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>lowest iq philosophy
>highest iq philosophy

>> No.14019774

>>14019765
Lowest IQ: Scholastics
Highest IQ: Guenon, French post-structuralism, Cooming to porn

>> No.14019782

>>14019765
being honest here
>highest iq
Some autistic analytic shit you have to know a bunch of math and science to understand
>lowest iq
stoicism

>> No.14019785

>>14019765
lowest IQ: utilitarianism

>> No.14019798 [DELETED] 

>lowest
Platonism, Neoplatonism, anything to do with the Abrahamic religions, nrx, accelerationism, Locke, traditionalism, Kantian ethics
>highest
Whitehead, Marx, Nietzsche, Kantian aesthetics, pragmatism, Deleuze

>> No.14019805

High iq: Cartesianism

Low iq: Everything else.

>> No.14019807

>>14019765
>Lowest
Objectivism

>Highest
Transcendental Idealism

>> No.14019811

>lowest
Platonism, Neoplatonism, Cartesianism, anything to do with the Abrahamic religions, nrx, accelerationism, Locke, traditionalism, Kantian ethics
>highest
Whitehead, Marx, Nietzsche, Kantian aesthetics, pragmatism, Deleuze

>> No.14019813

>>14019798
>muh biases: the post
You didnt even try to think about what the likely average IQs of these demos are did you

>> No.14019817

>>14019785
Only real answer

>> No.14019821

>>14019811
Good joke.

>> No.14019863

Here's the IQ list for Jewish philosophy (english translated works)
Highest IQ tier: Talmudic philosophy. (Gemara and mishnah)
Supplementary IQ tier: Rashi torah analysis.
Lowest IQ tier: Christian translated torah. Kabbalah.

>> No.14019871

>>14019765
>lowest iq
stoicism
>highest iq
transcendental idealism

>> No.14019878

>>14019813
>DURRR UR BEING BIASED
what do you expect from this meme thread?
>>14019821
Not a joke. I am right and you have nI discernible talent. Don't even bother replying to me brainlet.

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>>14019765
>lowest iq philosophy
Postmodern neomarxism
>highest iq philosophy
Trumpian-Shaprioian-Petersonian Third Positionism

>> No.14019888

>>14019765
>Lowest
Stoicism
>Highest
Hasn't been discovered yet

>> No.14019892

>>14019765
All frogposters should fucking hang

>> No.14019924

>>14019765
>lowest iq
utilitarianism, optimistic nihilism faggotry, stoicism, materialism, naturalism, marxism, traditionalism, scientism
>highest iq
Deontological ethics, French post-structuralism, postmodern theology, pessimism, phenomenology, German idealism

>> No.14019937

>>14019924
what the fuck is postmodern theology

>> No.14019946

>>14019937
Ignore him, it's just a retard

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>>14019937
Using deconstruction and truth relativism to aid Christian theology.

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>>14019785
>the model limited in comprehensiveness only by the amount of variables one can process is the lowest IQ

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>>14019976

>> No.14019989

>>14019937
>God works in mysterious ways : the philosophy
It's a fringe revival of Christian theology based on the works of Heidegger and Derrida, very obscure movement that hasn't gained track since no one understands heidegger and derrida to begin with

>> No.14019991

>lowest iq
materialism, behaviorism
>highest iq
christian existentialism

>> No.14019995

>>14019765
>your philosophy
>my philosophy

>> No.14019997

>>14019924
>Deontological ethics
>postmodern theology
You're probably one of those smug faggots who voice their opinions as facts

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>>14019765

>> No.14020006

>lowest iq
philosophy in general
>highest iq
mathematics

>> No.14020015

>>14019983
Strawman. Complete absence of suffering is not the goal. The goal is the survival and health of a moral collective, which naturally entails some suffering.

>> No.14020036

In terms of fields it is thus
>lowest iq philosophy
ethics
>highest iq philosophy
logic

>> No.14020047

In terms of fields it is thus
>lowest iq philosophy
logic
>highest iq philosophy
aesthetics

>> No.14020051

>>14020047
t. communist

>> No.14020062

>>14019765
>Highest IQ: Traditionalism, Neoplatonism, Advaita Vedanta, Taoism, Sufi metaphysics, Leibniz, Parmenides, Schopenhauer, Third Positionism, Simone Weil, Hermeticism, Shentong Buddhism, Klages, right-wing readings of Debord, Foucault and Baudrillard

Lowest IQ: process philosophy, Deleuze, Bergson, Whitehead, Marxism, Pragmatism, Kantianism, Hegelianism, Existentialism, dualism, Freudianism, Critical Theory, Deconstructionism, Cartesianism, the school of resentment, utilitarianism, accelerationism, Nietzsche, new atheism

>> No.14020071

>>14020062
>right-wing reading of Debord
no such thing

>> No.14020089

>>14020071
debord as a white male who erases the lived experiences of WoC by mansplaining oppression with elitist cryptofascist readings of Marxism that deny the revolutionary potential and cultural-artistic triumphs of Beyonce is highly problematic sweatie

>> No.14020147

>>14019765
Lowest: Marxism
Highest: Marxism

>> No.14020156

>>14020089
this sounds more like an "anti-sjw liberalism reading of debord" than a right-wing one, many pessimist marxists grew out of revolutionary politics

>> No.14020166

>>14019765
Lowest IQ: Scholasticism
Highest IQ: Pragmatism

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14020167

Highest IQ: Platonism, Alfarabism, Straussianism

Lowest IQ: Existentialism, Historicism, Heideggerianism,

>> No.14020169

>>14020156
i was just shitposting, i know he was a leftist

>> No.14020191

>>14019765
>lowest iq philosophy
Materialism // Christianity
>highest iq philosophy
Advaita Idealism

>> No.14020202

>>14020167
>Heideggerianism
Why?

>> No.14020211

>>14019765
Christianity is both

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>>14019765
>lowest IQ
postmodernity, poststructuralism
highest IQ
Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan

>> No.14020261

So most of the answers given so far regard utiliarianism and stoicism as lowest iq

Why is it so? Is being rational a mere cope for midwits?

>> No.14020301

>>14019765
>Kant's autism
>PoMo relativism

>> No.14020305

>>14020261
stoicism because it promotes a passive existence
utilitarianism because it's by far the most reductive view of ethics there is

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>>14020211
Based

>> No.14020321

>>14020202
What does Heidegger say? The historical moment (the language, the societal conventions, etc.) draws the horizons for the thinker and no thinker can escape the arbitrary qualities of his being. But if that is true absolutely, then it is true for Heidegger, and when the historical moment changes, his insight into the truth of thinking will not be valid, and therefore men like Plato or Descartes or Kant might have liberated their minds from their conditions and philosophized absolutely and therefore we must take the philosophers seriously, as if Aristotle's Ethics might be the true ethics valid for everyone at all times or Aquinas theology the true theology of understanding God or Machiavelli's politics as the true politics valid universally. But if it isn't true for Heidegger that means Heidegger was able to escape his historical conditions and philosophize absolutely, but if Heidegger was able to philosophize then so might have Plato, Descartes, Hegel etc. That also means we have to take philosophers seriously.

There is no such thing as coherent Heideggerianism. The only way to be a historicist is to be a Hegelian, which is to declare that history and philosophy is already over and it culminated in the production of Hegel, the first and the only man to ever become completely wise.

>> No.14020323

>>14019765
>any
>realizing letting other retards pollute your inner knowledge and instincts is detrimental

You knew everything you will ever need to know the moment you were born. Knowledge is passed down from generation to generation through genes.

https://college.unc.edu/2012/04/liebgenes/

>> No.14020324

>>14020261
>Why is it so? Is being rational a mere cope for midwits?
only mitwits think man is as rational as utiliarianism demands us to be. there is no way for us to measure the amount of pain and pleasure exactly, let alone measure it in the minds of others. Beside that you can't predict future consequences of your actions. Even if you disregard it's ethical flaws it brings along quite a lot of practical objections as well

>> No.14020330

>>14020323
This post is problematic in a very ironic way

>> No.14020336

>>14019989
Postmodern theology encompasses everything from Weak Theology to Radical Orthodoxy. It's hardly 'fringe'.

>> No.14020377

>>14019976
that's why it's low IQ
the variables are infinite
and nothing infinite can be applied

>> No.14020392

>>14019811
Based

>> No.14020409

>>14020336
you say that as if both topics are a giant field of study with hundreds of published works in them.
postmodern theology is even more obscure of a movement than fucking accelerationism.
How many people do you think know who John Caputo is?

>> No.14020476

>>14019765
>Lowest:
Western budhism. Machiavellianism. Simulation theory. Stoicism.
>Highest
Marxism. Priori Math.

>> No.14020493

>>14019811
This, but unironically (and move Marx and Kant to lowest).

>> No.14020718
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>>14020377
>variables are infinite
Citation needed.
They're not all going to have equal impact either.

Also:
>doesn't know about heuristics

>> No.14021905

>>14019765
>lowest iq
things I disagree with
>highest iq
deconstructionism

>> No.14022245

>>14020015
Why is that the goal?

>> No.14022284

>>14019785
only sincere answer

>> No.14022347

>>14019765
Highest IQ: believing in IQ narrative's potential
Lowest IQ: not believing in the descriptivity powers of the IQ narrative

>> No.14022389

>>14020261
Utiliarianism is actually the best, since it basically is just the combination of egoism and altruism. People only criticize it because people naively try to 'measure' the best outcomes with austistic math, and when that obviously doesn't work people use that as a mark against the whole idea, even though altruism is no different, in that the level of wellbeing of others ought to matter and be weighed heavily either way.

In any case, wellbeing, in all the highest senses you can think of, is clearly what matters, and things like virtue are good insofar as they are good means of preserving states of reality that enable the greatest forms of wellbeing.

>> No.14023089

>>14022245
Because that is the nature of morality. It is the formalization of behaviours which only exist because they've conferred some survival/flourishing advantage to collectives of social animals.

>> No.14023720

>>14022389
how exactly do you define wellbeing

>> No.14023721

>>14019774
>Cooming to porn
cumbrain

>> No.14023722

>>14019765
Lowest IQ: utilitarianism
***power gap***
Midwit IQ; sincere existentialism
Midwit + epsilon IQ: begrudging existentialism
Highest IQ: I'm not sure yet, I'm only this far^

>> No.14023724

>>14019782
>>highest iq
>Some autistic analytic shit you have to know a bunch of math and science to understand
That is going to be a big yikes from me

>> No.14023725

>>14019924
Based

>> No.14023734

>>14023720
I don't. I'm not arrogant enough to attempt such a thing. I can only ask people to try to judge this for themselves, in the style of Iris Murdoch.

>> No.14023750

>>14023734
what if each individual's conception of wellbeing differs from others, or in many cases, happens to clash with the other's wellbeing

>> No.14023783

>>14019765
Lowest IQ: Metaphysical Realism, Dualism
Middle IQ: Metaphysical Anti-Realism/Deflationism, Materialism
Highest IQ: Metaphysical Realism, Dualism

That's right, the highest IQ positions are also the lowest IQ positions. How so? Well they're what the most ordinary and uncritical people think, but also what people who get over shittily executed criticism come to realize is true after all.

>> No.14023791

>>14023750
Then that is what it is. I'm not claiming anything like an objective account of morality, whatever that would mean, it it made sense at all, just that following abstract moral principles is not a good in itself comparable to the effect do this has on living beings. There is nothing naive about utilitarianism when you see how encompassing it is and how other attempts at systematizing morality sidestep the fundamental problems it deals with.

>> No.14023816

>>14023783
>That's right, the highest IQ positions are also the lowest IQ positions. How so? Well they're what the most ordinary and uncritical people think, but also what people who get over shittily executed criticism come to realize is true after all.
This could probably be applied to every position there is

>> No.14023833

>>14019765
>lowest iq philosophy
the one you like
>highest iq philosophy
the one i like

>> No.14023844

>>14019811
We get it, you hate yourself and religion.

>> No.14023852

Lowest iq: pessimistic nihilism

Highest iq: mathematical philosophy

Not necessarily the wisest philosophy, just the one that legitimately requires a higher iq for the problem solving/pattern recognition.

>> No.14023865

>lowest IQ
relativism
>highest IQ
relativism

Come at me faggots.

>> No.14023932

>>14020261
The one who hate stoicism is just samefagging.

>> No.14023938

>>14019765
>lowest iq philosophy
Platonism
>highest iq philosophy
Platonism

>> No.14023941

>>14019983
That's negative utilitarianism, which is admittedly retarded. There's nothing wrong with utilitarianism itself, though.

>> No.14023953

>>14020006
All other answers ITT can be reduced to this.

>> No.14023954

>>14019983
This is by far the most cumbrainlet "critique" of utilitarianism possible.

>> No.14023956

>>14020167
>>14020321
>Imagine misunderstanding Heidegger and coping this hard

>> No.14024126

>>14023724
Cope

>> No.14024231

>>14019807
acceptable

>> No.14024259

>>14023721
Yes. Cooming is good.

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>>14023956
>When your favourite sophist gets BTFO so hard by a guy who read Leo Strauss for 10 minutes in a low effort post that you can't make any reply other than "cope!!"

All Heideggercels will be shot on sight

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>>14022389

>> No.14024566

>>14019765
Lowest: stoicism

Highedt: marxism

>> No.14024572

>>14024566
Based

>> No.14024981

>>14024259
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wdRQW8WmVI

>> No.14026424

>>14019807
yeah something like this

>> No.14026431

>>14020261
We're fans of Nietzsche here, and Nietzsche's the most famous irrationalist.

>> No.14026455

>>14020006
>lowest iq
philosophy or mathemathics
>highest iq
philosophy and mathemathics

>> No.14026459

>>14024981
literally me

>> No.14026482

>>14020211
>>14020311
the only reason someone would say this is because they were raised christian and dont want to change their mind, but still want to feel superior to other people

>> No.14026526

>>14019765
>lowest iq
Accelerationism
>higher iq
Traditionalism

>> No.14026630

>>14023865
Lol

>> No.14027313

>>14019765
>lowest iq
Seneca. Just Seneca
>highest iq
idk I kinda like Wittgenstein and Nietzche

>> No.14027420

>>14023089
Any reason you can give that isn’t intrinsically tied to the ego and eros of existence?

>> No.14027462

>>14019774
>Guenon
t. teenager.

>> No.14027471

>>14019924
>>highest iq
>>pessimism

>> No.14027480

>>14019924
Positive nichilism is pretty good imho, together with marxism

>> No.14027522

>low iq
Idealism, postmodernism, traditionalism

>high iq
Rationalism, existentialism

>> No.14027537 [DELETED] 

Lets Raid NextGen720, We should do donation trolls, Spam his chat room etc.
https://www.twitch.tv/nxtgen720

>> No.14027739

>>14027420
Does life and our natures (from which morality is derived) need a reason or justification?

>> No.14027774

>>14027462
t. seething Whiteheadfag

>> No.14028154

>>14019989
Derrida is nothing but a fraud. MF deserve to suck dick which he would probably enjoy.

>> No.14029164

>>14026431
Lol fuck Nietzsche

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>>14029164
shut up nigger

>> No.14029489

>>14019811
disgusting

>> No.14029513

>lowest iq philosophy
Atheist Guenonianism
>highest iq philosophy
Landian-Kantian Universal Darwinist Orthodox Christianity

>> No.14029520

>>14028154
anon destroys deconstruction in one post

>> No.14029527

>>14019774
cringe and kyspilled

>> No.14029583

>>14019765
>lowest
Anglo-Epicureanism
>highest
Neo-Pythagoreanism

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>>14019765
>lowest iq philosophy
Spinozism
>highest iq philosophy
Magical idealism

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>>14019765

>lowest
scientism, Hume, Calvinism, Wittgenstein, Russell, Bakunin, utilitarianism, and the crown prince: Objectivism
>highest
phenomenology, pragmatism, Hannah Arendt, existentialism, Marcus Aurelius, most idealism, and the super winner: Kaczynski

>> No.14029636

>>14019765
>>lowest iq philosophy
stocism
>>highest iq philosophy
cynicism

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>>14029632
>Hume
The only good Anglo. You've just misread him

>> No.14030104

>>14019811
>t. going to hell

>> No.14030154

>>14019765
>highest iq philosophy
Obviously language philosophy, philosophy of mathematics and analytic philosophy. The reason for this is that it requires both high verbal and numerical skills. And IQ measures mostly verbal and numerical skills.

>lowest iq philosophy
Rousseau. Rousseau was not even an academic. His philosophy is based on feelings and romanticism. That does not really require a high IQ

examples of high iq philosophers:
Leibniz, Berekley, Descartes, Pascal, Russell, Wittgenstein, etc. All these philosophers are very good in mathematics, but they also have high verbal skills.

examples of "low" iq philosophers:
First of all I would like to mention that there aren't any famous low iq philosophers. But if you list all the famous philosophers then I would say the following philosphers have a rather low iq: Rousseau, Emerson, Plotin, Locke, Hobbes, Montaigne, Machiavelli, etc. The reason is that most of these philosophers don't have high mathematical skills. They "only" have high verbal skills.

You can also check the 301 geniuses list of Cox https://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/Cox300.aspx

>> No.14030952

>>14029632
what a mess

>> No.14031520

>>14029632
Why did you put Wittgenstein and Russel down there?
And why Aurelius is where he shouldn't be?
That's confusing me

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>Lowest iq
>Highest iq
iq is pseudoscience

>> No.14032663

>>14019785
Fucking this.
>if the collective happiness of slaveholders is sufficiently greater than the collective misery of slaves then slavery is completely morally justifi-
Wait a minute it's based af I change my mind

>> No.14032669

>>14019811
The worst part is that there are people who unironically believe this to be the case.

>> No.14032859

>lowest IQ
Continuing to live
>highest IQ
Mainländer Pessimism

>> No.14032863

>>14032859
>attempt to read Mainlander expecting nihilism/pessimism
>pages and pages of autism about Kant
I was brainletfiltered

>> No.14033542

Low IQ: Humanism, Scientism, Stoicm, utilitarianism
high IQ: Occasionalism, Traditionalism and Neoplatonism

>> No.14033556

>>14026482
watch as I btfo u with this one statement
>I converted

>> No.14033795

>>14019765
Lowest IQ: Christianity
Highest IQ: Christianity

>> No.14033931

>>14026482
its because Christian faith is for everyone. Retards and Geniuses and everyone is between can go to heaven.

>> No.14034006

>>14033795
Came here to post this.

>> No.14034192

>not having a philosophy
>not having a philosophy

>> No.14034194

>>14033795
Even the highest brow Christianity still resorts to circular logic