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Why are there so many Catholics on this board? This phenomena, while a welcome one, is inexplicable to me. 4chan seems like a place that would be very far removed from Catholics and Catholic communities. If you're Catholic, how did you find this place? Did you become Catholic before or after discovering this board? How did you become Catholic?

>> No.14019753

>>14019745
I became Catholic when I was in between visiting this website - I'm here because I love literature, and I lovey fellow human beings, even in their close-mindedness. It's refreshing to see the raw humanity present on this website sometimes.

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>>1401974
>Why are there so many Catholics on this board?
It's just a handful of man boobed geeks who spend their entire day here.

>> No.14019772

>>14019756
this

>> No.14019778

You'd be surprised at how many people you think are atheists but aren't, they keep their religious beliefs to themselves, I recently discovered several extremely popular YouTubers whose channels are dedicated to science and engineering were apart of a private reformed Bible study group for famous people.

I'd wager they were already here, but didn't discuss their beliefs until Atheists on /lit/ suddenly took a interest in Catholicism and started asking questions.

>> No.14019792

I think a lot of us came here during our atheist phase. When you abandon Catholicism you are seized by full nihilism, the truest kind. This place seems proper then.

As a lot of us grew up we realised that there was truth to the Church, but at the same time we didn't leave this place.

>> No.14019795

>>14019745
>Why are there so many Catholics on this board?

Because most of channers are adolescents and they have to be the opposite of what is mainstream. It is because these young men still have not found their place in life.

>> No.14019796

>>14019778
Sounds like something a "kool" priest would make up for his Sunday sermon.

>> No.14019845

>>14019745
>4chan seems like a place that would be very far removed from Catholics and Catholic communities
I've never understood this argument, they're several Catholic priests on YouTube who are heavily connected to the "Alt-right", it isn't any different in real life either; Polish and Hungarian Catholic priests overwhelming support the ultra-nationalistic governments, Italian and Russian priests being connected with crime syndicates, etc.

>> No.14019862

>>14019745
>Why are there so many Catholics on this board?
They are cripplechan refugees.

>> No.14019884

>>14019845
>they're several Catholic priests on YouTube who are heavily connected to the "Alt-right"
only /pol/shitters and ate-ch refugees are "alt-right"

>> No.14019900

>>14019845
t. kike

>> No.14019914

>>14019884
That's the point, /lit/ isn't worse than those places so why wouldn't we also have a small congregation of Catholics, especially considering our shared interest in the humanities.

>> No.14019916

>>14019745
it's a little bit of contrarianism, a little bit of sexual frustration, and of course the fact that the average age of people on this site is around that time people get over their atheistic phase.

>> No.14019922

Catholics value reading every book except the Bible, especially in the original language. You can know your enemy but God works in mysterious ways. Native alphabets and lexicons of the age of exploration tend to be written by Jesuits, and the Catholic education system might be a rat line for paedophiles but it will make you learn dead languages and basic rhetoric to a high standard.

>> No.14019934

>>14019845
The culture of the website seems contrary to Catholicism, what with all the anime porn, dark humor, etc

>> No.14019940

>>14019934
That kind of shit is pretty common to Catholicism.

>> No.14019950
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>>14019934
Catholics aren't big into pietism.

>> No.14020014

>>14019845
>Polish and Hungarian Catholic priests overwhelming support the ultra-nationalistic governments
They preach about how abortion is genocide and Islam is heretical while shielding pedofiles or aiding immigration of christian Africans and Filipinos into their countries. They're the biggest hypocrites you could ever imagines.

>> No.14020018

They are larping, not serious. And it's more fun to larp as something with tradition and ceremony.

>> No.14020024

It’s either intellectually emancipated people who through high IQ and removal of enforced stigma and social brainwashing have discovered god or cringey atheist pol larper “cultural” catholics

>> No.14020027

>>14020014
That's because of Humanae Vitae. It's like the Irish who read the same letter and saw the pope telling them to liberalise and use medical loopholes for birth control. Americans read the same letter and figured they should bomb SE Asia back to bedrock for a decade. It's not like they don't acknowledge problems arise from personal interpretation.

>> No.14020030

>>14019796
Seethe harder

>> No.14020040

>>14020030
The only one seething here is you, baby pop.

>> No.14020042

>>14020040
>baby pop
Cringe, boomer leave

>> No.14020050
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>>14020042
>implying boomers talk like that
seethe harder

>> No.14020054

>>14020050
>cringe meme images
Just take the last reply dude,,,, yikes!

>> No.14020067

>>14020054
>yikes

>> No.14020076

saying that you're catholic is the best way to seem smart, like you've 'done the reading'

atheism had a minor intellectual backlash, now openly atheistic people are called fedoras, and so catholicism is the best way to be 'a serious person'

it's a statement of identity more than of actual faith

>> No.14020086

>>14019795
there is a real sincerity and maturity to this post. like you care for the souls of the people browsing this site. if so, thank you for the concern you show

>> No.14020094

>>14019745
Catholicism is more intellectual than Protestantism or Orthodoxy.

>> No.14020101

>>14019753
fpbp

>>14019745
Born and raised very Catholic. Too Catholic, if you understand my meaning. Turned away to other mystical systems as a kid, then was a hapless secular fucking humanist for a while (but not a cringey one at least), then agnostic, then started looking at myth and religion through an anthropological lens, then started with the Greeks which I should have done in the first place, started reading this place some years ago, finally a couple years ago came to the conclusion that Catholicism is actually right. It is historically and philosophically credible and a blessing to mankind. People just don't practice it correctly, including sometimes the lunatics that raised me.

>> No.14020102

A lot of people are trying to give reasons but none of them are Catholics. Personally I was born Catholic, but didn't learn shit at catechism (like most people) and kinda abandoned the Church after my Confirmation. Then I started to look for meaning and started reading again (found this place), realized that the Catholic Church was the closest to the truth. I don't shill Catholicism on /lit/ though, I just take part in Christian/Catholic threads.

>> No.14020113

>>14020102
>I'm the only Catholic in the village
Pls

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>>14019745

>> No.14020123

>>14020113
I mean all the faggy answers above (except the one that came a few seconds after mine) are from people who are obviously not Catholics. Don't be a faggot.

>> No.14020151

>>14020123
I'd answered before and I'm from a country where catechism was in our public school system, I used serve at altar You don't seem to be good at spotting your own kind because I see more than my post showing distinct hints of being baptized and raised in the church.

>> No.14020163

>>14019845
>Hungary
>ultra nationalist
God, I wish.
t. hungarian catholic

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>>14019745
The answer is obvious: male Catholics read and are curious. Reading is a big part of Catholic culture and anyone who goes to Catholic school knows this. Catholics are probably the most likely people to learn Latin as well, which exposes them to a lot of literature. Catholic school forces you to read mostly classics. And also, even lay Catholics are encouraged to read the Catechism. Hardcore Catholics will usually be curious enough to read saints, catechisms, the Bible, secondary Biblical texts, apocrypha, historical texts, historical texts related to Catholicism, fellow Catholics who wrote literature, etc. Basically, as I said above, Catholics read more than non-Catholics.

>> No.14020172

>>14019756
This. Small amounts of people discussing the same things bloat their perceived size. In numbers.

>> No.14020173

>>14020076
what a sad and cynical view. you're a fedora, I take it? oops, excuse me, I mean "man of science and logic"?

>> No.14020177

>>14019845
I'm right-wing and live in a mostly catholic country and I wish low iq bible thumpers would gtfo of politics.

>> No.14020188

>>14020177
>low-IQ bible thumpers
anon, those are just normal politicians. if they weren't cynically using religion as a cloak of righteousness they'd be using something else.

>> No.14020200

>>14019745
I was raised catholic but I left the church when I was afflicted with the gae.
After suffering from he gae for 9 years, I decided that it's not worzh centering my life around because it just caused me to be bitter about the fact that no-one will ever love me for real.
I realized that I rejected Christ for totally emotional reasons, not becausenof facts and logic so I slowly returned to the church.
Im still gae tho.

>> No.14020212

>>14020027
>American foreign policy during the Cold War was crafted in response to papal decrees
yeah nah

>> No.14020226

>>14020014
The 'trad' priests are overwhelmingly the ones who want pedos executed. Look into the pushes for gay shit, ending celibacy, it all goes back to the circles shuffling around the pedos and silencing dissent.
The lavender mafia isn't a conspiracy theory.

>> No.14020230

>>14019756
this, it's like guenonfag trying to make everyone believe he's an entire army of guenonfags

>> No.14020250

>>14020173
im not saying every catholic is that way, just the ones online who came into it in their late teens/early 20s

i dont really care what you call me, so theres no need to dance around the point, im obviously not a christian

>> No.14020252

>>14019745
catholicism is a religion for incels who hate queer people and want to control women's bodies and bring back medieval white supremacist patriarchy. Or else there are also many self hating repressed queer peole who have internalised incels propaganda and feel like they have to repress their true selves

>> No.14020262

>>14020050
Kek'd at the image.

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>>14020252
Your post, interpreted ironically, reveals the answer to OP's question.

>> No.14020281

>>14020252
How do you feel about Islam

>> No.14020296

>>14020281
the abrahamic religions are interchangeable

>> No.14020310

>>14020296
Except they all hate each other, so what's up with that?

>> No.14020320

>>14020310
its like how oklahoma and texas hate each other, despite being basically the same place

>> No.14020332

>>14020320
>t. oklahomian

FUCK YOU, FUCKING NORTHERN MONKEY I'LL SHOOT YER FUCKIN' SHIT I TELL YA HWAT

>> No.14020351

>>14020296
This. They all believe in these absolutely retarded fables like "Ressurection" and "Angels" that we free-thinkers pay no heed to. We are simply too intelligent for that. I hope all of these fairy tale-religions unify so we have a common enemy to fight.

>> No.14020357

>>14020188
Nice digits but they drive a good number of intelligent people into the arms of the left. People who would be open to nationalistic sentiment but are put off by having to deal with unintelligent buffoons with dumb ideas on most aspects of life (especially in regards to contraception and abortion rights).

>> No.14020362

>>14020357
>abortion
>rights
stop using that term

>> No.14020364

>>14020362
Case in point.

>> No.14020365

It's larping in all honesty.

>> No.14020367

I'm not anything yet but I've started reading into Christianity more seriously. Does that count?

>> No.14020391

>>14020351
i mean, they all came out of the same 1000 square miles and promote the same kinds of behavior

im not gonna say whether its a good or bad thing they exist, thats a pretty complicated question, but theyre more similar than not (and also obviously made up)

>> No.14020393

>>14020170
This, at least to some extent. I was already catholic and read, ended up on 4chan to discuss a weeb show, checked out lit for the hell of it, found more interesting lit discussion than I have with any other public forum. Plus catholicism not being dismissed out of hand a la reddit is nice.

>> No.14020394

>>14019745
Read baudrillard to understand the popping up of those identities on the internet

>> No.14020401

>>14020170
All of that applies to people in the Reformed tradition as well like Presbyterians.

>> No.14020408

>>14020212
>American armed forces are not disproportionately Catholic at the time

>> No.14020423

I'm a cripplechan refugees

>> No.14020427

>go to secular meeting of humanists: a bunch of blue-haired weirdos caught up in their ego, nobody reads, everything is racist
>go to local mosque: everybody gets on their hands and knees together to pray, then sit on the floor and talk about philosophy, modernity, ancient science, and how to live a virtuous life with brothers of every race and colour
If you take literature and philosophy seriously, why would you not attempt to be a part of at least some sort of metaphysically minded organization? Catholicism makes the most sense for Western Europeans, and is very aesthetic as well— I've personally got a collection of votive candles and rosary beads, theyre very beautiful to look at and meditate on.

>> No.14020432

>>14020427
>meditate
You're going to hell

>> No.14020437

>>14020427
ah i see, the sjws made you catholic

>> No.14020443

>>14020432
>Anyone else is not

>> No.14020449

>>14019745
I pose as a catholic when I see an atheist argument.

This is my way of putting my two cents: taking the antagonistic position in the argument to push ourselves forward by means of the dialectical work, until the realization of the self within the Absolute.

>> No.14020468

>>14020449
>literally arguing for the sake of argument
okay Euthydemus

>> No.14020474

>>14020449
Hegelians are the devil.

>> No.14020478

>>14020423
>I'm a cripplechan refugees
Here friend.
http://christchannel.xyz/

>> No.14020482

>>14019745
We're not really catholic we're just larping

>> No.14020599

>>14020478
What a terrible name, even "The Fish Channel" would've been better.

>> No.14020603

>>14020401
>All of that applies to people in the Reformed tradition as well like Presbyterians.
Maybe, but I haven't found many Protestants who like to read. Maybe things are different in Europe or in other parts of the US, but where I'm from the protties don't really read anything except the Bible if they're serious, or they don't read at all if they're just nu-protties.

>> No.14020610

>>14019745
I read about le infamous dens of internet trolls.
I was baptized as infant.
Death to America btw

>> No.14020612

>>14020478
>cripplechan
i miss it like you wouldn't believe, especially /b/, /pol/ and /pdfs/. their onion site is down, too.

>> No.14020615

>>14019745
i'm italian

>> No.14020646

>>14020603
I'm neither America nor Christian yet until somewhat recently I didn't realize the media portrayal of all American Christians as Southern Baptists was totally wrong, and even among said Baptists there's plenty of competent theologians. I'm retarded.

>> No.14020660

>>14020432
>implying catholics are puritans
Nah.
Meditation is fine, we also had it forever, it's called contemplation.

>> No.14020733

>>14019845
t.western so-called-liberal pseud
>>14020163
Same with Poland. Our "ultranationalist"
government is bringing record numbers of Arabs, Indians and Pakistanis. Turks and Africans are also more numerous, at least in the cities.

>> No.14020856

>>14019745
I was a staunch catholic till i discovered masturbation. I realised any god that denies such pleasure must be denounced immediately. Qt 17 i fell in love with greek philosophy, now am hear

>> No.14020885

>>14020014
>aiding immigration of christian Africans and Filipinos
Never heard of such thing.
t. Pole

>> No.14020902

>>14020733
It's more like Indians, then Nepalis, then Pakistanis, then Vietnamese, then Central Asians, then Turk kebab owners, then African-American "students", then Arabs and Muslim sub-Africans. But predominantly it's the Ukrainian vermin.

>> No.14020917

>>14020599
t. atheist trying to subvert
nice try, bitchens acolyte

>> No.14020923

>>14020660
eastern meditation has nothing to do with the roman meditatio, which is literally a literary activity. eastern meditation is pretty clearly satanic in nature

>> No.14020928

>>14020660
>catholics are puritans
Except they are

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>>14020856

>> No.14020951

>>14020923
read The Cloude of Unknowing

>> No.14020961

>>14020929
No i won't deny myself these pleasures of the motal man

>> No.14020976

What was Christ's opinion on cunny?

>> No.14020988

>>14020976
fine as long as journalists and cops don't find out about it

>> No.14021006

>>14020961
why would you coom? bro i haven't coomed in like a month and my energy levels and overall motivation have never been so high.

>> No.14021013

>>14020923
Of course. Only people possessed by satan could think that there could be uncreated substances other than the Three Persons of God.

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>>14019745
was raised a lukewarm catholic: mom made me go to CCD and get confirmed, but i didn't go to Mass regularly since i was like 8. i hated Mass so much, especially the music. my town had one of those parishes with a boomer rock band, complete with a literal drum set in the sanctuary. got super depressed and it came to a head when i had a mental breakdown. i was a NEET at the time and all i did was browse chan and masturbate all day, sleeping during the day. was basically insane for the next three months after the mental break, but hid it well enough from my parents because i never talked to them anyway. during this time i found a rosary and i would just hold it in my hand while i fell asleep, because it comforted me and i was very afraid of sleeping. i had to sleep with the lights and tv on and put on a shitload of clothes, wear a hoodie with the drawstrings pulled completely shit, tuck my pants into my socks just to fall asleep. as i eventually got over this, i started looking into catholicism, and eventually worked up the courage to go to confession (this was like 8-9 months later, i was scared shitless of going back to church). then after that i just started going to Mass every sunday and i would have panic attacks the whole time, but i eventually got used to it. worst part was the handshake part. now its been a year and 4 months since i came back to the church, and i still haven't talked to anyone there, not even the priest outside confession or shaking hands at the end of Mass as everyone leaves. i'm still a fucking outcast and a pariah. honestly i have no idea why i do it, i just know if i don't i'm gonna kill myself, so it doesn't really matter if they like me or not. yeah, shit sucks if you're a weirdo who wants to just get better, no one really cares about you and you do kind of just feel like a LARPer.

>> No.14021053

>>14020603
Not all Protestants are part of the Reformed tradition. Today you really have to separate the two in your mind. All Reformed Christians are Protestants but not all Protestants are Reformed.
Reformed denominations hold to confessions of faith like the Westminster Confession and catechize their members. Presbyterianism is a great example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterianism

>> No.14021055

>>14020478
>heretics don't get banned
lame

>> No.14021070

>>14019845
That makes them based. By the way, most priests are too intelligent to believe in God. They just detest sin, degeneration and abomination. Priesthood is the most based and redpilled occupation of all time.

>> No.14021082

>>14020401
Wrong.

>> No.14021109

>>14019778
Who are those youtubers just curious

>> No.14021113

>>14021015
This could have been written by me. Thanks for sharing, fren.

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>>14021113
we're all gonna make it

>> No.14021155

I'm an Anglican, and I remain so.
However I feel that Christianity has reached a point where that doesn't matter, we see the softening of both said churches. And at this moment, to be a Christian in the proper sense, is fine to all similar people of all churches.

>> No.14021179

>>14020018
I'm completely serious.

>> No.14021195

>>14019745
All the great and cool writers are Catholics. Even Shakespeare.

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>>14020923
>Everything i don't understand Is satanic
Grow up faggot

>> No.14021361

>>14021339
i used to meditate 40 minutes daily, i did that for about a year, i was very serious into it and into eastern religion. meditation is satanic and i got first hand experience of that

>> No.14021371

>>14021361
Owen?

>> No.14021377

>>14021361
Im intrigued, please elaborate

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>>14021361
You mean like this kind of meditation? What are you talking about?

>> No.14021406

>>14019792
I'm still a terrible Catholic and haven't been to church in years but this is true. I found 4chan as an edgy teen atheist going to /b/ and migrated to the smaller hobby boards as I matured, and it's been ten fucking years so I doubt I'm going anywhere at this point.
Weird fat tradcaths trying to larp as Jesuits and people like the now-absent chasteposter bother me about as much as edgy reddit atheists though. I just find a lot of beauty in religious art and tradition and don't find atheism philosophically sound anymore. I was born in Catholicism and enjoy the history of the church much more than American Protestant nonsense, so if somebody presses me to use a label, it's Catholic.

>> No.14021440

Catholics wind up here because this place emphasizes literacy and Catholics are the only demographic in the west that still encourages literacy. Simple as

>> No.14021471

>>14021440
>2019
>be catholic
>only have 5 teeth left
>only thing you ever read is footy results and celeb gossip

>> No.14021491

>>14021371
>>14021377
>>14021401
two things led me to believe that eastern meditation was satanic; i mostly practiced hindu meditation and several techniques, not just one. i started it to deal with anxiety and depression. the first thing that got me was a gradual dissociation. certain people consider dissociation as good and enjoy the feeling of being detached but it got really bad. the stages of the dissociation were like this:
1. feeling no connection to my own emotions (this was a nice feelings as i was going through some shit back then)
2. feeling no connection to my body (this also was more or less pleasant since it served an ascetic purpose)
3. feeling no connection to my mind (this was when i started getting worried but it was also nice to feel like an outsider to my own mental processes)
4. feeling no connection to anybody or anything around me (this was not good and no added benefits, i felt like i didn't recognize family members, i no longer cared about my friends and didn't bother talking to them, i literally lost all my friends because i felt zero connection to them. i felt like i didn't friends or need anybody at all, i was content with my solipsism)
5. feeling no connection to literally anything in my own life. at this point i quit my job, lived alone, didn't talk to anybody, didn't leave my house except for the bare minimum, lost all ambition, lost interest in everything including literature, music, entertainment, etc. i didn't do anything at all. i would read some stuff, but i mostly spent my time alone. this was the peak of my meditative life, i had moved on from 40 minutes daily to around 2 hours daily. i had no friends, didn't talk to family, no job, no nothing. i was convinced i was reaching enlightenment.

i never really noticed how dissociative meditation made me. i didn't understand what was happening at all. then one day when i was meditating i had a terrifying experience (this is the second thing). i don't know how long i was meditating as i had already quit using a timer, but a sudden flash and bright glare burst into my mind. it wasn't pleasant, i was terrified. and i don't remember anything except that i saw and ocean of black darkness, what seemed like an infinite void. and in the middle was a glowing cross, burning. and i felt like it was burning for me.

when i snapped out of it, i suddenly lost all my dissociation, i looked around me and realized i had nothing and nobody. since then i knew i had to pursue a christian life, whatever that meant then. and i soon made up with my family and my friends, have been more social, etc. i now handle my anxiety with jesus prayer, just repeating it silently to myself when i feel bad, and it's much more effective and i can feel the grace of God coming to me as i say it.

i say meditation is satanic because for me, it tore my life apart, and the origin of the word "diabolic" is what ever rends things apart.

>> No.14021695

tl;dr of this thread: everyone but less than 10 people are larpers

>> No.14021711

>>14021695
>t. satanic meditator

>> No.14021743

>>14021371
isn't he that twitter midwit ?

>> No.14021908

>>14020928
>religion is literally made up of the best of the best of greek and jewish thought, combined with Roman imperialsm and a dash of germanic culture and pagan shrines
>puritanical
Nice bait though.
>>14020923
>fousing your mind on the holy name of Christ is satanic
bruh...

>> No.14021933

>>14020923
Do you even rosary ???

>> No.14021935

>>14021070
>doesnt believe in God
>based and redpilled
Thats not how it works

>> No.14021938

>>14021070
Sad but true.

>> No.14021941

>>14021361
>my personal anecdote is conclusive evidence
Nope, gtfo.

>> No.14021951

>>14019745
most of these catholic converts have been 4chan / internet users for a long time i would guess. i think that catholicism seems an easy and simple answer to the feeling of worthlessness and hopelessness that is permeating among teenage/20smth males. what alternative is there atm for something that can fill this void at the moment? theres not much, and most arent simple solutions. catholicism seems a simple response for that feeling of meaninglessness to some.

>> No.14021961

>>14021951
>what alternative is there atm
AI worship

>> No.14021965

>>14021908
>>14021933
>>14021941
triggered lmao

>> No.14021969

>>14020170
by that logic they're would be tons of Jews on this board as well

>> No.14021979

>>14019745
It's just confused teenagers enamored with some vague tradition they don't belong to and empty aesthetics.

>> No.14021981

>>14020478
thank you so much i've missed /christian/ so much

>> No.14021982

>>14021969
there are

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>>14021491
This.

Meditation with the aim of ego destruction and "liberation" is literally demonic. Sorry bros. You are an animal, you have a soul, you have natural rights and natural desires (such as to exist, to believe you and your experiences are real, to conform yourself to an authority) and these being part of your nature cannot be wrong. Trying to tear that out will make you into exactly what anon describes: a shadow of a human being. Just don't.

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>>14021979

>> No.14022012

>>14021982
>tons
there's like 3 and they're only here to scan the board for culture of critique threads so they can shit them up.

>> No.14022021

>>14021992
this but ironically

>> No.14022024

>>14021981
Watkins is launching a new site soon.

>> No.14022127

>>14021015
In my experience, Catholic communities are very welcoming. I hope you work up the courage to start trying to talk to some of the people there.

>> No.14022138

>>14022012
According to the last straw polls there are at least a couple dozens of them.
Also culture of critique is newfag antisemitism, /lit/ talked about more substantial stuff like Heidegger, Céline or Hitler way before that meme book came out.

>> No.14022150

>>14021491
>>14021992
There's a reason even Buddhist don't advise starting meditation on your own. It's a powerful practice that can have many different results, not all of them beneficial, and you can't know in what kind of trap you're throwing yourself. Asians have centuries-old tradition of the practice, they know how to do it right.

The same apply to Christian ascetic practices by the way. Start mortifying yourself hardcore without a guide and you might soon end up demented or die in a state of sin.

>> No.14022171

>>14022150
Fair point. There's an anon around here who insists westerners only engage in those practices under a guru. I still wouldn't recommend it but your analogy is mostly sound.

>> No.14022184

>>14022150
>The same apply to Christian ascetic practices by the way. Start mortifying yourself hardcore without a guide and you might soon end up demented or die in a state of sin.
what do you mean?

>> No.14022196

>>14021082
How am I wrong?

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>>14021491
What you have described is interesting to me, as I am a practitioner of my own asceticism that was inspired by Zen Buddhism, so it involves "sitting" or meditation. You seem to be familiar with the concept of "Void", "Emptiness," "Nothingness" or "Heaven," or "Ether". Those are not the states of "Nirvana" or "Enlightenment" but rather a state of enlightenment of sorts where all things become 100% clear. Breaking through, breaking free, freedom in all Ways is the essence to this concept of "Ether", "Void", or 空 that I speak of.

I'd like to argue the point that disassociation is precisely what led you to the clarity that brought you purpose in life. You could not have a stronger foundation to start acting on that purpose if you did anything other than take a plunge into that realm. The outcomes for everyone are different, but they are the same in spirit. Acknowledging purpose in following the footsteps of Jesus Christ is one of the most upright and true Ways of Being that man can uphold.

>> No.14022434

>>14020252
Yes.

>> No.14022476

>>14020018
>>14020076
>>14019756
>>14021695
We are legitimate Catholics. Deceiving yourself by claiming we are being insincere is a losing man's game. Catholicism is rising.

>> No.14022489

>>14020200
There’s nothing wrong with being gay, pick up your cross daily and run towards Jesus. And confess when you get railed by Tyrone, or Julio. I know that’s difficult (I despise confessing sexual sin) but remember that we are called to be holy

>> No.14022500

>>14021491
Why does this post feel demonic in itself to me? It's like someone saying "well I got bullied by kids during sunday school so church is bad"
But worse, because you are actively trying to vie people away from meditation. I don't practice meditation myself but learning when and what to remove out of your life is valuable. Some people need to remove both friends and family.

But back to it, I do feel a lot of negative or even downright demonic energy from this post.

>> No.14022504

>>14022476
What is your opinion on the Tanakh as a Catholic. You include it with your holy books but do not derive meaning from it? Do you use it alongside the Gospels for the context it provides to explain Jesus' actions? If that is the case, why not include all of the Jewish holy texts? Please don't tell me "Saul of Tarsus said so, and I do not question him specifically."

>> No.14022519

>>14020391
Are you implying Abrahamic religions are the only ones with concepts like resurrection or angels..?

>> No.14022535

>>14022500
>i looked around me and realized i had nothing and nobody.
I believe it's this quote that's giving off bad vibes. He's defying the state of being alone for what I assume is communal rapport, which isn't a bad thing, but he makes it seem like there is no other path to salvation other than by having friends and/or family to commit yourself to.
It is contrary to the words of Christ:
>“If any man come to me, and hate not his father and mother, and wife and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”

>> No.14022551

>>14022504
Not that anon but you really can't understand the literary or theological depth of the New Testament without it. Jesus was a rabbi and his textbook was the Tanakh. Even today, almost all Christians learn the first parts of the Torah -- the creation stories, the fall, the flood, and Exodus -- from childhood.

>> No.14022577

>>14021491
Christians shouldn’t practice this type of meditation. All you need is a chokti and the Jesus Prayer

>> No.14022580

>>14022551
>Jesus was a rabbi and his textbook was the Tanakh
Look. If Christ is Judaic, then fundamentally, there is no difference between Christianity and Judaism and Christianity becomes a redundancy. This is obviously not true. Consider one of many examples, an orthodox Rabbi would have followed the Talmudic law in accordance with the whore woman that was about to be stoned. And yet Jesus did not act according to Judaism. There are many other examples of this where Jesus is shown to completely and utterly do the opposite of what a Jew would do, and it is with this context that I remark that Jesus is absolutely not Jewish.

>> No.14022582

>>14019745
I always assumed it was just young male Americans LARPing. When you get posters from Catholic-majority countries they don't have the same obsession about it.

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>>14020170
>Catholics read more than non-Catholics.

Eh, the Protestant publishing book business is *much* bigger than the Catholic equivalent in recent decades. Driven in part by Left Behind-type bestsellers, but only in part.

>> No.14022606

>>14022580
Brainlet post

>> No.14022608

>>14022580
>Look. If Christ is Judaic, then fundamentally, there is no difference between Christianity and Judaism
>no difference
Nope. Jesus instituted a new covenant. That's why he's called the messiah and his story is called the New Testament.

>an orthodox Rabbi would have followed the Talmudic law
aha but not all Jews of the period were "orthodox." Some were Pharisees, some were Sadducees, others were Essenes. Jesus being opposed to these varied and immoral sects is kind of the point.

>And yet Jesus did not act according to Judaism.
Exactly. I'm glad we agree.

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>>14021015
Go to daily Mass. It will heal your soul. Give it a month. You will feel a difference, I guarantee it. Much shorter, no music. Just sit somewhere you don't have to interact with people -- on Sundays also, if you can manage. That sucks about the awful music.

Don't kill yourself.

Get a copy of Sr. Faustina, Divine Mercy in My Soul. Give it a try.

>> No.14022626

>>14022504
>If that is the case, why not include all of the Jewish holy texts?
And to answer your original question: because those other texts are not the Tanakh that Jesus used. They're oral torah and rabbinical decisions of later centuries, compiled by the people who had rejected Jesus as the Christ and the Holy Spirit. Why would Catholics accept those things as sacred texts?

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>>14021982
a little something for the members of the tribe.

http://www.hebrewcatholic.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/THC90.pdf

Go to page 11. Take and read.

>> No.14022634

>>14022608
Perhaps I am a brainlet but irrespective of that, the teachings of Jesus are too diametrically opposed to the laws of Judaism that I have to disagree with you.

>> No.14022650

>>14022626
Jesus did not teach the Tanakh, the teachings of Jesus are the complete opposite of the teachings of the Tanakh. Since his audiences were sometimes Jewish, it is only a matter of course that they would recognize examples from the Tanakh so that they could be offered an alternative view. That is my understanding of Jesus' relationship with the Tanakh.