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13991817 No.13991817 [Reply] [Original]

What's your honest opinion of Bob Dylan winning a Nobel prize in literature?

>> No.13991829

Jew horseshit

>> No.13991837

>>13991817
The Nobel prize is completely meaningless and I like Dylan's music so my feelings are vaguely positive

>> No.13991846

>>13991817
Leonard Cohen was robbed.

>> No.13991856

>>13991829
-------------------> https://www.reddit.com/r/the_donald

>> No.13991867

>>13991817
He's a good writer.

>> No.13991872
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13991872

They'll (yes, They) do anything to avoid confronting the scat scene.

>> No.13991879

The Nobel prize hardly means anything

>> No.13991908

adorno was right

>> No.13992078

>>13991817
Who is Bob Dylan and why are you posting a picture of Shabtai Zissel?

>> No.13992107

>>13991817
His lyrics are better than the majority of lit publish nowadays, so I don't mind that he got it.

>> No.13992303

THE SUN ISNT YELLOW ITS....

CHICKEN..

>> No.13992751

>>13991829
He's the greatest lyricist in musical history (yes better than Cohen) but it's weird to give the prize to someone whose writings are meant to set to music. Like someone said, it's just hippie nostalgia.

>> No.13992917

>>13991817
I appreciate what he has done for music even if hes not my taste, and he has written novels but going through Tarantula was a headache. Dylan was a hippie who did a shitload of drugs and it made his lyrics as incomprehensible as his mind is now. Not sure he was Nobel material, but perhaps if they gave one for Music.

>> No.13992947

>>13992303
One of his best lines

>> No.13992950

>>13991817
I don't care about any sort of prize or award but Dylan is cool so I guess this is cool

>> No.13993199

>>13991856
Donald Trump is the biggest Jew lover since George w Bush

>> No.13993214

If they were going to pick a musician I suppose Dylan was one of the better choices. It certainly could have been worse.

>> No.13993319

>>13991817
He's good at understanding people and writing lyrics, but his world view is pretty off. So are many writers so I support the decision even if it was populist

>> No.13993336

He’s a great writer, but I get being annoyed by the win if you think it should exclude lyrics - although I’m not sure why this should be the case anyway.

>> No.13993436

He totally deserved it but he deserved it in 1967. Giving it to him in 2016 or whenever it was is just nostalgia. Isn't the Nobel Prize for Literature supposed to be to reward an up-and-coming writer, or at least one who has recently made a notably contribution to world literature, not some sort of life award thing? I feel a bit off about Handke for the same reason. I'm not aware that he's written anything of note recently.

>> No.13993455

>>13992751
newsom writes circles around him.
many of dylan's songs can either be categorized as folk made palatable for retarded petty-bourgeoise uni students (most of his pre-electric work, his protest songs especially) or recycled modernist platitudes reinforcing humanity's reduction to economic objectivity (biabh side 1, hw61r, BoB; the worst offenders are desolation row and ballad of a thin man). many are also plain terrible, like everything after 1968 with a few minor exceptions.

>> No.13994984

>>13992303
never got this one

>> No.13994999

>>13993436
> Isn't the Nobel Prize for Literature supposed to be to reward an up-and-coming writer, or at least one who has recently made a notably contribution to world literature, not some sort of life award thing?
It's more of a life-award thing but it depends. At the very least nobody can be expected to be given it twice, it's generally given to pretty old writers, it isn't given for a single book but for a writer's entire career. So in all those respects it's more of a life achievement award.

>> No.13995017

Dylan totally deserved the Oscar just for Jimmy Hendricks’s guitar solo on ‘There Must Be Some Kinder Way Outer Ear’

>> No.13995032

>>13991817
who's bob dylan?

>> No.13995040

>>13994984
Yellow for cowardly
Chicken for cowardly

>> No.13995149

>>13992078
based

>> No.13995168

>>13995040
So the sun isn't cowardly... it's cowardly?

>> No.13995215

Its fine. His lyrics in many of his early songs are better than any poet of the last 4+ decades.

Gates of Eden, Ma, I'm Only Bleeding, With God On our Side, Love Minus Zero and more. Amazing writing.

>> No.13995250

Song writing is still writing and he was the best songwriter ever. That being said, songwriting is significantly easier than writing a novel. Overall, I like that the committee expanded the scope of writing for this award.

>> No.13995305

>>13991817
It's basically a common feature of postmodernism. There are no rules: songwriting is literature, ha ha! It's a way to destroy the structures of society, weaken them, make them make less sense, confuse the populace, and in that vortex of chaos take power.

>> No.13995551

It's a point of propaganda, like his entire career.

>> No.13995577

>>13995305
Songwriting is the origin of poetry though. But I agree the Nobel comittee fucked up there. Trying too hard to be relevant.

>> No.13995593

>>13995168
It's psychedelia dude so naturally his lyrics became absurd.

>> No.13995606

>>13995250
>Fitting the chords just right
>Finding the best delivery possible
>Easy

This literally takes hours and hours on end for just one song

>> No.13995633

>>13991817
Honestly, what did you expect from the boomers?

>> No.13995739

[Verse 1]
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a gypsy queen
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle all dressed in green
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle till the moon is blue
Wiggle till the moon sees you

[Verse 2]
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle in your boots and shoes
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, you got nothing to lose
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a swarm of bees
Wiggle on your hands and knees

[Verse 3]
Wiggle to the front, wiggle to the rear
Wiggle till you wiggle right out of here
Wiggle till it opens, wiggle till it shuts
Wiggle till it bites, wiggle till it cuts

[Verse 4]
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle—you can raise the dead

[Verse 5]
Wiggle till you’re high, wiggle till you’re higher
Wiggle till you vomit fire
Wiggle till it whispers, wiggle till it hums
Wiggle till it answers, wiggle till it comes

[Verse 6]
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like satin and silk
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a pail of milk
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle, rattle and shake
Wiggle like a big fat snake

Wow, what a genius.

>> No.13995759

This opens for bad interpretation later on, which means Kanye West can win it later on. That will be the final destruction of the prize.

>> No.13995789

>>13991817
Dumb.

If they wanted to give a literature award to a an artsy songwriter why not Scott Walker. Every song on “Bish Bosch” needs pages of footnotes.

>> No.13995923

>>13991817
it's one of those things that had to be done but you don't particularly enjoy it when it happens

like washing the dishes

>> No.13995978

>>13995606
>The song was written by White during the filming of It Might Get Loud, a documentary featuring White, after he and director Davis Guggenheim had discussed that songs nowadays are over-prepared and over-produced. Guggenheim, however, disagreed, and White wrote and recorded "Fly Farm Blues" in ten minutes.[2][3] The song was used in the soundtrack for It Might Get Loud.
You're spending too much time on it. Dylan was also highly prolific and quick in his writing. Many of the songs on Blonde on Blonde and Highway 61 were written in the studio the same day the band was recording. I respect songwriting a lot and am glad Dylan won, but it is not comparable to writing a novel.

>> No.13995984

>>13995739
>let me pick an example of the worst song by a highly prolific writer, that will prove my point

>> No.13996013

>>13995984
Give an example of a good one... I’ll wait.

>> No.13996032

>>13996013
>The guilty undertaker sighs
>The lonesome organ grinder cries
>The silver saxophones say I should refuse you
>The cracked bells and washed-out horns
>Blow into my face with scorn, but it's
>Not that way, I wasn't born to lose you
>The drunken politician leaps
>Upon the street where mothers weep
>And the saviors who are fast asleep, they wait for you
>And I wait for them to interrupt
>Me drinkin' from my broken cup
>And ask me to open up the gate for you
>How all my fathers, they've gone down
>True love they've been without it
>But all their daughters put me down
>'Cause I don't think about it

>> No.13996056

>>13996013
>The judge, he holds a grudge
>He's gonna call on you
>But he's badly built and he walks on stilts
>Watch out he don't fall on you

Like that's not something Samuel Johnson or Swift or something would like

>> No.13996099

>>13991817
Looking forward to Peter Handke's Grammy award next year.

>> No.13996109

>>13996056
Wtf does that even mean?
Pls explain

>> No.13996113

>>13996032
Let me forget about today UNTILtomorrow

>> No.13996131

>>13996109
People with authority do not always know what they are doing properly and can harm you thru their ignorance

>> No.13996157

Read the lyrics to Chimes of Freedom. If it's not poetry, what is it?
He unironically deserved it.

>> No.13996894

>>13992751
>He's the greatest lyricist in musical history
really dude

>> No.13997068

nobel prize in literature has often not been given to the best writers but those who inspired the spirit of a particular generation, within the tradition of literature. Did Camus really deserve the prize? Bob dylan is a flawed figure but still exceptional. No popular figure of his magnitude respected and cherished the spirit of the artist and the tradition of american literature more than him. Within in, albiet a little demented, is the spirit of the Beats, who themselves carried on from the likes ofWhitman. Sure the beats werent great but many of them did truly love the tradition of literature and tried earnestly to carry on the legacy of their forebearers. in the same way, Bob Dylan tried to do the same. Very few people today have this kind of love in them. Just look at Atwood.

>> No.13997162

>>13996032
>>13996056
>>13996109
Bob Dylan is just a bunch of satanic automatic writing nonsense. Dude sold his soul so that he could have a music career despite sounding like a baked bumble bee.

Fuck Jews.

>> No.13997215

>>13997162
and fuck you. theres no virtue in being a philistine

>> No.13997442

He deserved it more than Hussein obummer deserved the peace prize

>> No.13997814

>>13995984

"Man Gave Names To All The Animals"

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.

He saw an animal that liked to growl
Big furry paws and he liked to howl
Great big furry back and furry hair
"Ah, think I'll call it a bear".

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.

He saw an animal up on a hill
Chewing up so much grass until she was filled
He saw milk coming out but he didn't know how
"Ah, think I'll call it a cow".

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.

He saw an animal that liked to snort
Horns on his head and they weren't too short
It looked like there wasn't nothing that he couldn't pull
"Ah, I'll think I'll call it a bull".

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.
He saw an animal leaving a muddy trail
Real dirty face and a curly trail
He wasn't too small and he wasn't too big
"Ah, think I'll call it a pig".

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.

Next animal that he did meet
Had wool on his back and hooves on his feet
Eating grass on a mountainside so steep
"Ah, think I'll call it a sheep".

Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, in the beginning
Man gave names to all the animals
In the beginning, long time ago.

He saw an animal as smooth as glass
Slithering his way through the grass
Saw him dissappear by a tree near a lake .....

Patrician and poignant at the same time.

>> No.13997824

>>13995984
"Beyond Here Lies Nothin'"

Oh well, I love you pretty baby
You're the only love I've ever known
Just as long as you stay with me
The whole world is my throne
Beyond here lies nothin'
Nothin' we can call our own

Well, I'm movin' after midnight
Down boulevards of broken cars
Don't know what I'd do without it
Without this love that we call ours
Beyond here lies nothin'
Nothin' but the moon and stars

Down every street there's a window
And every window's made of glass
We'll keep on lovin' pretty baby
For as long as love will last
Beyond here lies nothin'
But the mountains of the past

Well, my ship is in the harbor
And the sails are spread
Listen to me, pretty baby
Lay your hand upon my head
Beyond here lies nothin'
Nothin' done and nothin' said

Get this, there's a window down every street and, stay with me here, every window's made of glass.

>> No.13997838

>>13995984
How about this one:

I was thinking' 'bout Alicia Keys, couldn't keep from crying
When she was born in Hell's Kitchen, I was living down the line
I'm wondering where in the world Alicia Keys could be
I have been looking for her even clear through Tennessee

>> No.13997860

>>13995984
[Verse 1]
There’s a whole lot of people suffering tonight
From the disease of conceit
Whole lot of people struggling tonight
From the disease of conceit
Comes right down the highway
Straight down the line
Rips into your senses
Through your body and your mind
Nothing about it that’s sweet
The disease of conceit

[Verse 2]
There’s a whole lot of hearts breaking tonight
From the disease of conceit
Whole lot of hearts shaking tonight
From the disease of conceit
Steps into your room
Eats your soul
Over your senses
You have no control
Ain’t nothing too discreet
About the disease of conceit

[Verse 3]
There’s a whole lot of people dying tonight
From the disease of conceit
Whole lot of people crying tonight
From the disease of conceit
Comes right out of nowhere
And you’re down for the count
From the outside world
The pressure will mount
Turn you into a piece of meat
The disease of conceit

[Bridge]
Conceit is a disease
That the doctors got no cure
They’ve done a lot of research on it
But what it is, they’re still not sure

[Verse 4]
There’s a whole lot of people in trouble tonight
From the disease of conceit
Whole lot of people seeing double tonight
From the disease of conceit
Give ya delusions of grandeur
And a evil eye
Give you the idea that
You’re too good to die
Then they bury you from your head to your feet
From the disease of conceit

2deep4me

>> No.13997865

>a prolific writer has some periods of shit and songs that suck
Shocker! Shakespeare also has some shit sonnets and bad lines. There are plenty of highlights posted in this thread as well.

>> No.13997873

>>13997865
I was shadow-boxing earlier in the day
I figured I was ready for Cassius Clay
I said, "Fee, fie, fo, fum, Cassius Clay, here I come
26, 27, 28, 29, I'm gonna make your face look just like mine
Five, four, three, two, one, Cassius Clay you'd better run
99, 100, 101, 102, your ma won't even recognize you
14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, gonna knock him clean right out of his spleen"

This man won a Nobel Prize.

>> No.13997891

Let's just be honest, the vast majority of his writing is comprised of nonsensical boomer bullshit.

>> No.13997924

>>13997873
You know Mozart wrote a song called lick me in my ass where he talked about shit and other immature things? I guess we have to dismiss Mozart now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leck_mich_im_Arsch

You know Shakespeare had some crappy sonnets that unironically look like they were wrote by an instagram thot? I guess we have to ditch Shakespeare now.

>> No.13997926

>>13997873
Over 50 years of songwriting is a feat

>> No.13998019

>>13997924
Talk about shitty lyrics...

Yes, everyone's aware of Mozart's fascination with scat. Had he been around after 1901, he shouldn't have won a Nobel Prize in literature either.

>> No.13998042

>>13998019
>if you write one bad line you should not be considered an influential artist
Kys

>> No.13998054

>>13998042
>greentexting shit I didn't say or imply

>> No.13998312

>>13998042
>>13998054
>using meme arrows

>> No.13998335

>>13998312
>calling NeonJewNoses 'meme arrows'

>> No.13998556

Wow, this thread became a drag. No way I'm reading through all this. Got some (you)s though but (you)s to the OP never feels quite as good

>> No.13998662

It's a joke, but when you actually look at the history of the prize, you realize the prize itself is a joke.

>> No.13998817

fuck bob dylan

>> No.13998914

Bob Dylan was a member of the Lubovitch Rebbe's cult for a disturbingly long period of time, so it basically what fpbp said.

>> No.13998952

>>13991817
He should have received it in '66, so it's been long overdue

>> No.13998974

>>13995040
>>13995168
>>13995593
Niggas it’s really not that weird, it’s just that a chicken is the same colour as the sun.

>> No.13999119

>>13998312
>>13998335
>>13998054
go back

>> No.14000016

>>13995215
>Gates of Eden
Based
Desire is great, too

>> No.14000043

>>13991817
well deserved.

>> No.14000060

>>13998952
Too early, but it is 40 years overdue

>> No.14000061

>>13992303
>My mother is a fish.

are non sequiturs like this the key to winning the Nobel?

>> No.14000075

>>14000061
What do you mean, are you saying your mother isn't a fish? Spooky.

>> No.14000156

>>13991817

He doesn't hold a candle to many foreign songwriters. Bob only stands out when compared to current English music

>> No.14000161

I feel that songwriting and poetry are not as related as people try to make them out to be. Poetry relies so much more on the meaning of the words than music; it's also generally subtler, especially in the case of Dylan. Yeah if you have to match the art forms poetry and music/lyric make the most sense, but that doesn't mean they're the same.

>> No.14000339

http://mileswmathis.com/dylan.pdf

Lot of interesting speculation here, but most of it is just speculation. I agree with the author that Dylan isn't believable as the author of the songs, though he may have written some of them. I'm still a big fan of a lot of "his" work though.

> be Leonard Cohen
> write highly personal shit
> sit down with interviewer and have an honest talk about what I was trying to express with X song, what it means to me, discuss earlier drafts, etc.

> be Bob Dylan
> write highly personal shit
> I don't know why I write the songs man, I just write them

Not believable to me.

>> No.14000723

>>14000156
Do tell me of these magnificent foreign songwriters you speak of. I bet they're shit.

>> No.14000731

>>14000339
Dylan is cultivating his persona when he says that. It's him pretending to be deep.

>> No.14000788

>>14000723

You wouldn't understand the lyrics anyway.

>> No.14000837

>>13997162
Haha fukn based. FUCK ZE JUICE haha

>> No.14000846

>>14000339
Rule number #1, never explain what you're doing.

>> No.14000858

>>14000788
GAY
name them

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>>13991846
>>13992751
>Blocks your path

>> No.14001015

>>14000978
Based.
>Townes Van Zandt is the best songwriter in the whole world and I'll stand on Bob Dylan's coffee table in my cowboy bootsand say that.

>> No.14001025
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>>14000788
>he's a lyricspleb

Lyrics are the least important part of music by far. If more than 50% of the music you listen to isn't instrumental you are a retarded person.

>> No.14001044

>>13992751
I prefer Slim Shady desu.

>> No.14001046

>>14000978
Snow don't fall
On summers time
Wind don't blow
Below the sea
My loves lies
'Neath frozen skies
And waits in sweet
Repose for me

>> No.14001058

>>13995606
If you're an idiot who lacks melody, maybe.

>> No.14001119

>>14000731
If he'd actually written the songs, he wouldn't have to pretend.

>>14000846
Fair enough, but as an artist you can talk about it. Cohen is a good example. Writing shit that comes straight from your heart and soul, releasing it to the public, and then refusing to talk about it doesn't add up to me.

I would encourage everyone who cares about Dylan to check out the link I posted.

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>>14001025

> Lyrics are the least important part of music by far
> Pic related shows the absolute state of the Anglo

No wonder Bobby won the fucking Nobel, it's like being the tallest guy in a midget shop.

>> No.14001251

>>13997838
Nigger that’s his best fucking song (Thunder on the Mountain for all the plebs)

>> No.14001256

>>13993455
I don’t get you.

Bob Dylan’s best album is Blood on the Tracks, which came out in 75. As he got older not everything was good but he always had diamonds in the rough, like “Every Grain of Sand” being on Shot of Love, which even the biggest Dylan fans cringe at as maybe his worst album all time.

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>>13991817
Morrissey is a better lyricist

>> No.14001412

>>14000788
So you have nothing then. Good talk.

>> No.14001641

>>14001256
This. I mean look at Brownsville Girl, even at his rock bottom mid 80s Dylan was capable.

>> No.14003067

>>13995739
Kek

>> No.14003070

>>14001274
I’m not the one you think I am...