/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14102168]

Are there any books that explain why women are nice, smell good, and give soft hugs?

[Anonymous No.14102346]

I don't know but I really like girls and thought that this is the right time to bring it up :3

[Anonymous No.14102384]

>>14102346
Asian 'women' are really similar to little boys in face and frame. I think men with yellow fever have homosexual tendencies.

[Anonymous No.14102412]

>>14102384
and what's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.14103462]

>>14102168
Unironically On Women by Schopenhauer. Since you're going to read Schop, don't be pleb and read his main philosophy works also.

[Anonymous No.14103854]

>>14103462
Based. Just read it, and yes, this unironically answers OP's question

[Anonymous No.14103865]

>>14102412
High rate of suicides, STDs and a pattern of sexually abusing children.

[Anonymous No.14103871]

>Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex.
—Arthur Schopenhauer

[Anonymous No.14104197]

>>14103871
What a faggot!

[Anonymous No.14104302]

>>14103871
But women have longer legs, compared to their upper body, than men?

[Anonymous No.14104462]

>>14104302
Never trust incels writing on women (alien creatures)

[Anonymous No.14104512]

>>14103871
Wow Schopenhauer sounds like a total faggot
I can understand criticism of female mindsets but if you think men look better you’re clearly a fag

[Anonymous No.14104553]

>>14104302
Literally not true. You only think that because women frequently wear high heels and high-waisted pants. But actual anthropometric studies clearly show that women have smaller leg:torso ratios than men.

[Anonymous No.14104743]

>>14104553
thanks. got bamboozled once again.

[Anonymous No.14104843]

ak

[Anonymous No.14104894]

>>14102346
I just like how they look. But most of them look ugly, sadly. The one from your pic is cute

[Anonymous No.14105294]

>>14103871
This is the gayest thing I’ve ever read.

[Anonymous No.14105310]

>>14105294
And Schoppy wondered why everyone went to Hegel’s lectures instead.

[Anonymous No.14105324]

>>14102168
based and lovepilled
keep it up fren

[Anonymous No.14105325]

>>14102168
You dont need a book.
>why women are nice
Theyre not, they try to appear nice in order to draw in potential suckers
>smell good
Shampoo/perfumes
>give soft hugs
I can also give soft hugs, its not that hard

[Anonymous No.14105344]

>>14105325
>I can also give soft hugs, its not that hard
Have you been hugged by a woman? Besides your own mother

[Anonymous No.14105390]

>>14105344
My cousin's girlfriend hugged me once

[Anonymous No.14105397]

>>14104512
men are much more aesthetic no homo. this is the case throughout the animal kingdom, the male variety of a species is always more aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.14105406]

>>14105344
yes, my grandmother many times and my step-aunt one time

[Anonymous No.14105408]

>>14105397
based & faggotpilled

[Anonymous No.14105414]

>>14102168
Just ask for the fiction department

[Anonymous No.14105449]

>>14102168
>why women are nice
Women have a smaller physique and a higher pitched voice than men on average. That surely had some impact on the way some men, in history, shaped culture in such a way as to put them on top (this is true whether or not this was a good or a bad thing). Historically, culture didn't let women command or dominate nearly any aspect of society except stuff that in the background like textile work or something. To this day there are still expectations that women be nurturing and not overbearing. Men are expected to ask out, women are expected to not do the same; women rather than men are expected to raise children and be nice to kids. So women turn out nice better than men do.
>smell good
Perfumes and shampoos
>give soft hugs
They're on average soft people

[Anonymous No.14105471]

>>14103871
>>14104512
>>14105397
But we can't know whether he was right or not since our minds are, as he says, clouded by our sexual drive. He was old when he wrote that, so it's fair to say his sexual drive had diminished by then and he could see what we don't see now.

[Anonymous No.14105612]

What if my ideal woman is Claire Underwood?

>cold on the inside, warm on the outside
>calculating
>detached
>pragmatic

[Anonymous No.14105633]

>>14105612
That's the whole of female sex.

[Anonymous No.14105638]

>>14105633
If only

[Anonymous No.14105762]

>>14102168
It’s actually kind of embarrassing how happy I would be to get the chance to be a woman’s servant. I don’t know if it’s because the women in my life have almost always been more competent than the men, but I’ve gotten to a point where I’ve decided that I love women and feel that men are inferior to them. I just want please and serve a woman so I can make them happy.

My concern is that this will develop into an unhealthy mindset because I’ve noticed that I’m having some misandrist thoughts despite being male myself and I’m still thinking of this one girl I went out on a date with that things didn’t work out with. I’m concerned that my obsession with women and dislike of men might negatively impact me socially in future. Anyone else know this feel?

>>14105612
No, the ideal IMO is when they have a cold exterior but a warm and affectionate interior. I remember when I was younger I had this female teacher who everyone hated because she was super strict, but I loved her and she wound up developing a real soft spot for me. I think she’s one of the women who made me develop my subservient attitude towards women.

[Anonymous No.14105782]

>>14102168
It's literally just your brain tricking you into wanting to stick your dick into them.

[Anonymous No.14105794]

>>14102168
>>14102346
>>14102412
>>14103462
>>14103854
>>14104197
>>14104302
>>14104462
>>14104512
>>14104843
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>>14105294
>>14105310
>>14105324
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>>14105449
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>>14105762
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT
VAGOID AND VAGOID SYMPATHIZERS NEED TO GET THE FUCK PUT
OH UUR HLEMME JUST CHEAG OK YOU LMEMME HUST FUCK THIS OLDER MAN FOR MONEY TO SUPPIRT MY DRUG HABIT TEE HEE WE ARE TRULY THE FAIRET SEX GET THE FU K OUT

[Anonymous No.14105806]

>>14105324
<3
>>14105762
I relate to some extent but I wouldn't consider myself misandrist. I dislike most people regardless of their gender.

[Anonymous No.14105823]

>>14105806
> I dislike most people regardless of their gender.
basiert

[Anonymous No.14105836]

I much prefer the company of women. Male interaction always seems to be rooted in this performative masculinity nonsense. Besides with women you can drink nice tasting cocktails rather than beer.
Would much rather read Little Women or Pride and Prejudice then something like Hemingway or Mccarthy. I find all that macho stuff about hunting and fighting really boring

[Anonymous No.14105842]

>>14105836
matter of taste. there are much more differences between two random individuals of the same sex than between two sexes on average, personality-wise

[Anonymous No.14105846]

>>14105782
Most true and objective response.

[Anonymous No.14105861]

>>14105806
Oh trust me, I’m at the very least indifferent to most people, but if I had to surround myself with the company of good men vs. the company of good women, I would chose the latter.

Even the most boring girl can be somewhat entertaining to talk to if you’re open minded to what topics you discuss. Normie men meanwhile just seem so alien to me and I struggle to speak with them. Unlike with women, the only men I can tolerate are the ones who are interesting people. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the vast majority of my limited day to day human interaction is with different women.

I also just find it strange how I get a lot of satisfaction out of thinking to myself “I hate men”, but I have no idea why I find it so satisfying.

[Anonymous No.14105970]

Women are boring as hell. Most of them barely pass the Turing test.

[Anonymous No.14106338]

>>14105836
I feel this, but the irony is that I still like some macho fiction, not because it’s macho but because that kind of fiction often tends more towards the esoteric and larger than life. At the same time, I think the more feminine types of fiction have better character writing on average. If I could find more fiction combining the two, that would be great.

[Anonymous No.14106757]

>>14106338
It's one of the things that makes Tolstoy so good is can do the delicate feminine scenes as well as the big bombast.
Or a lesser writer, but similar, would be Trollope who writes these big novels about politics and finance but never loses sight of the domestic lived in reality

[Anonymous No.14106793]

>>14105861
yea but I can snap every woman in half with my bare hands

[Anonymous No.14106936]

>>14105861
i like women more because they tend to just accept me for who i am. with men, they just shun me for being different than them. for example, the job i had before the one i'm working now, there were a bunch of guys and all they would do was quote movies all day or talk about sports. i tell them i don't watch tv and they think i'm a weirdo. its like i'm a threat to them. now, if i tell women that i don't watch tv, they always like it for some reason. men see me as a threat and women see me as exotic, so i just naturally like them more. it also helps to be tall and relatively attractive compared to the typical fat normie in a graphic tee. i think the main thing is that most men are my enemy. they worship things that i can't agree with and they disgust me to my core with their actions. living in a land surrounded by so many soibois is like being a teleported nazi living in israel. what would you expect him to do, just start killing them? obviously not because he would just get killed immediately and really they're not doing anything to harm him directly, he just hates their personality, their practices, and their overall way of life. but he isn't going to be paling around with them either. he'll probably just get some wagie job and a shitty apartment and live meagerly until he dies.

[Anonymous No.14106940]

>>14106757
It's a cliche statement, but the parts of War and Peace involving the female characters are the best parts of the novel. The war sections are dry by comparison. I've not read Anna Karenna yet, but I'm interested in getting to it eventually because it's more of Tolstoy doing the domestic.

One author who I think doesn't get enough credit on /lit/ is Charlotte Bronte. She writes incredibly textured female characters (and male ones too), but she seems to get shafted on /lit/ in favour of Emily because Wuthering Heights is edgier. Charlotte might just be my favourite female novelist of all time though and I think she sets the gold standard for female character writing in literature. Not even Tolstoy can match her on that front.

[Anonymous No.14106970]

>>14106940
Agreed on the Brontes. WH has murders and insanity and ghosts so is more accessible. Villette is just superb, might be the greatest Victorian novel

[Anonymous No.14107009]

>>14106936
I think your reasoning is correct to some extent, but keep in mind that women treating you more nicely doesn't mean anything by itself. Women tend to be more indirect than men. The women that you think accept you as who you are might just want you to think so, despite the reality being something else.

[Anonymous No.14107023]

>>14107009
doesn't matter to me, they're still more pleasant to be around.

[Anonymous No.14107095]

>>14105836
>Male interaction always seems to be rooted in this performative masculinity nonsense.
This should only the case when dealing with strangers. If you feel the need to cloak yourself in some sort of masculine social carapace around people you actually care about, you have garbage-tier friends/family.

[Anonymous No.14107103]

>>14106936
You literally just explained to me what's going on in my head to a t. Thanks for responding.

I think the reason I hate men is because so many men these days are fucking pathetic. Whether they're the soi types or incels, they find their own way to be utterly pitiful. When I think of the men who I DON'T hate, I realise that they're all either laid back Chads or guys with a well thought out life philosophy.

As you said though, talking to women is just far easier. Contrary to what some people say, there are plenty of decent girls out there and most of them are will definitely take an interest in you if you don't act like a typical man. I guess that explains why girls were really protective of me as a kid and why I even got a girl to open up to me about her personal problems. Women are great-- Talking to one brightens up my day.

[Anonymous No.14107158]

>>14107095
I was thinking more eg after work drinks than close friends.

[Anonymous No.14107180]

>>14107095
Men almost always mistake my extreme apathy for some kind of slight against them, it's tedious as fuck

[Anonymous No.14107197]

>>14105397
Men are beautiful in practicality. They look good as they should in their performance. The person you posted looks good because they look like they would perform great at man-oriented tasks. Women look divine and beautiful in that they are the counters of men, seemingly opposite of us. Soft, warm, delicate. They look beautiful in that they would bear children and raise both their partner and children alike

[Anonymous No.14107220]

>>14105397
gayest post i've ever seen

[Anonymous No.14107221]

>>14107103
i think you need to seek help tbqh. you keep turning this into a gender thing
this whole chad shit is even worse. normal ppl dont think like that.
some people are great to talk with and some aren't

[Anonymous No.14107264]

>>14107221
I don't actually think in "Chad" terms. It was just shorthand to get my point across.

I know this is an unhealthy way of thinking and you're right, but it's slowly creeping up on me and I don't know who to turn to with these thoughts. There's also the problem that my mindset seems appealing to me even though I know it's wrong. I guess I'm splurging my thoughts all out here because it's the only time on 4chan that I can admit that I'm a low-key misandrist without being called a "cuck" or something of the sort.

[Anonymous No.14107275]

>>14107220
This, but to this >>14105836

[Anonymous No.14107287]

>>14107264
hey if you can make it work. go for it. hope you can find a woman who agrees with that train of thought.
i do agree that lots of men are pathetic. Like how guys will kiss ass online over anything women will post but be silent to his fellow male friends. because of sex/attention. but im also friends with lots of women who i think are brilliant but seem to want to constantly play the victim or trap themselves into codependency with other men
Anyway sorry if i came off as mean

[Anonymous No.14107304]

>For some time it has struck me that man is a rough-hewn and woman a finished product.

>There is an unbroken consistency in the manners, customs, speech, and adornment of woman. And the reason is, that for ages Nature has assigned to her the same definite rôle and has been adapting her to it. No cataclysm, no political revolution, no alteration of social ideal, has yet diverted woman from her particular functions, nor destroyed their inter-relations. She has loved, tended, and caressed, and done nothing else; and the exquisite skill which she has acquired in these, permeates all her being and doing. Her disposition and action have become inseparably one, like the flower and its scent. She has, therefore, no doubts or hesitations.

>But the character of man has still many hollows and protuberances; each of the varied circumstances and forces which have contributed to his making has left its mark upon him. That is why the features of one will display an indefinite spread of forehead, of another an irresponsible prominence of nose, of a third an unaccountable hardness about the jaws. Had man but the benefit of continuity and uniformity of purpose, Nature must have succeeded in elaborating a definite mould for him, enabling him to function simply and naturally, without such strenuous effort. He would not have so complicated a code of behaviour; and he would be less liable to deviate from the normal when disturbed by outside influences.

>Woman was cast in the mould of mother. Man has no such primal design to go by, and that is why he has been unable to rise to an equal perfection of beauty.

[Anonymous No.14107400]

>>14107287
Are you literally me? I've never actually seen another guy point out how so many men are blatantly thirsty af. It's behaviour that disgusts me and it's disrespectful to both men AND women.

I remember one of my male friends obsessing over the fact he hadn't lost his virginity yet, and even after he did finally lose it, he still found himself upset that one of his female friends "friendzoned" him at he felt guilty about losing his virginity because he didn't lose it to her. He's worrying about that rather than more pressing concerns like the fact that he's an alcoholic.

I think I'm always going to think that women are generally better than men, since personal experience has shown me as much. I just want to make sure I temper my misandry so that I don't come off as weird. After all, that same male friend implied that I was starting to sound like a radfem when I tried to open up about my opinions on women.

[Anonymous No.14107402]

I love girls, they look nice and smell nice and dress nice and they are nice too. Most of my friends are female. But I think most people believe me to be gay due to this, including my female friends. They don't tell me in my face but I'm quite positive they believe it but it feels weird to just be the first to go "btw I'm not gay" when no one has said anything.

[Anonymous No.14107437]

>>14107400
>I've never actually seen another guy point out how so many men are blatantly thirsty af.
i do that a lot. but most ppl ignore what i say. if half of the men in the world stop giving fake attention in hopes for some kind of reward. male/female relationships could be better. but its a pipe dream

>I think I'm always going to think that women are generally better than men,
i think women are better than men. but they dont have to drive like guys have to execute due to centuries of social programming.

[Anonymous No.14107454]

>>14105794
kek

[Anonymous No.14107494]

>>14107437
Yeah, you basically are me. It's for those reasons that I privately consider myself a feminist, but I try to avoid that label out in public because I don't want to be linked to the bastardised disgrace that is modern, corporate feminism. If men actually became men rather than manchildren and women were given that drive you mentioned, a large number of our modern day problems regarding sexual relations would vanish practically overnight.

[Anonymous No.14107546]

>>14105794
Based

[Anonymous No.14107552]

>>14107158
Fair enough. I'd suggest avoiding those types of shallow interactions but I realize that it's important to get along with your coworkers.

[Anonymous No.14107578]

>that explain why women are nice
fiction books i'd say

[Anonymous No.14107594]

>>14107494
>If men actually became men rather than manchildren and women were given that drive you mentioned, a large number of our modern day problems regarding sexual relations would vanish practically overnight.
exactly. I'm hoping we move in that direction in the next decade. Based on my views i'd say im a feminist also. but. i dislike labeling with it. Due to people hating that word and would assume things about me. and other male feminists using the label as a way to gain trust with females just to be a shitty dude in the end. for sex.

[Anonymous No.14107694]

>>14107594
What do we even do about it though? Protecting our female friends from shitty guys and telling them that they deserve better seems like an obvious choice, but to radically alter sexual relations at a societal level requires a group effort, and requires both men and women to make it work.

Sorry to rant about this, but I'm genuinely saddened by how feminism has been hijacked by corporate interests to force more women into a bureaucratic meat grinder. Feminism needs to be retaken in the way that Christopher Lasch describes, and it needs to build it self upon the principles of unity and respect between the sexes and upon tackling the problem of sex being seen as the ultimate goal in a relationship between man and woman.

It seems like a pipe-dream like you say, but the results of such a movement could end up being close to a utopia.

[Anonymous No.14107709]

>>14102168
the bible, perhaps
some conservative/right wing literature

[Anonymous No.14107711]

Women are put on this world to tempt man, nothing else.

[Anonymous No.14107800]

>>14105806
>>14105823
Basiert X2

Hating women is the sign of a weak and pathetic mind. Hating mankind, now that's something.

[Anonymous No.14107846]

>>14107694
>What do we even do about it though?
be good examples of what the utopia would look like and influence.

>It seems like a pipe-dream like you say, but the results of such a movement could end up being close to a utopia.
only reason i say this because in rural america and even in work life. its pretty nasty out there. had a co-worker during lunch break say if his wife cheated on him he would shoot her and he's my fucking manager.
> Protecting our female friends from shitty guys and telling them that they deserve better seems like an obvious choice,
i always encourage my female friends and also be real with them if they do something bad.
Lots of relationships just plain suck because both parties dont have a strong connection beyond for sex and financial gains

[Anonymous No.14107858]

>>14102168
the only thing women are good for are pumping out children
yes I've had sex

[Anonymous No.14107865]

>>14102168
zoology and biology books
>muh mom was truly evil
small percentages like almost everything or she didnt enjoy life anon

[Anonymous No.14107960]

>>14107858
Have love

[Anonymous No.14108264]

>>14107494
>If men actually became men rather than manchildren

What's your definition of a man? Because if it's the old stoic, robotic guy who works for corp he hates to provide for a cunt you can fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.14108275]

>>14102168
"Diary of an Oxygen Theif" by /ourguy/

[Anonymous No.14108323]

>>14108264
Someone who has cultivated inner strength and uses that strength to defend his community, his friends and his lovers. Moreover, it's someone who isn't a slave to sexual impulses and as a result values a good woman as a comrade before valuing them as a mere sex object.

What makes men manchildren is their failure to develop ideals and to only interact with women for the purposes of sex, suggesting an unhealthy dependency on said sex.

[Anonymous No.14108331]

>>14108323
Ok, I have no issues with what you said.

Just usually it's "He's a manchild because he doesn't throw himself mindlessly in to professional development"

[Anonymous No.14108459]

>>14108331
The term "manchild" gets thrown around inaccurately a lot yes, but as >>14107846 pointed out, even being a manager doesn't exempt you from acting like a petulant child.

When I say I'm a feminist, my brand of feminism is very simply "men and women should look out for each other and masculine ideas of sexual conquests and an obsession with pursuing the image of masculinity are obstacles to this goal". It's a social system that ends the war of the sexes by creating a system where the sexes support each other and find common ground to achieve great things together.

[Anonymous No.14108491]

>>14103871
Roasties BTFO

[Anonymous No.14108662]

>>14107400
>I've never actually seen another guy point out how so many men are blatantly thirsty af
Isn't the pointing out and mocking of thirsty whiteknights and pathetic "friendzoned" men a huge part of internet culture? I'm kind of confused as to what you mean here, nobody has any respect for those sorts of men (as nobody should)