Best translation

[Anonymous No.13999737]

I finished Moby Dick this week and it made me want to read the Bible. What's the best translation for someone who wants the authentic experience (so no KJV shit)
Doesn't necessarily have to be in English, I understand Portuguese and Spanish as well

[Anonymous No.13999760]

>>13999737
>authentic experience
>not KJV
Unless you're going to read the Septuagint OT and Koine NT, then KJV is your next best option.

[Anonymous No.13999761]

>>13999737
we have this thread every.single.fucking.day.

[Anonymous No.13999769]

>>13999761
I'm sick of asking on /qa/ for a religion board. I don't think it's ever going to happen unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.13999778]

>>13999737
Retard-tier: KJV.
Pleb-tier: Douay-Rheims; Torres-Amat.
Patrician-tier: Vulgata.
Legendary-tier: Septuagint + Greek NT.
GOD-tier: Hebrew-Greek Bible.

[Anonymous No.13999788]

>>13999760
>anglican trash

No thanks

[Anonymous No.13999789]

>>13999737
DONT READ A PROTESTANT BIBLE. The Douay-Rheims Bible is your best bet for English.

[Anonymous No.13999796]

>>13999769
we need a leftypol board to clean up a lot of trash too

[Anonymous No.13999801]

>>13999788
I'm not Anglican but practically all the literary references use KJV, so it makes sense to read that one.

[Anonymous No.13999813]

Wtf I finished Moby dick LAST week and it made me want to read the Bible
So I ordered the Everyman’s KJV

[Anonymous No.13999815]

>>13999769
It would honestly just turn into a fucking shit show

[Anonymous No.13999829]

>>13999815
Better than turning every other board into a fucking shit show.

[Anonymous No.13999837]

>>13999769
No shit it's never going to happen, you retards want every board to be split six ways to Sunday.

[Anonymous No.13999844]

/lit/ is a KJV board
Ever since cripplechan got shoah'd all these /christian/ refugees keep shilling douay-rheims and rsv2ce.

[Anonymous No.13999909]

>know hebrew

this is the truest of feels

desu for the old testament get a torah. the english translations don't have the problem of having to be consistent with the new testament and generally are more open with untranslatability or least meaning for some words and have a nice number of footnotes. it's also paralell to the (supposedly) hebrew which is nice.

the oldest hebrew text we know is from a greek dual-languager though so it may have been corrupted since then. perhaps there is an older, more authentic version out there still waiting to be discovered

[Anonymous No.13999965]

>>13999844
/christian/ was literally 90% protestant, what the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.13999999]

KJV is the best.

[Anonymous No.14000023]

>>13999999
Well there we have it boys

[Anonymous No.14000026]

>>13999844
>Mixing catholicism with Christianity

[Anonymous No.14000027]

>>13999999
Guess it's settled.

[Anonymous No.14000029]

>>13999999
holy...

[Anonymous No.14000034]

>>13999999
brb, throwing away my NRSV

[Anonymous No.14000038]

>>13999965
Funniest thing is most of /christian/ migrated to discord and instituted a policy of banning anybody from /pol/ and /leftypol/. Eventually /lit/ also got the shovel because people were getting pissed at them for being so unread.

[Anonymous No.14000039]

>>13999999
wasted digits. fucking worst translation.

[Anonymous No.14000045]

is there a recommended guide to reading the bible? it doesn't seem like a book you read from start to finish, and it could take months.

[Anonymous No.14000046]

>>13999965
/christian/ had Roman Catholic mods that banned Reformed Christians and even some Orthodox.
/christianity/ was different

[Anonymous No.14000049]

>>14000045
Start with the Gospels.

[Anonymous No.14000057]

>>14000045
Yes, that's easy, just start with the Greek

[Anonymous No.14000078]

>>14000045
Reading 4 passages; 2 from the OT and 2 from the NT every day is the classical plan and only takes 15 minutes a day and you can complete the entire bible in 6 months.

[Anonymous No.14000083]

>>14000078
When you say passages do you mean each numbered section?

[Anonymous No.14000096]

>>13999999
Absolutely based, the KJV is one of the canonical texts of the English language. If you’re reading books in English you need to have a knowledge of the LJV Bible. It’s beautiful.

[Anonymous No.14000103]

>>14000045
>is there a recommended guide to reading the bible?
The old M'cheyne reading plan will take you through the OT once and NT twice in one year.
https://www.mcheyne.info/calendar.pdf

[Anonymous No.14000104]

>>14000045
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1-14&version=KJV

If you can read this amount every day it actually only takes 90 days to read the complete Bible.

>>14000083
Uh, passages are kinda hard to explain, they're a artificial way to divide up the bible.

This is the 6 month plan https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+1-2%2C+Matthew+1-2&version=KJV

[Anonymous No.14000117]

>>13999999

[Anonymous No.14000131]

>>14000096
>the KJV is one of the canonical texts of the English language.
nah, shakespeare didn't even use it
>If you’re reading books in English you need to have a knowledge of the LJV Bible.
nope, any bible will suffice. also >LJV kek learn to spell faggot

[Anonymous No.14000133]

And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;

2 That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.

3 All these were joined together in the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea.

4 Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled.

is this fucking lotr or what?

[Anonymous No.14000144]

>>14000131
>nah, shakespeare didn't even use it
Eh, he used the Bishops' Bible which is the base text for the KJV and reads very similar.

[Anonymous No.14000153]

>>14000144
no he used geneva bible stupid faggot

[Anonymous No.14000170]

>>14000153
Doubtful, the Geneva bible wasn't used in Churches in England.

[Anonymous No.14000202]

>>13999999
It's settled then, we can stop having this thread every day

[Anonymous No.14000227]

>>14000131
>shakespeare didn't even use it
He wrote it.

[Anonymous No.14000317]

>>13999965
t.didnt browse /christian/
It was 25% prot TOPS

[Anonymous No.14000351]

>>14000317
I’m sure most of the baptist shitposters weren’t actually baptists.

[Anonymous No.14000432]

>>13999999
>God does not play dice

[Anonymous No.14000877]

>>13999737
Orthodox Study Bible

[Anonymous No.14001023]

A link to the true bible translation: https://ebible.org/hwcNT/
And some quotes:
>You wen hear da story bout Jesus? He da Christ, da Spesho Guy God Wen Send. He Godʼs Boy. Dis da time da Good Kine Stuff Bout Christ wen start happening.
>Da Devil Try Make Jesus Do Bad Kine Stuff
(Matthew 4:1-11; Luke 4:1-13)
12 Right afta dat, Godʼs Spirit wen make Jesus go inside da boonies. 13 Had wild animals ova dea. Jesus, he wen stay dea forty days. Da Devil try presha him fo make him do bad kine stuff, but he neva. An had angel messenja guys from God dat wen come an take care him.
>Da Baby Sheep Guy Broke Open Da Numba One Seal
1 Den, jalike one dream, I wen see da Baby Sheep Guy broke open da numba one seal from da seven seals on top da paper. Den I wen hear one a da four tings dat stay alive talk wit one loud voice dat sound jalike thunder. He tell, “Start now awready!” 2 Den, eh! I wen look an see one white horse. Had one guy on top um wit one bow fo shoot arrow. He wen get one crown. An he wen go out jalike one army guy fo fight an win agains da guys dat hate him.
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.14001035]

>>13999999
Graced and breadpilled

[Anonymous No.14001217]

>>14001023
>Jesus wen cry.
- John 11:35
>God wen get so plenny love an aloha fo da peopo inside da world, dat he wen send me, his one an ony Boy, so dat everybody dat trus me no get cut off from God, but get da real kine life dat stay to da max foeva.
- John 3:16
Truly sublime, it's really the only translation for the serious seeker

[Anonymous No.14001464]

>>13999788
I mean, if hes reading it to better get moby, KJV is probably best seeing how thats probably what melville was familiar with.

[Anonymous No.14001725]

>>14000133
It's almost like Tolkien was a Catholic or something.

[Anonymous No.14001733]

>>14000227
Don't send people down the Psalm 46 rabbithole.

[Anonymous No.14002323]

>>13999999
BASED

[Anonymous No.14002364]

The Bible is crap, but the poetry of the translators of the KJV made it readable, and more than readable. It is the translation itself that is canon, not the book itself.

[Anonymous No.14002379]

>>13999909
>the oldest Hebrew text we know is from a Greek dual-languager
Is that correct? The oldest complete Hebrew Bible is the Leningrad Codex which doesn't include Greek. The earliest fragments are the Qumran Scrolls which aren't dual-language.

[Anonymous No.14003004]

>>13999999
Blessed post

[Anonymous No.14003016]

>>14002364
Have to agree. Most of it definitely doesn't have much literary value if you're not reading KJV

[Anonymous No.14003023]

>>14001023
>jalike
what a great word

[Anonymous No.14003044]

>>13999788
Cathbro here. KJV is fine outside of a few mistranslated bits but I’d recommend Dhuoay Rheims personally.

[Anonymous No.14003096]

>>14000432
That's not what that means, retard

[Anonymous No.14003232]

>>14003096
Does it mean God does or doesn't check dubs, grant gets, et cetera?

[Anonymous No.14004294]

>>14003096
Exactly you inbred mong, that's part of the joke.

[Anonymous No.14004349]

>>14000046
The mods made the board significantly better before 8ch@n went offline. When the board first came up half of the threads were protestants antagonizing catholics or other protestants.

[Anonymous No.14004358]

>>13999760
>>13999789
>>13999813
>>13999999
>>14000096

Let me put this into perspective.
KJV is an okay bible. But it is far from the most accurate translation for a modern reader.

>Point 1
You don't speak 17th century English. You speak 21st century English.
Therefore, a better translation is one that speaks in a modern tone, regardless of if it is translating thought for thought over translating word for word.

>Point 2
Archaeology now has revealed things that change our understanding of the cultural, historical, and linguistic nuances of the Bible. KJV is literally outdated by 400 years. Thus making it far less accurate than modern translations.

>Point 3
KJV doesn't do any one thing particularly well.
If you want a bible that is easily readable, that you can take with you to a small group, and is widely read, NIV is your best bet.
If you want a more scholarly Bible that is a more literal translation of the text for use in personal study, NASB and ESV study bibles what you want.
KJV does neither of those things well.

The KJV bible is outdated, inaccurate and doesn't fulfill any need a modern person has for their Bible and the only people who use it are pompous morons who claim that its the best translation because its the first, which is like saying an anatomy textbook from the 50s is better because its 1st edition.

[Anonymous No.14004371]

>>14004358
It's a Great work of English literature. The same certainly can't be said for any other version of the Bible

[Anonymous No.14004401]

>>14004371
>English literature

[Anonymous No.14004416]

>>14004401
>image
Thanks for announcing yourself, but it really wasn't necessary.

[Anonymous No.14004505]

>>13999999

Witnessed.

[Anonymous No.14004728]

[Anonymous No.14004858]

>>14004358
Archaic 2nd person pronouns help to render the biblical languages more accurately though. Despite possibly incorporating some more recent finds in textual research, new translations sometimes end up rendering things less literally and also remove the frequent conjuctions. Also not everyone agrees with the rendering of 'virgin' in Isaiah 7:14 as "young woman".

Some people might prefer for their Bible to be a special book to go back in time with, and possess a more historically conservative tone, with readings that challenge interpretation for the sake of preserving literalness.

[Anonymous No.14004916]

>>14004858
People forget that in the KJV there's a difference between "you" and "thou."

[Anonymous No.14005029]

>>14004349
Yeah sure running a Catholicentric autocracy based on "the Constantinopolitan definition of the Chalcedonian creed" and arbitrarily banning everything deemed contrary except for when they need them to reply to their repeated bait for shits n' giggles until it becomes too much of a personal confliction on their convictions so they delete it.

[Anonymous No.14005845]

knox translation. NABRE for the footnotes. NRSV w/ apo. HarperCollins edition

ignore protcuck trash. report protcuck threads. do not speak to heretic protcuck posters

[Anonymous No.14005957]

>>13999737
Read it in Hebrew, without the "new testament" of course.

[Anonymous No.14005963]

>>13999737
>translation
KEK learn hebrew and greek pleb

[Anonymous No.14006616]

>>14004358
>KJV is the first Bible translation

[Anonymous No.14006618]

>>14005963
*Latin

[Anonymous No.14006721]

>>14004916

this distinction doesn't exit in the Hebrew though

[Anonymous No.14006731]

>>13999737
Douay-Rheims

[Anonymous No.14007359]

>>14006721
It does in Greek though. IIRC the Old Testament is all "thou".

[Anonymous No.14007986]

>>13999999

[Anonymous No.14008002]

Did god really create the universe in 7 days or is 7 days mistranslated? If it is mistranslated how can that be so when just before god defines the difference between light and dark as day and night?

[Anonymous No.14008008]

>>14008002
its 7 days

[Anonymous No.14008033]

>>13999737

Is there an epub of the KJV Bible that doesn't interrupt the reading experience with giant numbers before every verse? Like the NASB where verse numbers are kept small and each verse is not a new line.
...Or am I just a gigantic pleb?

[Anonymous No.14008047]

>>14008002
Depends, in the Syriac he did it in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

[Anonymous No.14008056]

>>14008002
The story of creation is very much figurative, a piece of Hebrew poetry with immense symbolic importance. It speaks of man's relation to God and Creation. Is it then important that it isn't a cosmology textbook?

[Anonymous No.14008065]

What about German translations? Any anon gets some insights on those?

[Anonymous No.14008133]

>>14008065
The latest update of the Luther Bibel

[Anonymous No.14008253]

>>14008056
>The story of creation is very much figurative
Augustine disagrees

[Anonymous No.14008380]

>>14004728
>with apocrypha

[Anonymous No.14009149]

>>14006721
What are you talking about; of course it does along with other ancient languages and even applies distinction between gender to these as well.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%9C%D6%BE#Hebrew
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%AA#Hebrew
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%AA#Aramaic
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vos#Latin

[Anonymous No.14009189]

>>14002379
Probably referring to the Secunda transliteration in the Hexapla.

[Anonymous No.14009208]

If you want a serious answer OP, the best version of the bible to read for a LITERARY scholar is The Oxford Annotated Bible.

[Anonymous No.14009341]

>>14008033
This site has different types of files for the KJV and various other translations.
https://ebible.org/

[Anonymous No.14009453]

>>13999737
If you want more details on why pretty much all current English bible versions are corrupt except for KJV, then watch the documentary before it gets offed on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFtI_mVOXbQ

[Anonymous No.14010135]

>>13999737
kjv is accurate. why don't you think it is? also it's the one melville read.

[Anonymous No.14010149]

>>14009208
>Bible-as-literature
>NRSV

[Anonymous No.14010197]

>>14004358
>You don't speak 17th century English. You speak 21st century English
it's the same language. shakespeare, donne, marlowe, bacon, etc all wrote around the same time as the kjv and all are perfectly intelligible. you don't need "modern english" editions of them, so why would you need a "modern english" edition of the bible? the spelling differences are mostly rectified by the 1759 standardized text.

[Anonymous No.14010525]

>>14008002
The word translated as day can mean any period of time.
>>14008253
but Irenaeus does agree

[Anonymous No.14010737]

>>14010525
What is the I'm assuming hebrew word meaning any period of time?

[Anonymous No.14010791]

>>14010525
>>14010737

That's not fucking true. The word used in Hebrew, "ימים/יום" means day and only day.

[Anonymous No.14011015]

[Anonymous No.14011018]

Obligatory

[Anonymous No.14011596]

>>14007359
Nope, God and the serpent are the first to "yous" the second person plural in the Torah.
https://biblehub.com/text/genesis/1-29.htm

What Biblical Hebrew had and also possibly other Semitic languages was only having the perfect and imperfect tense.

[Anonymous No.14011891]

>>13999761
Lad, this is a Christian imageboard and the Bible is top notch literature.

[Anonymous No.14012047]

>>14007359
1. old test is not greek.

2. there's no T/V distinction when addressing God in the Hebrew especially in the psalms.

just admit you're a LARPer who likes "ye old timey words"

[Anonymous No.14012247]

>>14012047
It's not about using 'thou' only when it addresses God like some 20th century translations were doing before they stopped. The Hebrew does indeed have a plural and singular second person distinction.

[Anonymous No.14012514]

>>14012047
>ye
þe.

[Anonymous No.14012751]

>>14009189
I see. Still, the Qumran manuscripts are older.

[Anonymous No.14012769]

>>14012751
The DSS have some old Septuagint fragments. There are a few older than those.

[Anonymous No.14012969]

>>14001023
>Eh! You rich peopo! Listen! Mo betta you cry plenny now, an feel sad! Cuz bumbye, you goin suffa plenny fo shua. All da rich kine stuff you get, auwe! awready no good. Yoa clotheses, auwe! da bugs wen eat um up awready. All da gold an silva stuff you get, auwe! awready get rust all ova. Wen you guys stand in front God da Judge, dat rust goin be jalike one picha fo show everybody how you guys stay pilau inside, an dat goin eat up yoa body jalike da fire. Da world goin pau, you know! But still yet, you guys like stash plenny stuffs fo yoaself!
Confirmed best.

[Anonymous No.14012978]

>>13999737
Let's give this bible thread a twist.
>What is your favorite PUBLIC DOMAIN translation of the bible?

[Anonymous No.14012995]

>>13999737

>wants to read bible because of Moby Dick
>doesn't want to read bible that Melville would have read

You're an idiot

[Anonymous No.14013722]

>>14004358
By reading the KJV as well as Shakespeare we help to keep seventeenth century English words and usages alive and current, making our vocabulary larger and richer than it would otherwise be.

[Anonymous No.14013734]

>not reading the Bible in the original Latin
Why even bother at all?

[Anonymous No.14013746]

>>14013722
This. I pity those whose English is so limited that they cannot appreciate some of the greatest works in that language.