/Anti-Christ General/

[Anonymous No.14129967]

ITT: great atheist/pagan literature.

I'm tired of people thinking Dawkins and Hitchens with their glorified anglo coloring-by-numbers rhetoric schlock are the pinnacle of anti-christian literature.

It's time to build up the new canon that will sustain us through the metaphysical wasteland that christian and its hostility to life has created.

Starting with the obvious.

[fuckyrofsfsd !!1sNnL+lSKeY No.14129972]

>>14129967
NIteche is shi

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>>14129967
>Starting with the obvious.
Not The Antichrist?

I was made aware of this piece some years ago from good old /lit/. Has anyone read it?

[Anonymous No.14129985]

Nietzsche/Stirner/Postmodern philosophy is currently being tried in our modern liberal democracies. We have got rid of “spooks” and “meta narratives” and everybody is encouraged to “be themselves”, “explore and express their identity”, and “make their own meaning”.
Things are turning to shit very fucking quickly. Turns out listening to Wagner and sucking cock isn’t a substitute for a grand religious meta narrative with a firm connection to tradition and ancient thinking.

[Anonymous No.14129990]

Any good philosophy after Nietzsche that replaces or refuses Platonic-Judeo-Christian culture and philosophy doesn’t induce cringe by constantly talking about how bad religion is. Making an anti-Christ canon is fucking teenager shit. Glad you at least recognize how retarded Dawkins and Hitchens and Harris are, though.

[Anonymous No.14129991]

>>14129967
>rhetoric schlock
>posts a poorly informed unsympathetic outsider that did nothing more than hurl the same ridiculous diatribes, which merely faded into the near-bottomless abyss that constitutes the Christian exegesis
No...

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>>14129972
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9FfJrgrUKg

[Anonymous No.14130003]

Taleb already BTFO neet
https://medium.com/incerto/we-dont-know-what-we-are-talking-about-when-we-talk-about-religion-3e65e6a3c44e
https://medium.com/incerto/how-to-be-rational-about-rationality-432e96dd4d1a
https://medium.com/incerto/no-worship-without-skin-in-the-game-70b4aa341092
https://youtu.be/VuJD5Zfqti8
https://youtu.be/XAbSmTGJhEA
https://unherd.com/2019/03/why-god-needs-skin-in-the-game/

[Anonymous No.14130004]

>antichrist
>implying you need literature to support this way of thinking

The aberage 4chan Christian is about as antichristian as you can possibly get. I've literally never heard a single Christian on here talk about loving your enemies, helping the needy or even being humble. Most "Christians" on here are judgemental a-holes who view their religion as merely a tool to gain power over people, which is completely inconsistent with the message of Jesus. Their actions, which usually reveals what a man truly believes in, show them for what they really are: atheists dressed up in the judgemental zeal of faux-Christianity. If you don't believe me, just ask some of these "Christian" when they last worked in a soupkitchen, or did anything that others gained from instead of they themselves.

[Anonymous No.14130074]

>>14129980
I see Nietzsche's Antichrist as limited due to its role as pure antithesis to the religion it seeks to obliterate. A necessary step (I'm very happy he wrote it and definitely recommend everyone read it); however Zarathustra goes beyond being mere antithesis to something and becomes the source for something wholly new. It puts forward a whole new horizon and paradigm to explore and manifest according to the new ecstasies that shirk all remnants of the previous, parochial and patriarchal institutions of christendom. It is something truly beyond christianity and owes nothing to it.

>>14129985
>Nietzsche/Stirner/Postmodern philosophy is currently being tried in our modern liberal democracies
No. These institutions are constructs of, and populated by, the Last Men that Nietzsche prophylactically diagnosed and dismissed. They are the secularists who are not worthy of the mighty deed we have done by killing god.

>>14129990
You misunderstood the intention of this thread, I think. The 'anti-christ general' title is just a tongue-in-cheek prod against the christians who according to their doctrines have to declare anything outside their doctrines as 'anti-christ'. I'm just having fun with them.

But the point is I am looking to assemble a list of books, thinkers, etc. who have successfully begun to build worldviews that are not subsumed within christian ethos, ethics, and so on. Ray Brassier once said something like, 'We are not looking for repentance, but rather reactivation'. I am looking for literature that will 'reactivate' us.

>>14130003
don't be silly.

[Anonymous No.14130097]

>>14130074
You're afraid to get BTFO by Taleb, unlindy imbecile

[Anonymous No.14130116]

Just wanted to stop by and say hi in the cringe thread.

[Anonymous No.14130119]

>>14130004
t. an atheist

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>>14130074
Agreed. It is just part one of his unfinished Reevaluation of All Values. Has there been anyone who hazarded a guess at what the rest might have been like?
>I am looking for literature that will 'reactivate' us.
I really really have to put more time into my writing.

[Anonymous No.14130135]

>>14130074
>outside Christian ethos and ethics
as much as I love Nietzsche, he’s just a particularly strident Protestant. all the best atheist thinkers are reacting to religion in very religious ways. you can’t just supplant the influence of the Bible in the west because you feel like it. I guess you could read early archaeological records of language formations before Hebrew about trading sheep or something if you wanna step entirely out of a religious framework, but be careful you don’t stumble into Zoroaster

[Anonymous No.14130266]

>>14130135
>as much as I love Nietzsche, he’s just a particularly strident Protestant. all the best atheist thinkers are reacting to religion in very religious ways
I'd disagree. If we examine the essence of christianity and the essence of Nietzsche's thought I think we'll find something entirely opposed.

A very simplistic demonstration of the essential difference would simply be: Christianity is (as Nietzsche rightly saw) life turned against life + ultimate values positioned external to the individual. Nietzsche in contrast accepts life by overcoming the impulse for revenge (there is a great part of Heidegger's 'What is Called Thinking?' that goes into this in more detail, I'll try and find it) and positions values within the individual.

Nietzsche was the cataclysmic catalyst. The frenzied herald of a whole new stage in Humanity, rejecting what has been so far. The difference is that Nietzsche's writings do not come with dogma, like a religious teacher's would, precisely because Nietzsche builds an ultimate autonomy into his philosophy. This rejection of the impulse towards requiring exterior authorities does not lead into a blind autism, however, because Nietzsche also leaves open the door for interaction between subjects who are no longer measuring one another by rigid morals/dogmas based on vulgar axioms that do damage to life.

(found the excerpt from Heidegger)
>(...)What was the thinker's true and one and only thought, which he thought even if he did not announce it on every occasion or always in the same way? Nietzsche gives the answer in the same Part Two of Thus Spoke Zarathustra, in the section "On the Tarantulas":
>'For that man be delivered from revenge: that is the bridge to the highest hope for me, and a rainbow after long storms'
>(...) 'This, yes, this alone is revenge itself: the will's revulsion against time and its 'It was'.'
>Deliverance from revenge remains from the outset partly determined by what revenge itself is. For Nietzsche, revenge is the fundamental characteristic of all thought so far. This is to say: revenge marks the manner in which man so far relates to himself to what is. (...)Nietzsche says: Revenge is the will's revulsion against time and its "It was". What does "time" mean here? Our closer reflection in the preceding lecture had this result" when Nietzsche, in his definition of the essential nature of revenge, mentions time, his idea of "time" is that by which the temporal is made the temporal. And what is the temporal? (...) The temporal is what must pass away.
(hence Nietzsche's "eternal recurrence" basically becomes the absolute accepting of Being as it is, which is something only the ubermensch shall accomplish.)

[Anonymous No.14130328]

>>14129985
people are not independent today they're completely reliant on institutions

[Anonymous No.14130331]

>>14130004
I'm a Christian

I volunteer with my Church every week, we provide:
>food services for the poor
>free showers
>free haircuts
>free career counselling
>free after-school programs for kids no matter what their family's religious background. We make a point of not proselytizing at these events. They are service, not recruitment.
>fortnightly visits to refugee internment camps so that we can provide support and solitary for those imprisoned by the US government

The church I belong to also:
>affirms gay marriage as sacramentaly equivalent to heterosexual marriages
>opposes all wars
>doesn't have cringey rock music
>doesn't do weird missionary shit
>has a leadership and doctrine decided by a fair vote of all members
>has no weird tests or fees or elaborate rituals to join. You just come and say you want to be a member. We'll baptize you if you want.
> legitimately has a diverse membership. We're in a poor party of a city next to an expensive private university, and draw evenly from both crowds.


It's pretty comfy, anon. I'm not sure I believe in an afterlife, but being a Christian on Earth is pretty great.

[Anonymous No.14130339]

>>14130331
Episcopal?

[Anonymous No.14130347]

>>14130331
>I'm not sure I believe in an afterlife
how are you christian

[Anonymous No.14130354]

>>14129967
Most Post-Christian works aren't literature. Nietzsche was the first and in some ways the last writer towards this grand effort because he had already hit all the nails; everyone after him has more or less just regurgitated him. If you're interested in serious Post-Christian material, just study Western culture (i.e., the most famous and extreme individuals, not the mere history of the civilization) since the 19th century.

[Anonymous No.14130372]

overman?, antichrist? just follow your true will

[Anonymous No.14130418]

>>14130004
Wait so your complaint is that unlike your average Christian people here have actually read the Bible? loving your enemies involves making "thine enemies thy footstool".

[Anonymous No.14130454]

>>14130347
They clearly aren't, otherwise he wouldn't be so pleased with himself condemning people to everlasting torment. Even if you ignore everything else "opposes all wars" is a beyond fucking evil statement.

[Anonymous No.14130468]

>>14130347
did you not read the part where he said his church was heretical hippy shit

[Anonymous No.14130508]

>>14129985
Brainlet tier. People are utterly brainwashed into serving a self destructive and oppressive political economy. Your entire argument, that people are even remotely free thinkers, let alone choosers, is absolutely counter to reality. You are just a nihilistic baby who wants desperately to weep into the arms of christ and pretend everything is okay.

[Anonymous No.14130526]

>>14130003
Which one of those has anything to do with neet???

[Anonymous No.14130547]

>>14129967
nitshey was a muslim

[Anonymous No.14130580]

>>14130454
>dude just fight pointless middle eastern wars for Israel it’s what god wants
based retard

[Anonymous No.14130614]

>>14129980
The Antichrist feels like a continuation of The Grand Inquisitor to me. They both are in agreement as to what Jesus really meant, and paint the same picture of the church.

[Anonymous No.14130660]

>>14130580
Do you believe God wouldn't want Christians defending other Christians?

[Anonymous No.14130999]

I think the problem here is that you haven't gotten the upgrade yet. Abrahamism 3.0 is the real good shit.

[Anonymous No.14131068]

>>14130331
>affirms gay marriage as sacramentaly equivalent to heterosexual marriages
>I'm a Christian
Ok heretic

[Anonymous No.14131076]

>>14130331
I'm into non-dualism but that sounds like a wonderful church. I'd volunteer there if it were near to me. Universal kindness is the most important thing.

[Anonymous No.14131222]

>>14130004
Lets be real here, no-one is atheist or Christian here, they are just NEET

[Anonymous No.14131471]

>>14129967
So instead of Dawkins, you think Nietzsche, who just raves on for pages and pages about why he personally doesn't like Christian doctrine without actually providing any evidence-based arguments against it, is the real pinnacle of anti-Christian literature? Keep trying.

[Anonymous No.14131718]

>>14129967
Friendly reminder to all that eternal life is freely given by God through our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Hear the gospel.

My sheep hear my voice

https://youtu.be/BXMA4xOS5BY

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>>14131718
>Conditional love
Get out

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[Anonymous No.14133166]

>>14129967
>Anti-Christ
>pagan
Atheist, sure, but Judaism doesn't really count as pagan.

[Anonymous No.14133173]

>>14133160
Why is this retarded tripfag tranny shitting up 4 out of every 5 threads in the catalog

[Anonymous No.14133191]

>>14133173
Autism causes atheism.
There is a reason to believe that transgenderism, mtf especially, is largely autism.
Spamming and flooding entire boards, now that is also a symptom of autism.

Just my guess.

[Anonymous No.14133927]

>>14130331
I don't believe in an afterlife.
If this is indeed the case consider working for secular charities.

[Anonymous No.14134019]

>>14133927

A lot of progressive Churches deemphasize the afterlife part of Christian doctrine. Most liberal Jews, for example, you'd probably call some form of atheist, but the religion still provides a context for their practice and beliefs.

This is also true for a great many of real-life, not insane Southern Christians, or the tradcaths you see LARPing online.

[Anonymous No.14134041]

>>14129967
Don't put Atheism and Paganism in the same bucket please. They're completely different things.