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Imagine 2500 years of the world's "most intelligent men" dedicating all their lives and energy to philosophy and being utterly and irrecoverably BTFO in under 30 years by one man

>> No.13945971

Yeah, he was a pretty cool guy.

>> No.13945987
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>>13945964
Stirner is better than him imo. Also Nietzsche's philosophy is based around Stirner's ideas.

>> No.13945990

>>13945987
Stirner was based, but Nietzsche was a visionary like Daniel.

>> No.13946006

Nietzche was good but is pretty overrated all in all

>> No.13946299

>>13945964
Nah he basically copy pasted Callicles.
There isn't nothing new or original after the greeks desu.

>> No.13946305

Shame that’s not what happened and you’re just an uneducated idiot easily seduced by Nietzsche’s tone

>> No.13946308

>>13946305
t. seething moralfag

>> No.13946314

>>13946308
t. seething eunuch who needs his german to think for him

>> No.13946320

>>13946314
cope

>> No.13946323

>>13946320
Cringe

>> No.13946331

>>13946323
have sex

>> No.13946344

>>13946331
You first :)

>> No.13946398
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>>13945964
/lit/cel here.

What did this guy actually say? I don't actually read any of the stuff posted here i just read what anons say about them

>> No.13946408

>>13946398
OP here, I haven't read him yet (The Portable Nietzsche is in the mail tho, that's the version Butterfly recommends) but apparently he BTFOs th*Ists

>> No.13946426

>>13945964
Nietzsche's fans are the vegans of philosophy.

If he was so amazing, he would not end up being a miserable guy who had a mental breakdown.

>> No.13946470

>>13946426
ad hom non sequitur

>> No.13946472

>>13946426
He wasn't miserable and he had brain cancer, not a mental breakdown.

>> No.13946510

>>13946470
Well, I'm working on the same level as you guys.

>>13946472
He was a very miserable man and he did have a mental breakdown. He saw a man whipping a horse, ran up threw his arms around the horse and collapsed.

>> No.13946554

>>13946426
That was the syphilis

>> No.13946626

>>13946510
>He saw a man whipping a horse, ran up threw his arms around the horse and collapsed
this is silly
doesn't nietzsche know that horses are fine with being treated as slaves?

>> No.13946631

>>13946398
Try The Gay Science and Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Kaufmann translations are good. He sought to create a philosophy of life founded upon the idealized man, that could replace and surpass a philosophy of life founded upon the highest God. I think he ultimately failed. The Parable of the Madman started my journey from an oblivious Dawkins tier atheist back to a theist.

>> No.13946635

very based indeed, nietzsche proved everything is a cope by losers. he's an honorary analytic philosopher because he eternally btfo other continentals

>> No.13946642

>>13946510
Schopenhauer won then.

>> No.13946690

>>13946510
The horse story was published anonymously in an Italian newspaper 11 years after the fact and is also a replica from Dostoevsky. Do your homework before posting.

>> No.13946694

>>13946554
There was no syphilis. It was brain cancer.

>> No.13946701

>>13946694
You took a biopsy?

>> No.13946710

>>13946308
and whats wrong with morals exactly? They distinguish you from animals.

>> No.13946727

>>13946701
Doctors agree now that the recorded symptoms and conditions don't add up to syphilis and instead to brain cancer. Do 5 minutes of Google searching and you'll see.

>> No.13946733

>>13946690
I have never seen someone doubting the horse story.

>> No.13946737

>>13946710
>They distinguish you from animals.
Yeah, but not in a good way. They make you weaker than animals.

>> No.13946743

>>13946733
Because you don't actually read or participate in academic circles.

>> No.13947043

>>13946743
Are they like what I've heard, where it's a literal circle with naked men comparing their penises and talking about books?

>> No.13947060

>>13947043
No. You can lose the boner now.

>> No.13947086

>>13947060
>You can lose the boner now
Care to help me with that?

>> No.13947111
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>>13945990
then why Nietzsche never acknowledge the influence Stirner had on him?

>> No.13947226

>>13946631
>reading Nietzsche
>still being a theist
wanna know how I know you're a bad reader of Nietzsche

>> No.13947253

>>13947226
>read book
>adopt all ideology the book offers
This is how I know you don't know how to truly read. Instead only follow suggestions, like a warehouse monkey.

>> No.13947272

>>13947111
>>13945987

the similarities between neesha and stirner are superficial. they were both steeped in german philosophy and culture, and encounter many of the same thinkers but this is basically a meme from turn of the 20th century anarchists who read both and created a hardly link between the

>> No.13947342

>>13947253
Nietzsche doesn't offer much in terms of ideology. most of his work is negative and critical, and what little he positively offers is rooted in very basic ideas about desires/psychology

if you genuinely apply his criticism of theology and its institutions, there's nothing left to house any kind of theism that isn't reducible to resentment, fears of death, and regular human desires

>> No.13947381

>>13946398
The universe has no intrinsic meaning or purpose. Purpose and meaning are projected onto objects from the subject - he uses the idea of gendered language as an example, as if fucking flowers have gender. Working from that the only rational conclusion is that the object, whatever it is, is only knowable to the subject if the subject exists. If the subject does not exist, the object cannot be known. Zarathustra talking to the dead man relates back to this, for example. Therefore the subject's idea of the object is based on the subject, not in the object. If this is true then the subjects ideas in most everything are based in the subject, which would render the subject entirely reliant upon itself to make meaning of the world.

Nietzsche was not rejoicing when he said "God is dead and we have killed him." He saw, and was terrified of, the future of a society without a guiding belief, a society of infinitely atomised subjects projecting themselves onto other similarly predisposed people. He compared it to a small boat being lost at sea with no stars or wind to guide or drive it. He saw the future as one of endless apathy and tension, of every man being the patron of their own personal God.