Noel Ignatiev, scholar who called for abolishing whiteness, dies at 78

[Anonymous No.14152847]

I'm interested in reading some of his work, what was his magnum opus?
https://www.latimes.com/obituaries/story/2019-11-11/noel-ignatiev-dies-race-whiteness

[Anonymous No.14152880]

"Ignatiev was raised inPhiladelphiato a Jewish family."

What a cohencidence.

[Anonymous No.14152899]

>>14152847
Der Ewige Jude

[Anonymous No.14152902]

>>14152847
Sucks, I supported him as a means to accelerate accelerationism.

[Anonymous No.14153475]

I considered reading his book, but anything I ever read for him tried way too hard to be transgressive.

[Anonymous No.14153500]

>>14152847
I hope he burns in hell

[Anonymous No.14153545]

>>14152847
Abolishing whiteness as a concept makes sense and is quite inevitable. What is whiteness other than sharing the same color of skin with someone you have nothing else in common with? For instance, brownness doesn't necessarily exist as a concept in the same way whiteness does. An Indian person will have nothing in common with the average Latin American, yet they are both categorized as brown. Compare Irish culture with English culture. The English deemed them uncivilized and colonized them, yet they are both simply classified as "White". Hopefully people start seeing others as people instead of a color.
>>14153500
Very anti-intellectual response. Why don't you criticize his ideas instead of saying something so rotten?

[Anonymous No.14153555]

>>14153545
Pan-Europeanism has been an ideology since the beginning of the 20th century for fuck's sake

[Anonymous No.14153558]

>>14152902
how can we accelerate the acceleration of accelerationism?

[Anonymous No.14153566]

>>14153545
>Caring about "intellectual circle jerk chasing"
Pretty much reveals what type of person you are, disingenuous to the core, fraudulent, a mockery
>Caring about some dead cunt with a retarded illogical ideology
>White people should not exist, happens to be white himself
Are you serious? Hahahaha, what the fuck if wrong with this board

[Anonymous No.14153587]

>>14153545
Intellectualism and intellectual institutions are a disease and should be abolished before anything else.

I also don’t think it’s possible to justify that the identity of human should take priority over any other.

[Anonymous No.14153591]

>>14153545
Isnt libtards created all this "whitnes" bullshit just to smear people who happens to have white skin ? And then gets screetching when people with white skin gets unites to fight this smear?

[Anonymous No.14153594]

>>14153545
>Why don't you criticize his ideas instead of saying something so rotten?
Ok, what about the fact that abolishing whiteness will do absolutely nothing to stop niggers from slaughtering each other?

[Anonymous No.14153612]

>>14153566
>>White people should not exist, happens to be white himself
He means whiteness as a social identity. His edgy writing style made it easy to take him out of context and obscure this, but his bark was worse then his bite.

[Anonymous No.14153621]

>>14153555
AKA Zionism and Globalism
Israel is a white supremacist nation
Look what they're doing to Palestine
>>14153587
>I also don’t think it’s possible to justify that the identity of human should take priority over any other.
Yes, so let's smash these identities so that we can stop this from happening. The identify of "whiteness", which is a vague construct, has been used to oppress people for centuries. Perhaps it would do us good to destroy that
identity.
>>14153566
No one has ever said white people should not exist. You misunderstand the concept of whiteness. We need to break the identity of "whiteness", which is a spook, so we can see each other as people.
>>14153591
No? Not sure what you're talking about. Nothing wrong with people with white skin.
>>14153594
Most minority infighting is a result of European colonialism.

[Anonymous No.14153629]

>>14153621
>Most minority infighting is a result of European colonialism.
;)

[Anonymous No.14153630]

>>14153621
The Bantu Expansion happened long before European colonization you absolute fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.14153631]

>>14153612
The further you explain this deceased individual the more I accept his death as a gift to society

[Anonymous No.14153647]

>>14153630
>>14153629
Yes yes, I just felt like informing you on that. Of course, barbarism has always existed, and will probably continue to, but it is obviously not because of the color of someone. For instance, all of European history. So much torture and rape in Europe.

[Anonymous No.14153660]

>>14153647
youre blinded by ideology

[Anonymous No.14153672]

>>14153621
>Yes, so let's smash these identities so that we can stop this from happening. The identify of "whiteness", which is a vague construct, has been used to oppress people for centuries. Perhaps it would do us good to destroy that
I don’t necessarily believe that oppressed-oppressor relations should be the basis on which we concern ourselves, and that affirmation of historically developed identities makes for a better ands more meaningful existence than empty ones like “humanity.”

[Anonymous No.14153701]

>>14153660
Not particularly. I'm actually anti-ideology. We ought to crush the ideology behind racism, identity politics etc. People place way too much value on a silly thing like skin color.
>>14153672
>I don’t necessarily believe that oppressed-oppressor relations should be the basis on which we concern ourselves
If something is causing a lot of problems, it is sensible to crush it, lol. That's common sense. Whiteness has been used to oppress Europeans as well, for example. Slavs and Irishmen weren't considered white and were oppressed as a result of that. We should stop that! Don't you agree?
>affirmation of historically developed identities makes for a better ands more meaningful existence than empty ones like “humanity.”
You cling to identity politics as a result of social conditioning. I advise breaking free from the spooks and becoming an individual, rather than a flesh tone.

[Anonymous No.14153710]

>>14153701
youre going to serve me fries when you finish your state university humanities degree

[Anonymous No.14153720]

>>14153710
Very funny. At least participate intellectually rather than responding with meaningless drivel.

[Anonymous No.14153725]

>>14153720
Nope. I don't think you could participate in an intellectual discussion with me, which is why you are studying humanities at a state university and why you will be serving me fries. Easy on the salt.

[Anonymous No.14153761]

>>14153725
Based, imagine not studying Architecture, or entering stem and reading philosophy and literature on the side.

[Anonymous No.14153915]

>>14153545
If he really cared about ethnocentrism why was he so uncritical towards black studies, chicano studies, asian studies, or native american studies?

you will find that he never turned his ugly marxist nose up at those social structures. and he proudly identified himself as Jewish. dude unabashedly dedicated his life's work to the "genocide of whites", effectively sowing a hatred for whites then like the worm he is, he tries to say his aim is only social constructs.

[Anonymous No.14153939]

>>14153500
Actually all Jews are consumed by the devil, from once they came, Read Hitler Ultimate Avatar

[Anonymous No.14153954]

>>14153761
Imagine the converse!

[Anonymous No.14153989]

>>14153545
I'm so sick of this thing about individualism. Of course you are an individual, but your individuality is an end-product of things like your race and culture. You would not be you without those things.

The entire article and this thread is retarded. Whiteness as a concept is key because of the introduction of non-whites into western society - that and it's just true. I mean sure, be German, be Irish, whatever, but on a broader scale you are white. You are European, and that matters. There is no use diluting or obfuscating who you are. We are a people all it takes to recognize that is to see it with your own two eyes.

[Anonymous No.14154034]

>>14153701
>causing problems
For who? Certainly not the beneficiaries of whiteness, of which there are hundreds of millions.
>We should stop that!
No. Your emotional prejudice against group identities based on strength is not morality itself.
>Individual
Individualism is the creed of casteless men without inheritance or tradition. Your individualism is nothing but a leveling agent behind a mask. The idea that every man will be better off when he repudiates his origins is only attractive to men that had nothing to repudiate in the first place, being without inheritance or tradition in either case. Through this individualism the man of breeding loses everything and the casteless man nothing, and the castless man has the shamelessness to call this "fair". But this isn't surprising, because where else could shame come from if not from reference and comparison with one's ancestors?

[Anonymous No.14154055]

>>14153915
The only countervailing point on this take that I've seen is that Noel tried to get Jewish dietary strictures banned at Harvard or something. If that is true his anti-whiteness may be slightly less sinister

[Anonymous No.14154109]

>>14153915
>"genocide of whites"
Did you quote that to make it look like he actually used those terms? Seems a little dishonest to me.

I think he would distinguish whiteness from other racial identities as one that it is defined by its access to privileges which aren’t justifiable, just making it unjust. The other identities are shaped around a shared experience of injustice, so they aren’t bad.

I don’t really agree with it, but there is a reason to see it as morally distinct from other identities.

[Anonymous No.14154141]

>>14152902
>>14153558
In physics the time derivative of acceleration is called jerk

>Jerkers

[Anonymous No.14154147]

>>14153621
>Perhaps it would do us good to destroy that
I support this on the grounds that a renewed pan-Europeanism based on population genetics. I'd use it to oppress international banking and globohomo for centuries.

[Anonymous No.14154218]

>>14154109
>Did you quote that to make it look like he actually used those terms? Seems a little dishonest to me.
No, that was part of what I believe to some type of tagline or summary from his publication Race Traitor. He did preface it with "cultural" and something else, though i can't remember?

>there is a reason to see it as morally distinct from other identities.
I cannot agree in the slightest. I understand that you don't necessarily share his ideas but I'm curious how you think white's have privileges?

[Anonymous No.14154286]

>>14154218
>No, that was part of what I believe to some type of tagline or summary from his publication Race Traitor. He did preface it with "cultural" and something else, though i can't remember?
Give me a specific quote where he uses Ed the term “genocide.” He clearly liked being transgressive, but he was never that callous.
> I cannot agree in the slightest. I understand that you don't necessarily share his ideas but I'm curious how you think white's have privileges?
I think they have historically managed to accrue resources and deny blacks access to them in rather punitive ways. I don’t really care about it all that much. I truly believe that social structures are more valuable than human life, so conditions like “oppression” don’t mean much to me.

[Anonymous No.14154329]

>>14154286
>Give me a specific quote where he [pic related] uses the term “genocide.”

[Anonymous No.14154339]

I know this is a bait thread, but we couldn't we perhaps discuss this man's ideas and not turn this thread into /pol/ with books?

[Anonymous No.14154351]

>>14154339
fuck that filthy kike

I spit on his grave

[Anonymous No.14154370]

>>14154329
You’re the one who claims he said it, so provide an example. Wanting to abolish whiteness isn’t the same as wanting to genocide whites.
>>14154339
He only known on this site because stormfront types used his quotes to as evidence of an evil Jewish conspiracy. It isn’t possible to separate him from that around here.

[Anonymous No.14154411]

>>14153545
>What is whiteness other than sharing the same color of skin with someone you have nothing else in common with?
Except, you know, a lot of shit that we actually do have in common?

[Anonymous No.14154425]

>>14153621
>The identify of "whiteness", which is a vague construct, has been used to oppress people for centuries.

[Anonymous No.14154456]

>>14154339
What do you want to discuss? Why wouldn't this turn into a "/pol thread" given the man's ideas? Is the /pol/ consensus on this guy wrong? You're the one who needs to give examples.

>>14154370
>You’re the one who claims he said it, so provide an example. Wanting to abolish whiteness isn’t the same as wanting to genocide whites.
Let me spell it out for you, you dishonest nigger: Hitler actually did commit genocide. Before and during this act, he never actually used the magic word. He and his associates did, however, use an awful lot of language along the lines of

>abolishing Jewishness in Europe

If I find-and-replaced "white" with virtually anything else -- maybe other than boo words like "fascism" -- in Ignatiev's various stated beliefs, I would (rightly) be accused of advocating for genocide whether I actually used that word or not.

[Anonymous No.14154500]

>>14154456
>Let me spell it out for you, you dishonest nigger: Hitler actually did commit genocide. Before and during this act, he never actually used the magic word. He and his associates did, however, use an awful lot of language along the lines of
I’m not the one who put those terms in quotes. You’re the one who strongly implied that he used the term.
Also, let’s not pretend that doing some academic work which advocates for changing certain social condition and identities is the same as the Holocaust.
> If I find-and-replaced "white" with virtually anything else -- maybe other than boo words like "fascism" -- in Ignatiev's various stated beliefs, I would (rightly) be accused of advocating for genocide whether I actually used that word or not.
Not really., since he’s literally just calling for the dissolution of social structures and not harm to any any individual persons. It also wouldn’t make sense to switch it around because he has reasons for believing whiteness to be fundamentally different from other identities.

Ignatiev himself actually did give similar criticism to Jewishness as it’s used in Israel:
>In the article, Ignatiev described Israel as a "racial state, where rights are assigned on the basis of ascribed descent or the approval of the superior race" and likened it to Nazi Germany and the Southern United States before the civil rights movement.

[Anonymous No.14154512]

>>14153701
Based.

[Anonymous No.14154522]

>>14154286
it was from the race traitor website at one one point, i can no longer find the website at all. it spoke of cultural and psychological genocide, but all i can find are quotations from secondary sources that say its from the website
>>14154329 thats not me

[Anonymous No.14154545]

>>14154286
>historically managed to accrue resources and deny blacks access to them in rather punitive ways
how is an entity's resource accrual a privilege?
>social structures are more valuable than human life
everything you say is vague and indefinite

[Anonymous No.14154550]

lol the sycophant only reminds me how fucking stupid and deluded commies are. academics like this fuck that finally died are the ones that made these racial labels. jesus fucking christ.

[Anonymous No.14154587]

>>14154500
>Not really., since he’s literally just calling for the dissolution of social structures and not harm to any any individual persons. fundamentally different from other identities.
how familiar are you with writings that, leading up to WWII, that were critical of Jews? In the 20s and 30s mainstream and respected writers/intellectuals weren't coming out and saying "yeah, let's just annihilate the whole lot of 'em."

[Anonymous No.14155058]

How the Irish Became White, is good.

[Anonymous No.14155073]

>>14152847
>Russian-Jewish decent
lol.

>anti-racism activists
I don't even...

[Anonymous No.14155086]

>>14152847
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
rot in eternity, kike

[Anonymous No.14155089]

Just another Jew following his programming

[Anonymous No.14155094]

>>14152847
And....nothing of value was lost.
Sage me

[Anonymous No.14155129]

>>14154500
Jews have never assimilated. Their parasitic tribalism has ensured that every nation in which they have ever dwelt has asked The Jewish Question. But rather than considering 'abolishing Jewishness', they seem to think it is everyone else who needs to lose their identity to make the world safe for the Jews.

[Anonymous No.14155136]

>>14152847
How the Irish Became White

[Anonymous No.14155146]

>>14155129
what is wrong with you you idiot, why do you need everyone to think and look like you?

[Anonymous No.14155152]

>>14155146
Not him but why not.

[Jewker No.14155153]

I Used To Think Dhat My Life Was A Tragedy
[BiC Cristal]
But Now I Realize It/s A Fraud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ond6r5pafjw

>Comedianne Prank

[Anonymous No.14155169]

>>14155146
thought experiment since you're a brainlet. 300 million people are reeducated into atomized individuals who have broken all racial, ethnic, familial and tribal bonds. the 6 million jews who reeducated them still act tribally. is this a good thing?

[Anonymous No.14155185]

>>14155086
SSSSSSSSSSSSSSEETHING white supremacist

[Anonymous No.14155190]

>>14155185

[Anonymous No.14155192]

>>14153545
>For instance, brownness doesn't necessarily exist as a concept in the same way whiteness does
have you not seen the masses of people associating with 'blackness' and this """azn"""? Ethnicity means a lot more to almost everyone who isn't white.

[Anonymous No.14155195]

>>14153621
>Most minority infighting is a result of European colonialism.
Imagine being dumb enough to believe this

[Anonymous No.14155240]

>>14155169
interesting thought experiment. i don’t agree atomising individuals would be a good idea, but i don’t need everyone to look and think like me

thought experiment for you: 300 Million people in one country, how do you make them all think like you (tribalism) let alone the looks

[Anonymous No.14155246]

>>14155152
if your self-identity is based around everyone else thinking like you, you are in for a shock in this world... join a book club if you wanna find some likeminded fellows (but even this one is quite diverse, clearly)

[Anonymous No.14155250]

Rot in hell Jew

[Anonymous No.14155253]

Jews are bad news if you dont put them into ghettos and violently cull their numbers every few years, every society in history knew this but Anglotards knew better of course and decided to just make them the kings of the world instead

[Anonymous No.14155280]

>>14155240
tribalism just means sharing an in-group preference. Jews are a problem for any nation because they have an extreme in-group preference. "Abolishing Whiteness" doesn't solve this problem, it just gives Jews even more power.

[Anonymous No.14155292]

>>14155253
359 expulsions and counting, and everyone else is the problem...

[Anonymous No.14155307]

>>14152847
Fuck this asshole. He says he wants to abolish whiteness because everything is socially constructed and he thinks every problem stems from the social construction of whiteness. It's a fucking conspiracy theory. I'm not even a white nationalist, but it's funny why people complain about the rise of white nationalism when we have lunatics like this. I'm glad he's gone.

[Anonymous No.14155408]

>>14153915
>In 2008, the American Jewish Committee objected to an encyclopedia article on Zionism that Ignatiev wrote for The Encyclopedia of Race and Racism.[12] In the article, Ignatiev described Israel as a "racial state, where rights are assigned on the basis of ascribed descent or the approval of the superior race" and likened it to Nazi Germany and the Southern United States before the civil rights movement.[13]

>The American Jewish Committee cited numerous "factual and historical inaccuracies" in Ignatiev's article. The American Jewish Committee also questioned why the encyclopedia included an entry about Zionism, stating that it was the only nationalist movement with an article in the encyclopedia.[12] Gideon Shimoni, Professor Emeritus at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, criticized the article as a "litany of errors and distortions of fact".[14]

>Subsequently, the encyclopedia's publisher Gale announced the appointment of an independent committee to investigate "the factual accuracy, scholarly basis, coverage, scope, and balance of every article". In addition, Gale published a 10-part composite article, "Nationalism and Ethnicity", with a new article on Zionism and evaluations of cultural nationalism in across the globe. The composite article was free of charge to all customers.[15] In response to the findings of the independent committee, Gale has eliminated Ignatiev's article from the encyclopedia

You have to hand it to them. They don't roll over like Whites.

[Anonymous No.14155423]

>>14155408
Now Jews are jewing eachother

[Anonymous No.14155427]

>>14155246
It's not about self-identity though, it's about social-cohesion.
Even in America, the land of immigrants, peoples don't fully mix, you have little pools of individual groups.

[Anonymous No.14155460]

>>14155408
even when they disagree it's only a matter of strategy

[Anonymous No.14155462]

>>14155427
yep, and even within jews, there is disagreement and lack of cohesion, such is the problem with all mass-group identities

[Anonymous No.14155471]

>>14155462
>Jew
>Mass group identity
Lol, I can tell you're either a Marxist (who has no problem with class as an identity) or a seething individualist.

[Anonymous No.14155475]

>>14155460
that is so paranoid it’s ridiculous. but hey, even if whites become a minority in America, at least you will still be powerful enough that everyone else will be paranoid about you

[Anonymous No.14155482]

>>14155471
wrong on both fronts i’m afraid, must try harder

[Anonymous No.14155490]

>>14155460
I just think it speaks volumes that he was basically fired as an academic adviser to Dunster House at Harvard for objecting to the use of public funds to purchase a toaster for Kosher use only.

He then has an article for The Encyclopedia of Race and Racism taken down after pressure from Jewish organisations for calling Israel a racist state.

It seems whenever Noel Ignatiev attempted to demonise Jewish identity, he was routinely stopped at every opportunity. Yet when he demonised White identity and White people he managed to permanently secure his place in American academia.

[Anonymous No.14155498]

>>14155482
A Jew.

[Anonymous No.14155502]

>>14155498
not even close

[Anonymous No.14155508]

>>14155490
Academia is comprised of clowns such as Noel. They parade themselves as intellectuals, but they're imbeciles. Taleb wonderfully demonstrates how academia is a huge fraud.

[Anonymous No.14155551]

>>14155462
I agree but, even in doing so, that does not mean I do not wish harm upon them.

'Unpleasant, even dangerous, qualities can be found in every nation and every individual: it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception. In him, these qualities may even be dangerous and revolting to an unusual degree; and perhaps the young stock-exchange Jew is altogether the most disgusting invention of mankind'.
- Friedrich Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.14155552]

>>14155475
whites are now a minority of births in America, a mere five decades after the Jew-sponsored Hart-Celler Act of 1965, which was passed on the promise that the demographic make-up of the nation (then 90% White) would not change

[Anonymous No.14155559]

>>14155490
it really makes you think, doesn't it

[Anonymous No.14155607]

>>14153701
>I'm actually anti-ideology
Oh what a relief.

[Anonymous No.14155666]

>>14155551
haha, you think Nietzsche is an anti-semite? he said anti-semites should be shot

>>14155552
that’s an interesting fact, but doesn’t talk about how many whites survive to old age, or become powerful or well educated.

fact remains that a lot of rich/democratic/unionists/inner city whites still hate poor/republican/confederate/rural whites... so even if jews are out of the question, you still have a problem because ‘whiteness’ is a useless unifying force

[Anonymous No.14155706]

>>14152847
what texts should i start with?

[Anonymous No.14155710]

>>14155666
When did I say Nietzsche was a anti-semite? I know he was against Hitler's anti-semite rhetoric.
So, even though Nietzche 'defends' them, he still views them as bad.

My point was I don't care 'what' race you are, any 'group' that proves troublesome should be wiped out.
No, you will not ever convince me not to think this so don't bother trying. It will be an inevitable conclusion, I've seen it, I'm merely hastening it.
Whatever may happen, it's not 'if' but 'when'. I want to see the next part of humanity's story.

[Anonymous No.14155711]

>>14155666

[Anonymous No.14155723]

>>14153545
Why dont you swallow glass you disgusting fucking human trash

[Anonymous No.14155732]

I mean the guy probably got his brain nuked from child about the nazi regime by his parents, who most likely experienced it first hand. Not surprised he would turn that way, he probably had nightmares of a new nazi regime taking him away at night.

[Anonymous No.14155733]

>>14155710
haha, ok big boy, you may now leave the debate

[Anonymous No.14155737]

>>14155711
omg big boy look at those stats

[Anonymous No.14155738]

>>14155666
Repeat Nietzsche quotes about Jews at university Please fucking do it, I want the ADL to ruin your life

braindead fucking scum

[Anonymous No.14155740]

>>14155723
but i thought we had so much in common?

[Anonymous No.14155745]

>>14155738
whats the problem big boy did a tiny wittle opinion hurt your feelings?

[Anonymous No.14155753]

>>14155745
you're a worthless sack of shit

[Anonymous No.14155754]

>>14155753
nu-uh, i am white and we have tons in common. more than any other race

[Anonymous No.14155758]

>>14155754
you're an effeminate, ugly, stupid, cowardly piece of biological refuse. Look at yourself in the mirror, you are disgusting

[Anonymous No.14155760]

>>14155758
no mate i am white and i am defending whiteness from extermination. I AM THE FACE OF WHITENESS

[Anonymous No.14155767]

>>14153545
see, you would have had a better reception by typing "yeah abolish whiteness, I have nothing in common with the potato goblins", it's all in how you say it

[Anonymous No.14155768]

>>14155760
irony won't help your knowledge of profoundly fucking repulsive you are

[Anonymous No.14155774]

>>14155768
i am not repulsive, i am magnetic, i am your brethren, your blood, your soil, i am as you are, we are the same

[Anonymous No.14155778]

>>14155738
Kike

[Anonymous No.14155990]

>>14153621
Here we can see that the intellectual posturing about "abolishing whiteness because it's just a product of material circumstances and nascent capitalism" is really just a very thinly veiled attempts to just hate whitey and blame whitey while also harboring noble savage nonsense.
>Most minority infighting is a result of European colonialism.
You have to be extremely ignorant (and ironically, Eurocentric) to think this is true.

[Anonymous No.14156011]

>>14155990
it's truly amazing how they'll blame europeans for drawing arbitrary lines on a map in africa and causing ethnic strife, while simultaneously clamoring for open borders and saying "diversity is our greatest strength" in the west

[Anonymous No.14156083]

>>14152847
Jews were not simply overrepresented among radical journalists, intellectuals,
and “producers of culture” in Weimar Germany, they essentially created these
movements. “They violently attacked everything about German society. They
despised the military, the judiciary, and the middle class in general” (Rothman &
Lichter 1982, 85). Massing (1949, 84) notes the perception of the anti-Semite
Adolf Stoecker of Jewish “lack of reverence for the Christian-conservative
world.”
Anti-Semitism among university professors during the Weimar period was
partially fueled by the perception that “the Jew represented the critical or
‘negative’ aspects of modern thought, the acids of analysis and skepticism that
helped to dissolve the moral certainties, patriotic commitment, and social
cohesion of modern states” (Ringer 1983, 7). Reflecting this perception, National
Socialist propaganda during the period claimed that Jews attempted to
undermine the social cohesion of gentile society while remaining committed to a
highly cohesive group themselves—an intellectual double standard in which the
basis of social cohesion among gentiles was subjected to intense criticism while
the Jews “would retain their international cohesiveness, blood ties, and spiritual
unity” (Aschheim 1985, 239). Viewed from this perspective, an important goal of
Jewish intellectual effort may be understood as attempting to undermine
cohesive gentile group strategies while continuing to engage in their own highly
cohesive group strategy.

[Anonymous No.14156096]

>>14155990
sounds a bit like
>most white infighting is a result of Jewish people
You have to be extremely ignorant (and ironically Eurocentric) to think this is true.

[Anonymous No.14156106]

>>14156096
Except i never said that, nor do i believe that, so your shitty "gotcha" doesnt work. If there's anything i despise about Jews, it's that i loathe the double standards, as >>14156083 said, and how cosmopolitans and neoliberals suddenly turn into protectionist ethnonationalists when their arguments are aimed at Israel.

[Anonymous No.14156108]

>>14156011
it's truly amazing how they'll blame Jews for calling lines on a map arbitrary and causing white-ethnic strife, while simultaneously clamoring for open borders and saying "diversity is our greatest strength" in the west

(white people, that is)

[Anonymous No.14156131]

>>14156106
>i never said there was white infighting due to jews
>if there anything i despise about jews, its that they make other white people disagree with me
sounds pretty much like what i said

[Anonymous No.14156142]

>>14156131
Except that's not what i said. I said i loathed inconsistency of arguments and hypocrisy of applying them, not "hurr they make white people disagree with me"
Are you retarded or are do you just have a very shitty reading comprehension.

[Anonymous No.14156146]

>>14156108
whatever analogy your poo-brain thinks it is making doesn't work

[Anonymous No.14156168]

>>14156142
thats precisely what you said, you said cosmopolitans and neoliberals turn into protectionist ethnonationalists, in reference to white people

you wish they were just your kind of protectionist ethnonationalists and can’t understand why other white people don’t give a shit how you feel

[Anonymous No.14156172]

>>14156146
don’t blame me, these are your terrible arguments

[Anonymous No.14156185]

>>14156168
>thats precisely what you said, you said cosmopolitans and neoliberals turn into protectionist ethnonationalists, in reference to white people
In reference to zionists, you fucking moron. You cant say "immigration has economic benefits and only racists are gainst it" and then go "except for israel, it needs to build a wall in the Gaza strip to preserve its Jewish character". The two stances are inherently contradictory.
Again, are you intentionally obtuse, or is there some kind of defect in your littel brain? Other people ITT have also started to notice, it's getting worrisome.

[Anonymous No.14156198]

>>14156185
haha, nice try. so you meant only the black cosmopolitans and neoliberals then i assume? there’s no need to hide how you feel, you can cry on my shoulder, i’m white too

[Anonymous No.14156266]

Hitler ultimately acted in self defense

[Anonymous No.14156380]

>>14153989
>>14154034
Shut up, Richard.

[Anonymous No.14156450]

>>14152847
S

[Anonymous No.14156457]

>>14152847

[Anonymous No.14156602]

>>14155738
Seriously kike. You should be ashamed.

[Anonymous No.14156650]

>>14154587
European antisemitism tended to be based in exactly the kind of racial essentialism Ignatiev doesn't base his ideas if whiteness on

[Anonymous No.14156673]

>>14155711
All this tells us is the Republicans are pretty bad at politics

[Anonymous No.14156688]

>>14155246
Basic biology -- from the ant to the human -- is to congregate with like individuals, either in thought or in some other creed.

This is a reality you cannot and will never escape.

[Anonymous No.14156694]

>>14156650
you slimy cunt. Let's abolish Jewishness too then, I totally dont mean Jews by that

[Anonymous No.14156705]

>>14156694
If Jewishness had the same situation as whiteness you might have a plan there.

[Anonymous No.14156713]

>>14153545
Hello cringe department? Muh melanin levels.

[Anonymous No.14156717]

>>14156705
Nah let's just abolish jewishness, it's causing way too much harm in the world, for example in Palestine. If you stand in the way of abolishing Jewshness you're a genocidal racist

[Anonymous No.14156725]

>>14156717
This makes sense though. The dangerous nationalism in Israel has almost destroyed the region and is to this day perpetuating a genocide on the palestinians. The concept of a jewish identity is extremely fluid and arbitary.

[Anonymous No.14156747]

>>14156725
This guy gets it. The question of 'who is a jew' is an old one. But then in the West the more pressing issue is Whiteness

[Anonymous No.14156748]

imagine being a white american and not advocating for the interests of white american solidarity but instead advocating for jewish elites, niggas, mexicans, some melting pot shit, etc. how some of you white simps do this is beyond me

t. first-gen eastern europoor white american nationalist living in america

[Anonymous No.14156757]

>>14156748
Why should I care about some rednecks just because they have a similar skin tone?

[Anonymous No.14156766]

>>14156757
Why should you care about the interests of global capital? Mass immigration is exactly what they want.

[Anonymous No.14156770]

>>14156757
because commissar Manuel is not going to differentiate between you an Cletus

[Anonymous No.14156776]

>>14156766
Global capital makes me rich. African immigrants drive ubers for me. Rednecks create country and western music, which I hate.

[Anonymous No.14156777]

>>14153545
Oh no no no no... look at this dooooooood

[Anonymous No.14156785]

>>14156770
The Turner Diaries isn't necessarily going to happen anon

[Anonymous No.14156787]

>>14156785
I really just wanted to say 'commissar Manuel'

[Anonymous No.14156791]

>>14156757
That's the problem. White Americans don't view themselves as a collective.. yet. Mexican ethnic solidarity, niggas, Asians, Jews, etc. will force whites to work together. It's already happening. You only develop strong ethnic solidarity when confronted by another ethnic collective. Just look at the Balkans and you'll see this. White nationalism is still in its infancy, but uniting white Americans behind a common European-American identity and Catholic/Protestant religion will happen. The population numbers will keep dropping, but the more they fall the greater the impact this has on solidarity.

[Anonymous No.14156792]

>>14156787
Just made me think of Fawlty Towers desu

[Anonymous No.14156794]

>>14156776
You're such a retard. African migrants also decrease wages and provide a source of labour to corporations (whom you bend over for)

[Anonymous No.14156796]

>>14156791
Not really answered the question desu. Why should I make common cause with some rednecks instead of Jews and blacks?

[Anonymous No.14156799]

>>14156791
>White Americans don't view themselves as a collective.. yet
This paper came out yesterday; you may enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.14156800]

>>14156776
>African immigrants drive ubers for me
lower wages + ruin entire neighborhoods where they make up more than 10% of the population forcing everyone else to flee

[Anonymous No.14156803]

>>14156794
>decrease wages
Not my wages

[Anonymous No.14156808]

>>14153591
>libtards
Jews

[Anonymous No.14156816]

>>14156803
Glad to see you care about the lower class citizens in your country.

[Anonymous No.14156823]

>>14156776
eternal homo economicus

[Anonymous No.14156824]

>>14153566
>>White people should not exist, happens to be white himself
No, he was a kike.

[Anonymous No.14156834]

>>14156796
Do you really trust Jews and blacks to have your back? You think you have more in common with them than other whites? If you can't see that you don't, there really is no hope. It's just one of those things that you get or don't. Enjoy your fate and that of your descendants.

[Anonymous No.14156840]

>>14153621
>Yes, so let's smash these identities so that we can stop this from happening. The identify of "whiteness", which is a vague construct, has been used to oppress people for centuries. Perhaps it would do us good to destroy that
>identity.
So which is it? White doesn't exist and it's a new concept originated as a reaction to whites losing privileges due to PoCs gaining new rights, or is it a historical concept dating back for millenia used to unite Europeans in the oppression of other peoples around the world? Make up your mind, Schlomo.

[Anonymous No.14156846]

i agree with abolishing "whiteness" as a concept since it has been entirely reterritorialized by amerishits.
>ayo wypipo bad yall lynched negroes and made them slaves
i didnt do shit and i refuse to claim collective responsibility for a bunch of anglo cretins who were too lazy and inept to pick their own cotton

[Anonymous No.14156865]

>>14153545
If I started treating people as people, I'd come to the conclusion very quickly that I have most in common with European white people and least in common with African black people. If this were not the case, the concept of whiteness would be abolished already. Problem is that reality keeps reasserting it.

[Anonymous No.14156866]

>>14156846
>i didnt do shit and i refuse to claim collective responsibility for a bunch of anglo cretins who were too lazy and inept to pick their own cotton
Es-tu français ?

[Anonymous No.14156905]

>>14153725
NO! I DON`T WANT TO ARGUMENT! I AM THE "SMART" GUY.

[Anonymous No.14156916]

>>14156776

[Anonymous No.14156917]

allow me to explain the ethnic traitor parasite, present in all countries everywhere

>whites live in neighborhood, whites have 0 collective and are very individualistic, very prone to collapse
>nancy: like maybe we should allow non-whites and others in they're people too
>majority: eh idk man
>nancy: trust me if they just work hard, go to school, integrate, etc. they will be just like us
>majority: ok we trust you now
>minority: wtf you guys are crazy
>blacks/arabs/mexicans/whatever move in
>as their population grows whites realize they can't live around them as they cause too much trouble
>white flight
>most whites leave, nancy is among first to leave
>nancy: omg like lollll didn't work out lulzzz
>whites settle in new neighborhoods where majority is white
>everything going well
>nancy: ok guys so like what if we...

[Anonymous No.14156920]

>>14156108
No, because they aren't claiming open borders for Israel, just the whole of the goy world.

[Anonymous No.14156941]

>>14153701
>You cling to identity politics as a result of social conditioning. I advise breaking free from the spooks and becoming an individual, rather than a flesh tone.

>muh everyone can play identity politics except white people

the mainstream left is actively hostile to individualism. white nationalism is actually the only way to protect individualism, western literate culture and christian values. Leftists and their client groups are actively hostile to all of these. They don't care about the crassness of capitalist culture as long as it panders to them. Their only goal is to increase the power base of the managerial state. Humans are fundamentally unequal, making them equal would require the de facto establishment of a totalitarian state. Identity politics and corporatism already shape every aspect of official culture. Any form of intrusive social engineering can be justified in the name of 'equality', individual freedom and self determination be damned, because anyhow the individual is seen as a mere product of unconscious structures. I read Hobbes, Freud, and Foucault too, but reached opposite conclusions to those of the progs. Also Sam Francis, Moldbug and Paul Gottfried.

[Anonymous No.14156944]

>>14156816
He's not even correct. We know from the wonderful experiments conducted by USA that trash drives up the cost of housing and other costs of isolating oneself from third world behavior in general.

[Anonymous No.14156948]

>>14156944
>trash drives up the cost of housing and other costs
What trash?

[Anonymous No.14156966]

>>14154339
>Couldn't we discuss the merits of genociding the white race, my fellow goys?

[Anonymous No.14157002]

>>14156941
if science says iq differences or gender diferences exist, then that means science is structurally racist. If men and women persist in acting like men and women and not interexchangable economic units, then you install gender pedagogues at every preschool to ensure 'equality' as defined according to radical lgbt ideology (this already happens in Sweden). If the Western Cannon is too white, you replace the teaching of literature and philosophy with more HR indoctrination. The only way to reverse this progress is through direct confrontation with leftist ideologues. The few orthodox marxist nostalgists are de facto running interference and carrying water for the liberal fanatics.

[Anonymous No.14157010]

>>14155253
Why do that, just expulse them

[Anonymous No.14157026]

>>14152902
based

[Anonymous No.14157073]

>>14156688
that is so untrue. do you know anyone who owns a dog, or a cat? or is that too far from your biological group to ‘congregate’ with? you thick fuck

[Anonymous No.14157081]

>>14153545
found the kike

[Anonymous No.14157082]

>>14153545
>What is whiteness other than sharing the same color of skin with someone you have nothing else in common with?
Have you ever seen people who feel oneness with the Universe, or their siblings?
Tribalism is merely a variant.

[Anonymous No.14157123]

>>14157073
So niggers are pets?

[Anonymous No.14157136]

>>14152880
You sure the “Noel” isn’t what gave it away?

[Anonymous No.14157141]

>>14156673
>All this tells us is the Republicans are pretty bad at politics
Not really. It tells us that Republicans have little support among immigrants and their enablers (AKA the SJWs and virtue-signalers who infest CA, the PNW, and NY/New England).

[Anonymous No.14157147]

>>14157141
>Republicans have little support among immigrants and their enablers
Republicans love immigrants, and something like 40% of spics voted for Trump

[Anonymous No.14157148]

>>14153545
>why don’t you argue with his retarded ideology

[Anonymous No.14157155]

>>14157141
That despite all they do to cater to these groups, lmao. Just shows how much of it is about ethnic identity.

[Anonymous No.14157156]

>>14156796
>Why should I make common cause with some rednecks instead of Jews and blacks?
Because both groups will fuck you over the minute they have sufficient political power to do so.

[Anonymous No.14157170]

>>14153558
By accelerating the acceleration of accelerating accelerationism. of course, it's simple.

[Anonymous No.14157179]

>>14157123
haha, i bet you don’t even have white friends

[Anonymous No.14157707]

>>14156198
>i’m white too

[Anonymous No.14157716]

>>14157707
These dammed shape shifters are invading /lit/

[Anonymous No.14157720]

>>14157179
a few

[Anonymous No.14157725]

>>14157156
So will the white nationalists though. They have a whole day of the rope meme about what they will do to people who oppose them

[Anonymous No.14157727]

>>14153545
based and truthpilled

[Anonymous No.14157731]

>>14157727
Your scared aren't you Rabbi? Did Shlomo call for back up after /lit/ wouldn't buy his bullshit?

[Anonymous No.14157732]

>>14157731
Very cringe post

[Anonymous No.14157745]

>>14157716
Yeah but they are easy to spot if you know their tricks. I saved this pic from here on /lit/ perfectly describing their behavior.
Let's just say that it's not good for them to have eyes on their behavior, and once you see it you finally understand what Goebbels meant when he said that what a Jew feared most was to be "found out".

[Anonymous No.14157759]

>>14157725
ummm that's why he's signing whites should side with whites so that when race war ensues you are on the right side
because if you're white and you side with non-whites you'll get killed if whites win
and if browns win you will still get killed by them

[Anonymous No.14157790]

>>14157759
>when race war ensues
Spotted the little flaw in your hypothesis.
In any case the white nationalists would almost certainly kill me anyway, whereas the 'browns' whoever they are have made no such threats and show no interest in genocide. I will take my chances with multiculturalism rather than with white nationalism.

[Anonymous No.14157821]

>>14157759
any day now mr. Mason

[Anonymous No.14157887]

>>14157759
>because if you're white and you side with non-whites you'll get killed if whites win
So I only get racial solidarity if I sign up to everything on /pol/? I thought whites had an unbreakable metaphysical bond that could never be broken, and to turn on fellow whites was unthinkable.

[Anonymous No.14158623]

>>14153545
Should we abolish Jewishness too? As a concept I mean. Just totally fucking smash it, as hard as we can, using as much force as Europeans nations can muster. Metaphorically you understand... Metaphorically just eradicate it from the world.

What do you reckon anon?

[Anonymous No.14158779]

>>14155508
this. academia relies on people acting in good faith and without that has become a (((circus)))

[Anonymous No.14158816]

>>14157821
>>14157790
>>14157887
I will personally hang you on the dotr for these low quality posts.

[Anonymous No.14159001]

>>14154339
>anti-white
>can we chill with the antisemitism pls guise

[Anonymous No.14159055]

>>14158623
now here’s a good question. as an example, i think blackness should be ‘abolished’, or at least re-thought. there are things black people can and can’t say that make them ‘acceptably black’, which i disagree with, and i think most of the time there are shoddy political reasons behind what feels like perfectly reasonable ‘self-identification’. there is a similar thing with Jews, in that they often feel there are ‘unjewish’ behaviours and call out other jews, just because they have the same heritage or beliefs and don’t talk or act the same. So for sure, i agree with the statement, although it is for these peoples themselves to figure it out. as a white person, i can already see that the vast difference in opinion between me and most other whites make for a pretty useless caregory of ‘whiteness’, i can see it’s futile to think that me and you have more in common than maybe a cool open minded Jew who likes Hentai, or a Black guy who is really into interracial gay porn like me, or other White guys who are interested in barebacking simple minded White Nazi’s all day like i am

[Anonymous No.14159191]

>>14156673
what it actually tells us is that there's a division between US whites and everyone else. There will come a moment where politics in the US will be even more of a mockery than they are in their current state, for white people are the only ones who vote reps and when they clearly become the minority the dems will seize power for a long time if not forevermore

[Anonymous No.14159219]

>>14159191
idk what the Dems think is going to happen when whites are a minority. I mean theyre not idiots, they know who pays the taxes, do they literally want to live in Brazil 2.0, because that is where it's heading

[Anonymous No.14159229]

>>14152847
Good.

[Anonymous No.14159258]

>all these people ITT acting like certain subsets of the "white race" aren't basically nogs