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Who did metaphysics the best /lit/?

>> No.14063529

>Wittgenstein and Heidegger
>Metaphysics

>> No.14063543

>>14063518
Schopenhauer

>> No.14063555

>>14063518
>Badiou
>Kant
>Derrida
>Deleuze

>metaphysics

>> No.14063560

Shankara

>> No.14063566

>>14063555
Deleuze did metaphysics

>> No.14063570

>>14063566
Kant too

>> No.14063625

Only three of those are metaphysics in the conventional sense (Whitehead, Hegel, Badiou), and Badiou is a fucking joke. The rest are all parasitic on Kant, who is emphatic that metaphysics in the proper sense cannot be done. Difference & Repetition, like all of Deleuze's work, is a constitutive phenomenology, meaning it's a transcendental phenomenology in the Husserlian and Kantian tradition although Deleuze mostly picked these things up second-hand and osmotically. Heidegger is firmly transcendental, and even if you somehow disagree with this he's still basically unconcerned with metaphysics. Derrida is parasitic directly on Heidegger and in fact goes even farther than him in demanding that we not even give a philosophical-anthropological account of Dasein (which is the transcendental subject). Wittgenstein is best read as Kantian, and again, even if you disagree with this, he's still best understood as essentially unconcerned with metaphysics.

Whitehead is interesting but contentious. If you actually want to learn about Whitehead instead of posting "i'm a whiteheadian buddhist ama" on /r/4chan/lit for the sixth time this week, go read Auxier and Herstein's book.

Hegel is interesting because he tries to do philosophy that is both transcendental and metaphysical. The whole tradition of post-Kantian absolute idealism is very interesting. If you actually want to learn about this, go read Beiser's books on German idealism, including his book on Hegel, or read Charles Taylor's book on Hegel if you want a single starting point.

>> No.14063650

>>14063625
Why does metaphysics matter if I may ask?

>> No.14063656

>>14063625
Where to start with Hegel and Whitehead?

>> No.14064064

Bump

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>>14063518
Schmegmal

>> No.14064121

>>14063555
what a wasted trips

>> No.14064128

>>14063625
Whitehead has nothing to do with Buddhism though

>> No.14064144

>>14063529
>>14063555
all are metaphysicians

>> No.14064167

Whitehead>Kant>Deleuze>Hegel>who cares about the rest

>> No.14064254

All of them were BTFO'd by Guenon and Evola

>> No.14064260

>>14063518
Leibniz

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>>14064254
this but unironically

>> No.14064283

>>14064269
>>>14064254
>this but ironically

>> No.14064287

>>14064254
this but retroactively

>> No.14064304

everyone in this thread is a hack, especially >>14063625, but at least we can all agree that ontology is not set theory.

>> No.14064306

>>14063518
Why the fuck would you post this thread, who the fuck has read all those books here

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>>14064306
It's just an elaborate attempt to shill whitehead, its the same guy who makes 15+ whitehead related threads every day, I feel bad for the people who fall for the mistake of effort-posting in these threads

>> No.14064342

>>14063555
Kant and Deleuze count for sure; haven't read Baidou yet and don't give a fuck about Derrida

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>>14063518
Jordan B. Peterson

>> No.14064354

>>14063518
None of these expressed a single metaphysical truth.

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14064361

This guy.

>> No.14064381

>>14064354

the transcendental aesthetic and the chapters on the form of inner sense may literally be the most important philosophical treatises of all time

>> No.14064428

>>14064381
>In the universal stillness of nature and the calmness of the senses the immortal spirit’s hidden faculty of cognition speaks an ineffable language and provides undeveloped concepts that can certainly be felt but not described.
he was close here

>> No.14064436

>>14063518
Heideggers project, inspired by Hegel, which Derrida thoroughly completes, was the deconstruction of western metaphysics

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Unrelated, not worth starting a fhread over.
Whats the translation of this like? Accurate?

>> No.14064495

>>14063518
why do people seemingly interested in metaphysics always forget neoplatonists?

>> No.14064541

>>14064128
He's talking about the girardfag cosmotaoist twitter retards who are trying to make whitehead-fetch happen by tying it to eastern philosophy and spamming their shit every day

>> No.14064548

>>14064144
Categorically incorrect

>> No.14064552

>>14064080
>inb4 Holderlin was a better philosopher and he wrote fucking poetry

>> No.14064614

>>14063518
Not Derrida because that guy was doing meta-metaphysics. Seriously though, Derrida blows them all out of the water.

>> No.14064633

>>14064455
Nobody reads this shit. Just keeping it real with ya.

>> No.14064641

>>14063518
Non of these did metaphysics

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http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/10.2307%2F20129174

>> No.14064651

John Donne lol

>> No.14064723

>>14064614
What have you learned from reading him

>> No.14064961

>>14064346
a part of me hopes, knows even, that the possibility that the poster of this is being unironic.

peterson shills are among the worst people, maybe ever.

>> No.14065044

>>14063625
>Badiou is a fucking joke
You just haven't read Badiou, have you?

>> No.14065120

>>14063518
>no Schelling
why so much hate on my boy?

>> No.14065124

Maximus the confessor

>> No.14065166

>>14063529
Begone Anglo

>>14064455
Accurate as it can be. Apparently the original is dense, strange, and difficult to work with as a translator, but it will get you by.

>>14064614
This can be applied to like half that list, Derrida is not unique in doing meta-metaphysics.

>> No.14065611

>>14064541
but no one here is tying him to eastern philosophy

>> No.14065618

>>14064495
because neoplatonism suuuuucks and is boooooring

>> No.14065665

>>14064269
What a ridiculous sophism

>> No.14065700

>>14065665
prove him wrong
>pro-tip: you cant

>> No.14065719

Aristotle, you charlatan. :3

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>>14065700

>> No.14065773

>>14063518
None of them. Proclus and Damascius.

>> No.14065784

>>14065773
Proclus, admittedly, was a very cool read (I assume you must be referring to, at least in part, The Elements of Theology).

But Aristotle's system seemed to be more perfected: like crafted from long pensive dialogues over time. It was circular and self-contained, and could be looked at from the two different directions depending on perspective (from a genus to number or from number to genus). :3

>> No.14066254

>>14063518
>Heidegger
>Wittgenstein
>Derrida

>metaphysics

>> No.14066262

>>14066254
Yup they all did metaphysics. There is no escaping metaphysics.

>> No.14066279

METAPHYSICS CAN'T BE SYSTEMATIZED NOR BE GROUNDED ON REASON YOU IDIOTS

>> No.14066285

>Whitehead
>Deleuze
>Badiou
>Derrida
irrelevant nobodies

>Heidegger
>Wittgenstein
>Hegel
>Kant
actual philosophers

>> No.14066320

>>14063518
Nietzsche. He fucked it in the ass like an alpha.

>> No.14066325

>>14066285
Everyone has moved away from those guys.

>> No.14066330

>>14066285
>Wittgenstein
>actual philosopher
Nah, his therapeutic quietist deflationist shit is garbage actually. But you know how it is with /lit/ and the edge factor. /lit/ values diss track philosophers the most.

>> No.14066338

>>14063518
David Armstrong and David Lewis.

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14066982

Just wanted to drop in and say pic related is good.

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>>14063529
OF COURSE HEIDEGGER WAS METAPHYSICS IS THIS BAIT

>> No.14067314

>>14066330
>uhhmm?... Actually? Wittgenstein was like... shitty and bad?
save it for twitter you dogbrain

>> No.14067331

>>14063625
>Heidegger is firmly transcendental

Why do you say things you don't know. He was an existentialist. Read Evola.

>> No.14067338

>>14064723
this