking based.

>> No.14154382

>>14154377
urban middle class are workers to fucking retard

>> No.14154392

>>14154382
>urban middle class are workers
Neither are they proletariat, nor is sitting in an office making sure coffee distribution on worksites is racially none-discriminatory "work".

>> No.14154447

>>14154392
you don't know what proletariat means, don't you? Proletarians are those who don't own the means of production and they have to work for a wage

>> No.14155553

>>14154065
Based image.

>> No.14155596

>>14154377
>democracy
>far right

>> No.14155627

Carlyle was right about pretty much everything

>> No.14155686

>>14154087
this

marxists promote techno-capital and fight against other socialisms harder than they fight against capitalism...if the marxists turn out to be wrong then they were useful idiots/controlled opposition all along...

>> No.14155701

>>14154123
Every day capitalism hasn't imploded is a day where it's necessary to live through capitalism so they can produce more iBads that communism will need.

>> No.14155905

>>14154225
Theocracy

>> No.14155924

aborting unwanted babies, thus preventing a lifetime of suffering. is objectively moral. cope christfags

>> No.14156734

>>14155924
I don't suppose having more self control is an option

>> No.14156875

>>14156734
Yes because Downie babies are great and a total act of free will

>> No.14156914

>>14154087
Is Marx's wikipedia page the only one you've read?