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[Anonymous No.13950779]

>contemporary philosophical discourse has been reduced to ironic millenial humor, ad hominems, laughable political arguments and purposeful misinterpretation of philosophers you're not fond off
If you support people like this guy, Contrapoints and other faggy "philosophy buffs", you're part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.13950786]

>>13950779
>part of the problem.

[Anonymous No.13950788]

>>13950786
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.13950837]

>young people use mass media to bring philosophy to huge audiences
>they also make it entertaining

>you're part of the problem

[Anonymous No.13950861]

>>13950837
You can't be entertaining while being correct and/or insightful.

[Anonymous No.13950876]

>>13950861

do you have any recs for channels that do this in your opinion? like having the same production value whilst sharing your opinions

[Anonymous No.13951032]

>>13950861
>You can't be entertaining while being correct and/or insightful.
Hume, Foucault, Shakespeare, Russel, Plato, Nietzsche, and Aesop all did this. Making profound things fun to learn has always been a major element in Western thought.

[Anonymous No.13951089]

>>13950779
You could just pretend he doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure most people here, even with all the pozzed normies, don't know that guy.

The fact that you made this thread is "part of the problem".

[Anonymous No.13951170]

>>13950779
Contrapoints isnt about philosophy and Philosophy tube guy should be more called Moral Imperative Tube. Yeah he is a bugman that got dominted by his ex girlfriend so its only natural that even his philosophy channel is all about morality and obeying "moral imperatives".

Cuck Philosophy and Gregory B. Sadler are still pretty good channels.

[Anonymous No.13951223]

>>13950837
you left out the part where they dilute the ideas so fags like you can understand without having to actually read

[Anonymous No.13951230]

>>13950779
This guy is so fucking shit, with his horrible "British" humour and force eloquence. Nothing he says is interesting, but I can see how his style of videos would appeal to Redditor university philisophy majors.

[Anonymous No.13951234]

>>13951170
>Cuck Philosophy is pretty good
stop spreading this retarded meme you fucking dilettante

[Anonymous No.13951238]

>>13951170
very good channels especially the videos Gregory makes outlining material for certain philosophies and authors

[Anonymous No.13951250]

>>13951170
>Cuck Philosophy
Literally on the same level as the dude on the OP.

[Anonymous No.13951277]

Anyone got the photo of him that looks like farquaad?

[Anonymous No.13951282]

>>13950779
That which is made to appeal to the masses is by design of less sophistication and depth, often exchanging the effort which would have gone into that into production value instead. All show no substance. The same thing happens with pop-sci and I’m sure a billion other examples. We could spend an eternity complaining that people have low standards and poor taste in _____ but there’s no point.

[Anonymous No.13951285]

>>13951250
>>13951234
Why is he bad?

[Anonymous No.13951319]

>>13951285
he actually reads like a virgin instead of shitposting like a chad

[Anonymous No.13951342]

>>13951250
Not even comparable

[Anonymous No.13951361]

>>13950779
Contrapoints getting BTFO’d by his own audience was good enough for me.

[Anonymous No.13951369]

>>13951361
Give me a quick rundown.

[Anonymous No.13951376]

>>13950779
>contemporary philosophical discourse

still exists I have no idea what he is talking about

[Anonymous No.13951408]

>>13951250
Really bad reading of philosophers, and his channel overall comes off as a Marxist/post-modernist apologetics channel. He had one video saying Nietzsche slave morality can be applied to the right wing and their hatered of minorities, and another video where he said Karl Marx really didn’t want a equalitarian society.

[Anonymous No.13951418]

>vlogging """content""" created for subhuman adhd zoomer mutts is of low quality
no shit

[Anonymous No.13951457]

>>13951408
>He had one video saying Nietzsche slave morality can be applied to the right wing
He actually implied that? I could not think of it being anymore the opposite.

[Anonymous No.13951467]

>>13951285
>uh actually derrida was a blah blah blah [...] uh actually Foucault said [...] uhh actually Marx [..]
He's a faggot pedant. Yes, all of those are worthy thinkers, so what? Foucauldians, Derrideans, Marxists, are still almost entirely a bunch of faggot degenerates. All of them are only good insofar as they can be appropriated by sensible fascists.

[Anonymous No.13951501]

>>13951457
Yeah in one video where he goes over his top ten books of 2018. It’s pretty cringe. https://youtu.be/4UBPLTCJYLM

[Anonymous No.13951520]

>>13951467
>are still almost entirely a bunch of faggot degenerates.
Glad you're here to inspire real philosophical debates.

[Anonymous No.13951530]

>>13951032
>Russell and Foucault were correct and/or insightful
OH NO NO NO

*breathes in*

AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

SPOTTED THE REDDIT DISCORD TRANNY

[Anonymous No.13951565]

>>13951501
This is why I don’t even bother with these people, philosophy tube is no better than late-night shows lowering the quality of its information with quality production and millennial jokes. It tricks people into unknowingly disgust the filtered information with a sleight of hand trick like you are in good company. But they still have a message. It’s like being arrested for a crime you didn’t commit but the cop in question who made the call is a nice woman who cracks jokes in this predicament.

[Anonymous No.13951730]

>>13950779
Someone sent me his video on Steve Bannon, because there's a segment where he discusses Evola, and he doesn't refute anything. Just reads cherry-picked quotes in a mocking tone of voice and laughs. These videos have high production value, and they try and make them cinematic or tiny self-contained stories, but that's just to hide the lack of real arguments.

[Anonymous No.13951740]

>>13950779
I remember this guy made a huge "meaning of life" kind of video and the grand conclusion was just "ordinary hedonism". How anyone can take these guys seriously is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.13951768]

>>13950837
Yes

[Anonymous No.13951769]

>>13950779
Seeing his brilliant face just reminds me that I haven't jacked off today.

[Anonymous No.13951913]

>>13950779
If I made a philosphy forum site where each forum was specifically for a certain work of philosophy, would you use it?

Each forum could have resources,links, supplemental reading, etc stickied.

[Anonymous No.13951989]

>>13951032
Illustrative analogies and lively lectures =\= pretty light show and caked up buffoons.

[Anonymous No.13952006]

>>13951913
For a specific work would probably make the forum really slow. It’d make more sense to do it in groupings like by author, school of thought, or something else along those lines. I’d be willing to give it a shot if you made one, but it seems easier said than done to me.

[Anonymous No.13952038]

>>13951989
Exactly. Contrapoints's comedy skits and little dress-up shows don't do much to teach his viewers, but they wouldn't have learned anything anyways if they didn't have something ZANY and SARDONIC happening every ten seconds.

[Anonymous No.13952055]

>>13952006
Agreed, but then it wouldn't offer any specific advantages over other philosophy forums.

I also like this method of categorizing because I'm sick to death of umbrella terms like "epistemology" or "teleology" and people trying to shoehorn arguments into these categories. I'd rather work entirely within a specific philosopher's entire framework than worry about their ontological viewpoints detached from the rest of the work.

[кoт No.13952060]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-m_7G31yh4

[Anonymous No.13952364]

>>13951369
The fag said something that could theoretically be construed as not faggy enough sndgot hounded off Twitter.

[Anonymous No.13952380]

>>13950786
he is right is time to grow up

[Anonymous No.13952381]

>>13951408
>He said Karl Marx really didn’t want a equalitarian society
And how is he wrong, retard?

[Anonymous No.13952392]

>>13952380
I'm not saying he's wrong, just that only absolute soifags you that sentence.

[Anonymous No.13952447]

Youtube content about philosophy is always worse than actually picking up the books and reading while taking notes.

[Anonymous No.13952627]

maybe he have something right to say, but the way he talks is so pedantic and moralistic.. That happens with almost every other leftist youtuber, it's like they think they're are on top of a moral tower.
Contra is the only new-wave leftist youtuber that I don't get this feeling while watching. Maybe that's because she makes sure to say she is only a dumb tranny in every video.

[Anonymous No.13952779]

>>13952627
Breadtube, leftbook, Chapo, and other ''left wing'' internet media are less about promoting coherent political ideas and more about creating a captive audience out of post protestant guilt ridden middle class burgers. You gotta keep your audience in a state of constant agitation and engagement by following the outrage clickbait news cycle and consumer marketing events like game and movie launches, using the spectre of an omnipresent evil nazi threat to keep people in line and invested on the consumer spectacle. Personal growth of any sort is highly discouraged by these 'communities', grounded as they are in an atomistic vision of the self, set up to reward moralism and norm policing over insight.

[Anonymous No.13952930]

>>13950779
Imagine watching short youtube videos and thinking that's what philosophical discourse these days amounts to.

[Anonymous No.13953429]

>>13950861
>You can't be entertaining while being correct and/or insightful.
FUCKING THIS. Entertainment is PLEASURE. Truth is PAIN. TRUTH CAN NEVER BE PLEASURE! If it could be, everyone would be seeking truth because it would always feel good to them, but the reality is that the truth is a pain you have to be willing to take because it could mean the destruction of everything you hold valid, it could command you to leave a life of leisure, to STOP spending your time on frivolous things, like YOUTUBE.

[Anonymous No.13953457]

>>13951467
I love how every critique of Cuck philosophy just boils down to juvenile statements with a few positions (Marxists, Hegelian, etc) sprinkled in.

[Anonymous No.13953460]

>>13950779
You cant fight the entropic part of discourse and understanding , if anything ,giving them attention help the dispersion.
Just ignore those fags.

[Anonymous No.13953502]

>>13951467
Yeah his focus is in the marxist stuff and postmodern philosophy. But he doesnt try too much to distort their statements and isnt just making blind political claims.

[Anonymous No.13953517]

if you watch these videos leave this board right now.

[Anonymous No.13953548]

>>13951989
>>13952038
Shakespeare was a playwright; his actors literally painted their faces, and Much Ado About Nothing is titled after a vagina pun. The Greeks wore giant, cartoonish masks even during serious dramas. Tarring and feathering was, for the better part of a decade, America's foremost form of political engagement.

Dry intellectualism is a recent phenomenon that emerged from the anglosphere in the late 18th century. Stop clutching your pearls.

[Anonymous No.13953554]

>>13951501
Right wing nationalism is also a form of resentment imo, Left wing politics is on the same page aswell according to Nietzsche. Right wing just happens to be more 2nd degree resentment in some special cases.

Actually one of the points i most disagree with Nietzsche is his slave/master morality concept and the active/reactive will.
I think everything you do and value is already caused by a sort of reactive will to something contrary to it. If anything, all values are born out of resentment.
And it would be absurd for me someone not doing something because it is born from resentment.
Like yeah, if i cant get those grapes im gonna go value something else and make sure i burn those grapes to the ground if i have the chance, its my will. Not doing it simply because its a cope or resentment sounds stupid to me. What would i do instead? Cry at the grapes and not get my head off them? Stay in the slave cage?

[Anonymous No.13953594]

>>13953548
Are you seriously comparing philosophy to drama? Fukken lmao

[Anonymous No.13953620]

>>13953594
Plato was a dramatist.

[Anonymous No.13953653]

>>13953554
>What would i do instead? Cry at the grapes and not get my head off them? Stay in the slave cage?
I guess Nietzche's point was that if you are fucked up than it's over for you no matter what you do. After all you will die and nature/life will try again. His philosophy is anti-soteriological, even calvinist in some way.

[Anonymous No.13953755]

>>13953548
We're talking about serious philosophy, not "plays and dramas." We're talking about books, AKA dry intellectualism. Keep in mind that this unaptly-named "dry intellectualism" is the bread and butter of the mind, and too much painting of the face and giant, cartoonish masks will dilute the essence of learning.

I'm just arguing against an excess of comedy and skits, especially when done in bad taste as Contrapoints and Philosophy Tube often do. And to add insult to injury their videos barely have any thing of worth in them, it's just skit after skit, joke after joke, and maybe a few snarky takes here and there and that's all.

[Anonymous No.13953840]

>>13950779
Contrapoints is the most important intellectual of our time. Cry more, r*ddit.