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Really good Islamic article, references Heidegger, Spengler, Benjamin and more

>Basically, what we call a “technologically advanced society” is principally a society which has surrendered to the capitalist economic infrastructure and, more substantially, the neoliberal weltanschauung or paradigmatic superstructure; it reasserts the fact that technology is indeed a form of liturgy and rituality, and its religion might be considered to be (neo)liberalism and (ultra)capitalism, which is served by the perennial advances in technological subtleties of a given society, even if the said society’s body, and more so its soul, are sacrificed on the altar of the said linear progress.

https://traversingtradition.com/2019/10/09/technology-as-a-mode-of-secular-liberal-theology/

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>> No.13963465
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13963465

Wow, that's extremely based. I never see Christians talking about this kind of stuff, which is a shame really. Thanks for the article Anon.

>> No.13963467

>>13963440
was this written by pomo article generator?

>> No.13963479

>>13963440
go do your isis recruiting somewhere else, mohammud

>> No.13963480

>>13963465
You're clearly not looking very hard, or believe yourself above reading "alt-right" media.

OP's blurb is indistinguishable from the stuff TradCath NrXers and Weird Catholic Twitter say daily.

>> No.13963482

>>13963467
No way, this looks very well researched. I'm impressed so far.

>> No.13963484

why is hijab so cute

>> No.13963492

>>13963480
Ellul is the closest I could find but I don't really agree with him on much else. I don't use Twitter.

>> No.13963500

>>13963484
Western women had this much modesty until recently too. Head coverings were common place.

>> No.13963558

It was a good article but not sure about the ending. If technology has a spirit and it's against the creator, why should we use it at all? I understand the defense argument (Which seems pretty much a necessity) but why should we have any technology in our day to day lives?

>> No.13963592

>>13963558
clothes are technology

>> No.13963631

Allah will definitely save you from Chinese/American muslim hunting robots.

>> No.13963668

>>13963592
People wore clothes before civilisation and before modern technology.

>> No.13963683

>>13963492
read first things

>> No.13963710

>>13963683
Quite good so far, thanks.

>> No.13963752

>>13963465
See:

https://www.postliberalthought.com/

>> No.13963841

>>13963558
I agree, in my opinion technology is all or nothing. We have such advanced technology today because of a seemingly insatiable drive to create it, to dominate nature. That drive isn't going to go away. We will eventually reach a point where technology can no longer be created, when nature refuses to continue being raped, something we are already seeing with climate change, after which humans will either go extinct or stop using technology altogether.

>> No.13963849

Reactionary garbage. You people never stop and think why pre-capitalism was absolutely PLAGUED by war, internal strife, revolt, murder, peasant revolts (and the consequent repression), coups all over the place, etc.? Even more, you people never stop and think why capitalism flourished from within the feudal order in the first place (hint: it was not because "capitalists" started conspiring against the "body and soul" of society).

Your picture of 'tradition' is a complete projection of your dissatisfaction with today, a dissatisfaction whose cause and real basis you don't even articulate. The reality of tradition was much more 'soulless', much more horrid and would be far more unbearable for the kind of people who post on image boards, than the current world which you long for 'tradition' as an escape from.

>> No.13963880

>>13963849
You only think this way because you believe war is bad and that peace is a fair exchange for slavery. Without conflict that is no opportunity for the good to be established, because it'll be worn down under corruption in the peace time.

>> No.13963888

>>13963752
Thanks anon

>> No.13963903

>>13963668
And it's literally the first technology after Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

>> No.13963910

>>13963880
Every "trad" imbecile loves the warrior class LARP, that is until some day they find themselves getting their house bombed, their family dismembered and raped and their body torn to shreds. "War is better than peace because it leads to the establishment of the good" what a beautiful concept, entirely abstract and devoid of application to any concrete struggle in history of course. Once again, you don't even stop to understand why conflict arises in the first place, what causes war, what causes "corruption" and "slavery" in peacetime, you deal entirely in moral platitudes.

>> No.13963911

>>13963440
Why do they call Lewis Mumford Canadian?

>> No.13963935

>>13963910
>you don't even stop to understand
Do you?

>> No.13963962

>>13963849
>You people never stop and think why pre-capitalism was absolutely PLAGUED by war, internal strife, revolt, murder, peasant revolts (and the consequent repression), coups all over the place, etc.?
You say plagued, as if it's a bad thing. But it's not good or bad. Back then, in the age of history, people cared about transcendent ideals. Spengler called it the world-as-history, because making war, among other things, is history. We live now in the world-as-nature, because we have reached the end of history. Fukuyama's "The End of History" does have some truth to it. The latter half of the 20th century was the first time in Western history when time itself ceased to be a demarcator between ages. There are no more major wars, great art, or religious or political developments, all transcendent ideals that nobody cares about fighting for anymore. Capitalism is a property of the world-as-nature, a nihilistic "every man for himself" attitude.

>The reality of tradition was much more 'soulless', much more horrid and would be far more unbearable for the kind of people who post on image boards, than the current world which you long for 'tradition' as an escape from.
Your mistake, which is typical of moderns, is projecting the mindset of a 21st century urbanite onto a person who lived centuries ago. I don't particularly agree with traditionalism myself, but I do agree that so called "traditional societies" had completely different outlooks on life than us moderns do. If war was really seen as a naturally bad thing, as we see it today, then it wouldn't have been so common.

>> No.13963984

>>13963465
Try Ellul

>> No.13963989

>>13963440
>the said society
>the said linear
opinion discarded

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>>13963440

>> No.13964120

>>13963849
ASS

>> No.13964123

>>13963903
Kek

>> No.13964151

>>13963910
What causes war?

>> No.13964157

>>13963962
>no more great wars
>two of the greatest wars in history
Spenglertards need to go back

>> No.13964176

>>13964157
>>no more great wars
>since WW2