Not one, but TWO (2) Nobel prizes are awarded this thrusday

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Not one, but TWO (2) Nobel prizes are awarded this thrusday Anonymous Mon Oct 7 05:35:37 2019 No.13949583 [Reply] [Original]

What are your expectations folks?
Surely one of them will be for a black transgender disabled muslim women, but who will win the other?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 05:36:50 2019 No.13949590 >>13949583 McCarthy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 05:40:54 2019 No.13949606 Roberto Calasso would be cool, but thats not gonna happen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 05:42:40 2019 No.13949613 Pynchon

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 05:45:18 2019 No.13949623 >>13949583 No black transgendered muslim women yadda yadda has ever won the NP, anon. Almost all NPs have been awarded to respectable men, as is fitting for a literature prize. You DO know that raging in your mom's basement is degenerate, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 06:02:05 2019 No.13949666 >>13949623 >he doesnt know Winston Churchill was a black transgender disabled muslim woman wow check your bigotry, this is 4channel not 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 06:15:49 2019 No.13949702 Greta

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:36:04 2019 No.13949931

>>13949583
I have it on good confidence at least one prize will be awarded to a writer mainly known for stage plays and film scripts. Also, he's American if that helps.

I'm actually curious if any anons could guess it, it's so far out of left field I laughed out loud when I was told this guy is even being CONSIDERED for a Nobel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:40:49 2019 No.13949948 >>13949931 Mr “I’ve got connections” over here

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:45:39 2019 No.13949970 >>13949931 Stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:45:55 2019 No.13949971 >>13949931 t. uncle works at swedish academy

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:46:25 2019 No.13949975 >>13949931 Is it the guy who writes The Song Of Ice and Fire?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:49:17 2019 No.13949988 File: 1.27 MB, 1037x1600, David_Mamet_2_by_David_Shankbone.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949948 >>13949970 >>13949971 >>13949975 You guys are gonna eat your words. I don't care if you screencap this or not. You'll see I'm right.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:51:58 2019 No.13949999

There's many name-droppable names, most of them unlikely to win it, given how politics and appearances are the deciding factor.

There are a few European writers who'd been mentioned a number of times and I think deserve recognition, if anything for not selling out: Javier Marías of Spain, Mircea Cartarescu of Romania, Peter Nadas or some other Hungarian.
I heard of Gerald Murnane, a reclusive Australian writer, mentioned in some places. Speaking of English-speaking hermits, there's obviously Pynchon. McCarthy he's left his footprint on Anglo literature.
In France, Houellebecq has a corpus extensive enough and sizeable recognition to warrant consideration by the Committee. I'm sure there are others, possibly even better than him, but they are not as visible.
Middle East is a tough one, although they fill quota checkboxes: for example, the name Adunis showes up occasionally.
Notably Germany and the UK don't seem to have much to offer, Germany especially.
Slavic countries: as above, although I've seen they're pushing Poland's Tokarczuk into English translation and in New Yorker, which may indicate positioning her for future competition. Russia... I don't really know, nothing seems to be getting outside.
As for Asia: Meh, no idea. Mo Yan got it recently.

That said, with awarding two writers at the same time one can only expect the pressure to give at least one of them to a female writer, and possibly a poc as well, and I have no idea who that could be.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:52:56 2019 No.13950003 >>13949583 One diversity award and one to a relatively untalented Jew. Anything else would be white supremacism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:53:01 2019 No.13950004 >>13949988 I had a moment of panic when I thought it might be Sorkin

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:53:49 2019 No.13950009 >>13949583 It'll 100% be a woman after what happened last year. Most likely a woman of color

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:55:23 2019 No.13950015 >>13950009 1 man 1 woman

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:57:19 2019 No.13950025

>>13950003
>>13949583
women underrepresented in science
>bro women can’t into math nothing you can do
Blacks underrepresented
>just look at the skull shapes and the IQ, come on!
Latinx people underrepresented
>what you gonna do, inferior races
trannies underrepresented
>they’re mentally ill!
whites underrepresented
>NOOOOOOO ITS THE JEWISH CONSPIRACY JUSY BECAUSE JEWS HAVE AN IQ 1 STANDARD DEVIATION ABOVE WHITES AND A CULTURE WHICH ENCOURAGES ACADEMIC PURSUITS DOESNT MEAN THEY SHOULD ACHIEVE MORE THAN US NOOO

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:57:35 2019 No.13950028 >>13949988 Oh look >>13950003 By 2030 not including one of the chosen for any prize will be equivalent to denying the holocaust.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:57:48 2019 No.13950030

>>13949988
Not sure it would be that surprising but ok. I'll remember and dedicate you a thread if you turn out to be right.

>>13949999
>Nobel prize to Houellebecq
No he's too bleak and he's meh-tier at that. A middle eastern recipient would be nice for once, I heard they have good poets over there. But I'm not holding my breath.

>>13949583
Not many expectations, the stakes are pretty low. It's been quite the travesty this past few years. The record of the literature price has always been somewhat sketchy, in no small part because nobody's really sure what this prize is supposed to be about (promoting ideals? rewarding an author that became canonical in his own lifetime? granting international recognition to a quality writer that is already admired in small circles? promoting more diversity in the canon? non of that really sticks out).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 07:58:15 2019 No.13950032 File: 140 KB, 1200x995, 56884338.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949988 Those dubs, please no... >literally who Just to entertain the suspense, anybody knows this guy (beyond the useless wiki bio)?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:01:10 2019 No.13950044 >>13950032 He's one of the most famous living screen and stage writer among Amerimutts. I don't think that many people will be surprised.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:02:10 2019 No.13950049
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>>13950025
Aha the Jewish IQ myth

There's no way such a LOVELY group of people might not be totally honest with reporting their chosenness is there?

Kicked out of 209 countries for no reason at all...

Achieved nothing before the Rothschilds took over the bank of England
Ahahahahahaah

Why not use your 'high IQ' to work this out Shlomo?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:04:58 2019 No.13950054

>>13950049
>Kicked out of 209 countries for no reason at all...
Last time this was shilled on this board it was 105...
I know there's no less than three of you LARPer pushing this shit here and that coordinating with more than one person is hard on you, but you could at least try to pretend to have the same numbers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:05:10 2019 No.13950056 File: 120 KB, 1544x304, jewish IQ myth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13950025 Here's another one Moishe

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:05:44 2019 No.13950057 >>13949999 We've got Sebastian Faulks and David Mitchell in the UK. I think those two would be worth contenders for the prize.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:06:28 2019 No.13950060 >>13950044 This would prove the Amerifetish after the Dylan award, which would be hilarious considering Pynchon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:06:42 2019 No.13950062 >>13950057 Stoppard >

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:08:35 2019 No.13950068 >>13950060 >Dylan >then Pynchon why award other guy who wont go to receive the prize?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:11:47 2019 No.13950081
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>>13950054
Actually it's far higher than 209 but it's unkind to count repeat expulsions.

Remember anons, not accepting Jewish cultural hegemony is despicable and bigoted. Their failure to create anything of value in the Western world before the Rothschilds captured the banking system is... a coincidence.... as is the pre eminence of relatively talent light Jews - Sontag Dylan etc. in the Jewish dominated media industry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:14:12 2019 No.13950089 >>13950057 Christ David Mitchell is shit. If you like Cloud Atlas you are odious

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:17:21 2019 No.13950096 >>13950068 Who cares. Dylan almost didn't go either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:49:09 2019 No.13950174 >>13949583 Go back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 08:52:16 2019 No.13950178 >>13949583 murakami

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:09:06 2019 No.13950226 >>13950174 Yeah. Stay away from us with your evidence based world view. We love diversity and Marxism here and anything questioning the current anti white narrative will not be tolerated. Get back to /pol bigot!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:10:00 2019 No.13950231 File: 36 KB, 300x350, faulks.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13950057 >Sebastian Faulks I've only read his James Bond novel, it was pretty bad. Is he really a good writer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:11:49 2019 No.13950243 >>13950025 calm down schlomo

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:12:59 2019 No.13950249 >>13950081 That's an amusing list. Is there any other ethnicity that was a minority in so many countries? > Their failure to create anything of value in the Western world You mean except the Bible right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:14:24 2019 No.13950253 >>13950226 Show me evidence of the Royal Swedish Academy favoring muslim, trans, disabled and/or female authors over non-muslim, cis, able and males author in the past 100 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:15:51 2019 No.13950260 how butthurt would lit be if it was that woman who translated the odyssey

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:16:48 2019 No.13950263 File: 264 KB, 900x1600, mememagic.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949988 >Mamet isnt Nobel wort- >double dubs oh no Mamet confirmed

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:24:03 2019 No.13950281 >>13950263 Are double dubs enough for a Nobel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:27:04 2019 No.13950289 >>13950263 this guy got quads >>13949999 Imagine if Houellebecq wins

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:30:12 2019 No.13950298

>>13950249
Yes, of COURSE the bible was written by Ashkenazi goy.

In no way was it a plagiarism of other earlier Egyptian and Chaldean texts goy!

What? You want to study that? Good luck seeing it in the mainstream that is entirely dependent on the banking system Goy.

ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahaahahahahahaah

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:36:52 2019 No.13950321 File: 94 KB, 707x624, NobelLitComitee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949583 >yes we are hardcore fans of Gravity's Rainbow, how did you know?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:40:07 2019 No.13950338 >>13950081 >kicked out of more countries than even exist yeah, sure

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:40:15 2019 No.13950339 File: 178 KB, 853x1280, gaiman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13950321 >>13949583 bet $20 that a gay man wins this year

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 09:41:10 2019 No.13950343 >>13950226 >that reddit spacing tho

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:10:59 2019 No.13950452

>>13950298
>Ashkenazi
Who even pretended that? Why are you obsessed by ashkenazim, they're not the only Jews you know?

>In no way was it a plagiarism of other earlier Egyptian and Chaldean texts goy!
>muh plagiarism
All literature is plagiarism anon. Christianity is plagiarism of Judaism + Neoplatonism. Ancient literature is plagiarism of even more ancient literature. Hellenistic literature is plagiarism of ancient Greek literature. Medieval literature is plagiarism of Hellenistic literature. Shakespeare was doing plagiarism. If that is your argument then not only did the Jews not contribute anything of note, but the Latin and the later Europeans didn't either, and let's not even get started on the Americans.

>Good luck seeing it in the mainstream that is entirely dependent on the banking system
You're barely even making sense. Archeological study is not in the mainstream, and how do you think archaelogists even came to be aware of the existence of the Chaldean? Are you implying all archaelogy is controlled by (((them))) even as it supposedly provides evidence for your claims? At least try to be coherent.

>ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahaahahahahahaah
You're insane. Get off the internet, for your own sake.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:27:54 2019 No.13950514 >>13949583 Kazuo Ishiguro will win again

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:30:57 2019 No.13950525 >>13950514 That would be based. Since the Nobel have been breaking implicit rules lately why shouldn't they also break explicit rules? I want the literature Nobel 2020 to be given to a piece of furniture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:36:59 2019 No.13950554 >>13950321 There are 0 members of the Academy in that picture.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:37:53 2019 No.13950560 >>13949583 >thrusday

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:40:23 2019 No.13950569

>>13950452

All literature is plagiarism and so the Bible being a collection of texts from earlier religions is irrelevant goys. The fact that all biblical characters were Egyptian Hyksos is irrelevant Goy. The fact that Egyptian Hyksos were genetically closest to Anglo/Irish is irrelevant goy. WE WROTE IT! WE ARE THE CHOSEN!

The ashkenazi have average intelligence, low morality, high cunning, almost zero creativity and an aggressive desire to use their banking trillions to pretend they contributed positively to history.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:41:43 2019 No.13950576

>>13950554
ok, they are not members, but they are part of the commitee

https://web.archive.org/web/20181120073053/https://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/de-foreslas-utse-nobelpristagaren-i-litteratur-sitter-inte-i-akademien/

https://web.archive.org/web/20180912131315/https://www.svenskaakademien.se/press/svenska-akademiens-priser-varen-2018

>Five people, who are not Academy members, are included as experts: the authors Gun-Britt Sundström, Kristoffer Leandoer, the literary critic Rebecka Kärde and Mikaela Blomqvist as well as the critic and translator Henrik Petersen.

>The five members form the external part of the committee, where five ordinary members of the Academy also take place. The assignment extends over 2019 and 2020, the Swedish Academy states in a press release.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:42:06 2019 No.13950578 >>13950525 >2017: Kazuo Ishiguro >2018: Kazuo Ishiguro >2019: Kazuo Ishiguro >2020: A pot

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:45:44 2019 No.13950597 >>13950576 Afaik, they submit suggestions to the Academy and don't play a part in the decision itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:46:47 2019 No.13950602 >>13950578 If Horace Engdahl could he'd probably give the prize to Strindberg's corpse or that of some other notorious misogynist just to fuck with the #metoo-crowd.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:47:03 2019 No.13950604 >>13949666 not funny, didn't laugh. Go back to 4chan

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:48:43 2019 No.13950616 >>13950321 i'd have sex with that hot granny

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:49:27 2019 No.13950620
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>>13950343
>>13950338
>>13950253
>>13950452
>>13950249

That's is brothers. Fill the tread with discord. NO ONE must be allowed to notice that the chosen operate nepotism and demand disproportionate representation in everything.

Claim our IQs are higher and that everything that isn't relentless burgeoning Jewish influence over everything is another Holocaust!

We must increase out efforts tenfold against this free thinking hate!

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:55:19 2019 No.13950640 File: 92 KB, 1140x641, 1566282023935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949583 >be the best living author >be politally relevant >be artistically avant-garde >be Irvine Welsh >pic unrelated

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:57:08 2019 No.13950652 >>13949583 Tom Stoppard and Anne Carson. I don’t believe an American would get it so soon after Dylan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 10:57:43 2019 No.13950656 >>13950578 Now that's a based roster. >2021: The concept of a pot

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:00:07 2019 No.13950666

>>13950569
See my comment on Shakespeare. Nearly all Shalespearian characters are taken from earlier stories, so are his plots, so are even afew of his descriptions.
Does that mean Shakespeare only amounts to plagiarism?

>The fact that Egyptian Hyksos were genetically closest to Anglo/Irish is irrelevant goy.
Not particuarly relevant but I'd like to see your evidence for that just for the kek of it.

>goy goy goy goy
This doesn't add anything to your argument you know, it only makes it look like you have the illuminati version of La Tourette.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:14:40 2019 No.13950721 Laszlo wins

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:23:05 2019 No.13950753
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>>13950666
You dumb fuck. Shakespeare used templates and added innovation and skill. The Jews created a fake identity and put their name on something they had no part in creating. Stop with the Pilpul

For pharaoh DNA being British: google it you ignoramus.

Funny how no one minds 'GOY' as a racial slur. None of the media or institutions took exception to this

Imagine a white nationalist paper writing 'nigger bye' or 'kike bye'. Except that would not happen as no pro white group is allowed to exist without being attacked by Jewish groups.

So stop playing dumb... or don't. I won't change your mind but the less blinkered anons are learning about how Jewish power works.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:25:03 2019 No.13950761 >>13950753 How do we save the board from Stormfag 2016 election tourists like this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:28:58 2019 No.13950776 >>13950721 I hope Laszlo or Tomihiko Morimi. Has anyone read Krasznahorkai's newest book by the way. How does it compare to his older material?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:31:40 2019 No.13950785 fosse and laszlo screenshot this

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:33:44 2019 No.13950793 >>13950785 >two europeans, no female Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:34:37 2019 No.13950794 >>13949988 Go to some betting website and put some G’s on it then

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:37:04 2019 No.13950801 >>13950793 >two europeans Why couldn't it be more europeans? I agree that a woman is probably getting one of the two prizes, but the Academy is nothing if not eurocentric (for good reason).

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:38:23 2019 No.13950807

>>13950801
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/oct/05/nobel-prize-for-literature-2019-diversity

Given that the last two winners – Kazuo Ishiguro and Bob Dylan – both write in English and just 14 of the 114 literature laureates are women, Olsson acknowledged this week the need for the jury to “widen our perspective”.

“We had a more Eurocentric perspective on literature and now we are looking all over the world,” he said. “Previously it was much more male-oriented. Now we have so many female writers who are really great, so we hope the prize and the whole process of the prize has been intensified and is much broader in its scope.”

Other names seen as strong contenders include Hungarian novelist László Krasznahorkai and Polish writer Olga Tokarczuk, as well as perennial candidates Haruki Murakami and Ngugi wa Thiong’o.

“If there are going to be two [laureates], one has to be a woman.” said Fiammetta Rocco, culture correspondent at the Economist and the administrator of the International Booker prize, adding that “they’re likely to be from different continents”.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 11:44:14 2019 No.13950831

>>13950753
>Shakespeare used templates and added innovation and skill. The Jews created a fake identity and put their name on something they had no part in creating.
So far I don't see any argument apart from "I like the former and dislike the latter". You didn't understand the point of my earlier retort. What you need at this point is textual evidence. Because that's what makes the difference between "innovation and skills" and "putting your name under something you had no part in creating".

>Stop with the Pilpul
Stop being a pussy. What you call "pilpul" is what normal people call arguing. Just because you disagree with it doesn't suddenly make it into a special separate category of evil argumentation. Engage with it or go back.

>For pharaoh DNA being British: google it you ignoramus.
Nice scholarly work on your part. What I get from google is that one sample of about 100 individual mummys are closer genetically to Europeans, Levantines and Anatolian than to modern Egyptians. That's not "closest to British people" as you said, just closer than to the part-African population of nowadays. Unless you want to argue that a Levantine and a British are fundamentally the same thing.

>Funny how no one minds 'GOY' as a racial slur.
It's not a slur, it's just a denomination. It's literally hebrew for "nation". It can be used as a slur but it isn't originally. Same with niggers except nigger trigger people because of slavery or something so people use black instead. If someone calls you goy and you're offended, do like your SJW friends, says you're offended and that you identify as a non-jew.

>So stop playing dumb
Yes, of course, I, the enlightened anon on 4chan, know it all about the Jewish powers that rule the world, and I'm only pretending not to know in order to avoid disclosing myself in front of the learned assembly of the posters in a nobel /lit/ thread. We're not a couple of shit-eater arguing on a Kazakh cowdung ancestral workshop, we both totally know what's up and I'm just pretending not to because I'm in leagues with the shadows.
Get over yourself pal, being into ancient genetics is fine, it doesn't make you a revealed of deep truths.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 12:54:54 2019 No.13951186 Laszlo and Olga Tokarczuk are my favourites. The Books of Jacob is great.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:03:08 2019 No.13951248

>>13950807
>“If there are going to be two [laureates], one has to be a woman.” said Fiammetta Rocco, culture correspondent at the Economist and the administrator of the International Booker prize
The absolute state of The Economist nowadays. BAKA. It used to be really good but has become just another propaganda rag for the globohomo agenda.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:08:26 2019 No.13951287 >>13949583 The Nobel prizes have been a joke for decades.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:10:33 2019 No.13951303 >>13951287 The Dylan pick and last year sex scandal were really the designing of the coffin. >>13951248 The Economist has always been middlebrow liberal morality pieces for the most part.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:13:30 2019 No.13951318 >>13949999 >Houellebecq How

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:15:47 2019 No.13951327 >>13950666 >Nearly all Shalespearian characters are taken from earlier stories, so are his plots, so are even afew of his descriptions. ???

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 13:28:28 2019 No.13951404 Expect two Ishiguros types of writers: completely bland with no salt or pepper; the kind who never had a strong opinion in their entire lives and with books that means absolutely nothing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:13:07 2019 No.13951656

>>13951318
>How
They gave it to Dylan 3 years ago.

Some more effort: there's plenty of factors working against him: politically, he's an old, white, affluent man from a developed European country; thematically, his work is controversial to put it as mildly as I can; literarily (in translation!), he's a fine writer and has a distinct, direct style, but it is nothing breathtaking; circumstancially, another Frenchman — Modiano — was awarded the prize just five years ago. These are almost certainly factors that can and usually do impact the decision of the prize committee.
However, he has definite strengths that set him visibly apart from other living writers: his non-comformism, his willingness to name things that are uncomfortable and rarely discussed, and he doesn't generally position himself as a judge (I think he makes conscious effort of a naturalist painter). Those are good reasons for him to be considered if one believes in the idealistic idea behind the award. And against intuition, I don't think he's some kind of black sheep that everyone's afraid of acknowledging — he's been recognised at home, in France, with many awards, notably the Goncourt and recently the Legion d'honneur.
I don't think he will get awarded, and if anything, it may be because of his style which isn't where it should be for this award, even if he is above many others in terms of subject. Here again, though, Dylan comes to mind again.

Btw, since I'm the guy you responded to, I remembered that there's an Argentinian writer called Cesar Aira who I heard mentioned by few sources. I just know there's too many good writers and just one award, it would be ashamed if they were to continue handing it to Dylans and, God save us, Murakamis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:13:52 2019 No.13951660 george saunders

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:16:40 2019 No.13951676 Antunes ? Adonis ? Carson ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:17:52 2019 No.13951684 >>13951656 >wellback >controversial he’s controversial like the joker movie is controversial, it’s just pr

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:20:27 2019 No.13951700 >>13950761 How do we combat JIDF termites like this?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:21:31 2019 No.13951710

>>13950831
>>13950831
Really pulling out the stops here aren't you shlomo

> No argument

Your point is that Shakespeare lifted templates and some passages from other works, therefore any level of plagiarism and dishonesty is fine. Jewy as fuck you pilpul spouting slug

> Pilpul

Will link below

> Pharaoh DNA

Nice misdirection. And you cited as much evidence as I did whilst APPEARING to sound academic. The pharaoh's were blond or red haired and are Western European. The closet match being the UK which is a coincidence because ancient Celtic texts talk of this and Ireland has Scotia's grave.

> Goy

No it means cattle or animals you filthy liar. And your holy books are full of ways to mistreat goys and rape their daughters

> Playing dumb.

My point is simple. "Jewish nepotism is demonstrably out of control". Your point is simple too, though obscured by your rhetoric. "Stop noticing you anti semite. we're getting nervous."

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:22:49 2019 No.13951718 >>13951248 Stop being anti semitic. The Economist is owned by The Rothschilds

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:22:55 2019 No.13951719 >>13949931 If Lin Manuel Miranda wins a Nobel Prize, I’m going to go full Joker. Enough is enough with these rappers and folk musicians and shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:24:18 2019 No.13951726 File: 49 KB, 1220x619, pilpul.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13950831 Pilpul as promised.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:24:47 2019 No.13951728 >>13949583 Krazsnahorkai and, as you said, a diversity win, perhaps Margaret Atwood if Anglocucks get lucky. But I cannot reiterate how the Nobel absolutely doesn’t matter abd how the Nobel committee neglected both Tolstoy and Joyce in their lifetime.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:26:03 2019 No.13951738 >>13950025 >doesn’t understand how greentext works Classic self hating redditor

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:27:00 2019 No.13951744 >>13949583 Laz and Rushdie just published major works. One of them is guranteed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:27:29 2019 No.13951749 >>13950057 Peep Show David Mitchell winning would be based. Novelist David Mitchell you might as well go full embarrassing and give it to GRRM

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:31:18 2019 No.13951773

>>13949988

MAMET? Look, I like the guy, but if Sam Shepard didn't win the Nobel, Mamet shouldn't. Ingmar Bergman should have won the Nobel eons ago, but for some reason he must have pissed them off (Bergman was a bit of an egomaniac)

Pinecone and McCarthy should be under consideration but they're both so famous they probably don't 'need' it. GR and Blood Meridian will still be read in 100+ years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:36:44 2019 No.13951800 >>13949583 It should be Houellebecq, since he is by far the most notable living writer. But politics won't allow it obviously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:39:43 2019 No.13951817 >>13951800 too young

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:40:21 2019 No.13951821 Quignard avant Houellebecq.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:44:12 2019 No.13951839 File: 1.99 MB, 1772x1583, smug pepe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949999 >poc as well, and I have no idea who that could be

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:53:08 2019 No.13951881

>>13951773
Neither Pinecone or McCarthy will ever win it because of their anglocentric style (or, in other words, they scream “I’m an American writer!” in their prose). Something like what happened with Hemingway, Faulkner, and Steinbeck will never happen again; America is too easy a target to belittle culturally given the push for “a global literature” (which in all honesty is fair enough).

>>13951800
This is a ridiculously naive view. Houllebecq isn’t really controversial in his mother tongue; he’s the archetypical French enfant terrible that has always dominated a corner of public discourse. I doubt he will ever win for similiar reasons to why Pinecone and McCarthy will never win: there’ve already been Houllebecqs (read: edgy French writers) to have won the prize. I think that’s the only reason why the committee was comfortable letting Dylan win, because a musician, let alone someone working in the American folk tradition, hadn’t won, as well as Ishiguro, where even though there are plenty of British writers with a traditional realist style to have won, none of them were Asian. This shit is way more arbitrary and institutional than anyone on /lit/ can really appreciate. At the end of the day, we are closer to the public side of literary discourse than we are to the gatekept. We might be good readers, or even ideal readers, compared to our peers but we’re not exactely in the know of the upper eschalon of publishing and academic trends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 14:55:39 2019 No.13951891 pynchon is too hard to read to win the no-bell

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:06:03 2019 No.13951950 Can somebody give me a good non-political reason that Pynchon shouldn't get the Nobel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:06:56 2019 No.13951956 >>13951950 poop?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:09:26 2019 No.13951973 >>13951956 Oh shit I forgot

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:09:52 2019 No.13951974

>>13951881
I agree with this anon. What presumably wins is what notable writers and academics share between themselves. The contents of their discussions between each other diffuse betweem them and only once there are a couple names left do they begin discussing particularities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:27:13 2019 No.13952081 >>13949988 Actually not an unconvincing prediction. >>13950032 >>literally who You really don't know much about contemporary lit, do you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:29:02 2019 No.13952095 >>13950025 >Latinx dilate

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:47:02 2019 No.13952223

>>13950025
>BECAUSE JEWS HAVE AN IQ 1 STANDARD DEVIATION ABOVE WHITES AND A CULTURE WHICH ENCOURAGES ACADEMIC PURSUITS
this + nepotism
i wish the /pol/niggers would see that they are the same like niggers screeching about whitey oppression when it omes to jews

>Latinx
kys tho uwu

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:48:15 2019 No.13952231 >>13952095 Sneed

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:48:55 2019 No.13952236 >>13951950 Because he hasn't written a masterpiece in like 50 years. Does the committee care if an author is way past their prime though? Doris Lessing wrote 1 good book in the 60s and they gave her the prize 50 years later.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:50:11 2019 No.13952244 >>13951950 Maximalist post-modernism is probably a bit too experimental for such an award.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:52:11 2019 No.13952255
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Am I the only one who thinks she has a chance?

>woman
>critically acclaimed
>politically relevant writings
>experimental, but not too difficult
>large enough body of work, I think

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:55:25 2019 No.13952267 >>13952244 this. I cannot recall one experimental author winning. Joyce? No. Camus? Won. Till Lindemann? No. Bob Dylan? Won.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:55:35 2019 No.13952269 >>13949999 this is unrelated but does anybody have recommendations for chinese writers other than Mo Yan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:56:21 2019 No.13952273 >>13949583 Atwood easily

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 15:57:48 2019 No.13952283 >>13952269 Gao Xingjian's Soul Mountain is really good. And the author is another nobel prize winner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:05:16 2019 No.13952323 >>13952273 oh no

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:12:55 2019 No.13952365 >>13952267 >Till Lindemann Rammstein?! You're comparing that guy to Dylan?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:16:45 2019 No.13952377 >>13952365 Just did. Guess you'd have to read his poems in German, to see my point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:19:46 2019 No.13952393 >>13952236 against the day was decent but I also like Vineland so I guess my opinion is irrelevant

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:29:14 2019 No.13952435 >>13952269 I haven't read any of the Chinese, but Yu Hua has a reputation for being relevant among some friends who are Orient fans, as well as sinologists.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 16:52:13 2019 No.13952559
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>Among this year’s award favorites with bookmakers are Canadian poet Anne Carson, novelist Maryse Condé from the French Caribbean island of Guadeloupe, and Japanese author Haruki Murakami.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-prize-literature/moving-on-from-scandal-swedish-academy-to-award-two-nobel-literature-prizes-idUSKBN1WM23V

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:00:25 2019 No.13952609 >>13952223 The jewish high IQ meme was debunked long ago. FFs they were banned from the US for a long time for having a low IQ.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:01:32 2019 No.13952617 >>13952559 Carson is fine. Condé i’ve read in original french and it’s dogshit, even worse than Murakami.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:16:09 2019 No.13952701

>>13951710
>Your point is that Shakespeare lifted templates and some passages from other works, therefore any level of plagiarism and dishonesty is fine.
No, it is that in the absence of textual evidence you have failed to explain how both are different when they both took characters and plot from earlier sources. The distinctive quality of Shakespeare is not in his plot but in his writing. Are you going to claim the Bible is a word-for-word translation of older Chaldean texts? If so, interesting statement, what's your evidence?

>And you cited as much evidence as I did whilst APPEARING to sound academic.
I used google like you told me to, and synthetized three articles who were fairly short and didn't go too much into detail. This is not much, still much more than what you did ("Google it, ignoramus", in your own words). There was no appearance of being academic, I just summarized what I read while you didn't do anything besides shouting "Google".

>The pharaoh's were blond or red haired and are Western European. The closet match being the UK
That wasn't in the article I read (again, through your friend google). Provide your source or stop pretending you have one.

>No it means cattle or animals you filthy liar.
It literally means nation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy
>Goy (/ɡɔJ/, Hebrew: גוי, regular plural goyim /ˈɡɔJ.Jm/, גוים or גויים) is the standard Hebrew biblical term for a nation.

Btw, before you go all "((they)) own wikipedia" on me, the source Wikipedia uses for this claim is an Encyclopedia put together by a presbyterian.

> And your holy books are full of ways to mistreat goys and rape their daughters
Unlike Greek mythology or Roman history you mean? Btw since you obviously belong to the close reading kind of person I'd really like some explicit quotes on that.

>My point is simple. "Jewish nepotism is demonstrably out of control".
I'm afraid that's the first time you've stated it clearly. Still no evidence btw. DNA analysis of the Pharaoh don't prove nepotism.

>Your point is simple too, though obscured by your rhetoric. "Stop noticing you anti semite. we're getting nervous."
My point is that you're an idiot who has scrapped together a handful of half-facts and from that tiny heap leaped into into a grand overarching theory because you can't deal with the complexity of life.
I'll do you a favor and humor your for a bit: yes, the Jews control everything, yes, it's a worldwide conspiracy, and yes, it's solely directed at making you miserable just because we feel like it. What are you going to do about it now? Bitch about it on the internet? Gosh that would make me nervous. My brother in the Mossad asked me to cancel that thread because he doesn't know how far that can go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:17:33 2019 No.13952711 >>13951718 The Economist is pure Anglofaggotry, if anything that makes me anti-Anglo, which doesn't mean much since even the Anglo are anti-Anglo nowadays.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:20:52 2019 No.13952729

>>13951726
Glad you provided at least on that count I suppose, but that doesn't change my argument. People disagreeing with you is not a devilish Jewish tactic, it's just people disagreeing with you.

Also pilpul is not the essence of the talmud, the Gaon of Vilna even held it in contempt. But of course you already knew that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:22:45 2019 No.13952741 >>13951881 This is probably the most level headed take itt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:23:47 2019 No.13952747 >>13951956 Isn't that political? Poop was a staple of European literature until recently.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:25:25 2019 No.13952759 >>13952747 No, eating poop is eating poop. It’s not political.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:26:48 2019 No.13952768

>>13952236
Not sure the time span is really an issue in terms of merit (if you've reached Nobel quality in your prime you should always be worthy of a Nobel I guess), but it begs the question: if they had wanted to award him for such a long time, wouldn't have they done it before?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:27:20 2019 No.13952775 >>13952559 >Haruki Murakami kek yeah this time for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:28:18 2019 No.13952782 >>13952559 Isn't Murakami shilled by booker every year? Who still believes he still has a shot (or even had one) at this point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:29:21 2019 No.13952787 >>13952759 That post of yours seems pretty politically loaded anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:39:13 2019 No.13952828 >>13949988 that would've been nice. Mamet is quality. The second will go to Tokarczuk.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:41:35 2019 No.13952841 File: 133 KB, 768x961, donna-in-1993-1557766079.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13952782 I'm sure you've guessed it right every year, right anon?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:47:09 2019 No.13952876
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>>13952701

>Shakespeare
Perhaps greatest ever writer
>Bible
Not written by people calling themselves Jews

EXACTLY THE SAME THING GOYS!

For reference Prof. Thomas Thompson debunks the whole idea of the existence of Israel. There is no evidence for it.

> Evidence

If you're unaware that Egyptians were white Europeans with fair hair, I can't help you. Even Freud acknowledged that Moses was Egyptian. Pretending you need a source for fair haired Egyptians is disingenuous Shlomo. It's not hard to find.

> GOY

I've no doubt an addition of 'nations' is added to Jewish dictionaries by Jews to show why it's not derogatory. However it IS considered derogatory and Jews take it to mean human animals or cattle. For sources read the hate filled Talmud.

> Greek or Roman

> Find me Greek or Roman advice on raping children, sacrificing children, getting away with evil, how to lie and deceive the rest of the world.

Nothing compares to the Talmud in terms of evil, and the only reason it's 17 books long is to hide the awfulness amid more mundane stuff.

> Nepotism

You want me to prove Jewish nepotism? You doubt it? You've overplayed your hand Shlomo. People are reading this. You need to at least appear credible.

> Point

What is happening is that the power of the internet is rapidly sharing how Jews operate. Most normies cannot initially comprehend how aggressively Jews behave. This is changing and more and more are seeing how a degenerate cult with a manufactured history somehow took control of the money system and are crashing the West.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:48:15 2019 No.13952885 >>13952711 It's a Jewish supremacist rag. The fact that the UK is heavily occupied by the chosen should be obvious to most by now.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:49:08 2019 No.13952891
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>>13952775
>>13952782
The short answer, ignoring the meme picrel, is that the decision-making is different than we see it as readers, as articulated by this anon >>13951881
I don't consider Murakami to have written even one book of redeeming quality, but who knows if he doesn't have some qualities in the eyes of those at the Academy. If they handed it to Murakami instead any of the actual literary artists, that would certainly be annoying, but not exactly unheard of.

>>13951186
>>13952828
What's up with the sudden Tokarczuk push?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:50:37 2019 No.13952905 >>13952729 There's a difference between reasoned arguments against a position and Jews trying to subvert and dissimulate. One is discussion and one is pilpul. It's pretty easy to tell who's desperate to hide their Jewish supremacism here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:50:43 2019 No.13952907 >>13952841 No but that's why I don't engage with bets in that area. I'm just surprised people keep shilling Murakami as if he's remotely likely. If anything that kind of shit only worsen his already dismal prospects.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 17:59:33 2019 No.13952960 >>13952609 No, it hasn't lmao talking about Ashkenazi jews it's even in my up to date psychology books u coping nigger

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:05:49 2019 No.13952995

>>13952876
>EXACTLY THE SAME THING GOYS!
I never said it was exactly the same thing. I said prove me, by quoting the texts themselves, that this is fundamentally different. So far you haven't, and I guess you won't.

>For reference Prof. Thomas Thompson debunks the whole idea of the existence of Israel.
And next time you're going to say angels actually don't exist, and I won't be surprised either.

>If you're unaware that Egyptians were white Europeans with fair hair, I can't help you.
Again the same shtick. "If you don't agree with me you're wrong, of course I won't say anything to help my case". Is this an example of pilpul? Because then I'd understand what you don't like it, it's legitimately idiotic.

>Even Freud acknowledged that Moses was Egyptian.
Freud isn't an expert on ancient history, why would you even mention him? The Egyptian Moses theory is interesting but not because of Freud.

>to show why it's not derogatory.
Not sure what you're trying to say here. Nation means nation, the people of the Earth. The sense of Hebrew word don't change just because you don't agree with it.

>Jews take it to mean human animals or cattle
No they don't, goyim can convert, cattle can't. The most famous founder of the talmud (rabbi Akiba) was the son of a convert.
>For sources read the hate filled Talmud.
No quote of course.
>Nothing compares to the Talmud in terms of evil, and the only reason it's 17 books long is to hide the awfulness amid more mundane stuff.
No quote of course.

> Find me Greek or Roman advice on raping
That's not how you use greentext you retard, is your brain melting as you write? Also see: almost any Greek myth involving Zeus. A nice example:
https://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/olympians.html

>According to the Orphic myth, after he was born, Rhea changed her name to Demeter. >Zeus raped his mother (Rhea/Demeter), and she gave birth to Persephone. Later, Zeus >would raped his own daughter, so that Persephone gave birth to the elder Dionysus, >otherwise known as Zagreus, but the Titans killed the infant (Dionysus). Zeus seduced >Semele, and he became father of a second Dionysus (Bacchus). See Orphic Creation.

Note that I 'm not claiming the Greek were child rapist. Only that child rape appears in their mythology. Ancient sources are very violent by modern standards.

> People are reading this. You need to at least appear credible.
Nice self-aggrandizement. Nobody is reading this but you and me, because everyone else is bored by our spergy exchange. Why would I try to appear credible when you churn out ridiculous claim after ridiculous claim? I just claimed there is a conspiracy against you specifically and nobody noticed, not even you. Are you even reading this?
>Most normies cannot initially comprehend how aggressively Jews behave.
Meh, antisemitism was pretty normie before 1900, it could become normie again, we've been there.
And that sums it all up: meh. You're not even entertaining. Get lost in your own delusions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:06:51 2019 No.13953003 >>13952885 The Anglos are the Jews of the Europeans. They don't need occupation, Jewing is their natural state.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:09:37 2019 No.13953019

>>13952891
>The short answer, ignoring the meme picrel, is that the decision-making is different than we see it as readers, as articulated by this anon >>13951881

You make a good point. But for some reason I feel Murakami isn't "Nobel-lite", he doesn't strike me as a Nobel kind of writer. Of course there is Dylan. But Dylan's career is associated with world history in a way (he's the poster child of a very divisive era of the 20th century) and his award was a very deliberate attempt at broadening the Nobel's scope. What does Murakami brings in this respect?
Of course, as you said, I have no way to really know.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:14:16 2019 No.13953037

>>13952905
Yes but the Jews aren't the only one who subvert and dissimulate. The Greeks literally invented sophistry, presumably Socrates argued against that, but judging from non-Plato contemporaries of Socrates (ie Aristophanes) most Athenians considered him like just another sophist.
Schopenhauer wrote an entire book on the art of winning a debate whatever position you hold.

So, again, this trick of calling an argument "pilpul" when you don't like it is just a bitch move. That's like calling someone a sophist, it's basically a way to admit you have no retort unless (and I stress that last part, it matters a lot) you actually explain how the other person is engaging in sophistry or pilpul.
Just saying "you're doing pilpul, typical jew" is like saying "you're a sophist, truly a Greek", it costs nothing and proves nothing (and adding "it's easy to tell" doesn't cost anything either).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:15:18 2019 No.13953046 >>13952995 *Not that I'm claiming

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:30:11 2019 No.13953135

>>13952960
Ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahhahaaha

Who wrote those books anon?

Who owned the publishing companies?

Who owned the banks which dealt with the financial aspect?

OY VEY. See where this is going?

That 117 figure is not repeatable and came from a selective urban Jewish school. My selective white school would score higher than that. But I don't try to dishonestly claim that score for my whole race.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:35:08 2019 No.13953172

>>13952891
>What's up with the sudden Tokarczuk push?

it's not that sudden. She's been rumoured for years. But the last two are especially good for her. She's getting important awards and nominations, she's getting a lot of good press. Her books are well received in Sweden and that's always a nice thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:36:47 2019 No.13953178 >>13953172 She's alright but too young still.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:37:48 2019 No.13953181 >>13953178 she's 57

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:38:42 2019 No.13953191 >>13953181 ... why yes ? Exactly lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:40:36 2019 No.13953199 >>13953191 it's not that young

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:41:03 2019 No.13953201
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>>13952995

You need to prove that Jews write the bible Shlomo. Start with that.

Prove to me that an ancient kingdom of Israel exists. There is no evidence for it.

Google it. But you won't. Because this is shlomo Pilpul designed to convince the goys watching.

Are you claiming goyim isn't derogatory? I think you said that earlier didn't you? It as great because that's when I KNEW you were lying.

Oh and Zeus raping someone in mythology is not the same as practical advice to Rabbis for raping 3 year old goyim children is it?

AWESOME. This is PEAK FUCKING PILPUL!

Here's a Talmud quote for you below.

And other people WILL read this as I'm screencapping it as an example of a real Pilpul defence in public.

OH and you didn't mention nepotism.... You happy to maybe back down on that one? Or do WASPs and Asian Americans have equally strong in group preference to Jews?

I'm actually enjoying this. Are you in Israel?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:42:00 2019 No.13953204 >>13953172 I just found out that the premieres of Book of Jacob in German and French are on the 9th and 10th October respectively. Securing the business just in case, I see. Anyway, does she have anything actually worth reading?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:42:15 2019 No.13953208 >>13953178 >she's alright She's safe, if that's what you mean. Well within currently accepted paradigms.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:42:27 2019 No.13953209 >>13953037 Not when it's a real life jew doing real live Pilpul. We don't see this often on /lit I guess all those Evola threads flagged something and you put a team here, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:42:53 2019 No.13953213 >>13953199 Condé is 82, Gluck 76, Carson 69. Not saying Tokarczuk has no chance of winning, but...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 18:55:43 2019 No.13953282 >>13949583 All nobel prizes are worthless after Obama won the peace prize for being elected.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:00:49 2019 No.13953312 >>13953282 Solid point. That was ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:00:57 2019 No.13953313 >>13953282 good to know

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:02:55 2019 No.13953321 >>13953201 BASUM ET RUBEO PILULATUM!

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:03:24 2019 No.13953325

>>13953209
You're a pretty entertaining and insightful one, right.
Indeed we have a whole team here. There are tens of us, paid 100$ an hour just to shitpost in that nobel prize /lit/ thread because you know what? /lit/ thread are the most important things going on right now. Because you're posting in them, and you're obviously important. Is that what you wanted to hear?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:08:30 2019 No.13953349 >>13953201 What does this have to do with the thread topic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:14:27 2019 No.13953382 >>13953325 Are you claiming the JIDF and other groups don't spend tens of millions arguing in forums to try to force a positive image for Jews? Phew... >>13953349 Jewish nepotism. One or two {{anons]] are denying it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:18:17 2019 No.13953405 File: 156 KB, 1024x640, jidf en masse.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13953325 Which one are you?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:21:08 2019 No.13953422

>>13953201
>You need to prove that Jews write the bible Shlomo.
Why would I need to prove something that goes against the consensus when you're the one making the argument the consensus is wrong? At least do you job of being an antisemit properly.

>Oh and Zeus raping someone in mythology is not the same as practical advice to Rabbis for raping 3 year old goyim children is it?
Never said it did, reread my post here >>13952995
>Note that I 'm not claiming the Greek were child rapists.

>Prove to me that an ancient kingdom of Israel exists.
Never claimed it did. Read my post a third time >>13952995, I explicitly said I was unsurprised by the claim.

>And other people WILL read this as I'm screencapping it as an example of a real Pilpul defence in public.
There's no public, we're on the internet, this is just autistic shitflinging at a distance. You're not as important as you think you are anon.

>OH and you didn't mention nepotism
I forgot among all the shit you produce.
>do WASPs and Asian Americans have equally strong in group preference to Jews
Your sentence doesn't make much sense, I suppose you wanted to write 'as strong a group preference as Jews'.
As for WASP, it depends, but they use to have pretty strong group preference until quite recently, they even considered the Irish, the French, and the Italian to be disreputable and not to meddle with.
As for the Asians it also depends, Asia is big, first and second generation migrants have pretty strong communautarist behavior, but on national basis (Chinese supports Chinese, Japanese support Japanese, etc), not a continent basis (Asian support Asian).
As for the Jews, depends again, which Jewish groups you're talking about, if you're talking Ashkenazi Jews (the only ones you care about apparently) they're probably pretty communautarist with other Ashkenazi except for the ones who marry with non-Jews. I don't think they have much preference for other Jews except perhaps Israelian Ashkenazi. So roughly same as Asians I'd say.

>Here's a Talmud quote for you below.
Only substantial thing so far. Now this is what google shows me for "Jebhammoth 61a":
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_61.html
Just search for cattle, you get this:
>V, ibid. 37ff. In contrast to cattle, idolaters also may be described as Adam (men).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:22:13 2019 No.13953432 >>13953382 >Are you claiming the JIDF and other groups don't spend tens of millions arguing in forums to try to force a positive image for Jews? I claimed the exact opposite anon. I'm being paid for this post right now with (((your))) money.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:23:15 2019 No.13953442 >>13953405 Wow, you seem to have pinned me good, that exactly the ones itt. With your skills it should be easy to guess which one I am ;^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:23:42 2019 No.13953445 File: 190 KB, 1030x353, jidf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13953325 Oy Vey. The ridicule isn't working. The Goyim know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:25:20 2019 No.13953456 >>13953422 >>13953432 >>13953442 Few of you here now or just one typing fast? Are you in Tel aviv?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:27:24 2019 No.13953468 Wow so this thread degenerated into /pol v. jidf I wonder which side lit will fall on in the information war.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:27:36 2019 No.13953471

>>13953445
You know we are also behing that particulat poster. We're also behind (you).

>>13953456
Only one of those post is long to type, you should know, being a proud warrior of the internet yourself.

>Are you in Tel aviv?
Please don't underestimate me. Look through your nearest window. You should be able to see me with some effort.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:33:10 2019 No.13953503
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>>13953422

Rabbi, may I have some help with this Rabbi please? His funeral was attended by vast crowds - perhaps bigger than Diana's

Those Israelis sure loved him. And he was a chief Rabbi.

So my question is:

If one of the goyim acts out of dislike for this quote, are they anti semitic?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:38:30 2019 No.13953525

>>13953468
There is no hope for this board. The /pol/ faggots are left to parodically message each other for hours as if this were a chatbox, spoilind the discussion and discouraging people from actual discussion about literature. Eventually the whole topic will get jannied into 404 because of them.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:39:11 2019 No.13953529
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>>13953471

> Look through your nearest window. You should be able to see me with some effort.

True to form. When the pilpul doesn't work, the threats start, veiled at first.

You going to take me out Shlomo? You going to get all of us filthy goys?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:40:14 2019 No.13953536

>>13953503
>If one of the goyim acts out of dislike for this quote, are they anti semitic?
What does that mean, act out? Be more precise here.
Since that quote has been condemned by the American Jewish Comittee, dislike of that quote can't be antisemitic. So if you mean merely disliking that quote, that's not being antisemitic, it might even mean you're unknowingly a member of the American Jewish Comittee.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:41:55 2019 No.13953543

>>13953529
It was not a threat, I'm not threatening you anymore than you're threatening me. I'm just giving you a friendly salute, did you catch it?
Anyway I'm tired. Sleep tight, secret member of the American Jewish Comittee. Keep fighting the good fight.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:43:34 2019 No.13953545

>>13953525
Sadly for you the world is waking up.

Normies are realising that the marxist ideology and zionist banking powers have created a false world view. Tackling questions without reference to this is increasingly blinkered.

/biz is already fairly awake.
/fit is aware they're being purposefully demoralised

/vid was redpilled by gamergate

We're in a culture war and it's truth versus lies. Wanting threads where you circle jerk about which particular Jew is the greatest artist this year will be akin to standing up on the battlefield and waving your arms.

If you want your jewish supremacist hugbox to continue you're going to need to censor the internet totally or find somewhere private to talk.

Truth is coming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:44:53 2019 No.13953552 >>13953536 Israelis didn't condemn him for it did they? They LOVED him for his hatred of the goyim.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 19:51:54 2019 No.13953597

>>13953019
The one thing Murakami has going for him is his translatability. Now whether the committee sees this as a negative (I suspect they don’t, they gave Alice Munro and J.M. Coatzee a prize for fuck’s sake) in that it is just Western imitation or as a positive in that it bridges “the gap” between contemporary Eastern and Western sensibilitiy (a point which is laughable to anyone with a cursory understanding of 20th century Japanese culture, but there have been more laughable points the committee overlooked), who’s to say? I doubt they’ll give it to Murakami for at least another five years simply because they just gave it to Ishiguro, and, yes, it really does come to stupid shit like “we can’t have too many X amount if looking people in a row anymore”; the committee basically just came out and said something to that effect last week. Now as for your point about Dylan, I can totally picture a byline detailing why Murakami won as something like: “For capturing the rapidly evolving contemporary Eastern aesthetic sensibility in postwar Japan” or something that quickly does a lot of gestural globalist work without a lot of substance. It’s the same shit they did for Munro, who outside of the context of domestic life in Canada or the feminist movement in the 60s really makes no fucking sense but we like to shill as a modern Chekhov to hide some very banal truths about how publication works.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 20:13:14 2019 No.13953676

>>13953597
I see. Thanks for the thoughtful answer. So perhaps Murakami winning is not as outlandish as I imagined, maybe for some reason I felt Munro was really some kind of modern great while Murakami was very middle-brow. The idea of not having too many writers of the same country (or race of whatever) in a row kinda makes sense too, this is not the 1920s and you can expect to see underrated goof stuff in a lot of places.
Do you have an idea of how comprehensive the range of authors the comittee considers is? I understand your point about the practical details of publication, but certainly what kind authors are brought to their attention and what aren't is a big part of the mechanism.
What would you be your best bets for this year's award (if you haven't given it already itt)?

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 20:33:31 2019 No.13953751

>>13953676
I have no idea about the range, and as I mentioned in >>13951881 I imagine that stuff is arbitrary in ways we could never imagine. That’s not to say that the range they choose won’t also include people we all could probably agree deserve it, but there have been some out-of-left-field choices; like you really have to wonder who on the committee thought it was a good time to dig up Ishiguro, and well over half the writers from the prior decade are utterly forgotten now (which isn’t really a unique situation, just look at the first twenty years of the prize, a time where the greatest writers of the 20th century were alive and active, and you will see the faces of obscurity) so I’m not sure how he committee thought they were “prominent” enough to ever award the prize. Even people like Golding and Llosa are strange to me; like sure they’re widely read but who really vouched for those guys at the global level? As for my predictions, like I said earlier, I think it’s telling Krazsnahorkai just realized what’s being slated as his last novel, and Rushdie just finished a pretty critically safe book. They both have a spot next to the inevitable diversity win. I think Kundera absolutely deserves a place at the table but, like Pinecone and McCarthy, I think he would be unfashionable, not to mention untimely given the rape scandal and the overtly sensual nature of his works, and I think the committee will continue to pass over Murakami and Thiongo merely because they are fan-favorites, widely anticipated, well reasoned and a partial role of the Nobel committee is to play something like a popular critic where their opinion has to range over everyone else’s or whatever, at least that’s how they see it internally, that much is obvious. I really think Kraznahorkai has a shot, and I do not think the diversity win will come from the anglosphere. It may be that Caribbean woman everyone is talking about, but I also imagine that, like Svetlana, the diversity win will come out of left field. One thing I haven’t really thought about is the potential for publishers to have some sway in the matter; after all, as soon as a winner is announced, publishers reprint whole ouvres with the newly minted Nobel stamp of approval. Though even that sounds more nefarious (in other words, premeditated, predicted, controlled) than it actually is. I could go on and on about people who absolutely won’t win (DeLillo, Houllebecq, any Brit, any poet, etc.).

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 20:37:21 2019 No.13953768 >>13953751 Handke is dead and buried lol. Rip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 20:40:06 2019 No.13953785 >>13949606 He's popular? Bought a few of his books from a thrift shop and couldn't find much info on him online. Always thought he was kind of looked over, definitely not going to win a prize. Great writer though, I should probably learn Italian

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 20:41:04 2019 No.13953788 >>13953768 I just think Handke is too controversial. Think of how Pasternak looms over the committees history, or how Mahfouz got stabbed. But like I said Tolstoy and Joyce were passed over so he’s in good company.

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 21:12:36 2019 No.13953905

>>13953545
I'm a literal Palestinian Christian who has heard the typical pol jew rhetoric before the internet even existed and I'm here to tell you that you're a faggot who has no idea wtf you're talking about, you have no truth and whatever movement you think is happening is pure delusion fueled by an internet addiction. fuck off to your shithole and let us discuss literature in peace. You're not some truthsayer trying to spread an esoteric gospel to defensive victims, you're the retarded homeless man that smells like piss holding a picket sign of basic ass platitudes on the street

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 21:22:15 2019 No.13953946 >>13949931 tony kushner, i'd imagine

Anonymous Mon Oct 7 21:34:25 2019 No.13953997

>>13953751
I think the big factor with publishers is when they smell the possibility with a particular author and so they get their books translated and published in Sweden. It goes without saying thay it's not cheap, even if there's a local Swedish interest in acquiring publishing rights, and takes years with anyone with output sizeable enough to be considered for the prize.
I noticed such efforts with Tokarczuk who's only getting published in English, French and German since very recently, but has already had at least five of her books translated to Swedish in 2016 or earlier. Such things rarely happen organically. She also received some Swiss award recently, funded by a foundation owned by the owner of her publisher. And now, her big 'Jacob' book is freshly released in French and German to capitalise on the hype or even the possible win.
One can only imagine similar efforts are widespread for other prospective winners.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 22:38:22 2019 No.13954312 I would bet 4 euros on Karl Ove Knausgård.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 22:57:00 2019 No.13954388 File: 85 KB, 562x767, uoyBkvPySPMi8iTiXRkDmj6Tu76djV18cprnFTp0MLI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] MATHIAS ENARD AND WILLIAM VOLLMANN

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 23:16:47 2019 No.13954463 >>13954388 >MATHIAS ENARD Too young. >WILLIAM VOLLMANN Too controversial.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 7 23:21:17 2019 No.13954480 >>13949702 seething

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:09:43 2019 No.13954687 >>13950025 >whites >underrepresented whites are 7% of the population, yet over 75% of nobel prize winners

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:11:29 2019 No.13954695 >>13951656 >jew >white pick one

Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:14:39 2019 No.13954720

>>13951881
>"push for global literature"
>in all honest fair enough
no. what african book has impacted society across the world more than european writers?
It just hasnt
hence why movies, comic books and such find ways to change white characters to black, because they dont have any good literature
what matters is its cultural contribution and acceptance in society.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:18:38 2019 No.13954746 >>13952995 saying all western literature is stolen from the middleeast is as retarded as saying the jews control everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:21:03 2019 No.13954760 >>13949931 Mamet, I guess? Ugh. Better than Dylan (obviously), and a step down from Ishiguro. Even Chris Durango would be better if we had to go for an American playwright, which is not saying much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:22:28 2019 No.13954770 >>13950578 Based and redpilled underrated post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:26:25 2019 No.13954795 >>13954760 Durang*

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:43:05 2019 No.13954894 I would really want Kundera to win it, he has been the sole writer keeping the Broch / Musil strand of literature alive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:47:53 2019 No.13954923 >>13950656 >2022: an analysis of the wavelengths bouncing of a pot in a room from a specific angle

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 00:59:50 2019 No.13954975 >>13951248 >The absolute state of The Economist nowadays. >nowadays Even Marx and Lenin shitted on The Economist.

Anonymous Tue Oct 8 01:13:13 2019 No.13955021

>>13949583
They gave the prize to a fucking singer last time, and people still take this shit seriously?

Given there was a sexual harassment fuss last year, I assume one or both of the winners will be women, as an appeasement move. And even if both are women, the woke crowd will still complain because they're not diverse enough, or because one of the winners once sent a grumpy tweet to someone higher on the progressive stack, or suchlike.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 01:58:38 2019 No.13955155 >>13950338 Some countries existed in the past that do not exist today, and some times they were expelled from cities or areas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 03:31:23 2019 No.13955389 File: 132 KB, 1080x602, Screenshot_20191008_103046.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13949988 What a coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 04:53:23 2019 No.13955561 >>13955021 >last time wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 04:59:27 2019 No.13955570 File: 19 KB, 220x298, nabcol.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13954720 >impacted society oh no no no

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:11:30 2019 No.13955720 >>13955021 The Swedish Academy has largely ignored calls for diversity by the woke crowd, and certainly the american one, I'm not sure why they'd start now. You're severely overestimating the Academy's interest in that sort of progressivism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:14:22 2019 No.13955727 >>13952559 I could see Murakami getting it going very badly. The way he writes women is, uh, interesting and the prize is trying to get over a retarded sexism "scandal". Will be fun to see the reaction if it does happen though

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:19:33 2019 No.13955739 murakami is just a betting list meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:23:08 2019 No.13955746 >>13954720 >why movies, comic books and such hmm

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:24:10 2019 No.13955750 >>13954687 >>13954695

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 06:42:37 2019 No.13955793 >>13954760 I don't even know this guy, but if he is a step down from fucking Ishiguro, lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 10:53:38 2019 No.13956570 >>13954388 Volmann could come to the ceremony as Gloria.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 11:16:56 2019 No.13956685 >>13955793 Ishiguro is great. He wrote a perfect novel (Remains of the Day) and the best novel of the last 25 years (The Unconsoled). The rest of his work varies, but those two works are terrific.

Anonymous Tue Oct 8 11:36:09 2019 No.13956790

>>13953751
Thanks again, the names you brought up seem very legit (particularly Krashnazorkai) and I guess sadly you're right about Kundera and how the Nobel comittee is trying to avoid fan favorites (which I find a bit of a pity, although it is understandable). Ultimately I suppose it's also a kind of a gambling game (on the part of the betters but also on the aprt of the academy), secrecy and surprise are essential parts of the process.

Perhaps something far out of left field as you say will be for the best. There are so many solid underrated authors that would benefit from the prize. I tend to think about this pragmatically: what new author will we get to discover thanks to this prize?
Crowning already almost canonical writers makes sense and is perhaps necessary for the Nobel to save whatever credit it has left, but I think it isn't very useful to the extent that those writers won't gain any more notoriety from such a prize.

As for the twenty first years of the prize I heard the comittee initially interpreted its mission statement ("reward a writer with an ideal") as "rewarding authors who extol the ideal of their Nation". So national bards, poets who purposefully wrote in dialect (like Mistral), etc. were the go-to laureates.

Anonymous Tue Oct 8 11:44:27 2019 No.13956827

>>13954746
But I never said that. Borrowing from sources is ubiquitous in all literature until at least the 18th century, that's why accusing ancients writer of plagiarism is always a sketchy argument to make. Which was precisely my point.

>>13954720
The Nobel is not only about impact, otherwise they would have awarded Tolstoy, Zola, Céline, Joyce, etc.

>>13954923
Now that's a book I would read.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 13:30:01 2019 No.13957299 >>13955720 You literally missed the memo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 13:33:59 2019 No.13957320 >>13954720 >english speaking tradition = all Europe this is just bait, right? or are you really this retarded and eager to argue

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 13:54:28 2019 No.13957413 Houllebecq, Celine, or bukowski maybe Nabokov

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 14:24:02 2019 No.13957594 >>13952236 Mason & Dixon

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 14:40:01 2019 No.13957662 >>13955021 >whining about the woke boogeyman grow up, faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 15:20:14 2019 No.13957845 >>13956685 Haven't read any Ishiguro, and The Unconsoled seems to be the only one that piques my interest, is that a good place to start?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 15:21:29 2019 No.13957852 >>13957845 >the only one that piques my interest >is that a good place to start? I don't need to have read him to know that the answer is yes

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 15:21:42 2019 No.13957854 File: 2.51 MB, 286x258, 1547513629133.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13957413 >I just started reading last week

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 17:43:41 2019 No.13958624 >>13957413 This is such a brilliant post in its entirety tbqh

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 22:20:22 2019 No.13960216 bumpe

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 8 22:25:11 2019 No.13960249 >>13952223 those on the horseshoe can't see themselves on the horseshoe just watch rhe show bro free entertainment

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 04:35:08 2019 No.13961490 I accept any amout of honest PoCs from Africa over any of the fake memes like Atwood, Murakami and Tokarczuk.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 04:39:23 2019 No.13961502 >>13949702 Nah, she will get the Peace Prize tho

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 04:40:47 2019 No.13961508 >>13949583 Darkk Mane for display of supreme pain

Anonymous Wed Oct 9 04:57:57 2019 No.13961549

>>13949583
Considering the scandals and following debacle they'll probably try to repair their reputation. My prediction is that they pick some obscure literally who (female) and some old fart to appease the literary crowd. I could possibly see Pinecone getting this years prize.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 05:20:02 2019 No.13961613 >>13949931 Tiger Woods?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 06:11:09 2019 No.13961736 batteries lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 08:27:59 2019 No.13962138 >>13949583 The only nobel prize 4chan cares about is dynamite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 08:45:56 2019 No.13962193 Why are nobel laureate authors never talked about here

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 08:48:21 2019 No.13962201 >>13962193 i had one as a professor, he had us do weird homework assignments. one of them was to go for a walk in the woods, bring five leaves from different plants home, and to try to figure out what the plants are called.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 08:57:24 2019 No.13962231 >>13962201 What chair was he teaching?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 08:58:52 2019 No.13962236 >>13962231 Leafology

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 09:06:27 2019 No.13962263 >>13962193 >not mainstream enough >if they are mainstream, they are too mainstream (like Ishiguro) >not English enough These are my takes

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 10:42:28 2019 No.13962645 >>13962193 Tolstoy, Borges and Gorky died without a Nobel. The whole thing is a joke.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 12:52:10 2019 No.13963181 >>13962231 Canadian studies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 13:08:17 2019 No.13963246 >>13961490 you probably haven't read anything by tokarczuk... she is great writer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 13:16:15 2019 No.13963277 >>13962193 Because they aren't relevant.

Anonymous Wed Oct 9 13:35:55 2019 No.13963347

>>13963246
Actually I have, in Polish, and it is all (Prawiek, KJ, O. bizarne, Bieguni) okay at best and says nothing meaningful or profound. She revels in platitudes and pretty much bates for Nobel, she'll be forgotten like other feels authors who win this award. Can't wait for KJ to be translated to English so that majority of this board (>implying) can see how lukewarm it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 14:13:59 2019 No.13963503 >>13949583 Paulo Coelho. He's being anti-Bolsonaro and probably Swedish will swede.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 14:15:48 2019 No.13963513 >>13963347 It’s also rather average in french, I must admit. I assume people praising her in this thread are mostly anglos ?

Anonymous Wed Oct 9 14:49:15 2019 No.13963618

>>13963513
I don't think Anglos know her all too much, her 'big' book in English is only being translated now, due 2021. I think it's mostly Poles: the users of Polish version of Goodreads are all over Tokarczuk ("our girl", the typical "Polish=best no matter what"), Atwood, and Murakami. This is the type of readers who think she's great, but Poles don't read at all — only one-third are reported as having 'opened' a book in a year, and of those only some small percentage would have read something non-trivial — and thus Poles have statistically discardable taste and opinions. As for the Swedes, they will take anyone who doesn't completely suck and doesn't cause typical 2019 media shitstorm, so she will likely get it some day, maybe even tomorrow, it's a polotical prize after all.
As for her writing skills however — I do not say it in jest — Houellebecq is a galaxy brain philosopher and writer next to Tokarczuk, and is actually honest and not a tool to ideologies. Cartarescu, Pynch, even Carson — those are demi-gods in comparison.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 15:16:45 2019 No.13963711 >>13949999 Houellebecq is far too illiberal to have the remotest chance to win.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 16:52:45 2019 No.13964222 Salman Rushdie and Margaret Atwood

Anonymous Wed Oct 9 16:55:07 2019 No.13964231

i read drive your plow over the bones of the dead by that polish lady and it was ok but it wasn't incredible. the main character was fun if a bit self-inserty and the ending where it just turned into a big exposition of 'so this is what happened' was really bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 16:57:24 2019 No.13964241 >>13964222 Rushdie and Krasznahorkai if by some random chance a graphic novel won it maybe something by Alan Moore? He just retired this year but I doubt something like that will happen this year.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 16:59:34 2019 No.13964252 >>13964241 >Alan Moore With all the creepy rapey stuff? no way.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:03:03 2019 No.13964266 So who's the jew janny who ran amok itt to stop the noticing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:06:06 2019 No.13964283 >Rushdie >McCarthy >Pynchon >Krasznahorkai I think it could well be one of these four and I would be satisfied with any of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:24:21 2019 No.13964373 I really hope António Lobo Antunes finally wins. But he probably won't, Saramago won too recently

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:47:44 2019 No.13964472 What about Isabel Allende for The House of the Spirits?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:53:58 2019 No.13964499 What time is the prize normally announced?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 17:56:46 2019 No.13964514 >>13964472 >Female South American writer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 18:02:54 2019 No.13964539 >>13964472 But Isabel Allende is soccer-mom-core

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 18:19:16 2019 No.13964607 >>13954746 the jews control everything

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 18:20:03 2019 No.13964612 File: 34 KB, 500x299, coelho.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13963503 >paulo coelho nobel winner kys

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 18:25:43 2019 No.13964628 >>13964266 me :)

Anonymous Wed Oct 9 20:39:37 2019 No.13965260

>>13964283
>Rushdie
eh...
>In 1989, Werner Aspenström, Kerstin Ekman and Lars Gyllensten chose to stop participating in the meetings of the academy, over its refusal to express support for Salman Rushdie when Ayatollah Khomeini condemned him to death for The Satanic Verses

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:35:34 2019 No.13965536 >>13949931 Lol Sorkin?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:41:08 2019 No.13965561 >>13964612 wtf, I like coehlo now

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:44:47 2019 No.13965577 >>13964373 >Saramago won too recently 21 years

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:53:22 2019 No.13965622 QUICK, TURN THE TV ON, MICHEL HOUELLEBECQ HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED AS THE WINNER

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:54:55 2019 No.13965626 >>13957413 Dead

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 21:58:24 2019 No.13965643 >tfw when ngugi won't win just because the fuckers won't know how to pronounce his name MOVE THE CENTRE

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 23:48:53 2019 No.13966156 >>13949583 My guess would be Can Xue or Tokarczuk and Ngugi wa Thiongo or Javier Marias or Krasznahorkai or Nooteboom.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 9 23:54:32 2019 No.13966175 >>13966156 > Ngugi wa Thiongo lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 05:23:26 2019 No.13967017 File: 34 KB, 1139x863, Screenshot_2019-10-10 The Nobel Prize in Literature 2019 Nicer Odds.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] betting company asspulls:

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 05:34:32 2019 No.13967034 >>13967017 >yfw I put 10$ on random ching chong noname and make that fat 230$ profit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:10:11 2019 No.13967087 >>13949623 >bob dylan >respectable

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:13:27 2019 No.13967094 >>13967017 >>13967034 >people bet on nobels >people bet on literally anything what even is this

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:21:21 2019 No.13967110 Putting my money on Rupi Kaur or Zadie Smith

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:25:07 2019 No.13967118 >>13967094 betting should unironically be outlawed

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:27:06 2019 No.13967127 >>13962193 /lit/ circlejerks about a handful of authors that died before the nobel existed and another handful of authors that are only good as memes

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:27:56 2019 No.13967128 Rob Dylan

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:32:42 2019 No.13967148 surely they're going to give one to Atwood

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:34:56 2019 No.13967156 >>13967148 swedish critics didn't like her latest

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 06:45:57 2019 No.13967183 >>13953525 Don't worry about this board anon. It's fully converged by grabblers. It looks like the mods are fully on board with Jewish supremacism. Look how they've pruned this thread of discussion about Jews being lauded beyond their talent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:01:40 2019 No.13967229 polan strong

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:02:35 2019 No.13967234 Olga Tokarczuk and Peter Handke

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:02:54 2019 No.13967235 File: 777 KB, 636x634, Skjermbilde.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who the fucks are these

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:03:28 2019 No.13967240 >>13967235 Handke is great, don’t be dense. Politics kept him out for decades.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:03:57 2019 No.13967242 >>13967240 never heard about him, will check it out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:03:57 2019 No.13967243 >>13967234 literally who

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:04:51 2019 No.13967248 File: 62 KB, 620x551, z24527094Q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] based, read Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:06:12 2019 No.13967255 >>13967240 he was weirdly into serbian nationalism back when the balkan had its periodic moment in western consciousness, but his work is really great.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:06:33 2019 No.13967258 Pleasantly surprised about Handke. I really didn't think they would reward him. >>13967243 Read her Primeval and Other Times.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:06:38 2019 No.13967259 nobel so white

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:07:59 2019 No.13967263 Olga feels premature but w/e. Long live Handke. Better than Antunes.

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:09:00 2019 No.13967267
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Once again the Swedish Acdemy has failed in their given task of awarding the most important author of the present age. Though, to be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to pronounce "Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o". The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Kenyan history most of the jokes will go over a typical reader's head. There's also the author's fanonistic outlook, which is deftly woven into the narration—his cadence draws heavily from gicaandi singing, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these commentaries, to realize that they're not just politically poignant—they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Ngũgĩ truly ARE idiots—of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the sad humour in Matigari's existential catchphrase "I am looking for my children," which itself is a cryptic reference to Gakaara's Gikuyu epic Wa-Nduuta: Hingo ya Paawa. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Ngũgĩ wa Thiong'o's genius unfolds itself on the page in front of them. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have an Expert in Modern Theft and Robbery tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only—and even then they have to demonstrate that they're at least 5 degrees of class privilege below myself (preferably even lower) beforehand.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:09:31 2019 No.13967270 Guess I better read them now

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:11:13 2019 No.13967273 File: 77 KB, 329x550, 5B485885-1D37-44C2-B454-4B43E9C86050.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chef-d’œuvre.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 07:36:00 2019 No.13967345 both great writers

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 08:27:00 2019 No.13967509
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I'M SO FUCKING MAD

BONNIER'S, THE BY FAR DOMINANT FAMILY IN SWEDISH PUBLISHING, BOUGHT THE RIGHTS TO TOKARCZUK'S WORKS LESS THAN A FUCKING MONTH AGO FROM A SMALL PUBLISHING FIRM

NOONE IS GOING TO INVESTIGATE THIS BECAUSE THE BONNIERS ARE TOO POWERFUL IN SWEDEN'S INCESTUOUS CULTURAL WORLD

WHY DO THEY GET AWAY WITH THIS SHIT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 08:30:07 2019 No.13967521 >>13949583 One will be an n-word, the other will be a f-word.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 08:35:05 2019 No.13967539 >>13967509 pretty shady shit anon fuck those guys

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 08:58:27 2019 No.13967618 Lol they actually awarded Handke. Bound to rehearse all the controversy over his support of Milosevic yet again

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:10:29 2019 No.13967655 File: 42 KB, 620x465, Slobodan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >neither is gay >neither is black >neither is a tranny >both are Europeans What the fuck, you lied to me /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:13:12 2019 No.13967663 File: 238 KB, 547x343, Arboga.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13967509 Sauce? Fucking hilarious if true.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:17:37 2019 No.13967683 >>13967663 >>13967539 >>13967509 Sauce: https://www.albertbonniersforlag.se/nyheter/olga-tokarczuk-till-albert-bonniers-forlag/ Note that they didn't buy any other rights, at least they haven't advertised it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:20:27 2019 No.13967694 >>13967273 indeed my grenouille

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:25:40 2019 No.13967721 File: 11 KB, 171x201, Winner Amazing Incredible.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13967683 >literally 2 weeks ago

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:33:29 2019 No.13967750 >>13967017 >Georges R R Martin Is there a way to make money by exploiting that kind of stupidity? I'm not for exploiting the weak usually but goddamn that particular idiocy deserves to be exploited.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:35:09 2019 No.13967757 >>13967750 they've had kanye west and zlatan too

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:35:43 2019 No.13967758 >>13967267 Classic pasta reworked for the occasion. Good job anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:37:19 2019 No.13967764 >>13967655 This is classic Nobel. Semi-obscure writers with weird-sounding and preferably Salvic, German or Nordic-sounding name. That plus the occasional Asian is typical Nobel-core.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:39:34 2019 No.13967776 >>13967757 I would unironically support those. They've both redefined the art of the public statement.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:48:11 2019 No.13967801 >>13967764 >any of those two >semi-obscure

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 09:55:56 2019 No.13967831 >>13967110 actually, why is Zadie Smith never mentioned in these "who will get the NP" articles? I even saw Sally Rooney mentioned (...) but never Smith

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 14:09:59 2019 No.13968886 >>13967801 Handke is definitely somewhat obscure. He hasn't been translated to that many languages, and only a few of his books have >1000 ratings on goodreads.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 14:13:48 2019 No.13968897 >>13967267 Your prize is a hoax

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 14:18:18 2019 No.13968919 >>13967831 she's too young and midbrow i've only ever seen rooney mentioned ironically, lumped together with other young, popular authors

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 14:47:00 2019 No.13969069

Is this whole event some joke, and Swedes will post tomorrow some follow-up "lol it was a joke xd" or something? Who is that Tokarczuk? Why did they chose some SJW? Why did they chose a women who didn't know that Poland had no colonies? What the fuck is going on?

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 15:03:15 2019 No.13969140

>>13968919
>i've only ever seen rooney mentioned ironically, lumped together with other young, popular authors
same, but I was wondering why Smith wasn't even mentioned like that... I guess she's too highbrow to be made fun of but too lowbrow (and young, yes) to be seen as a serious contender. But then Murakami is mentioned a lot and I don't really see how he's more highbrow than Smith? (I never liked any of them that much desu)

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 15:35:43 2019 No.13969307
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>>13969140
>Murakami is mentioned a lot
that's because of betting lists
Murakami fans are dumb enough to bet for him even with low odds, so there's no reason for them to give good ones
then the media buys into it and it becomes perpetuated
HK is also a lot more popular than DF'sWaifu

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 19:44:19 2019 No.13970432 >>13949623 >obama >not a black transgender disabled muslim woman

Anonymous Thu Oct 10 19:52:12 2019 No.13970474

How do I even achieve literary relevancy? How can I ensure all the snobbish authors I enjoy reading during lunch will, at least, be constantly namedropped when the Nobels are near, and not just by pretentious entry-level heavy-readers on an anonymous Internet board?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 23:37:43 2019 No.13971743 >>13967801 You need to take a step back and realize how much the average prized writer is known by the general population, even the general population of people who read more than 20 books a year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 10 23:39:27 2019 No.13971749 >>13970474 I suppose killing the other contenders is always a pretty safe strategy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 00:19:16 2019 No.13971918 >>13949583 >be me >stem major >literally thought writing was dead >mfw people actually read new books >mfw they still award writers >mfw some of these books will become classics this is like a whole other world I'm looking at

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 01:57:35 2019 No.13972251 >>13967235 >Handke Oh shit,a Nobel winner I've actually read beforehand. I dropped Short Letter, Long Farewell halfway through, but that still qualifies, right?

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 02:07:43 2019 No.13972288

>>13971749
No cunt, I mean how do I get to AT LEAST recognize who these two fuckers who received the price this year EVEN are?

The entirety of the authors discussed on /lit/ and undergrad academia were on its prime AT LEAST 20 years ago. How do I get to read these niche authors only PhD graduates in Latvian literature recognize that end up getting all of the prizes?

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 02:24:52 2019 No.13972351

>>13972288
They’re not THAT obscure. Tokaczuk is mentioned on /lit/ from time to time and has been speculated to win before. Just read more snobby literary fiction, or if you’re really lazy look up what people are betting will win from other years. Krasznahorkai, for example, will probably get it at some point.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 03:38:33 2019 No.13972570

>>13967831
Smith is one of those authors who we keep waiting to become better. The debut had hype, but got downgraded in status over time. She followed it with a let-down then a very very conventional britfic book. The last couple were well reviewed but with reservations.

I also think she's a bad Nobel call because they're interested in career-spanning projects, and her main one is ventriloquising London speech patterns. Limited appeal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 05:15:01 2019 No.13972782 >>13971918 you can't kill litterature even if stephen king or jk rowling tried their best

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 05:35:27 2019 No.13972816 >>13967094 I once made $20 betting Trump would win the elections. Got 5:1 odds on that one. Just looked it up, and he's only 6:5 for 2020. So we're getting 4 more years.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 06:08:22 2019 No.13972876 File: 86 KB, 620x410, thomas-pynchon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apologize

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 06:30:30 2019 No.13972916 >>13971743 Handke is a classic. I don’t care about your population. Handke is better, more influential than Cormac or DeLillo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:17:58 2019 No.13973194 >>13971918 it's a "it's not dead it just smells funny" kind of thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:40:02 2019 No.13973241 >>13972288 I still stand by my earlier solution. Kill everyone until the only possible picks left are the authors you like. When in doubt, kill everyone, that's my motto.

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:44:06 2019 No.13973250

>>13972916
>Handke is a classic.
>an author born after 1920 is already a classic
That's not how it works anon. Shakespeare is a classic. Jane Austen is a classic. Debatably Hemingway is a classic. Handke is still way too young for that. In 30 years maybe. And yes, Handke was still semi-obscure before receiving the prize. Even Krash is still somewhat obscure.

I don't care about either Cormac or DeLillo, and I don't think being better than them really means much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:47:12 2019 No.13973270 >>13972251 isn't it like 70 pages long?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:49:16 2019 No.13973276 File: 95 KB, 684x705, tourist_sily is plunderphonics.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13973250 >Hemingway

Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:51:12 2019 No.13973284

>>13973276
I don't like it anymore than you do but it's not up to me if everyone fawns over him. He's part of the literary landscape for good and even people who don"t read have heard about him. That's not something you can change by posting wojaks on the internet, sorry anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:53:54 2019 No.13973290 >>13971918 >be me FUCK OFF STOPPED READING YOUR BLOG RIGHT THERE

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 08:56:41 2019 No.13973300 File: 28 KB, 655x509, apu_anhero.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13973284 if pepes can elect trump, wojacks can erase hemingway, r-r-r-right?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:09:51 2019 No.13973332 >>13973276 Hemingway is the ultimate pleb filter.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:15:13 2019 No.13973348 >>13973250 You sound anglo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 11 09:34:56 2019 No.13973394 >>13967255 >/lit/ is against serbian nationalist by fucking god this truly is the lowest IQ, NPC board of them all isn't it

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