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How's the writing career coming, /lit/?

>> No.14153062

>>14153060
Not progressing as quickly as my heroin addiction

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>>14153060
it isn't

>> No.14153518

I don't write.

Sometimes I doubt I ever will.

>> No.14153574

>>14153060
I've been working on my novel for the last 15 years. I'm exhausted to be honest. I'm only 37 pages in.

>> No.14153578

>>14153518
If you did, what would you write about?

>> No.14154168

>>14153060
Only 20k words left to go, so.

>> No.14154236

My dream is to write a murder mystery where the twist is that one of the characters was a figment of the protagonist's imagination the whole time, but everytime I try to sit down and figure out the thing, I realize I can't write any protagonist that isn't a blatant self insert of myself and it makes me feel pretty pathetic

>> No.14154247

>>14153060
I've been writing. That's about all I can say

>> No.14154257

I'm doing a contemporary notes from underground about a woman in her late 30s who raped a 12 year old about 10 years earlier.

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>>14153060
Enough to pay the bills. Seems to be growing too.

Traditional publishing is effort death.

>> No.14154407

>>14154257
>i am a sick woman

no thanks, we don't need the reddit version

>> No.14154526

>>14154407
Fuck off. It's far from reddit. I didn't know how to make an interesting male character in that scenario that hasn't been done. It's inspired by this news article I read about this teacher from a high school near me fired for having sex with a 13 year old.

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>>14154407
Here. It's still really rough
.>>14154526

>> No.14154535

>>14153060
horribly tbqh

at the worst it has ever been

>> No.14154553

>>14153060
I haven't written a single word that wasn't part of a 4channel shitpost in over a month

>> No.14154554

>>14154531
>with a shitty job
>Bukowski caricatures usually entailing drunken hedonistic sex
>Imagine the type of man that thanks you after getting kicked in the balls

kek

>> No.14154563

>>14154531
Holy...

>> No.14154569

I tried writing the story of a Jewish man during The Third Reich but after reading Borges' Deutsches Requiem, the inspiration is over. Better try with something else.

>> No.14154623

>>14154531
>>14154257
If you haven't, read A Fan's Notes and Pleasant Hell. They're not as dark as Notes From the Underground but I think their influence can be good for you.

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I found out in the last two weeks that I'm going to have two additional poems published, one by a website that's published me before and one by a brand new group.

That will bring the total amount of published poems I have to seven. I have also gotten four short stories published.

But how do I move from this stage to "major writer" stage? I've gotten all this stuff published, but how do I go from there to actually being a writer people have heard of, and who can make a living off of his work? How do I make the leap from published-but-obscure to being on the level of Philip Roth, or at least Gene Wolfe?

>> No.14154644

Four years ago I finished my best short story and it was rejected by all 15 publications I submitted it to. Many of them were very complimentary though and wrote about what they felt were the work's strengths and invited me to submit again. Since then, I have written a draft of most of a novel. Old professors and mentors and friends to whom I've sent excerpts have been overwhelmingly positive and have said they are "looking forward to seeing it in print."

The old story feels dishonest now and I haven't submitted anything else anywhere in years and the novel draft is dead no matter how often I open it up or try to edit or complete it I think because the closer it gets to done means the closer I get to having to try and send it out only to be rejected and I haven't written anything but delirious poetry and shitposts since March and maybe I should just abandon the fucked thing and follow one of twenty other paths worth writing through but I can't take the thought of throwing away two years of emptying myself into one piece and that would just be procrastinating anyway because they'll get almost finished and I'll get fucking scared again because no matter how much I know rejection is "part of the process" and even when I joke that I'm "shooting for one hundred rejections this year" it fucking hurts to keep getting shit on by faceless emailed apologies and see so much shit literature everywhere around me published and celebrated when i have spent so much to make something thoughtful and compelling and new and I'm fucking depressed and sick of teaching and the kids don't give a goddamned shit about Latin poetry anyway but how the fuck am I supposed to eat otherwise
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>> No.14154656

I'm pretty much done with it

I gave up trying to get published or noticed by someone important, and now I'm trying to write scripts for a podcast me and a friend are planning and some videos and short movies I want to shoot/animate myself.

The chances of making it with podcast and movies are just as low as before, but at least I can fail on my own terms instead of having to ask people for permission.

>> No.14154718

>>14154623
Will do, thanks anon.

>> No.14154720

>>14154563
What?

>> No.14154817

>>14154644
Reading this all thing really fucking breaks me, anon. I've been writing a book for more than 2 years and wrote some novels here and there to make my portfolio a bit fatter. In my country, editors are a bit more open minded to novelty, but I'm not sure if my work will get a pass though. Soon I'll finish my book and polish it, and propose it to editors. I know for a fact that nowadays it's all about following shitty pre-established tropes, but I really hope that I'll have a chance.
I'm with you, anon. Really want to read your work, you already look like somebody who has more experience and that's great. Hope someday you'll get the chance I too am dreaming of having.
I got several questions to ask to you, but I'm not sure if you'd accept to anwser them somewhere else.

>> No.14154843

>>14154817
what country are you in, anon?

>> No.14154897

>>14154843
>>14154843
Faguette land, what about you?

>> No.14154994

>>14154376
>trad pub is effort death
what do you mean by that?

>> No.14155308

>>14154635
git gud (or provocative)

>> No.14155319

I already have a job so I just write for myself

>> No.14155336

>>14153060
It never started. Whenever I intend to I defeat myself with negative thoughts like dude, do you think you’re going to become a writer in 2019? People don’t ever read classical authors anymore (some don’t even know their names). Nobody will read your books, so why bother?

>> No.14155396

>>14154236
Writing about oneself isn't bad as long as it isn't a fetishistic work. That's the conclusion I've reached after not writing anything for a while and reflecting. Write. No one said you couldn't write about yourself. You might be using the people around yourself as characters instead of creating them. That's fine, too. Just write.

>> No.14155429

>>14153060
After struggling for an entire year, I've made a habit of writing everyday. The problem is . . . I don't have anything to write about. I don't know what's worse: Wanting to write, having a plot but not writing because of procrastination or having nothing to write despite turning writing into a habit. It's gotten so bad that I even wrote about a write wanting to write but having nothing to write about. That was one month ago. It was the last acceptable thing I wrote.

>> No.14155560

>>14155429
What do you write about if you don’t have anything to write about?

>> No.14155688

It's not going anywhere anytime fast but I'm working and that's the main thing right now.

>> No.14155703

I self-published on Amazon for the first time under my real name, not my pen name

>> No.14155715

>>14155336
Anyone has a rebuttal to this?

>> No.14155726

>>14155703
self-publishing is risky, but under one's real name, it's ballsy beyond steeltestical

>> No.14155772

>>14153060
Dropped the idea of being a writer but I became a vidya journalist, which is close enough for me nowadays

>> No.14155773

>>14155726
Yes, only good boy books for my real name

>> No.14155896

>>14155726
But nah man, it's less ballsy to self publish. Write whatever, draw a cover in gimp, and upload to Amazon. What takes real balls is sending your work out to agents and publishers, and awaiting their responses. That is courage and confidence

>> No.14156149

>>14155429
translate

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>>14154994
Honestly? Sour grapes. I haven't bothered looking for an agent and have instead focused on acquiring a network of freelance online writing gigs to accompany my own mid-tier Literotica career. Planning on penning my first proper novel over the next few months and see where things go from there financially speaking.

Once the novel part is done I should definitely look for an agent, but at the moment it comes across like wasted effort when looking into just how little money is made in the industry even when fully entrenched but not wildly successful. It seems like the mid-tier successes of self-publishing are more financially rewarding than the mid-tier successes of traditional. Though again I'll freely admit this could just be a fox and the grapes type situation on my end.

>> No.14156338

I have solved 4chan. Big things coming

>> No.14156681

>>14154817
I hope you make it, m8. I'm rooting for you. Also happy to answer any questions, but I doubt I'll be much help

>> No.14156741

>>14156338
we're waiting, anon

>> No.14156761

>>14156235
sounds true. I dunno, man, I just want to get my stuff out there without blocking a potential big success. like self-pub and perhaps one day be scouted by some big deal company.

>> No.14156810

>>14153060
I've got an outline for the first chapter of my book, its not much but its something. I've also decided on an ending I really like. Now it's just the other 98% of the book that needs work.

>> No.14156838

>>14153060
A poem I wrote was accepted for publication at a small university press! It’s the first time I’ve been published outside my own college’s magazine. Feels good bro.

>> No.14156932

Haven't been published since February. I got like 4 stories floating around in submissions, two got a decent chance of getting published, don't know about the other two. The strongest one is in a contest with the prize worth a few thousand bucks, would be really nice if I won that, I'm hopeful seeing how I wrote the story specifically for that contest. I've also never finished better than third in anything I entered, so would be nice to finally win something. Although....I think I actually did win one contest before, but I may have kinda pissed off the publishers and they might have demoted me to third. I'm also editing one last short story, that might have a chance to get published, I think I wrote over a dozen of them this year, so far none of them have made it.

In terms of books, I made a big push to get this one literary fic type novel I wrote to get published this year, hasn't really gone anywhere. I got another novel sitting around that's more commercial, I tried to get it published before but failed, but I also had no fucking idea what I was doing. I reworked that book and want to make another effort to get it published, but I keep saying I want to rack up some more publications creds first so I can look more impressive to agents.

But even if that fails, I'm currently writing another novel that I think falls pretty much squarely in line with what most publishers are looking for. It's kind of a YA setup, but it's got a very nasty twist, and I'm trying to make it a lit fic type book with a YA type vibe. Haven't totally figured it out yet, just experimenting as I go along, i'll figure it out eventually.

>> No.14156958

>>14153060
Several short story publications, most recent ones through university journals, and an essay out.

Book of short stories really shaping up. Several of the best of those are out on the market now. Starting with places that'd be huge CV-boosters, so it's slow/discouraging going.

Novel is at around 35-40k words right now. Glimmers of goodness but still undeveloped. Worried the subject matter will never fly as it's overtly critical of progressivism and big tech.

But being poor sucks. Gotta find a new way to make money. Not something to be underestimated as a writer: the value of a low-effort, medium-pay job you wouldn't mind too much leaving behind.

>> No.14156973

>>14156958
> a low-effort, medium-pay job

Do those really exist....? Because I've been looking. My current plan is to get ripped and go around looking for a rich widow to plow. Serious.

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>>14156838
Congrats
>>14156235
novel-wise, imo, you're not in the game until you have an agent. the payoff is more than you think.

>>14154644
The story might need another round of revision, but either way, fiften rejections is not the stopping point.
>>14154635
Congrats! Get an agent (novels, maybe stories) and/or start entering contests with a poetry manuscript. There are also presses that accept full manuscripts for possible publication (usually requires a reading fee).

>> No.14156991

>>14154635

Well, first you need a product to sell. So get one of those. Then you need to go out and find someone to sell it for you.

>> No.14156996

>>14156973
gigolo is high-effort and low pay in my book

high effort: 24/7
mid effort: 8/5
low effort: 4/4

high pay: 24 k or more per year
mid pay: 12-24k a year
low pay: 12k or less a year

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>>14156973
Several writers I know have ugly/fat wives with good jobs. What's the lit life worth to you?

I've thought about settling down just for increased financial security. But the jezebels...

>> No.14157001

>>14156838

Not to piss all over your ice cream, but really...university presses don't really count as being published.

There's tiers to the type of publication you can count as a writing cred, maybe the The New Yorker is at the top, but university presses aren't even on the scale.

It's good if you're in college and all that, but you can't go out in the real world and toss those creds around like they're anything.

>> No.14157005

>>14154720
he wants more!

>> No.14157020

>>14157001
This is wrong. University presses are not all created equal, but many of the best of them are right below the "glossies" in terms of prestige. A story in the Iowa Review is a pretty big deal, for example.

Are you confusing this with university-specific journals that publish their own undergrads? Very different story.

>> No.14157055

>>14157020
The idiot obviously wasn't talking about the new ohio review or anything, but the university student run press that basically publishes anything students send it.

>> No.14157057

>>14155715
there isn't one, if you're glory-oriented. for the humble the book will be its own reward.

>> No.14157080

>>14157055

>>14156838
>at a small university press! . . . first time outside my own college's magazine

Looks like some of us need to work harder on our reading careers first.

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>>14156985
Do you have any advice for a furry porn writer as to how to acquire an agent? It seems like with traditional publishing I'll have to deleted all of my established following online to distance myself from past writings, and I don't want to do that. I'd rather just grow a more dedicated fanbase than start from scratch in a nearly different market.

>>14156761
Go for it regardless of strategies. At least if you're like me and would regret it too much not to pursue.

>> No.14157102

>>14157089
Write a good book and don't mention the furry career in your query letter. Maybe go under a pen name.

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>>14157102
That's fairly reasonable advice, thanks. I will take it.

How's your work coming along anon?

>> No.14157224

Really good, I’m incredibly proud of the book I’m writing. I think it’s genuinely unique, interesting, and moving.

>> No.14157231

The more I read the more I realize my soul is overwhelmingly French. I'm trying to suppress my Germanic autism so that I can write something heartfelt.

>> No.14157256

>>14157231

Frederick t. Great

>> No.14157395

>>14157137
this
>>14156958
is me

At 600 words for the day right now. Another 200 for a deadline this evening. Kind of not loving it, but it's an exploratory draft.

>> No.14157562

>>14157005
I'm working on it!

>> No.14157853

>>14156997
Isn't that called gold digging? Thor's little brother did that with Miley Cyrus and even he didn't last that long

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>>14156958
>>14157395
That sounds like you're right on the cusp of taking off. That sounds like it'd be a stressful time. Sometimes I think I should probably savor this kind of low stress but bairly sustainable present level of success forever so I don't have to worry about a larger fanbase.

It's still kind of cozy where I'm at, but I know I need to start working on more. Good luck with your novel and short story compilation anon.

We're gonna make it bros.

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>>14158493
I'm hopeful about the stories I'm marketing now. I know these are my best work, and I've been hitting middle-tier journals with other stuff, so I'm hopeful about a career-changer.

That said, it's still a book that begins to establish you. There's a long game to play, but the good news is that there's a high attrition rate among competitors. Just look at this thread.

>> No.14158721

>>14158561

Nah, i'm sure 90% of people who claim to be writing in this thread are just lying.

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>>14158561
You know I never took into account the high attrition rates, it's odd thinking that my ability to make things work for a year deviates so far from the norm for this career path. I've been in a bit of a funk as of late and I think this particular piece of information is useful.

When you do publish are you planning to tour convention halls to sell your book by hand much? That seems like a highly effective if costly strategy to spread awareness out.


While I think for now I'm set on self-publishing first I do think I'll be using the sales numbers to try and find an interested Agent.

>> No.14158761

>>14158723
Attrition aside, the vast majority of stuff that gets published is absolute garbage that is forgotten the second it's printed. Pick up any lit mag and you'll be very lucky if you find a single good piece in it.

So...with that in mind, if you can write something that's actually good, you can write your own way, literally. It still takes a ton of time and work, but there you go...

And if you suck or are mediocre at it, you can still make a living doing it if you really devote yourself and play it smart. Hell, most of the best selling books out there are either terrible or mediocre.

>> No.14158780

>>14153060
Two novels have 75% shitty first drafts complete. Thought I'd have both drafts done by Christmas but that ain't happening. Also have two short stories that are nearing completion. They took five fucking years to write, but it is what it is.
>>14153062
Please don't do heroin, bro. Please.

>> No.14158787

>>14158780
>Please don't do heroin, bro. Please.

Oh wow, never thought about it that way. Thanks bro, saved me a ton.

>> No.14158820

>>14158761

Yeah. It's all about how devoted you are, talent doesn't matter nearly as much as you think, if you're just talking in terms of being able to make a living at it. If you're trying to win the nobel it's another story but...

Most people just aren't willing to put the time in. Writing is like pretty much any other creative art, it'll take at least of decade of seriously working at it before you have any hope of being able to make money. Once people hear that, and the fact that there's no guarantee that it'll all work out after 10 years, they say fuck it and go serve coffee.

>> No.14158888

>>14157001
This lit magazine is commonly ranked in the top 50 nationwide and is tied to a pretty large state school, so I like to think it is a big step for me. Robert Pinsky, the poet and Dante translator, had work appear in it, so that’s a big deal to me, but you may be right! Either way it’s just good to take a step in the right direction even if it is small.

>> No.14158902

>>14157055
I shouldn’t have described it as a small university press, as it is at a big state school. It’s small in comparison to The New Yorker or The Paris Review, that is what I was trying to say.

>> No.14158904

>>14158787
Every hit you take digs you deeper into the hole.
Buy a bunch of junk food, cigarettes, magazines, books, and lock yourself in a room with just your tv and computer for 72 hours.

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>>14158761

While I've got you on the line I want to talk about another issue I've been having regarding creativity. I feel like my filter for qualitative judgments on good and bad things has skewed in an eerily permissive direction as of late.

I've taken a utilitarian/digestive attitude towards literature I think is vaguely reminiscent of my early days binging School of Life vids on youtube instead of having an actual university 101 career.

To get specific as to how this has affected my media diet is that I perceive media as literal consumables. I derive sustenance that I then digest back out through my arts and crafts. The only things worth consuming are things that nourish in this view, but all things have the capacity to nourish.

I've yet to really codify this perspective, and it feels materialistic and rings a touch hollow, but we're living in a material world and I'm a material bug.

What is your take on this?

>>14158820
Hard work pays the bills. That certainly seems to be true, even though there is a little luck at play it's like buying a ticket every day versus once or never.

A lot of people buy a few tickets here and there, few people buy them consistently.

Though the odds of being a writer these days are much higher than winning the lottery, especially if you factor in screenplays for film, tv, or even vidya.

>> No.14158934

>>14158916
>What is your take on this?

Sounds good, you'll figure it out.

>Though the odds of being a writer these days are much higher than winning the lottery,

The odds of being a writer these days are actually pretty good, provided you actually do the work to get there.

>> No.14158978

>>14158888
You're not Pinsky material.

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>>14158934
Thanks for another gently approving post.

It's been a while since I've bothered posting on /lit/ so it's nice to have a positive and mildly constructive chat.

I'd like to indulge in more conversion, but I think it's more prudent I put the advice to practice and get to work.

Fair well anon, fair well.

[o]

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>>14158984
Worked on a short story and finally cranked out an outline for draft number 6 of the long overdue novel. Nice day overall.

>> No.14160840

Can anyone recommend which magazines to submit to? I write in a realist style about power struggles in society.

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>>14160840
I'd actually also be interested in this information. I'm woefully unread when it comes to literary magazines.

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>>14160840
Literally any literary magazine would be applicable.

University-run literary journals (and certain independent ones) are good places to start. They're not (except the top 10-20) gigantic career-shapers, but they're selective and credible.

If you're totally unsure, maybe start with googling "entropy magazine where to submit." This place offers a list of magazines that are currently open within a 2-3 month window. You'll have to do some of your own "sniff tests" on which ones look appealing to you, but university-affiliation is one sure sign. Print is another good one. Online-wise, go by places that have some level of care in how they present work (site design, etc.). Looking up a place's twitter handle and seeing if they have any following is another decent indicator. 500+ is a pulse. 1k+ for a lit journal is decent. 5k+ even better. 10k+ territory and you're getting some serious exposure.

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>>14161034
And to clarify here, there are some magazines with specific aesthetic/content focuses. But more often, any given magazine just wants the "best" material they can find regardless of style, and prejudices vary by year depending on who's reading submissions and editing. That's part of why it's a numbers game, and you have to submit widely and simultaneously.

I question why I'm helping anons with this to some extent, as this is good and experienced advice. But I'm sick of the evangelical progressive literary establishment having a stranglehold on literary culture and want it to broaden. And be fun again. t. drunk anon

>> No.14162393

>>14160840

Probably 80% of the mags out there openly say they're looking for "truth to power," or "unrepresented voices". Take your pick.

I mean....nobody actually reads them, but they'll publish you.

>> No.14162444

>>14161034
>>14161053
Thanks for the advice dude.

>> No.14162563

>>14155396
>No one said you couldn’t write about yourself.

Yeah, that’s pretty much all there is to do now that everyone’s out of ideas. See: Knåusgard, Heti, Cusk, etc.

>> No.14162721

>>14162393
They say that, but a lot of them are just paying lip service to diversity and are ultimately just going to choose stuff they like. It's like a good guy badge.

And like I was saying, the actual editorial team making decisions often changes with shifting graduate student classes.

>> No.14162729

I realised that absurd poetry and depressive flash fiction are the genres that fit my style.

>> No.14162741

>>14153574
This.

>> No.14162955

What are the top 5 magazines (that aren't run by Jews)

>> No.14163562

Every time I get a rejection letter I always email back informing them that in a couple of years they will be ruing this. I'll rat them out when I'm being interviewed on some late night talk show. I'll be come a household name because I'll be an intellectual and my good looks, once I lose about 100 pounds, will be a big selling point. Fuck them for not helping me quicken my objectives

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My Greatest writing accomplishment is a 90,000+ word Greentext Fanfic of Sae Niijima from Persona 5 being sexually frustrated

>> No.14163852

It's not really going anywhere. Right now I'm living with a family member barely making enough to pay the rent he asked me to pay, as well as add onto the food bill since he asked for separate groceries. Because I've been consistently short on either food, or rent, he says he's kicking me out at the end of the month.

But hey. I almost got my NaNoWriMo novel done, which is nice.

>> No.14163855

>>14163562
>Be bad at writing and unfun, not even original
>Gee I wonder...

>> No.14164081

I can't read or write acutally.

>> No.14164224

>>14154236
So Umineko

>> No.14164484

>>14154236
Every character you will write has a part of you in them.

>> No.14164576

It's 4 o'clock here, should I practice my Spanish my Italian my latin my Hebrew, novel 1, novel 2, novel 3, possible article for a website, or continue watching tv

>> No.14165368

>>14156997
>I've thought about settling down just for increased financial security. But the jezebels...
Are you nuts?

Look at divorce rates for where you live and then the law on both divorce and cohabitation/relationships.

Here in the UK 2/3 marriages end in divorce in the first FIVE years.

The law is set up to screw you, marriage doesn't equal longterm happiness or longterm anything.

You don't increase any security or emotion by doing that.

Stay strong lit anons, don't get raped financially by the law and women.

>> No.14165391

Just got 6000 words into my novel. I think I might make it this time, guys. :^)

>> No.14165392
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14165392

>need to query for the novels I already have completed
>despise the application-rejection numbers game and how time consuming it is, keep putting it off
It's almost as bad as job hunting. I'd rather be writing. But looks like I might have another period of unemployment coming up so I'll have plenty of time for queries then. Just in time for Christmas.
>>14163852
>anon gets boomer'd
iktf. protip: if you have a car you have temporary shelter. It's better to be a free man in poverty than an abused dog on a leash. You can also take out student loans and flee to university if you can stomach 4 years of reprieve in exchange for the debt.

>> No.14166314

>>14165392
Worst part is, it isn't a boomer doing it. It's my younger brother. He got divorced from his wife, and asked me to move in with him to keep him from being lonely since he only gets his kids every other weekend.

Once i moved, my commissions dried up, so I been lagging behind and putting grocery money towards rent, and going hungry a lot of days. I just might do that student loan idea at least since I'm that desperate.

>> No.14166334

Shit. I’m not working on it because I’m studying for the lsat. Kill me

>> No.14166986

>>14153060
it had passed 5 years since i tried to write for the first time, i have written all kind of stories in my mind and paper but none of them with meaning so i never finish them... but now i have found meaning, i just needed to remember there is a sky above our heads, something infinite by our perception, something that we will never gonna touch his edge just like our imagination.

>> No.14166999

>>14154644
get some physchodelics and try to write again.

>> No.14167465

>>14154236
>I realize I can't write any protagonist that isn't a blatant self insert of myself

I know this feel

>> No.14168829

>>14167465
Write the opposite sex. Even if you still instill a lot of your traits, most people won't catch it.

Or specifically challenge yourself to write about a character totally unlike you. You'll ultimately write them like yourself in at least some ways, but you might like the result.

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I've been published a few times in my former uni magazine, but that doesn't count. No luck so far submitting to "real" online magazines after 3 short stories and like 30 submissions. I know I'm far from decent/acceptable. Started frequenting /crit/ again. I just hope one day one of my little stories gets published so I have a reason to believe I'm not entirely hopeless.

>> No.14169043

>>14168940
Find a way to enjoy the writing and produce something you like.

Because you're never really satisfied with the accomplishments. I've got publications, increasingly better ones, but I'm still thinking... Well, what about that next level? When's that going to happen?

A guy I know has a book coming out with one of the biggest publishers, and at that level it's like How are the sales? When will I get a better review? What about an award? and so on.

>> No.14169202

>>14169043
I had a feeling someone was going to say that. But at this point, all I want is simply a reason to call myself a writer. I guess I just want to prove myself.

That advice is always useful and I'll take it. Thanks, anon. How's your writing doing?