[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/lit/ - Literature

View post   
File: 112 KB, 1195x810, peepeepoomer.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030141 No.14030141 [Reply] [Original]

Has a single philosopher ever given a good reason to not commit suicide?

>> No.14030143

>>14030141
yes.

>> No.14030144

>>14030141
based

>> No.14030162

>>14030141
Yes, see "On Suicide" by Hume

>> No.14030163

>>14030143
Then what is it?

>> No.14030268

>>14030141
Because it's a mortal sin and you'll go to Hell.

>> No.14030286

>>14030163
you can go this route >>14030163 or read Schopenhauer.

>> No.14030293
File: 102 KB, 500x500, bernhard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030293

Literally nothing wrong with suicide. Suicide is based.

>> No.14030309

>>14030268
Provide bible citation for that.

>> No.14030318
File: 52 KB, 680x457, Camus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030318

>> No.14030319

>>14030309
“This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live” (Deuteronomy 30:19).
“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20).

>> No.14030323

>>14030319
I guess Solomon is in hell then? Oh no, wait, the Bible says he’s in heaven. It’s almost like those verses have nothing to do with suicide.

>> No.14030338

>>14030309
I'm a Catholic I don't need to read the Bible my priest does that for me.

>> No.14030340
File: 285 KB, 889x1126, 1548766178685.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030340

>>14030338
based and godpilled

>> No.14030375
File: 63 KB, 877x759, 8D114158-C290-4793-9112-FD88AD4C0F79.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030375

>>14030319
>you are not your own
>you are bought
Boy don’t I know it

>> No.14030616

>>14030338
unironically what cathoshits think

>> No.14030708

>>14030319
Not convinced.

>> No.14030751
File: 2.70 MB, 952x720, lain.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14030751

>>14030319
>you were bought at a price
I would like to return it.

>> No.14030760

>>14030141
Try Camus

>> No.14030777

>>14030141
sanctity of life
if we drop it we drop the fabric of society

>> No.14031114

>>14030141
Yes, me. Don't do it because it'd make your mom unbearably sad.

>> No.14031124

>>14031114
based and familypilled

>> No.14031217

>>14030141
Do you want to commit suicide?
Are you really sure you want to commit suicide?
Think it over for a year and if you still do then do.
But if you don't really want to commit suicide don't.

>> No.14031225

>>14030141
Cioran resonated with me

>> No.14031250

>>14031225
>faggot who was to much of a pussy to actually kill himself
based mainländer is where its at

>> No.14031274

>>14031250
I was just answering OP's question, Mainlander is obviously the based choice
>hangs himself using his own manuscripts
Probably the most /lit/ suicide

>> No.14031340

You don't need a reason to not commit suicide. Not committing suicide is something that just happens automatically. You're going to spend the rest of your life not committing suicide without even having to try, most likely.

What you really need is a reason TO commit suicide.

I find philosophers often get their questions ass backwards in the above manner, and it leads to lots of pointless grandstanding about irrelevant bullshit. Who cares how shit life is? It's going to keep happening to you regardless.

>"well then i should kill myself because life sucks"
Okay. Off you go.

Oh look. You're still here. Guess you didn't really believe that after all.

Hence my point: you're not asking this question because you want an answer, you're asking it because you want attention - this isn't a question, it's an implicit threat attempting to hold me emotionally hostage. Like most philosophy it's just narcissism.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you do kill yourself. I can hope.

>> No.14031483

>>14030338
I was at a catholic wedding I wanted to find a verse from Luke that I thought would be poignant but there were no bibles in the pews WTF?

>> No.14031574

>>14030141
most tried

>> No.14031728

>>14031114
So just wait for mom to die and then kms?

>> No.14031810

>>14031728
No, it would also make your mom's ghost very sad

>> No.14032062

>>14030760
this, I've unironically never again had thoughts about suicide after reading him

>> No.14032136

>>14030338
God I can’t believe protestoids left the sweat gig of basically having an audiobook version of the Bible, but with centuries of interpretive and scholastic developments behind it instead of the interpretation of a dumbfuck shitfarmer next door.

>> No.14032142

>>14030141
Augustine.

>> No.14032177

>>14031340
I actually agree with this. I used to read philosophy all the time and ruminate on life's questions to the point of despair then realized all philosophy really did was make me go through a very round about way back to square one.

I was always just living my life an enjoying it and that seems to be what philosophy leads you back to no matter what, it tells you to just live and not over think life until you can't function because these questions are basically beyond our comprehension and the best thing to do is just live your life.

Its like I had to intellectualize something that used to just come naturally to me. Did help me with being more aware of myself though.

>> No.14032184

>>14031810
i don't believe in an afterlife

>> No.14032266
File: 6 KB, 224x224, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14032266

>>14030319
>See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
>In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
>But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
>I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
>I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
>That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

I realize that the primordial schism between Catholics and reading makes this reply pointless but "choosing life" in this context has little to do with suicide. The second excerpt is quite ironic since suicide is very congruent with it, almost commands it if you think about it. If "I am not my own" and my body is a loan from God, then what better way to truly immanentize it, "me not being my own", and to pay by debt than suicide?

>> No.14032270

>>14032136
>a dumbfuck shitfarmer next door.

Who still applies a modicum of Logic and stops short of worshiping Mary.

>> No.14032295
File: 160 KB, 720x700, Screenshot_2019-08-18-01-02-15-733_com.instagram.android.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
14032295

>>14030141
If you truly wanted to commit suicide you would have no problem slicing your wrists or jumping off a rooftop right now. After all you want to end this suffering as quickly as possible, right?
If you take long hours thinking about it or are always on the verge of doing it but never do, then you don't want to commit suicide, you still love your life and cling on it. What instead happens is that you love FANTASIZING an ideal form of death where all the pain stops and there is finally a bitter tranquility. But truly, you know that that's not how death is, death in reality is cold, and heavy, and disgusting, and fucking terrifying. And deep down you know that, and you know that life is better than the complete obliteration that death is and that there are chances that your life will improve. And you live everyday subconsciously hoping it might get better. If you truly had lost all hope and had legitimately no reason to live anymore, you would have pulled the trigger already.
So please, stop debating with yourself whether you want to commit suicide or not; there is nothing to debate, you obviously still have the hope and drive required to keep on living.

>> No.14032306

>>14032295
Based Orthodox bro.

>> No.14032453

>>14030141
They don't have to. The idea is ridiculous. If you were impelled to live by reason you wouldn't need philosophy because you'd know the answer already, and since philosophy is appealing to your reason, it cannot defeat the will to live that keeps you alive.

>> No.14033183

>>14032295
If someone is considering something, but does not do it instantly, that means they do not want to do it?

>> No.14033189

>>14030141
Catharsis. There's no logical reason, only emotional.

>> No.14033199

Suicide is a positive act. You can do it any time. - Paraphrased from Cioran

>> No.14034159

>>14032184
and yet the afterlife believes in you

>> No.14034240

There are two ways you could answer that question: you could say "yes," or that there is just no good reason to believe it. The only philosophical arguments against suicide are philosophical arguments because "life is valuable" and since nobody ever thought they'd have all their life's worth in this instant, it's hard to see any good reason to kill yourself.

To make your life even worse, this is the type of argument that people who don't believe in suicide would make.

There is no compelling reason to give up a life worth living. There is no compelling reason to take on the risk of making something terrible happen to yourself.

So there's no justification for anything to the extent that people have gone in and done it.

So if you are reading this, I hope that's enough for you to not commit suicide because then I have no reason to kill myself after reading this post.

>> No.14034269

>>14032266
Anon I tried to get back into Christianity, but le based catholixs scared me away because it would literally cause my family system to collapse.
You seem like you know your shit. What's the best version of the bible

>> No.14034811

>>14030141
yukio mishima, death is a beautiful thing but only if you're big and strong, otherwise it's pathetic but once you start lifting you become forever small so you'll never believe you're good enough for suicide

>> No.14035058

>>14034159

King James.

>> No.14036365

>>14030141
The only people who ever though killing yourself was a bad idea are cowards and cowardly christcucks

>> No.14036375

>>14030760
>>14032062
Camus is a Christian in Rationalist clothing

>> No.14036403

>>14036375
Hell no he criticizes religion as an unhealthy way to cope with existence. Just look at his book the stranger it criticizes especially Christianity on a meta level

>> No.14036416

>>14030141

This is not your first reincarnation, nor your last.
If you were to kill yourself you would simply return to life with the added baggage of a life hardship not surpassed. The experience that you accumulate now will be instinct to you in the next life.

You're still free to end your life, and do the same in the next one. However others will continue on with their life and learn valuable lessons, while you would be left behind.