/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14003399]

Hi /lit/. I've been reading for years now and I've arrived at a huge crossroads. I will be 30 next year.

I've accepted that the conventional idea of success - marriage, family, a career - is something that was never meant for me. My question is, what do I do now?

Go full ascetic and contemplate the divine until death, or stay in society and fight back against the evil I perceive in the world? Just consuming and riding the media hype cycle for decades is completely out of the question.

[Anonymous No.14003415]

The capitalist idea of success is a meme. Live somewhere that is small and cozy. Be frugal. Only use money to build a home gym and buy books. Eat a vegan diet. Make some frens if you can. Support your socialist party. Read books and be comfy. Experience new modes of aesthetic experience and learn more about art. And read Whitehead.

[Anonymous No.14003433]

>>14003415
I don't disagree, I'm basically already doing/willing to do this already, but I can't sit idly by while the rest of the machine continues to consume with abandon. Do I have a duty to fight, or should I just forget the world altogether?

I wasn't born equipped with what it takes to be conventionally successful male in this system, I don't hate anyone for it, it's just a fact, like the sky being blue. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. My 20s have been one long lesson in how pitifully incompatible I am with the Game.

[Anonymous No.14003473]

Read Thomas Merton the seven story mountain.

[Anonymous No.14003487]

>>14003433
Fighting it involves creating an alternative to it, which requires the same skills that make one successful at it. To fight the game is to become a part of it. Unfortunately capitalism seems unavoidable.

[Anonymous No.14003499]

>>14003487
Not necessarily. There are other ways to fight it than rolling up my sleeves and running the hamster wheel to prove it to all the other hamsters I can run with the best of 'em, like some corny teen movie. But I know what you're trying to say.

[Anonymous No.14003523]

You don't have any type of civic duty and no one expects you to take one, just do what you wanna do man

[Anonymous No.14003535]

>>14003523
You are correct, but don't I have a duty to nature and animals, at least? To human culture and art and everything else that's getting eaten for profit? I've read too much to ignore this.

Would asceticism be selfish? Maybe, but fighting back? Might be pointless, instead. I'm so confused, man. All this knowledge that I can't make good on.

[Anonymous No.14003550]

>>14003499
How do you convert people away from a consumerist lifestyle without employing some form of marketing and salesmanship? How do you create and sustain and organization for doing so without raising capital continually?

[Anonymous No.14003551]

>>14003415
I want this so bad.

[Anonymous No.14003559]

>>14003550
Converting people to alternative economic systems/organizations is the last, I repeat, the LAST, thing I care about

[Anonymous No.14003594]

thanks for this thread post anon. i feel very similar.

[Anonymous No.14003606]

>>14003594
I'm glad I'm not alone. I'm about to just flip a coin at this point

[Anonymous No.14003613]

>>14003399

Find a way to live somewhat comfortably. Don't overindulge your vices. Immerse yourself in good books.

[Anonymous No.14003625]

>>14003613
That isn't the issue though, it's whether I owe this aesthetic sense the good fight, or whether I should punch out when it comes to the human universe and just retreat (move beyond?) into a solipsistic contemplation of the Logos

[Anonymous No.14003645]

>>14003559
Then what do you propose as a way of fighting?

[Anonymous No.14003648]

>>14003473
Agreed anon

[Anonymous No.14003659]

>>14003399
Start with the Introduction to the Study of Hindu Doctrines.

[Anonymous No.14003665]

>>14003659
Oh please, I got over Guenon years ago. I already told you I read.

[Anonymous No.14003787]

>>14003399
>contemplate the divine
>fight back against the evil I perceive in the world
did you actually read cioran or are you just shitposting?

[Anonymous No.14003925]

>>14003645
You can't fight the terminal illness that is modern man. Stop thinking and philosophizing and start looking for personal happiness. Find your own little garden.

[Anonymous No.14003934]

I'm currently 26 and work in a law firm. The amount of pain I have to endure every single day from the time I wake up to when I can finally exit that accursed place is starting to take its toll: I've even cried in the car on my way to work. This shit is horrible and I regret going to law school, but now I have to pay off my debts and shit.

[Anonymous No.14003937]

>>14003415
>The capitalist idea of success is a meme. Live somewhere that is small and cozy. Be frugal. Only use money to build a home gym and buy books.
based
>Eat a vegan diet. Make some frens if you can. Support your socialist party.
cringe

[Anonymous No.14003947]

>>14003934
I’m 28 and in the exact same position lol. Fuck this.>>14003937

[Anonymous No.14004233]

>>14003399
Anon, I'm gonna give it to you straight: Just because all perspectives have the same degree of relativity does not mean that they are all equal in value. You are caught in an infinite loop, your free will is entering autoimmune syndrome and your eros is either suffering or in a dire need of reshape.

I love Cioran too but please understand he's a master of disguises and while when it comes to written aesthetics and metaphysics he seems unrivalled, he lacks severily in terms of living. Life is not only about knowledge (as he choose to view it from) but it's about living as well. Cioran viewing things from the sole pole of knowledge he reveals that knowledge on it's own is akin to the Void (as it is Da'aath in Kaballah); and thus forms this relative point of view where humankind and the World are mere shadows under Eternity's absurd light.

This is soul-crushing perspective ; it stems from trying to emulate the Divine's Eye but failling to do so it only manages to remain it's shadow; thus shadow projecting shadows until a point of no return.

If Cioran (and any other such as him) were to be completely faithful to their own creeds of nihil then he would have burned all of his notebooks and hanged himself. So you being able to read his works now is paradoxically the panaceea to his vitriol.

[Anonymous No.14004274]

>>14004233
(cont.)

Also, I'm 28 too and am just now beginning to exit a stage in life where for years I've negated most of my potential and ability to "live". I'm not talking about buying boats and making kids; I'm talking about gaining independence and taking things through my own filter. (not friends, family or various creeds I subscribed unto just because they kept me out of responsiblity and exposure to myself and others).

It's perfectly fine to accept that most things people do in this "life" (surrogate for what life actually is) is a waste of time; but that does not mean that by refuting one extreme you should blast yourself into the other (from conformism to ascetism). If one day you will be called to live alone in the wild you will do it no matter if you so wish feel or are prepared, believe me.

What I would advice is to take an honest look at all of those critical (central) points in your life where you lack: resources, health, exercise, sleep, diet, sex, communication, security, freedom to travel, nature bonds, creativity, expression of creativity, ego-health, faith, spirituality and unclosed subjects. Take small steps at a time and try to 'force' yourself a little to move things forward. While you do so you will see that you can gain a momentum which is more healthy for what you and we are as beings; judging living things from a graveyard's perspective is, as you can yourself tell, a hypocritical attitude.

In any case, I hope you go more easy on yourself and manage to be sincere. For me it sounds you do not have hope or opportunities to share what you have received over all of these years. Seek to do so; life without giving is worse than death

[Anonymous No.14004275]

>>14003934
I spent my 20s being the complete opposite of the normie go-getter and while I know you can't speak for everyone who did play the game, posts like this are pretty vindicating.

>>14004233
It isn't Cioran, its the recognition that I'm at a crossroads in my life much like we're at a crossroads in history. Do I simply accept my destiny as a superfluous man and retreat into a gilded void or do I fight back against the forces that obviously have this world by the balls?

[Anonymous No.14004292]

>>14004274
I don't want to do a goddamn thing to do with people anymore. Nothing, nada, zilch, zip. I'm tired of trying to be someone else, because when I do try, it's other people who will be the first to remind me I'm not fooling myself. They don't like me, I don't like them.

[Anonymous No.14004361]

>>14004275


> its the recognition that I'm at a crossroads in my life much like we're at a crossroads in history

You always are, have been and will be. The cruciality of moment's pass which you are now aware of stems both from your slow awakening and from the pressure your yourself have put on viewing a specific age (closing 30) as a threshold of destiny.

> do I fight back against the forces that obviously have this world by the balls
Depending on what you subscribe to, you may view things as in an eternal state of Apocalypse, change, Revelation. This can, however, drive you mad (as a Saint you are probably not).

The idea is not to see life as letting yourself go; that stems from the view that your potential is absolute; and while it is - that is prideful to do so - as your immediate potential awaits now, just around next day's corner, reachable and fulfillable. Slow steps

If you try to fight "evil" with it's own weapons (force) and in it's own home court (Profane World) then you will either get wrecked (and spill thy gifts) or get converted, corrupted by the fact that you fight the same game.
And sorry but this:
>Do I simply accept my destiny as a superfluous man and retreat into a gilded void
This is too much Cioran, either directly or not. Cioran was a failed mystic; nothing he says there is untrue, but his voice is no longer human, he is like a shell left behind by his soul departed before death. What you are doing here is you are absolutizing existence using solely a part of yourself which as it governs knowledge it can only blacken it, burning it out. You are not alone; and your chest holds not a void but a source. You are just choosing to view things in negative light, that does not change their influx but rather the way your mind is focusing attention; you are resisting yourself. Nothing in excess brings freedom

[Anonymous No.14004383]

>>14003399
>>>/r9k/

[Anonymous No.14004407]

>>14004292
Then what do you seek from us here?

You need people; if not then you would not resent them.

Your issues with others stem from the issues you have with yourself: either you think yourself too special or too low - it does not matter; excess is the same, it makes you captive in a master-slave prison.

Don't need to force yourself into being someone else; just be real about how society is and how much of what you are (and is socially unacceptable) is truly essential to what you feel life is. It may be you have made yourself a life less alive than the Life you so despise.

[Anonymous No.14004417]

>>14004383
based janny larper

[Anonymous No.14004456]

>>14004361
>If you try to fight "evil" with it's own weapons (force) and in it's own home court (Profane World) then you will either get wrecked (and spill thy gifts) or get converted, corrupted by the fact that you fight the same game.

All it takes is enough people to accept this for evil to do whatever it wants. Sooner or later something has to give. Yes I realize I'm probably falling prey to that lust for narrative meaning in life that afflicts so many of my peers. Yes, I suppose this is a "pathological", subjective way of seeing things. Yes, I suppose Hegel's right that the eye that sees evil is evil, but at the end of the day

Something has got to give

[Anonymous No.14004634]

>>14003415
Conventionally successful anon here (wife, kid, happy family, house literally on a golf course, two cars, tenure track job) and I want this too. Thanks for this thread.

[Anonymous No.14004677]

>>14004634
Why do you want it?

[Anonymous No.14004686]

>>14003415
This is the truth, except for the veganism thing. And not because I give a shit about other people's dietary habits, but because raising your own meat has its own satisfaction. Read "One Man's Meat" by E.B. White. t. been doing basically this, except with a similarly inclined lady, for six years. (p.s. you still get internet access in the sticks if you want to shitpost)

[Anonymous No.14004714]

>>14004686
Animals are your frens plz don't kill them. Also factory farming is horrific and a vegan diet is great for you there is no reason to not go vegan.

[Anonymous No.14004726]

>>14004714
I agree with you but under ideal conditions I think it's okay to own a few animals. As long as respect is paid. But I agree factory farming is ahrimanic

[Anonymous No.14004743]

>>14003415

You will never be a member of the stupid Committee, and you will never live in Tarnac. Now fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14004782]

>>14004714
Vegan diet isn’t great for you, fucking idiot. 100% pseudoscience. If it was good for you it wouldn’t require supplementation.

[Anonymous No.14004790]

>>14004714
Of course they are, that's why I recommended the book. You will never meet a more compassionate, more respectful animal owner than White. I model my relationship with my own to the example he sets. Factory farming is barbaric, but personal consumption is not (imo)

[Anonymous No.14004810]

Living a decent rural life is not hard. If you limit what you buy to only what you need, you would be extremely suprised how much money you save. Additionally, if you grow your own vegetables (or buy very local in bulk farm shares) you can save a ton of money in the growing seasons. If you grow enough, you will get tax breaks. Rural areas usually have lower taxes anyways. Buying rural land is substantially cheaper. You will need a vehicle, but that's a worthy trade-off.

Ideally, I plan on buying property in a rural area in the proximity to a university. Lots of American universities were created before industrialization or were created as agricultural schools, so many are in rural areas. This would allow me to use their library for a nominal fee and perhaps also get free internet access. I likely will not have children. It is a strain on one's spiritual life and one's material life. I will get a nice dog and get socialization through a local Church most likely.

I see no reason why such a thing would be unreasonable. As soon as I graduate, I plan on moving back somewhere in rural New England and starting this life.

[Anonymous No.14004836]

>>14004810
Where in NE are you from, Anon?

[Anonymous No.14004863]

>>14004836
To amend my own post: you can use almost all (American) University libraries, unless you want to check books out. In which case, I should tell you, most don't check books out at all

[Anonymous No.14004945]

>>14004863
rural Massachusetts. You can check out books from state university libraries here if you are a citizen of the state.

[Anonymous No.14004949]

There is no imperative to fight, everyone that has tried has just had their energies absorbed into capital. There is no morality, therefore there is nothing you must be compelled to do, on a primal level you know there’s nothing you CAN do anyways. The building of an identity around politics is a task that will only hurt you, and the only real meme is this modernist idea of the “transcendence of art” as if you’ll reach some deeper spiritual fullness or understanding by engaging art. Art IS fun and transcends, for a little while at least. But it’s not substantive, if art sustained anyone artists wouldn’t have to be constantly creating and looking for their next form of output. These therapeutic qualities art is purported to have are dictated by the arts communities themselves, the commodification of these things is the reason these attitudes have come to fruition in the first place. Use your deconstructive analysis for more than simply pop-culture you don’t personally like, or to combat archetypes that have offended you. You must *believe* that there’s no ethical consumption. The endpoint of most leftist ideology is commonly reactionary for all these reasons once you remove the cartoonish veil of critical theory from subjectivity and use it more objectively and indiscriminately. How do you achieve happiness? Focus on the metaphysical, stop seeing societies spectacle as “other” simply because its permutations align with capital. One of the things the capitalists have right is that it does work with human nature. Stop evoking science when it suits you and realize that all the science we have points to fulfillment when we have strong community, and family. That doesn’t mean you need a wife and children, but you do need warmth and understanding, which you will NOT find in modern politics or the romanticization of so-called struggle. Do more than sitting around, make your praxis. If I knew more I could give more advice but I don’t.

[Anonymous No.14004960]

Duty to fight or forget the world completely=false dichotomy

[Anonymous No.14004962]

>>14004949
Who said anything about art and politics. The post is literally just about rural simple life or middle class life. It's not that deep

[Anonymous No.14004976]

>>14004949
>You must *believe* that there’s no ethical consumption.

I already do, this is a test neither I or civilization pass today. And I'm not talking about antifa-type commodified Mcresistance. I mean the man who has nothing left to lose type of resistance.

[Anonymous No.14004982]

>>14004960
This. Nietzsche writes of refined heroism whereby a man uses his higher learning to retire from the masses and goes silently through life whilst paving the way for the coming overman.

[Anonymous No.14004989]

>we’re at a crossroads in history
Thought every person who ever lived, the self-importance is astounding

[Anonymous No.14004996]

>>14004982
Barely distinguishable from the mystical quietism he loves to shit on. These days, anyways. Yeah, just wait it out and decorate the living room for the Savior. I'm good dude.

[Anonymous No.14005011]

>>14004989
>dude it's always been like this lmao

Another trick of the ahrimanic trade. Are you going to quote me that Socrates line complaining about young whippersnappers next?

[Anonymous No.14005023]

>>14004996
The overman is not a savior, nor a single individual for that matter; he is the next stage for humanity. The main difference between quietism and epicurism is that the former is life-denying and the latter life-affirming (although Nietzsche criticized it in his later period).

[Anonymous No.14005066]

>>14003399
> marriage, family, a career - is something that was never meant for me
Yes, it is. You probably too scared to reach these, so you're coping.

[Anonymous No.14005067]

>>14004962
Responding to the thread as a whole, Fren.

>>14004976
I question if you do, I know it upsets you. It upsets me too. But complete acceptance of the totality of this places you where Cioran is, don’t be The Last Man. It’s not that he’s wrong, it’s that his analysis is right but simply left with no prescriptive motion of what to do next. You’re the end result of radical politics, which is what I mean by fully accepting the fact that there is no ethical consumption, not so you can ruminate in this but move on. Let go of the idea that this is all that matters or that placing even a little less emphasis on it is a defeat if some kind. You’re only defeating yourself. You must see the world as the void and come through the other side? To bios anew. Some people find it through eastern philosophy, others simply vote republican. I can’t tell you your specific flavor of redemption but I don’t think you’d be coming here asking us this if you weren’t exhausted if ideas, and hitting a wall in your personal growth. Like another anon said with words I might not use, there’s a light in you. Inner growth, it’s time to look inward, reject the notion that that’s somehow a class rejection or a rejection of duty. Individualism in small doses isn’t all bad. There’s an internal and interior world you have and it’s vast and bigger than you might think. We all die one day, anon. I promise, you DO get to let yourself experience happiness.

[Anonymous No.14005081]

>>14005011
Actually it’s NEVER been like this. But I still don’t see how that’s relevant. Atleast Socrates didn’t spend his time exclusively projecting out into the world.

[Anonymous No.14005093]

>>14005066
Marriage family and a career is literally the lowest, most banal goal one could aspire to. There is nothing special or scary about it.

[Anonymous No.14005100]

if you don't have kids you'll be miserable

[Anonymous No.14005102]

>>14005100
wrong

[Anonymous No.14005107]

>>14005093
It’s funny how the same people that criticize this are deeply unhappy, including OP. Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.14005112]

>>14005107
It's almost as if different people want different things in life. Really makes you think, indeed.

[Anonymous No.14005124]

>>14005112
If by “different people” you mean the small sliver of people that deviate from the nuclear family consciously then sure. It’s an outlier and not some universal truth, you aren’t fighting the system by not having kids or a career. Nobody cares what you do, I promise.

[Anonymous No.14005125]

>>14005107
Imagine projecting so hard that you determine someone's entire emotional state through 2 declaratory sentences.

[Anonymous No.14005133]

>>14005124
>fighting the system
It's not about fighting the system or "destroying"the nuclear family, you retarded boomer piece of shit. It's about leading another way of life, preferably as far away as possible from the billions of superfluous and many-too-many such as yourself.

[Anonymous No.14005134]

>>14005125
I thought that might make you upset, jealousy is a disease bitch. Get well soon sweetie.

[Anonymous No.14005146]

>>14005134
Reddit-teir response. Please go back and continue your projecting elsewhere. No one is jealous of you and your dead end boomer job and washed up wife, I promise.

[Anonymous No.14005156]

>>14005134
The boomer sacred cow defense squad is officially in this thread. It's not about criticizing these things, it's about being forced by a unique set of existential circumstances to come up with something besides and maybe even beyond them.

[Anonymous No.14005161]

>>14003399
Wreak havoc. Fuck people over wherever and whenever possible for your own benefit. Forget compassion and pity. Every choice you make should be made with your benefit in mind.

The world doesn't owe you anything, and you don't owe it anything, either.

[Anonymous No.14005172]

>>14005161

No thanks, there is evil in this world but I have no interest in contributing to it indiscriminately. It's dozens of broke-brained faggots taking advice like this to heart and shooting up schools and churches instead of cutting the head off a snake that got us here and has polluted every channel of legitimate resistance

[Anonymous No.14005177]

>>14003787
This
Also being active in this world is contradictory to everything Cioran wrote.

Better Go read some Anthony Mello you twat

[Anonymous No.14005180]

>>14005133
Isn’t that what this whole thread is? it’s trying to figure out what that so-called “other way of life” is. Seems to me that it sucks cock. Believe in science friend, all the best minds in sociology,psychology, behavioral studies etc have clear data that shows the kinds of measures for happiness and fulfillment OP is asking about. It just conflicts with a leftist worldview. The very scientific method used to discover global warming and the urgency that fills your souls with is the same one telling you children and a strong social fabric are key to happiness.

[Anonymous No.14005189]

>>14005172
>shooting up schools and churches

Did you even read what I said? Mass murderers are just raging omegas.

Fucking the system up from the inside, now that's real art!

[Anonymous No.14005202]

>>14005180

No, the thread is about people INCAPABLE of achieving these things, and not for lack of trying. You insipid cunt

[Anonymous No.14005210]

>>14005189
Well what's better? Lighting the fire from inside the kitchen or lobbing a Molotov through the window?

[Anonymous No.14005238]

>>14005202
Exactly, incapable of achieving them outside of conventions that you love to moralize over. Quick reminder that moralizing is petit bourgeois bullshit in the first place, you’re still picking and choosing when to apply critical theory, so entrapped in your ideology you can’t unblind yourself long enough to see others happiness and subsequently your own. I’m happy. Are you?

[Anonymous No.14005243]

>>14005210
The former, of course. I just don't understand why would anyone feel compassion for the people who 95% of the time have no compassion for anyone else either. People around you would fuck you over in a heartbeat if it meant that they could get their way.

People like to ride their moral high horse in this regard, until they're forced into a situation where their morals are actually challenged.

[Anonymous No.14005254]

>>14005243
Might is right my nigga

[Anonymous No.14005266]

>>14004677
The daily grind of tenure track life isn't anymore "the life of the mind" than any other bureaucratic system--the wife and kid, fine, but the job itself will make you crave something simpler and more wholesome.

[Anonymous No.14005273]

>>14005238
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.14005279]

>>14004810
Do you want to be pen pals?

[Anonymous No.14005284]

>>14005243
I agree friend, and that's what I'm saying. I spent the past couple years de-conditioning myself of all these gay little womanish inhibitions. These people don't give a fuck about me or anything I value. That's why I made the thread. Take it to them, or check out? I love what I love, I don't hate the world or people, but the cancer is real

[Anonymous No.14005305]

>>14005266
Not him but what do you specialize in? The instillment of bureaucracy In academia is a damn shame. Telling that you don’t seem to mind the wife and kids or even working but simply the shifty bureaucratic nature of your job lol

[Anonymous No.14005311]

>>14005273
I already know that faggot

[Anonymous No.14005318]

>>14005284
Are you angry?

[Anonymous No.14005320]

>>14005279
Sure

[Anonymous No.14005326]

>>14005305
Exactly! I teach English at a midsized public regional university. Dreaming of moving to Montana or Idaho. The problem is: with all of the romanticizing of a quiet rural life on this thread, but my question is: what do you plan on doing for a living? There are fewer and fewer jobs outside of urban areas.

[Anonymous No.14005330]

>>14003399
>contemplate the divine until death,

Worse than being a hedonist

[Anonymous No.14005333]

>>14003415
Why whitehead

[Anonymous No.14005338]

>>14004274
this is good advice anon. Stripping things down to the core basics that fulfil us and slowly working back up from there is a very effective way of finding one’s bearings when things begin to feel awry.

We are simpler creatures than we think

[Anonymous No.14005345]

>>14005326
It’s definitely romantic. Might be time to revisit Young Goodman Brown and former ideas of nature as something to be conquered or threatening. I think it’s probably more romantic simply to get off the hamster wheel, I’d say save up a good chunk and just get some land. You’ll be pretty poor but you COULD be happier. It’s better to risk than to shirk in silence forever.

[Anonymous No.14005354]

>>14005318

Not boiling hot, petulant incel rage, but yes I am fucking angry. I have to constantly work myself up into it though, I'm a naturally peaceful person, it doesn't take much for me to find joy in little things like animals and plants, but I feel like I'll betray my love for these simple things if I don't scratch 'til I die. These things are DYING, dude. And for what? Burgerpunk as far as the eye can we, burgerpunk on the moon, burgerpunk on Mars.

Listen: people with families, people like that anon up there who wants to move back to rural Mass, I don't have a problem with that. More power to them. But someone has to do something, right? Why doesn't someone take one for the team?

[Anonymous No.14005370]

>>14005345

False dichotomy friend, I've probably lived close to the state of nature than anyone itt. And even then it was just for a few years in a village as a child. I'm not here to romanticize nature, all I know it is it is REAL

[Anonymous No.14005372]

>>14005354
Everything is always dying, the universe will collapse into heat death eventually. If you don’t have kids why do you even give a shit? Seriously man, entropy is just natural. It sounds like you have more issues regarding the neo-lib shit culture which sure, it’s pretty gay. But life has always sucked for all people. So what?

[Anonymous No.14005379]

>>14005370
Just as real as anything else. I’m not even being snarky.

[Anonymous No.14005404]

>>14005372

What do you mean, so what? The top gets to consume with impunity while us lumpenproles comfort ourselves with visions of heat death? Is this what you want?

There is nothing more insidious - and convenient - than a cosmology that serves the status quo.

That said, you're absolutely right things are bad, so why make it worse?

[Anonymous No.14005406]

>>14005379
>>14005370
Sorry went back and reread that and it read like I was a total asshole, I guess it is a bit of a false dichotomy but this is the way we (humans) tend to think about our lives for whatever reason, in excesses. I do it all the fuckin time. Hope you’re doin well my nigga.

[Anonymous No.14005413]

>>14005379
Real as in, optimal for human flourishing? Real as in, it doesn't feed human striving, culture, and energy to perpetuate a system that renders the majority of humanity superfluous? No, not like everything else

[Anonymous No.14005418]

>>14005406
You're fine friend, it's all good

[Anonymous No.14005430]

>>14005404
You’re getting it. Roll out that last sentence and ruminate. It could expand into your new philosophy, I’m grateful I wasn’t born in the third world, on some level I owe it to them to enjoy my life, isn’t it a betrayal to negate my privilege when so many in history have suffered, when every small advancement made was to get humanity here, a place of safety and stability ( even if that stability is a cartoonish freak show it’s better than death and violence ) I’m not even being ironic when I tell you I’m gonna enjoy a Big Mac tonight, for my starving friends in Ethiopia.

[Anonymous No.14005438]

>>14003399
Don't give up achieving success at 30. I've seen people make it in their 40s.

[Anonymous No.14005464]

>>14005430

I'm not going to shit on you for this attitude. I was like this for a bit. If I worked, saved up, worked out, and read, I felt that I was owed the fruits of this system - and I was, I was pulling my weight after all, and not just in the boomer sense. Body, mind, and spirit, from the top-down, things were clean and they were amazing, I can't front on that lifestyle.

But then I saw things I shouldn't have seen. Sorry for the cringe line but it's true. It just feels like I'm resigning myself to a very comfortable and delicious mediocrity. Is that pathological capitalistic need to succeed and be recognized for ones achievements something that has metastasized into a resistance because it could not satisfy itself in the more "traditional" arenas of recognition? Who the fuck knows

[Anonymous No.14005505]

>>14005464
That’s an interesting question and I think I can safely say for some people, yes. For me realizing the current state of politics pulls from no traditions at all and is mostly metastasized like you said out of various psychological makeups rather than the true communist/materialist tradition was a big thing. Fishers capitalist realism unironically put into perspective where things stand, and made me less radical sense I didn’t feel there was any genuine fight to be had. Most people don’t really wanna blow up the system, they just want more CEOs with vaginas. You’re confronting yourself now, because that’s all there is. And that’s really hard to do. But hey, you’re an interesting guy and not too unlike myself.for what it’s worth I hope you find happiness, it might have to come from paces you don’t expect. I don’t think the way I have mine is necessarily right for you but, it might be time to look outside of the framework of materialist philosophy altogether man. Feel better friend.

[Anonymous No.14005596]

>>14004782
I think a vegan diet is good insofar as it forces you to get enough fibre. Gut health is real.

[Anonymous No.14005743]

>>14004714
wish more people cared about animals like we did. knowing how we treat billions of sentient creatures each year, alongside the suffering already inherent to nature, makes me want to nuke our entire planet and end the misery which marks the physical plane

[Anonymous No.14005795]

>>14004945
That's cool. I've studied at three colleges here (Colorado, Texas, and Washington) and none lent books, so I extrapolated. Sorry to make a generalization when I apparently don't know what I'm talking about

[Anonymous No.14005864]

>>14005743
I agree 110%, nature is cruel enough, why optimize that cruelty?

[Anonymous No.14005871]

Are we really having a fucking veganism thread right now?

[Anonymous No.14006013]

Vegans are fags

[Anonymous No.14006044]

I live on a farm in Lithuania. AMA

[Anonymous No.14006080]

>>14003433
What is the explanantion of your pic?
Can you explain please

[Anonymous No.14006142]

>>14006080
It is the Kabbalah/Tree of Life. Every node is a different divine principle.

[Anonymous No.14006144]

>>14006142
That isn't christian. I am NOT bringing this home to mom and pop

[Anonymous No.14006158]

>>14003399
[Fight, young son.]

[Anonymous No.14006192]

>>14003399
evil doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.14006568]

I didn't read through the whole thread so excuse me if I miss some points
You don't want the "simple" life you describe, otherwise you wouldn't be in such a state of confusion. I was in the same place, although a little earlier when I turned 21-22. The traditional path of life is something I inherently knew from childhood that I would never have. I only felt awake and aware in observation, not action. When I had my crisis I was tired of only watching, but through this I learned that I don't want to participate in the alternative either. I considered retreating into the woods, focus on my interests and art, but I had a fire inside that could not be pacified. First anger, I felt wronged and powerless to prevent the evil and deception from continuing. The worst came when reading about an Israeli war, I'm a Christian Palestinian, and when Israel was almost at the brink of destruction they literally threatened the west that they would start a nuclear war and destroy the planet before they would accept defeat. How could I do anything to stop something so entrenched? How could I just accept our place in the world why the ones who created my condition walk free? Local politics in my country on the otherside of the world wasn't any better. Extremely disfunctionable, bent on promoting destructive consumption and materialism while gorging on money until death. Anything I would say would be attacked for being delusional and fueled by resentment

What then? What else is there to do but leave it all behind? Like you I almost reached that point. But to get personal, one night on the edge of sleep I was given a vision. From whom I cannot say. It was a figure, hard to make out his face but his presence gave me the same feeling I had as a child running into my fathers arms. The opposite side of the room felt freezing cold, and everything in my body screamed at me to run from it towards the figure. Only one word was spoken, "fight". I shot up afterwards and it all went away

I will use my body as a physical barrier if I have to. I will not face death without my dignity

[Anonymous No.14006571]

>>14006568
Thank you for sharing, anon. Many of you have given me a lot to think about. Thank you again.

[Anonymous No.14006725]

>>14003399
>Go full ascetic and contemplate the divine until death
Haven't you done this already? What have you been doing for 30 years?

[Anonymous No.14006736]

If you have to ask 4chan you probably aren't the chosen one. Confronting your mediocrity as you age in poverty could be the most miserable of all possibilities.

[Anonymous No.14006745]

>>14006736
Who said anyone itt was? Can Americans read anything without projecting some kind of narcissistic motive?

[Anonymous No.14006753]

>>14006745
>Can Americans read anything without projecting some kind of narcissistic motive?
No. Americans are self absorbed simpletons whose brains have all rotted away by consuming far too much digital media. I am speaking from experience, as an American myself. We are all retards. No exceptions.

[Anonymous No.14006756]

>>14006745
I'm not American.

Whatever, if you want to do nothing, go ahead. I'm just surprised at how gormless you come across, you're 30 and you're asking a bunch of college boys what you should do with your life. You are SLOW.

[Anonymous No.14006775]

>>14006756

Which major, all-important milestone that never existed before the 1950s did I miss?

[Anonymous No.14006856]

>>14003934
Seriously go see someone, a therapist, a priest, a prostitute, but see someone. You will have a breakdown at this rate, at the very least you want to keep going until you've payed off your debt.