/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14024049]

Why doesn't the modern world place any value in poetry anymore?

[Anonymous No.14024050]

>>14024049
Poetry has became just shit that women post on social media with their pumpkin spice lattes

[Anonymous No.14024055]

BEcause men were always bad but now we have a mass tecnhology filter to make that the domina nt worldview instead of the dominant ideology being the filter of culture [minority/upperclass technology]
Basically the populist potential [fascism, communism, liberalism, etc] of history has become the ruling ideology instead of tyrannical/chauvinist virtue [Philip/Alexander, Caesar, Napoleon.etc]

[Anonymous No.14024057]

it's been subsumed as an artform by lyrical music. there is nothing a poem can do or say that a song can't do or say better

[Anonymous No.14024063]

I thought about this recently and my theory is that it was largely supplanted by musical recordings. The negative impact that the internet and smart phones have had on people's use of language could also be playing a factor.

That said there are still contemporary cultures that are more appreciative of poetry, especially in the middle east for example.

[Anonymous No.14024102]

You wouldn't be asking this if you read even a quarter of that dreadful magazine.

Some good poets still alive: Douglas Dunn, Sean O'Brien, Clive james. Until recently we had Les Murray and Richard Wilbur. Some people really like Dana Gioia and Simon Armitage. But give it 10 years and theyll all be dead.

[Anonymous No.14024107]

>>14024057
Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.14024130]

>>14024107
playwright.Not a poet.

Also, all the sonnets have already been set to music.

[Anonymous No.14024212]

>>14024049
What the hell is "peroty" and what does it have to do with literature?

[Anonymous No.14024228]

>>14024049
I read this as peroty

[Anonymous No.14024315]

>PEROTY

[Anonymous No.14024320]

>>14024315
>I am a huge Orson Welles
Damn I miss this meme.

[Anonymous No.14024477]

>>14024049
Because financial capitalism does it better than poetry does.

[Anonymous No.14024603]

They do, it's just your poetry sucks

[Anonymous No.14024623]

pure peroty

[Anonymous No.14024679]

>>14024049
Because between the second half of the 18th century, and the first half of the 19th, poetry went from having many different genres, all written according to traditional metric rules... to just being a way for poets to talk about their feelings, using free verses that are basically indistinguishable from prose.

Part of it is the poets' own fault, because they embraced romanticism and gradually rejected classicism, but it was also the spirit of the times. Add to this the diminishing of Western education: the first few generations of poets to reject the traditional standards still knew the classics, and this knowledge shines through in their works, experimental as they were. Modern poets however, didn't receive a proper classical education, and have no appreciation whatsover for those who came before them.

>>14024057
There's some truth to this, but it's only because, after romanticism, lyrical poetry became the only kind of poetry still being written. Before that, it wasn't even considered a main genre.

[Anonymous No.14024837]

>>14024049
Because poets today are usually more interested in talking about how much of a faggot they are instead of writing anything worth reading.

[Anonymous No.14025128]

>>14024050
This. Academia debased it by conflating lyricism with art and politics with poetry, and then it spilled into the marketplace.

[Anonymous No.14025138]

>>14024837
Ocean Vuong: the critique.

[Anonymous No.14025153]

Rupi Kaur is the top bestselling book in the country where I live.

Maybe if something gets famous and start to get highly publicized people will consume it. Maybe what poetry lacks today is a great dose of good advertisement.

[Anonymous No.14025253]

>>14024049
They rightfully shouldn't. Poetry is a husk of its former self. The entire sphere is controlled by people who have never experienced any real struggle in their lives, and it shows. All their poems are gross, decadent, and fail miserably at tapping into the soul of the human condition. I love making poetry, so wrote a little shitposty sonnet about this problem.

Posterity, shall I be looked on kind?
Can my shitposts compare to arts of yore?
What use is poetry when you could find,
That poets of today jerk off to vore?
I find the art abandoned and betrayed,
The rampart's guarded now by beta males.
This once great citadel down and decayed,
By cockless chodes with no wind in their sails.
But I won't stand to see this beauty die,
Of sonnets sweet now sour from the onions.
So here my shitpost stands, my goal to try,
To build back up, what 'men' today destroy.
Now I am called, to shitpost here and now,
The death of poetry I disavow!

[Anonymous No.14025276]

>>14024049
Because the poetry being made is crap, look at that girl, whassername, Rupee Kaur or Kapoor or whatever. Just crap, so bad I cannot even remember the chick's name.

[Anonymous No.14025318]

Because nowadays you can just write prose with shitty formatting and call it poetry.

[Anonymous No.14025324]

Here is a good pome.
LOL

[Anonymous No.14025368]

>>14024057

You obviously don’t read enough poetry then. I stopped making music and switched to poetry specifically because you can do things that you can’t in a song. Certain concepts and registers are only appropriate in poetry.

>>14024679

Again, you don’t read enough. Louise Glück, Andrew Joron, and Yusuf Kamanyaaka are three vastly different contemporary poets who are each doing something enticing in poetry today. Literally just read more before making these half assed takes. Ironically, there’s probably more variety in poetry today than there ever was, it’s ridiculous that you’d even try to use the 18th and 19th centuries as examples of poetic form being at its peak diversity when poetry didn’t even start changing significantly in English till Whitman. The fact that Eliot, Williams, Hughes, and Mina Loy existed in the same era tell you that poetry has only been getting more and more versatile over the years.

>>14024049

What’s the modern world? You do realize that for a very long time poetry has been exclusively read by the educated, who were a minority for most of history in the western world. Poetry definitely had more cultural significance sure, but I see a lot of people thinking that it’s gone down in popularity and artistry when neither are true. Poetry is at its most accessible and likely widest reader ship ever, it’s just that it’s the worst of what’s being made that is being read. There’s plenty of great contemporary that, as usual, is being read prImarily by intelligentsia and other literary people. If you think it was anyone but college students and academically minded people reading The Wasteland when it came out you’re deluded. Poetry has always had a small readership, and its cultural significance has been reasonably usurped by music, however, that’s not to say that the elements of poetry aren’t still as potent in ever in genres such as music and film. Look at Tarkovsky or Chris Marker for example.


Tl;dr everyone in this thread reads a very little amount of poetry and thinks they understand how the cultural landscape has changed based off of this

[Anonymous No.14025393]

>>14024057
Only shit poetry needs music.
Good poetry contains its own music - but only if you can read.

[Anonymous No.14025397]

>>14025153

[Anonymous No.14025411]

>>14025368

>poetry has always had a small readership

Untrue; before the novel, poetry was read widely, especially in Europe.

[Anonymous No.14025425]

>>14024049
It’s because the prevailing relationship to art in the West today is increasingly that of the West’s dominant mercantile class, which is to say that the modern West’s relationship to art in all its forms is patronage.

“...no picture is made to endure nor to live with, but it is made to sell and sell quickly...”

- Ezra Pound, Canto XLV

[Anonymous No.14025428]

Per oty?

[Anonymous No.14025432]

>>14024130
His plays are mostly in verse.

[Anonymous No.14025433]

>>14024057
>lyrical music
You mean vocal music? Lyrical music doesn't exist as a technical term.

>>14024679
This post has a ton of mistakes and nonsense, but first of all I have to ask - did you seriously say that free verse was developed by the first half of the 19th century?

>>14025411
>read widely
>while the vast majority of the population was illiterate

[Anonymous No.14025434]

>implying

[Anonymous No.14025444]

>>14025411
In America too, it was said at one time that every literate American had a copy of Longfellow poems.

[Anonymous No.14025449]

>>14025411
>>14025444

You realize that «every literate person» would’ve been a minority? That’s the point here.

[Anonymous No.14025457]

>>14025433
>did you seriously say that free verse was developed by the first half of the 19th century?
Have you seriously not heard of Walt Whitman?

[Anonymous No.14025459]

What's a good place to get started with poetry? Is there a "start with the greeks" -style flow chart for poetry?

[Anonymous No.14025462]

>>14025449
The majority of Americans were literate.

[Anonymous No.14025465]

>>14025457
The guy who published a collection of free verse poetry in the second half of the 19th century and whose practice remained a rarity for the following 50 years? Of course I know him.

[Anonymous No.14025473]

>>14024049
what do you mean? capital values anything that can make money, which happens to be poetry. you just have to market it differently now. if you'd like to claim poetry is less popular than it once was, then i'd have to see some sources for that. even so, i doubt poetry had widespread appeal in the first place.

[Anonymous No.14025514]

>>14025459

I’ve made a small list of accessible English language poets by century
My poetry recs

15th century: Chaucer, Gawain Poet
16th: Shakespeare, Edmund Spenser
17th: John Milton, John Donne
18th: Alexander Pope, William Cowper,
19th(Romantics): Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, William Blake
19th(Victorian): Alfred Tennyson, Robert Browning,
19th(American): Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Ralph Waldo Emerson
20th(early): W. B Yeats, T.E Hulme, H.D, William Carlos Williams, Langston Hughes
20th(mid): Frank O’Hara, Alan Ginsberg, Anne Sexton, Gwendolyn Brooks
21st Century: Louise Glück, Yusuf Kamanyaaka,

[Anonymous No.14025540]

>>14024049
>write a piece and call it a short story
>everyone laughs and says its shit
>call it a poem
>"brilliant" "tour de force" "you have a clear gift"

[Anonymous No.14025561]

>>14025465
The seeds of leaves of grass were in planted in his mind before its publication :3

[Anonymous No.14025610]

>>14025561
I planted my seed in your mom last night fuckhead

[Anonymous No.14025640]

>>14025444
Checked
>>14025514
Thanks m8. Are there any books on poetry you would recommend (I'm only familiar with Aristotle's Poetics)?

[Anonymous No.14025662]

Whenever I read poetry I just find it to be underwhelming. A couple of pompous verses describing someone’s beauty or something like that doesn’t do anything for me. In prose works, plays written in verse, or even epic poems there’s a story there for you to latch onto and become involved with the characters, admire the aesthetic beauty of the language, and feel a connection to whatever idea the author is expressing. Poetry however lacks all of that. I can’t imagine myself becoming emotional or pensive reading Tyger Tyger or something like that.
In short, I have yet to find a poem that is authentic, meaningful, impactful, and impressive.

[Anonymous No.14025680]

>>14025540
It's all about context and perspective, ya goon!

[Anonymous No.14025682]

>>14025662
What are your thoughts on painting or sculpture?

[Anonymous No.14025694]

>>14024049
Poetry exists to be used in bank and other adverts, didn't you know?

[Anonymous No.14025809]

>>14025662
>latch onto and become involved with the characters, admire the aesthetic beauty of the language, and feel a connection to whatever idea the author is expressing. Poetry however lacks all of that.
But lyric poetry absolutely does focus on the beauty of the language and contains various interesting ideas, no less than narrative texts. Your inability to recognise them is not a sign of their nonexistence.

[Anonymous No.14025875]

>>14025640

Poetic Meter & Form by Paul Fussel is generally lit-approved. Rhymes Reason by John Hollander is also worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.14025960]

>>14025153
>Maybe what poetry lacks today is a great dose of good advertisement.

this

Good ad and media coverage can make anything hot, popular and desirable.

[Anonymous No.14026159]

>>14024130
>playwright.Not a poet.
Based retard

[Anonymous No.14027100]

>>14025253
Underrated

[Anonymous No.14027124]

Check out the MODPO channel they have good poets occasionally.

Elizabeth Willis

[Anonymous No.14027136]

>>14025153
I have seen more poetry lately.. Ours Poética on yt, plus a hand full of blogs

[Anonymous No.14027168]

>Ignoring that popular music is all poetry

[Anonymous No.14028574]

>>14025253
>>14028422
I wrote that tonight

[Anonymous No.14028583]

>>14024049
We have science now. No need for empty emotionalism.