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Why does /lit/ hate this writer, philosopher, and psychologist?

>> No.14135598 [DELETED] 

>>14135592
He's self-help tier. No real depth.

>> No.14135609

>>14135598
He has some real depth, just watch some of his videos.

>> No.14135618

>>14135609
I did a few times, he needs to stop reducing disto and neetch to a single message

>> No.14135621

>>14135592
Me on the right.
And he's a basic bitch liberal boomer.

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>>14135592
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0cXoUCHTK4G

>> No.14135653

>>14135592
You can just tell every student in that photo is the annoying loser that won't stop monologuing during philosophy class...

>> No.14135656

>>14135653
>t. timid rhetoriclet

>> No.14135657 [DELETED] 

>>14135653
so black people? lmao

>> No.14135658

>>14135592
Pseuds jealous of capital.

>> No.14135682

>>14135653
>monologuing
fuck you

>> No.14135688

>>14135592
Because no one on /lit/ understands he’s continuing Piaget’s work in genetic epistemology

>> No.14135728

>>14135653
*dialoguing

>> No.14135878

His lifestyle doesn't match what he talks about.

Tells you to take on the Tiger. He lost to the tiger.

>> No.14135916

>>14135592
>philosopher
I bet he hasn't even read Plato. I don't dislike him, but he's definitely not a philosopher.

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snake oil salesman that pulls the switch at the 11th hour. he's crafty and has interesting/intelligent opinions along with skill but at the end of the day he's a pied piper knowingly and intentionally

>hey, kids, i love nietzsche and all this sorta sorta which is true. truth, will to power, personal responsibility and all sorts of other stuff!
>WOAH, hold on, bucko, clam down, bucko! what do you mean you don't want to feel arbitrary shame? hold on! arbitrary societal bondage used to manipulate you isn't just something you can get rid of. don't rock the boat and just go along with what's socially conservative and i approve
he's a pied piper not a real philosopher in the spirit of the people he quotes

>> No.14135978

>>14135598
Same with Taleb but now there's like three fucking threads a day about some dumbass tweet he made

>> No.14135993

>>14135592
My opinion on him took a hell of a nosedive with the Zizek debate

>> No.14136005

>>14135978
Can we ban Taleb threads? One anon makes a thread with a picture of Taleb with a provocative text, then other anons proceed to call Taleb an Arab, then Taleb is defended to be a Phoenician. It's the same with all of his threads. I don't know if these fags think they are being funny but it's very annoying.

>> No.14136010

>>14136005
I'm 90% sure it's the same 3 or 4 people too
You all need to learn to SAGE

>> No.14136013

>>14135592
i don't like addicts

>> No.14136024

>>14135592
because he advocates taking personal responsibility
because he has confidence you can get your shit together
because his advice is legit, even if incomplete, and is much harder to put into practice than may seem

because 4channers want to blame anyone but themselves for their woes
>its the Jews
because 4channers prefer to wallop in their miseries
>tfw no gf
because 4channers like to dismiss anything or anyone once they can identify something they are "wrong" or "insufficient" in
>lol, this tradcon cuck cant even define truth

>> No.14136036

>>14135916
He doesn't claim he's one lol pseuds gonna pseud (his haters usually are mad he makes money.) Jp is harmless at most. He's a modern gateway into higher thinking and knowledge. His fans are really shitty and delineate him higher portrayals than he ever claims to be. Self help isn't inherently bad and he doesn't claim to heal, he basically published his version of Meditations (read: personal diary.) Also just because he fell into addiction and takes anti depressants, doesn't make his words less insincere or wrong. Nowhere in the entire canon of literature besides a deity has had the power to be perfect.

>> No.14136052

he introduced me to post-modern philosophy when I was like 16 which was nice of him. Even though he didn't understand it himself.

>> No.14136054

>>14135592
>he's ugly
>he supports Israel
>he's a liberal Anglo boomer
>he won't let whites have an identity
>he literally doesn't even believe in God
>he has brown eyes

>> No.14136057

>>14136024
>because he advocates taking personal responsibility
he really doesn't though. he advocates going along with the standard wisdom. he talks big about truth, but the buckles and acts against it undermining it in critical aspects.

>nietzsche! will to power! truth! personal responsibility!
>btw, you need to feel lots of random shame and anybody who tells me they don't feel shame is evil
you can't square christcuck inverted morality and feeling involving shame with truth or personal responsibility

>> No.14136062

>>14135592
cringe, boomer leave

>> No.14136098

>>14136036
I didn't say he claims to be a philosopher. I was correcting OP. But since the areas he tends to talk about are closely related to philosophy, his lack of knowledge in the field is painfully apparent. Again, I don't dislike him. and I appreciate what he's trying to do, but these don't justify his lacking background in philosophy. Basically the only philosopher he seems to have read is Nietzsche, and N. can't be understood in isolation. You'd have to compare and contrast him with his predecessors. But again, he is not educated in philosophy and likes to comment on philosophical issues. Prime example of this was his debate with Zizek, where he honestly embarrassed himself. But insofar as he relates to Jung, modern psychology, and even self-help, I think he's good.

>> No.14136113

>>14136057
>make your bed
>slay your dragon (face your problems and deal with them)

but Kermit Senpai, this is all too much!
>that's fine, start small. if you fail, then set your scope smaller, until its at a level you can reasonably succeed
>cant concentrate for 15 mins? try 10. is 10 too ambitious? go for 5.
>build your way from there

>"youre really gonna think 'its all the world's fault, not my own'?"
>"what's more probable. everyone is out to fuck you over, or that you fucked up at one point or time?"
meet one asshole? unlucky. meet an asshole every day? youre the asshole.
>"what's more preferable? soul crushing life/system/whatever that you cannot fight against? or that maybe a lot of your problems stem from you, which means they can be addressed and dealt with?"

how is that not advocating personal responsibility.
ive watched many, many hours of his lectures, but not all. that being said, i dont recall him saying "you need to feel lots of random shame"
he does say
>"everyone suffers, life is suffering. but what can you do about it? you can carry that burden instead of letting it define you. you can work to make your life better, and then hopefully work to make your family better, and then extend that outwards. but start with you."

>> No.14136120

>>14135592
Why is Peterson so afraid to touch on the Jewish question? And why is he so against white tribalism?

>> No.14136124

>>14136120
>why isn't everyone Hitler

>> No.14136136

>>14136120
Obviously because he doesn't want to lose his job and be casted out.

>> No.14136137

>>14136113
>i love to run! running is great! everybody should run
>BUCKO! stop! you can't just run like that! you need to consider everybody else opinion about runnning. you already ran for 30 seconds take a break and don't go past the minute mark EVER

if you're setting arbitrary boundaries which you don't even fucking bother to defend outside of thinking you 'know better' and they just need to listen then you aren't really an advocating personal responsibility. you're a pied piper trying to manipulate people.

>> No.14136139

>>14135592
I'm very disappointed in him that he became a drug addict and had to check into rehab. I've had horrible problems of my own, still do have horrible anxiety every day, but I don't go around telling everyone how to live and "slay their dragons."

>> No.14136149

>>14136113
>meet an asshole every day?
that's just using this website

>> No.14136158

>>14136120
>white tribalism
>tribalism
be culled ye weakling

>> No.14136174

>>14136120
probably because you're a deluded retard and you aren't actually part of the "white tribe" outside of your imagination. you may like to think you're part of the same group that's successful, wealthy, and great but none of those people like to imagine they're in the same group with you.

you ever tell a girl your father had sex and since he had sex she should have it with you? how'd that work for you? likewise, your tribal connections are just delusions.

>> No.14136178

>>14136137
i dont know why youre so triggered. do you need some safe space time? go on, ill wait

i dont know why youre crying so hard about an idea that, simply put, self-improvement
>how do i become a better person?
>lets grab the low hanging fruit. how about i identify my own fuck ups and address those.

Kermit never discounts the unfortunate realities of life. he never says "boohoo, you and your unfortunate circumstances, go cry me a river."
he says you can both acknowledge it while making efforts to move past it so you arent perpetually defined and shackled by this bad thing

let me guess, youre a fat cunt with pink hair who is gender fluid.
it all makes sense now.

>> No.14136209

>>14136178
talk about being a low iq muppet. hey dumb fuck, i'm sure you're a loser christard living in an alternate reality but actual philosophers like nietzsche don't try and curate knowledge because they want you to be a good little incel. him telling you to wash your dick, not weigh 300 pounds, or blame women for not giving you sex may have been really special and meaningful to you. i was just more curious about his actual character than trying to look for a surrogate/e-celebrity daddy. i saw he's a shyer who pulls the switch at the 11th hour and is insincere trying to curate and keep people on the farm like cattle and i lost interest.

your e-celeb daddy is relatively smart but you're a muppet

>> No.14136214

this sums it up
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

>> No.14136219

>>14136174
Unironically good post. This is exactly the rationale behind this kind of thinking.

>> No.14136224
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I watched all of his "Maps of Meaning" lectures on YouTube. They weren't the hardest to follow, but they were still worth watching. The map that he describes is very psychologically complicated, and holds some merit. I have yet to read his "Maps of Meaning" book, which might be better.

>> No.14136229

>>14136224
Does he describe the epistemological basis of his Maps of Meaning?

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>>14136209
>triggering intensifies

its a little ironic because he never blamed whamen for not giving sex
if anything, he puts the onus on men to become more valuable, thereby making it more likely whamen will find them attractive

but its ok, u can keep cry
>whamen loses argument
>whamen starts to cry
>man: hey hey, its not your fault, i apologize, dont cry

>> No.14136241

>>14136229
Mostly "archetypal stories," as well as some valid psychological experiments and findings

>> No.14136250

>>14135592
>philosopher
he's a fucking pseud who got famous riding on the wave of anti-sjw hysteria for bashing "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" even though the only Marxist text he read was the the Communist Manifesto basically the tldr of Marxism.

>> No.14136263

>>14136174
Jews are highly tribalistic and Peterstein is perfectly fine with it. But the moment white Europeans show any pride in their race, Kermit the frog condemns them as evil murderous neo Nazis.

>> No.14136267

>>14135592
Mediocre writer, questionable psychologist, a fraud of a "philosopher".

>> No.14136302

>>14136250
cant argue there desu
though he never claimed to be a philosopher

his rise to popularity was to due anti-SJW sentiments and his clips are frequently edited and taken out of context with titles akin to
>SJW FATTY GETS KNOCKED OUT BY J PETERSON

also true that his understanding of Marxism is incomplete. i knew his debate with Zizek was disappointing when he basically said
>i only read the Communist Manifesto
>communist text that was literally watered down to make it more appealing and digestible by the retarded masses

dude couldnt even start with, i dunno, perhaps the foundational work Das Kapital

>>14136263
if anything, he eschews identity politics in general, which is why he holds that same stance whether it be SJWs or white Europeans

>> No.14136309

>>14136224
those maps are meant to look "very complicated" to actually make you think they hold some merit
it's the same method any charlatan uses
you take a couple well-known platitudes, you obfuscate them as much as possible, ennobling them through highfalutin jargon, and you pretend you've discovered something revolutionary
The man himself, about his insights:
>I don’t know, Dad, but I think I have discovered something that no one else has any idea about, and I’m not sure I can do it justice. Its scope is so broad that I can see only parts of it clearly at one time, and it is exceedingly difficult to set down comprehensibly in writing….
and as an epigraph to his book:
>“I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world”
Meanwhile, the ineffable knowledge he seeks to bestow upon us:
>What shall I do to strengthen my spirit? Do not tell lies, or do what you despise.
>What shall I do with the most difficult of questions? Consider them the gateway to the path of life.
>What shall I do with the poor man’s plight? Strive through right example to lift his broken heart.

this is all from the article i posted above

>> No.14136310

>>14135592
He’s a charlatan

>> No.14136311
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>>14135592
I'm going to use that thread to ask this: let's say that you're a 27 years old guy who grew up with no father, you're depressed, anxious, you want to kill yourself. Peterson's videos helped you "clean your room" and get back on the tracks of sanity, but you don't buy his political views nor his "philosophy", where do you go from there?

Is there any comprehensible way to get into philosophy and apply it? Where should I start? Beyond the Greeks I mean, I'm all for opening my mind and reading things beyond self-help books but how do I get educated on that? I haven't read many books in my life, mostly fiction, I'm not exactly the literate kind, the few things I know I've gathered from Youtube videos, I enjoy Zizek even though I don't really buy his Freudian approach to everything, I also read some of the Stoics, I'm open to anything.

At some point, I get why Peterson gets the hate he gets, but I don't see an approachable alternative to building yourself as a man.

>> No.14136328

>>14136311
>you're depressed, anxious, you want to kill yourself
seek help unironically
t. sought help

>> No.14136332

>>14136328
I used to go to a therapist but I had to leave for another city, I don't have the money right now to go back.

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>> No.14136348

>>14136263
jews have a tribe. you don't have a tribe and you never did. you're from a low class peasant background and the only tribal thing you can do is try to abuse/exclude other races.

what you're too dumb to understand is the only reason why you're not getting fucked harder is because the west is an open place. you don't have the open to exclude other races you fucking idiot. the whole image the west has is about freedumbs and equality. that's the only thing that allows the mega corporations to go loot the 3rd world freely. once you destroy that then you're going to be excluded from the rest of the world and they're doing to try and destroy you, moron.

>but we're gonnna be a super tribe! nobody can beat US!
who is US? you're alone dumbass. the super rich and successful "white" people don't want to be associated with you and it's easier to let you die/kill you than go against everybody else

>> No.14136387

>>14136348
t. Abraham Shekelstein

>> No.14136412

>>14136311
i mean, Kermit himself even talked about Nietzsche's overman and the idea of not being sheep and forging your own values

i understand, to a certain degree, where you come from
i was pretty disappointed when Kermit skirted around the phenomenon of hypergamy
he acknowledges it, and then doesnt go into it any further. i understand why though.

it depends on what your interests are and what you wish to work on
philosophy is great and all, but perhaps one of its greatest value is the idea of examining things critically, and not being so quick to jump on the bandwagon just because everyone else has done so

do you like working with your hands? why not read some books on woodworking, or indoor gardening
do you want to work in X industry (computer programmer for example)? why not read some intro books to Python (e.g. Automate the Boring Stuff with Pythong)

are you interested in trying to view things through a more rational lens? here's a good start
>https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/

these are all just random examples off the top of my head. youre going to have to be more specific. your aim is going to have to be more narrow.

>i want to become a "man"
>what does that entail?
>good health seems to be one
>weights? yoga? ill go with weights because who doesnt want a nice chiseled ass
>go research the basics of weight lifting

you just gotta keep breaking it down like that until the answer pops up/becomes manageable

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>>14135592
>still loving your lobster daddy after he got publicly btfo in front a crowd of thousand by essential a slavic raccoon

>> No.14136427

>>14135656
>>14135657
>>14135682
>>14135728
>t. the annoying losers that won't stop monologuing during philosophy class
Shut up, we don't come to class to hear you regurgitate "cleverly"-disguised shitposts.

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>>14135592

because despite being entry tier commonsense philosophy of action (pick up after yourself, don't leak your damage everywhere, don't surrender your soul to resentment, procedural progress is valid and feeds into itself, don't let yourself get hijacked by mind-viruses) it calls out the /lit/wit on all his sins

personally i don't mind him. i just wish he'd shut the fuck up about politics and do some heavier reading so his lectures could come to be what they could be

>>14136229

yes

piaget + jung + william james + a sprinkle of behaviorism and kierkegaardian fideism = ???

>> No.14136465

>>14136348
awful post

>> No.14136472

>>14136302
>he eschews identity politics in general, which is why he holds that same stance whether it be SJWs or white Europeans
He supports Israel, an ethnic nationalist state for the Jews. That's literally identity politics.

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>>14136426
Reminder that Zizek called a lesbian a "degenerate stinking bitch" and is literally /ourguy/
41:20
https://youtu.be/_x0eyNkNpL0

>> No.14136487

>>14136311
>>14136412
oh i fucked up and misread your post

youre just gonna have to pick a philosopher or topic youre interested, and then dive in from there.
good luck though, the reading will be unlike anything youve ever read before, and you will frequently find yourself thinking
>i read that but i dont actually understand that

also everyone knows the dirty secret that no one 4chan actually reads philosophy
>https://pervegalit.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/how-to-fake-your-way-through-hegel/

>>14136472
ive never heard/read his discussion on Israel
but there is the possibility that its more about nationalism
he clearly supports Canada, despite being against whatever that bill it was that he opposed
>French people have France
>Germans have Germany
>Jews have Israel
seems like it could very well be a nationalistic line of thinking

>> No.14136494

>>14136487
Nationalism is literally identity politics.

>> No.14136512

>>14136494
cant argue there desu
but if you extrapolate and abstract enough, it becomes this
>identifying as male is identity politics
>we are all human
>identifying as human is identity politics
>we are all mammals
>identifying as mammals is identity politics
>we are all living organisms

so this is one of those "youre right but i dunno, something seems off" kind of scenarios for me
but what do i know, im just an autistic dumb shit posting on moot's xanga

>> No.14136537

>>14135618
He's not reducing them, that's literally the extent of his knowledge of them; his hot takes on Marx should show the depth of his erudition.

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>>14135592
Why does he say "Dosteeyevsky"

>> No.14136580

>>14136412
I'm a self-taught software engineer, even though I failed University back in the days: I still managed to somehow get into the field. I lift and take relatively good care of my body, it would be difficult to list all of my issues here but: I got sexually abused back in my youth and it fucked me up so hard I can't trust women (still a virgin even though I got many opportunities), I have phobias (water, mostly, from PTSD induced from other physical abuses), I don't invest myself much, I don't try the things that interest me because I feel like I won't be good enough (photography, music, screenwriting, movie-making). Basically: I don't try very hard, I'm kind of a manchild even though I stopped video-games and porn a long time ago.

People often tell me that I'm "smart", even my therapist told me that, friends of mine told me to get my IQ tested because "you're probably a genius man", and it pisses me off because I feel like a constant fraud.

Well, let just say I can feel myself falling into insanity, I was wondering if there were some "easy-to-jump-in" approach to philosophy but that seems delusional, I think I'll just grab the recommended books and work on top of that.

>>14136487
Ah, no problem, thanks a lot for your answers, I guess I'll start with some French authors since I'm French myself.

>> No.14136591

>>14135653
lol hate those fags.

>> No.14136608

>>14136580
people on 4chin like to parrot IQ and success because IQ is probably the "best" predictor correlating with success
not enough people on 4chin stress an equally important component: conscientiousness

whats the point in being "smart" if you cant even get past the first 10 pages of a textbook
ive never met anyone smart enough to discover the world's "knowledge" on his own
especially considering the massive progress mankind has made since the gutenberg press
>mfw more and more knowledge in this world to read and understand
>mfw still have the same limited time and lifespan as anyone who came before me

>> No.14136623

>>14135592
He's alright but I don't watch him. What little I've heard him speak he's spouted some common sense stuff that didn't make me think twice. If you no role models growing up and no direction he'd be a nice change of pace. So I get why people like him.

>> No.14136945

>>14136214
read this article for the first time literally last night when doing research for a paper I'm writing. I think his self help still holds merit for young men because the meaning he attributes to stories does help many young men, but holy fuck does he have nothing to say

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Reminder that Peterson is a Zionist psyop.

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>>14135592

>> No.14137108

because he has a moron's understanding of derrida and foucault

>> No.14137109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PESYQ6TGwhQ&t=4s

>> No.14137116

post2016/lit/ loves him
losers

>> No.14137151

>>14135653
>....
Ah, another pseud from plebbit unable to finish his thoughts.

>> No.14137175

>>14137109
Sounds like Zizek. Is this the state of modern "Western" philosophy?

>> No.14137219

>>14137108
Yeah, but so did derrida and foucault

>> No.14137443

>>14135592
bafflegab wizard and charlatan

his daughter didn't clean her room and yet tells everyone else to clean theirs

didn't sleep for a month because he was on meth yet claimed is was because he had a little bit of apple cider

kneels to moloch obv

>> No.14137454

>>14136098
Sorry I worded that wrong, I know YOU didn't say he claimed that but that people tend to call him a philosopher when he's never said anything of the like. I am the same person you replied to and I am also ambivalent towards him. My gripe is that he pushes Christianity whilst not being neither a thiest nor athiest, giving off a very confused, inauthentic vibe. Yet, he doesn't like Islam (at least he admits he doesn't know anything about that religion.)

>> No.14137476

>>14137151
>Ah
...

>> No.14137598

>>14136214
/thread

>> No.14137695

>>14135993
Which part of it, that he debated a fraud like Zizek or that a fraud like Zizek destroyed him so effortlessly?

>> No.14137789

>>14135638
is this picture real or some photoshop? i've seen a screenshot of his daughter tweeting it, did she apply the makeup and take a photo? i have to know

>> No.14137800

>>14136558
Because he's a dumb man's smart man.

>> No.14137890

>>14135653
father forgive me
for my
childish ways
your wish is my command
my command
my command

>> No.14137998

>>14136054
>he has brown eyes
what's wrong with that

>> No.14138045

>>14135592
>I'm assembling a team

>> No.14138063

>>14135598
fpbp

>> No.14138408

>>14135653
>brown people
>attending philosophy class
doubt

>> No.14138410

>>14136477
holy based-a-rooni

>> No.14138442

>>14136608
I agree, I don't even want to know my IQ as I don't think it would be of any help to me.

>> No.14138450

>>14135598
>self-help tier
That's pretty high tier. He's not that.

>> No.14138615

>>14135592
I think he's fantastic. I don't hate him at all.

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>>14135592
He betrayed Leonidas

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>>14138655
Individualists eternally btfo?

>> No.14138751

>>14135609
>muh lobster

>> No.14138847

>>14138655
That's retarded, he talk a lot about how religions helped civilizations gorms, how good they are and how people need a common myth to be united.

Why are you lying?

>> No.14138973

>>14138847
He may have said a few good things about religion, but he still likes to present himself as classically liberal / libertarian (very individualistic). Yet excuses Jewish in-group preference out of political correctness. Not a wholly beneficial outlook when that strategy has become self-devouring. Why are you lying?

>> No.14139044

>>14138973
>he might have said a few good thing
>a few
Read his books.

>very individualistic
You know you can both recognize the importance of the unique and of the group, right? Peterson wrote and talked about the importance of both. I know people like you can only think in binary but make a little effort, please.

>Yet excuses Jewish in-group preference out of political correctness.
I don't remember him saying that desu. I only read people talking about it. Could you show me where he said that?

>> No.14139092

>>14137998
Having brown eyes means you have a low IQ
i saw it on /pol/ so it must be true!

>> No.14139252

>>14139044
His stated political beliefs stress individualism, regardless. It's nothing groundbreaking, even if it shocks today's modern liberals. Classical liberalism itself is a very old English line of thought, with roots in Puritanism. I do believe it was successful in a limited sense once upon a time, judging by political developments. I know something of the history, so you're off the mark with your binary argument.

As for Jewish in-group preference, he has awkwardly discussed or evaded the topic on a few occasions that I recall. No links to hand, you'll be sorry to hear. You're certainly welcome to do your own research and ascertain the facts. I have important things to attend to currently, but I may read the thread later -- if you want to continue the discussion with other anons. Feel free to do as you wish, though.

>> No.14139385

>>14136010
Sage isn't an anti-bump you newfag

>> No.14139441

Because he is an anti-white globalist and because
he promoted Camille Paglia and her book about pedophelia and how she believes it should be legal. Too many things don't add up about this man and I believe he isn't to be trusted. He claims to be a friend of the white man whilst openly advocating for anti-whiteness and why you shouldn't be proud of being white. Suck my cock Juden Peterstein, you're one of them.

>> No.14139543

>>14135592
Because he's terrible at all three of those things. He writes like an undergrad trying to make a paper sound intellectual.

>> No.14139571

>>14136120
>Everyone that avoids the Jewish question is clearly a shill or a hack, I'm so based and redpilled because I truly understand how the world operates and it's ran by those fucking Jews, why am I the only truly enlightened individual that sees this? No, it cant be that I'm just a fucking retard whose entire worldview literally derives from a meme imageboard

>> No.14139711

>>14139571
t. Abraham Cohenberg

>> No.14139846

>>14139441
this

>> No.14139872

>>14135653
h-haha, yeah true. I hate those people!

>> No.14139888

>>14135592
point-blank ideologist who uses nietzsche, jung, dostoevsky mixed with evolutionary biology to justify social inequality through a conservative lens. he's not a total idiot, but he should have stuck to academia. although a lot of what he says is real talk.

>> No.14139896

>>14138408
>brown people
>attending class
FTFY

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>> No.14140070

>>14139711
I knew this was coming. Found it funny for some reason tho

>> No.14140928

>>14135598
Just because his career has involved self help in the last few years doesn't mean you can dismiss Maps of Meaning.
https://youtu.be/2zCP9mW0GH4

>> No.14141731

>>14135592
He's too convinced of his own mythos. Unless he can recognize the connection between losing his important paperwork and forgetting which students/clients preferred which pronouns, he'll just go down be another sophist.

>>14140928
I really liked Maps of Meaning when I flipped through it at the used bookstore
Then I realized who the author was, took two seconds to find "socialist" and "women" in the forward, sighed heavily, and put it back

>> No.14141762

>>14136348
>jews have a tribe. you don't have a tribe and you never did
lol?

>> No.14141770

>>14135609
>where are the post-modern neo-marxists you fucking hack?

>> No.14141825

>>14137695
He seemed like he didn't even know what he was supposed to be talking about from the beginning to the end.

>> No.14142460

>>14141731
Wow, you must be really intelligent. Tell me more.

>> No.14142475

>>14142460
Sure, what about?

>> No.14142483

>>14139092
Stay mad nigger

>> No.14142488

>>14142475
What exactly did you like about Maps of Meaning before you came to realize the author and why exactly did your realization turn you away from it?

>> No.14142506

>>14142488
I like blueprints of thought, systems for how our emotions and logic work. Most are pseudoscience or just fantasy (astrology, Enneagram), and some resonate with me better (Jung). So, when I opened it and saw diagrams of alchemy's focus on turning lead into gold, and how that mimics the human need to transform the present into an idealized future, I was like, "holy shit, that's fucking great."

When I realized who wrote it, I looked more closely at the writing. He didn't just play around building a system, he threw in his personal tastes. He mentioned how he used to like socialism until he "figured out" that "socialists just hated rich people," or something. I had already disliked him for his personal stances, so when I noticed that, I decided not to spend more time with it. Just as he has chosen which ideas he dislikes, so have I.

>> No.14142516

>>14142506
So it had your interest until you noticed something that challenged your opinion?

Also, whatever "personal tastes" you may be referring to, I don't see any reason to reject them outright. If the socialism line your paraphrasing is supposed to be an example of his "personal tastes" then it's a bad one because that's actually something he quoted from George Orwell and he backs up the position very well in both his writing and his lectures.

>> No.14142519

>>14135592
from 1950 - 1965 era till today we as blk folk are due reporationn because the government destroyed blk areas with drugs and guns and business hinderments till this day. the crack era in blk areas, the government created that. We lost 5. 2 billuon dollars in blk wealth. Prision for profit was government thing versus blk americans.. Agian destroying blk areas and citizen with prison and false arrest[felony records ] of blk citizen. From 1992-now another 3 billion+ in blk wealth. So we are owed that. If the Us government never brought drugs here. Who's to say what we could have accomplished in wealth . If ur rebuttal us blk folk sold drugs too. Cop out answer. Ok

Its who planned it in wrong way to disfrancise others economically. Even Scat[standardize score testing ] testing thing they do in public school is minimize education funding on blk folk in majority. Numbered public schools. 70% of them fail because they give the students 4 grades above their knowing in tesr . A second grader doing 6 grade math . Now if a school is not up to par they close it. This hurt blk education and blk area to succeed . They did it on purpose.

Im not even adding blk farmers, Land stealing in the 80s and 90s and the destruction of blk wall street in Ok, Nc va, Sc, Delaware , Florida. Dc. Md NYC. East side of New Jersey . 15 billion.and 200 billion respectively. We are owed that.

Please not sum blk farmer settled with the us government Agian some not all.

>> No.14142522

>>14142516
>>14142516
I should also add that he wasn't talking about how he "used to like socialism", it was that he was involved in the Canadian NDP and couldn't articulate why the socialist-types he was surrounded by were so unappealing to him until he read Orwell.

>> No.14142556

>>14142516
>>14142522
Let me put it like this. When I dont like somebody, I try to figure out my reasons. What is it about me that makes me dislike them. I try very hard not to jump to conclusions, form conceptual patterns, and then get aggressive about them - not when they relate to other people. My personal taste is to map out the architecture of my own belief and compare it to others. He and I don't sync up in that respect, and because he's contemporary, he's akin to a YouTube personality. Combine those elements and I choose to say no. After he dies, we may all decide he was worth it, and I might just go back and give him a shot. However, I think he'd agree on not going into certain things until the dust has settled. He just wouldn't notice he's one of them

>> No.14142585

>>14142556
>When I dont like somebody, I try to figure out my reasons. What is it about me that makes me dislike them. I try very hard not to jump to conclusions, form conceptual patterns
Well you didn't do a very good job
>He and I don't sync up in that respect, and because he's contemporary, he's akin to a YouTube personality.
Maps of Meaning was literally published 20 years ago. He blew up 3 years ago because a trans person pulled out their cellphone in the midst of a mob and his words caught on.
>After he dies, we may all decide he was worth it, and I might just go back and give him a shot.
Or, yknow, you could try acquiring some critical thinking skills.

>> No.14142654

>>14142585
That's why I sighed so heavily when I put Maps of Meaning back on the shelf. It had the makings of something interesting, and instead he's used his time to go on the Dr. Oz show and run away from the fact that people like you are out there reading his works

>> No.14142671

>>14142654
What are you even trying to articulate?

>> No.14143033

I think Peterson may be able to gently redpill liberal boomer moms. Mine may be in the process of an awakening, although she may never admit her understanding. Her trajectory was lots of Joe Rogan then Peterson. Peterson was the first stepping stone in my gf's successful redpilling journey. I think you nerds should soften up; he may be a very important catalyst in correcting at least some of the outright absurdity in modern western culture.

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>>14136214
>(It does help if you are male and Caucasian.)

>> No.14143408

>>14136477
>apologizes for it
lmao what a cuck

>> No.14143421

>>14139252
>His stated political beliefs stress individualism, regardless.
And as I shown, it doesn't mean he only care about that, which was your original point.

>As for Jewish in-group preference, he has awkwardly discussed or evaded the topic on a few occasions that I recall
I genuilely only remember him talking about jews IQ, in which he went went into some details, and him refusing to answer to some guy quoting "100 hundred years together" at him. I guess that's a 50/50 for now?

>> No.14143430

>>14143033
Are you 12?

>> No.14143434

>>14142506
>He mentioned how he used to like socialism until he "figured out" that "socialists just hated rich people,"

Iirc he tell about how his opinion of socialists was changed when he met the supposed rich oppressors and realized some of them were nice and hardworking peoples while some of the socialists he knew were hateful spergs.

>> No.14143440

>>14135592
leftists are filled with nothing but hate
they even hate themselves

>> No.14143469

>>14137009
>>14136310
Substantiate your claims

>> No.14143471

>>14143430
No; Late 20s. I am keen to the influence that boomers have in the US and the most lengthy boomer interactions I encounter are with my parents. I'm surprised someone sees that as unusual. From what I can gather, from my limited exposure, they are perpetually inundated with shit from their facebook feed echochambers and are an extremely confused bunch continuing to drive us all into utter chaos with their retarded sentiments involving our role in valuing and maintaining the principles established by historical western thinkers and the primacy of the concept of the self. I think Peterson is helping to remedy this and I have learned things from him, myself. Personally, I find his perspectives about symbology, jungian psychology and religion interesting/educational. I'm not college educated; I'm just some dumb armchair intellectual so maybe some of the topics are more tangible to people who attended history and humanities courses at university, but I find value in his teachings and think he's probably benefitting society overall even if he does come off as pedantic from time to time.

>> No.14144111

>>14135592
Nobody on this board has anything to criticize him for. They just mock him for engaging in self-help or popular interviews or for being thorough (see: word salad, common sense).
Sometimes people will attempt to accuse him of misconstruing a thinker but they never describe why in full detail (see: Godel) and any time the discussion goes full length they end up being corrected but they'll never let go of their position anyway. I'm not saying Peterson is untouchable, but people on this board who try and write him off deliberately pretend they know more than they actually do so they can bluff-insult him using rhetorical language.

>> No.14144913

>>14137219
yea but derrida and foucault were pseuds who wanted to fuck little boys

>> No.14144969

>>14135598
Yeah, he just masks his pseudo drivel in Jungian terms so people automatically think he's a genius just because they're too retarded to help themselves out and fall for it since they lack critical thought and knowledge on subjects like postmodernism, much like Peterson himself because he clearly doesn't know what postmodernism is.

>> No.14144998

>>14144111
Because most people that dismiss him know he's mostly full of shit and doesn't have anything to offer outside of self-help and solid /lit/ recs, so why bother?

>> No.14145104

>>14144998
Including you? Offer some specific examples.

>> No.14145116

>>14145104
Read up on postmodernism, then listen to Peterson and you'll see that he clearly lacks the grasp of fundamentals for starters.

>> No.14145231

>>14145116
>>14144111
>people on this board who try and write him off deliberately pretend they know more than they actually do so they can bluff-insult him using rhetorical language.
>Read up on postmodernism, then listen to Peterson and you'll see that he clearly lacks the grasp of fundamentals for starters.

Thank you for demonstrating my point.

>> No.14145267

So is he out of rehab yet?

>> No.14145333 [DELETED] 

>>14144111
>but people on this board who try and write him off deliberately pretend they know more than they actually do so they can bluff-insult him using rhetorical language.
You just describe 90% of all content on this board.

>>14144998
>Because most people that dismiss him know he's mostly full of shit and doesn't have anything to offer outside of self-help and solid /lit/ recs, so why bother?
I think Peterson is a faggot and has demonstrable done more harm than good for conservatism in America, he only became popular due to a rising energy and answer, which would be wise guys and Gurus like him have totally squandered instead of channeling it into actions - but - even I can admit what he says to say about psychology is interesting and way more scientific than the psychobabble one tends to encounter in the field. He offers real and interesting data, on for example the differences between men and women. Outside of his field however he is a total fool and shouldn't be listened to by anyone.

>> No.14145344

>>14144111
>but people on this board who try and write him off deliberately pretend they know more than they actually do so they can bluff-insult him using rhetorical language.
Do you realize you've just described 90% of all content on this board?

>>14144998
>Because most people that dismiss him know he's mostly full of shit and doesn't have anything to offer outside of self-help and solid /lit/ recs, so why bother?
I think Peterson is a faggot and has demonstrably done more harm than good for conservatism in the west, that he only became popular due to a rising energy and anger unrelated to him, which would be wise guys and Gurus like him have totally squandered instead of channeling it into meaningful action - but - even I can admit what he says to say about psychology is interesting and way more scientific than the psychobabble one tends to encounter in the field. He offers real and interesting data, on for example the differences between men and women. Outside of his field however he is a total fool and shouldn't be listened to by anyone.

>> No.14145361

>>14135609
>just watch some of his videos
/lit/, 2019

>> No.14145519 [DELETED] 

>>14135592
He looks like he smells of cologne and baby powder in equal parts.

>> No.14145572

>>14145344
>I think Peterson is a faggot and has demonstrably done more harm than good for conservatism in the west
>Outside of his field however he is a total fool and shouldn't be listened to by anyone.
I'm sorry but what exactly has he said that deems him worthy of this description?

>> No.14145611

>>14135592
I really don't understand the hate. He's a great jumping off point for self improvement and the development of good physical and mental habits.

What's next after one has outgrown Peterson?

>> No.14145732

>>14145572
He's someone who literally goes on at length about the evolutionary roots of systems and behaviors suggesting there's an inevitability or strength of drive therein, but then he'll turn around and say "but don't do this if you're white, remember and embody what Nietzsche said, who would despite me and you for listening to me". It's...laughable.

>> No.14145947

>>14145732
>"but don't do this if you're white, remember and embody what Nietzsche said, who would despite me and you for listening to me"
What exactly are you talking about? Can you at least put some effort into articulating your own arguments?

>> No.14146906

>>14145611
Jung and the Bible

>> No.14146983

>>14136024
>wallop in their miseries

>> No.14146998

>>14135592
Because he literally has not taken a stance on anything other than "clean your room"

>> No.14147003

>>14137476
>...
Ah

>> No.14147065

>>14135592
Really cool on most things
He stresses the individual too much in his political opinions

>> No.14147131

He's unread in nearly all the subjects he criticizes, his widest read book is a shallow appeal to the good ol' days, and his academic production seems rather unimportant (even in his narrow field). He profits off rubes, which is kinda fun, but I think I'd prefer a Peterson who was earnest, well-researched, and thoughtful.

>> No.14147139

>>14135728
*lost in the dialectic

>> No.14147146

>>14136136
He doesn't need the faculty position anymore. He doesn't touch on it because he doesn't believe in white tribalism.

>> No.14147149

>>14147131
>his academic production seems rather unimportant
He has a paper with over a thousand citations.

>> No.14147152

>>14135592
Cause /lit/ can not do any of those things themselves.

>> No.14147207 [DELETED] 

>>14147149
>You're talking about "Between facets and domains: 10 aspects of the Big Five"? He's not the primary author (in fact, he's not the primary author on seven of his top ten citations), but fair enough. His h-index is also pretty high.

>> No.14147213

>>14147149
You're talking about "Between facets and domains: 10 aspects of the Big Five"? He's not the primary author (in fact, he's not the primary author on seven of his top ten citations), but fair enough. His h-index is also pretty high.

>> No.14147245

>>14147213
>He's not the primary author
I'm ignorant here, how do you determine whether hes the "primary author", and what does that even mean?

>> No.14147249

>>14137789
it's real. he said he was letting his daughter practice makeup on him.

>> No.14147277

never read Zizek
never read Marx
never read Foucault
goes on live debate and proves this to be the case in 1 hour or less, after criticising them for years previously

>> No.14147778

>>14147245
Well, the first author listed is the lead author, and while the lead is generally considered the author with the biggest input on the article, determining leads is an insane political endeavor. What it tells us is that Peterson's contribution to these articles was, for some reason, determined to be smaller than the lead's.

>>14147277
I can sorta forgive someone not into Marxism for not reading Gramsci, Althusser, Trotsky, Lukacs, Benjamin, et al., but in his conversation with Zizek, Peterson established pretty clearly that he hasn't even read the Communist Manifesto. I suspect he doesn't even know who Lyotard is (never mind any other post modern critic). Zizek's public persona is that of a charlatan, but Peterson is even worse.

>> No.14147851

>>14147778
>Well, the first author listed is the lead author, and while the lead is generally considered the author with the biggest input on the article, determining leads is an insane political endeavor. What it tells us is that Peterson's contribution to these articles was, for some reason, determined to be smaller than the lead's.
Fair enough, I suppose I didn't really have to ask. I still don't see any reason why Peterson should be considered a charlatan since anybody with a critical mind can scrutinize what he says without having to refer to anything else.

>> No.14148470

>>14147851
>I still don't see any reason why Peterson should be considered a charlatan
I proffered this argument not for his academic production (which I don't care about) nor even really for 12 Rules (which is just another shallow self-help book), but for his complete inability to read up on any topic he criticizes.

>> No.14148679

>>14145732
>>14145344
>has done more harm than good for conservatism in the west
>Peterson will turn around and say "but don't do this if you're white"
He has never publicly said anything like this. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Peterson has helped usher in a new era of conservatism by embodying an appealing image of western conservatism not offered to young liberals by their echochambers providing only caricatures of retarded hicks and 100-year-old bitter walking corpses.

>>14145611
Terence Mckenna