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[Anonymous No.13939152]

>start reading marx
>Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
I'm starting to think that the american left is not very true to its roots, you guys

[Anonymous No.13939162]

The American "left" is just neolibs fren. I am Marxist and pro gun.

[Anonymous No.13939169]

>>13939152
The only reason I consider voting right is gun rights and abortion. I agree with most if not all of anarchist/leftist theory, it's really a shame.

[Anonymous No.13939172]

>>13939152
Are European leftists in favor of civilians having access to firearms?

[Anonymous No.13939179]

They’re neomarxists. It’s a complete bastardization of Marxism.
“Cultural Marxism” is often dismissed off hand as a right wing tinfoil hat meme but it’s a real thing. It’s just probably not the best name for what’s going on.
What we have nowadays are marxist theory of class struggle applied to race and gender instead of economics. That’s what “cultural Marxism” is.

[Anonymous No.13939190]

Someone explain OP's pic to me, I don't know anything about politics.

[Anonymous No.13939192]

Too bad that under Marx time they only had rifles and canons.
Nowadays there's tanks, air planes, air craft carriers, etc...

[Anonymous No.13939200]

The American Left has absolutely nothing to do with Marx, however. Marxism is an intellectual fad, a commodity.

[Anonymous No.13939206]

>>13939179
"Cultural Marxism" was a term used in Orthodox Tsarist communities to refer to the situation of the Russian Federation wherein most still had a pro-USSR view. Some retards stole it and made it their own thing.

[Anonymous No.13939213]

>>13939172
I don't know, I'm not euro. It seems like a lot of euro politics are downstream of american politics, though, so I would guess that it's at least contentious

[Anonymous No.13939226]

>>13939190
Communism has been neutered and absorbed by progressive liberalism, while libertarians and fascists find themselves on the same side fighting against censorship, an increasingly large state, and the totalitarian social mores of the progs.

Both these 'alliances' are memes, because fascists would want an authoritarian state libertarians are opposed to, and communists and liberals are literally directly opposed to one another.

The subtext of all of this is actual low level ethnic conflict. Fascists and libertarians are basically the white party, the liberals and communists have decided to be the minority coalition.

[Anonymous No.13939235]

>>13939172
The actual leftist parties (the MLPD in Germany, for example) don't really take a stance on it at while the populist lefties (i.e. social democrats) are probably against it.
Then again, there is no gun debate here in Europe. Guns a legal for sport shooting almost everywhere even though you can't take your weapon home with you (some states allow it but it is meticulously regulated how they have to be kept).
Pretty much everyone agrees that the broader population does not need access to weapons since, you know, we don't live in a dangerous third world shithole. You can still get a weapon's license if you really want one though.

[Anonymous No.13939237]

>>13939152
>the American left has its roots in Marx
log off the internet, you dildo

[Anonymous No.13939245]

Everyone with the greatly above average IQ of 105 recognises that under no circumstances should you follow the US in anything, be it monetary, economic, philosophical, artistic.
The Neo-American-spirit corrupts whatever it touches in its quest for the collection of more global capital and resources for the oligarchs of the nation, while the commoner is left rotten in trailers, sucking opioids.
The biggest catastrophe of the 20th century was the fact that the USSR lost the cold war, not that Hitler failed.

[Anonymous No.13939246]

>>13939192
>The government would be too strong to resist, so don't bother trying!
WHAT a take!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.13939252]

>>13939237
this

[Anonymous No.13939261]

>>13939152
The American Left has its roots in the servile state and nigger-hatism

[Anonymous No.13939262]

>>13939235
>since, you know, we don't live in a dangerous third world shithole.
per the Marx quote in the OP though isn't the point of arming the workers so that they can fight against the other classes

[Anonymous No.13939282]

>>13939192
>America would use aircraft carriers against a low level insurgency
>The americans on those aircraft carriers would be perfectly fine with killing their friends and relatives
>America would carry out airstrikes in major population centers
Even if we were to assume all of this were true, it would cause at the very least the collapse of our country.

[Anonymous No.13939296]

>>13939262
Yeah absolutely, however the disparity between rich and poor is really not that great (at least in my country) so very few people actually want a revolution. Those people that do want to change the system are a small minority as well and they usually want to reform shit (antifa is the exception here)

[Anonymous No.13939297]

>>13939246
Its not a bad take.
Most of the US population have assault rifles and the elites don't care.
Hell some have crappy makeshift tanks.

[Anonymous No.13939304]

>>13939296
>very few people actually want a revolution.
We're talking about your communists though. If they just want to reform some stuff but keep the system how are they communists?

[Anonymous No.13939307]

>>13939282
if you're assuming the situation the American right wing pro gun people generally refer to (i.e. actual tyranny,) then yes. don't forget unmanned drones, explosives, chemical weapons, etc btw.

if there ever were an actual tyrannical government in the 21st century, the best armed weapons enthusiasts in the country would all be dead before they could get their pants on.

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939313]

>>13939297
>we would lose so there’s no bother trying
What a defeatist consequentialist position.
>>13939235
>people supposedly agree on something so that means it’s good
Wrong

[Anonymous No.13939314]

>>13939172
yuro leftists only focus on america sadly

[Anonymous No.13939316]

>>13939297
>Most of the US population have assault rifles and the elites don't care.
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.13939329]

>>13939316
Well part of the reason why Americans have assault weapons is to scare the elites into not fucking with them.
But they still do so its pointless.

[Anonymous No.13939336]

>>13939304
Again, they exist, they're just a very small minority. I've mentioned the German MLPD above and they're pretty much the last bastion of unironic marxist-leninists in Germany; their entire party has 1700 members (as of 2017). These guys are still calling for a violent revolution and are being watched very closely by the state, just like many far right parties.
There still is a sizable about of democratic socialists though that generally want very similar things as the communists, just in a mediated form. The Left Party for example is socialist (they're what's left over from the SED of the DDR) and they're the ruling party in some German states. Within this party, there is also a reformist communist faction that does not seek to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat via revolution but through reform.

Just to clarify. Also, this might be different in other European countries, I wouldn't know

[Anonymous No.13939337]

>>13939329
The elites don't like white americans having guns because it lets them defend themselves from the anarcho-tyranny of the vibrant chaps. Nothing enrages the urban prog more than a diverse gentleman getting shot for trying to rob someone.

[Anonymous No.13939341]

>>13939307
Look at this retard and laugh

[Anonymous No.13939342]

>>13939172
Guns are generally an irrelevancy in Europe. If you really want one, you can shovel your way through some paperwork and get a license, particulars depending on the country

[Anonymous No.13939358]

>>13939313
>people supposedly agree on something so that means it’s good
that's not even implied
enjoy dying of a treatable disease because you can't afford to go to the hospital, amerimutt

[Anonymous No.13939359]

>>13939337
>The elites don't like white americans having guns because it lets them defend themselves
If they didn't like them, they would've took them already. Point is the part of population most into gunz isn't the part that salivates over "eating the rich" but the part which seeks to preserve order. So essentially the whole discussion about guns is cultural, it doesn´t have relevant revolutionary element.

[Anonymous No.13939366]

>>13939337
guns are for self defense
But you wouldn't use an assault rifle for self defense

[Anonymous No.13939378]

>>13939359
They have tried very hard to take them, and they have made many types of guns functionally impossible to obtain legally. There is just a lot of pushback because the tradition of owning guns in America is so strongly ingrained, and the memory of the race riots in the late 20th century has not faded.

[Anonymous No.13939382]

>>13939172
Nobody has guns here and generally everybody is appalled of US firearm laws.

Currently, the main leftist themes are multiculturalism, anti-racism, equality, feminism and combating climate change.

[Anonymous No.13939384]

>>13939179
This. Progressivism is an outgrowth of Liberalism, both of which are utilized to grow and maintain Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13939385]

>>13939366
I don't know what assault rifle is even supposed to mean, but yes you would, if you were defending against other people with rifles.

[Anonymous No.13939387]

>>13939366
>But you wouldn't use an assault rifle for self defense
https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/homeowners-son-kills-three-would-be-burglars-with-ar-15/

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939388]

>>13939358
>waaaaaaaaaaah muh healthcare
What a pivot

[Anonymous No.13939391]

The American "left" are hyper capitalistic liberals

[Anonymous No.13939398]

>>13939388
not an argument

[Anonymous No.13939400]

left wing =/= marxism =/= communism =/= socialism =/= humanism =/= civil rights activism =/= authoritarianism =/= anarchism.

[Anonymous No.13939403]

>>13939172
Don't buy into the "its just americans!" stuff, euros are usually just as bad

[Anonymous No.13939405]

>>13939400
=3

[Anonymous No.13939410]

>>13939179
Cultural marxism can't exist under a capitalist society. That just wouldn't make any sense.

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939421]

>>13939398
Then why didn’t provide an argument

[Anonymous No.13939422]

>>13939341
>me and my friends could defeat the biggest strongest military power in the history of the world with our pea shooters
and you people have the nerve to call the left unrealistic

[Anonymous No.13939423]

>>13939359
What about the militia clubs in the US?

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939429]

>>13939423
All 5 people in them?

[Anonymous No.13939436]

Whoa

[Anonymous No.13939438]

>>13939378
>They have tried very hard to take them
Lemme guess. "Trying very hard" means that one half of the elites tried to push legislation within standard democratic process while the other half of elites opposed it; it doesn´t mean that army went door to door confiscating all firearms they could find?

[Anonymous No.13939440]

>>13939423
government regulated therefore it is not legitimate.

[Anonymous No.13939448]

>>13939422
a lot of their friends are in the military, it's not that simple. Besides, unless the US is willing to go scorched earth on their own people, which they weren't willing to do in Vietnam or in Iraq, it will be a long drawn out shitshow which will probably make the country fracture and collapse.

[Anonymous No.13939451]

>>13939438
>"Trying very hard" means that one half of the elites tried to push legislation within standard democratic process while the other half of elites opposed it;
yes that's what it means. The democrats very badly want to disarm the population, and the democrats tend to win in the long run because they control State and other important institutions

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939452]

>>13939451
This

[Anonymous No.13939465]

>>13939448
>Besides, unless the US is willing to go scorched earth on their own people
It can´t. USA has capitalism, very intertwined one at that. If civil war was to happen the private companies would end up in large red numbers due to disruption of workforce, market and infrastructure, ergo the goverment wouldn´t be able to maintain it´s military budget. It would collapse in matter months.

[Anonymous No.13939467]

>>13939179
Cultural marxism is an Orwellian naming attempt akin to the 'Patriot act'. Cultural Marxism is actually intended to disrupt class consciousness forming in the lower classes by dividing them along racial/sexual lines.

[Anonymous No.13939473]

>stonetoss

[Anonymous No.13939475]

>>13939451
Hence it´s a cultural conflict without revolutionary potential and the democrats are rather weak.

[Anonymous No.13939480]

>>13939448
I doubt the US government are willing to shoot tanks shells into crowds of people and destroy infrastructure which costs a lot of money. All these drones and bombs are made for tearing whole buildings up and leveling the earth, they need men and lots of them because civilians our number the military. I read an article about one guy holding an entire neighborhood block hostage with a pistol alone, he killed 5 cops and was stuck in a house for hours completely surrounded. The police were too frighten to go inside so swat came up and outnumber the guy.
What would happened if their were at lest a hundred people with a assault rifles for example? scattered in a city, dropping bombs on everything to hopefully kill them at the expensive of the city is retarded.

[Anonymous No.13939483]

>>13939226
>The subtext of all of this is actual low level ethnic conflict. Fascists and libertarians are basically the white party, the liberals and communists have decided to be the minority coalition.

Why would libertarians be part of the white party, though? They shouldn't really care about ethnicity, just about basic rights and such.

In Europe left-wing liberals professing human rights are in the same boat with economic right-wingers wanting cheaper employees outside EU when it comes to the migrant question. Both are pro-immigration for different reasons but are otherwise hostile to each other.

Non-economic conservative right-wingers and the fringe right-wingers are the other party in Europe.

It seems more of a matter of nationalism versus internationalism.

[Anonymous No.13939487]

>>13939483
libertarians just want to shoot non-whites

[Anonymous No.13939504]

>>13939483
>Why would libertarians be part of the white party, though?
1. look who pays taxes overall
2. freedom of association

[Anonymous No.13939511]

>>13939297
I don't care how many planes or tanks you have. 100 million men with vehicles and guns, with universal distribution across 3.8 million square miles, guarantees that any attempt to suppress them will not be worth it. The U.S, military, far better equipped that the vietnamese or any in the middle east, had enormous trouble against guerilla tactics from a military one-HUNDREDTH or LESS the size. If the U.S government turned on its populace there is no scenario in which it would NOT be the end of the U.S government.

[Anonymous No.13939534]

>>13939179
You're retarded. Don't post again.

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939544]

>>13939504
1. Jews?

[Anonymous No.13939550]

>>13939544
white people, white men specifically. Jews, indians, etc. also pay taxes as a group but there aren't very many of them. The US tax base is white men.

[Anonymous No.13939556]

>>13939473
>Promoting violence against an internet cartoonist makes me the peaceful one

It's hilarious that Socialists are incapable of self-reflection. The cartoonist stonetoss is engaged in peaceful discourse, whoever made this edit is encouraging violence against his personal political opponents while claiming to be protecting the innocent.

The level of cognitive dissonance is astounding. Whoever made this edit is just trying to justify their own violent tendencies while being completely in denial of them and thus projecting them onto others.

[Anonymous No.13939574]

>>13939556
stonetoss wants to see non-whites and jews murdered, this is the natural conclusion of his propaganda but he is too much of a coward to explicitly make the last step

[Anonymous !P45fr4QSwk No.13939583]

>>13939574
>he doesn’t say this but I know he believes it because reasons

[Anonymous No.13939585]

>>13939574
You're little faggots who won't do shit

[Anonymous No.13939596]

>>13939574
>I know he wants too
>Trust me I can read his mind
do you have actual evidence because this is some next level starwmaning. I mean, that image you posted just kinda proves that. In fact the terrible antifa edits seem to strawman the “kill brown people” strawman more.

[Anonymous No.13939604]

>>13939574
>this is the natural conclusion of his propaganda

This is you projecting your violent tendencies you are in denial of.

See your previous edit. It is encouraging people to punch anyone they perceive as a nazi without ever even attempting discourse. It says basically an entire chunk of the political spectrum is fair game for assault because you have a foregone conclusion that they are entirely composed of people not interested in fair discourse, all while editing a person of said political group who IS ENGAGED IN A FORM OF FAIR DISCOURSE.

You post that image because it satisfies your deep seeded desire to commit violence, but you are too much of a coward to do so in the real world.

[Anonymous No.13939603]

>>13939534
Not an argument. Keep seething tranny.
Your bastard ideology is self contradictory and doomed to fail.

[Anonymous No.13939619]

>>13939585
>"antifa is a terrorist Organisation that must be stopped!"
>"also, leftists never do anything lmao"

[Anonymous No.13939620]

>>13939172
no

[Anonymous No.13939623]

>>13939583
>wh-who, me?
yes, that's exactly correct. consider this comic where stonetoss promotes people voicing their hatred of homosexuals and dismisses anyone who doesn't agree as irrational. the logical conclusion of this position is it is okay to persecute minority groups as long as it doesn't result in violence

>tee-hee, let me promote hatred and discrimination against minority groups and when people escalate to violence i can smugly turn around and say "golly gee i never said i support VIOLENCE"
all the while of course in absolute glee that those he is prejudiced against get hurt while he can continue his grift scott-free

[Anonymous No.13939627]

imagine being triggered by a fucking cartoon

[Anonymous No.13939631]

>>13939297
> Its not a bad take.
just like iraq or afghanistan were not a bad take, eh?

[Anonymous No.13939632]

>>13939596
>>13939604
no one really cares about your transparent defense, i suppose Goebbels is innocent in your eyes as well as he only wrote dehumanizing propaganda

[Anonymous No.13939638]

>>13939152
>I'm starting to think that the american left is not very true to its roots, you guys
No shit?

[Anonymous No.13939644]

>>13939632
Actually everyone here sees that he made an argument and you failed to address it. Your posts are worthless shit that you only think have any value because you see similar worthless shit get likes on twitter

[Anonymous No.13939655]

>>13939623
>grift
And with that one word, you exposed yourself and everything you stand for.
>>>/chapotraphouse/

[Anonymous No.13939659]

>>13939644
Your argument is that i cannot read his mind, my argument is that he explicitly encourages discrimination against minorities and is too cowardly to make the last step. It's like /pol/ posting about how niggers and muslims are subhuman and are destroying the country all day, and then Brenton Tarrant goes out to shoot up a mosque and you fags post shit like "/pol/ is a board of peace it's just free speech bro"

[Anonymous No.13939667]

>>13939659
Yeah so make an argument against discrimination.

/pol/ is in fact not remotely to blame for Tarrant, it is solely that guy's fault. Millions of people read /pol/ and don't shoot up mosques.

[Anonymous No.13939671]

>>13939667
>Yeah so make an argument against discrimination.
The logical conclusion of discrimination is murder.
>Yeah so make an argument against murder

[Anonymous No.13939672]

>>13939671
>The logical conclusion of discrimination is murder.
No it isn't. Freedom of association for example is another possible conclusion

[Anonymous No.13939675]

>>13939632
you made a assumption and I asked to prove it and all you do is deflect it or out right ignore it.
>one really cares about your transparent defense
So disclosure to you is not a path? so political violence no matter who to what they believe in even if it isn’t facist is related is a “fascists” or what name you wish to label. thank you for straight up admitting that you are animal and care not of civility.

[Anonymous No.13939687]

>>13939314
not this, ignoramus
>>13939342
this

[Anonymous No.13939698]

>>13939672
Freedom of association?
>I won't provide heating to this man's house because he is gay
>I won't supply this man's house with water because he is white
>I won't sell food to this man because he is Muslim
How about
>I won't let this man live outside of specially controlled areas because he is Jewish
Sounds like Nazi Germany to me. Oh, of course you're not a fascist sweetie.
>>13939675
Yawn. Like I said, you are so transparent.

[Anonymous No.13939701]

>>13939574
>violence is his conclusion
>posts that antifa comic
You guys seem to be doing that, this accuse your opponent of what you are actually doing nonsense needs to stop.

[Anonymous No.13939712]

>>13939701
We use violence against serial killers, rapists, etc- I don't see why people that advocate for the "day of the rope" and post endlessly about their fantasies of killing niggers on /pol/ should be exempt.

[Anonymous No.13939719]

>>13939172
Not even european rightists are in favour of people owning firearms. If there might be some truth in american leftists not being true of their roots, it beata to say that exactly the same is true of the Right all over the world.

[Anonymous No.13939733]

>>13939698
>>I won't let this man live outside of specially controlled areas because he is Jewish
This is different than the first three, you're forcing someone to live in a specific place. The first three are individuals choosing who they engage with.

I really don't care if you call me a fascist

[Anonymous No.13939734]

>>13939698
Waaaaah why can’t I force people to comply with my ideology???

[Anonymous No.13939771]

>>13939712
The thing you don't realize is that you are only feeding into "nazis" self-defense justification. There is a REAL narrative of "white people are bad." There is a REAL narrative of "non-white people are good." It has not led to any notable real-world effects which is why leftists get to ignore it, but you have to understand that the message is loud & clear - "White people in the past were oppressors, so we get to have some revenge." YOU may not see it this way, but many irresponsible people DO, and are saying as much. So if you're white, and you've never really thought about any of this stuff before because you haven't had to, and suddenly you're confronted with this message - what do you think the reaction is going to be? The narratives are DRIVING "nazis" to this ideology because they feel threatened, basically saying "Okay, if you want to play the race game, then let's dance" You may RIGHTLY see this as unreasonable - but punching these people is only going to make it worse, because they are LOOKING to get punched. It will only justify their beliefs.

[Anonymous No.13939789]

Anti-gun is a hilariously anti-intellectual position, and represents the a high form of moral cowardice
The fact remains that civilians have had access to semi automatic rifles for over a hundred years, and widely. We now have mass shootings because our quality of human has fallen drastically... we are now a more craven, cowardly and resentful face of animal.
If you are not capable of waging war, by arming and training yourself, you should not be able to vote. Athens was not a democracy, it was military rule.

[Anonymous No.13939795]

>>13939712
The difference is that the thugs at antifa are know for beating people up in real life without disclosure. While people posting about edgy nonsense on a image board is the real enemy? is that really you’re argument? They just straight up punch random people over the base of this boogeyman that they portray on average joes, in fact they have such a trouble finding a enemy they just simply fight anyone. But to you they are automatically bad if such behavior is met back with resistance? that’s actually that petty ignorant and ridiculous. In fact you deserve to be punched back for such behavior. I don’t see antifa going to rapists house and beating themt>>13939712
, but blocking traffic and being a nuisance for the community, are the proud boys fascists to you? because they are pretty tame to my knowledge compared to antifa.
>>13939604

[Anonymous No.13939816]

>>13939795
shooting up a mosque is tame?

[Anonymous No.13939820]

>>13939734
I can and do. We beat Nazis in the streets. Your precious Richard Spencer can't do rallies anymore.

[Anonymous No.13939838]

>>13939820
nobody cares about fucking richard spencer. your childish street scuffles(which you dont always win) with equally childish nazi goons are an irrelevant charade

[Anonymous No.13939849]

>>13939820
>We beat Nazis in the streets.
You underestimate the number of people who simply saw the Spencer episode as a nonviolent guy speaking his mind getting physically attacked by a violent idiot. By physically attacking "Nazis" you are justifying their own victim narrative and earning them sympathy with everyone who doesn't think like you. Thank god he wasn't killed or he'd be a martyr. Tolstoy knew how this worked, Gandhi knew how it worked, MLK knew it. Jesus knew it. You are rekindling a fire that was put out by people much more intelligent than you.

[Anonymous No.13939850]

>>13939152
Of course they are, they are left wing authoritarian central planners, you could call them commies or marxists but that's not entirely true, they're reactionary authoritarians who's ideology is a mishmash of many different bad ideas. They supposedly want extreme social liberty but are also proponents of broad reaching state censorship, they want to ban industry but also commit to society spanning megaprojects, they want the means of production to be distributed among workers but they also want a massive government managed command economy (like their socialist cousins the Fascists). Their ideological framework, like fascism and some forms of communism is not a well-thought-out set of general principles upon which you can found a society, they're a day-to-day stream of precisely detailed but poorly planned and sometimes unrelated or contradictory reactions to a society which they parasitize but also deem to be evil and in need of radical reform.

[Anonymous No.13939869]

>>13939169
how the fuck is anarchism leftist? I have never heard of it referenced as such, am I just a brainlet? Doesn't it transcend left and right and retire to authoritarian/libertarian, and most libertarians are more right than left (not all)??

[Anonymous No.13939884]

>>13939869
>how the fuck is anarchism leftist?
>How the fuck is renounciation of power and destruction of social order leftist?
It's not hard to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.13939887]

>>13939869
Yes, you are an absolute brainlet. Anarchist political theory is entirely leftist in nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine

[Anonymous No.13939893]

>>13939849
Finally someone smart

[Anonymous No.13939895]

>>13939816
No it isn’t? where did you get that idea? are you comparing proud boys to that shooter? those are completely different things but you umbrella them because it’s easy for you. The more you talk the more you prove me right.

>>13939604
This guy called you out perfectly.
>You post that image because it satisfies your deep seeded desire to commit violence, but you are too much of a coward to do so in the real world.
So compared to you’re boogyman you are no different then they are? but instead you are baseless and delusional.

[Anonymous No.13939900]

>>13939849
Yeah, like Eliot Rodger?

[Anonymous No.13939902]

>>13939869
There are different flavors of anarchism, although so far as I can see left wing anarchists are often completely fucking self-contradictory and will happily embrace hardline authoritarianism and become "normal" leftists while they still wave their black flags and LARP like they don't want to engage in hierarchies even though their mob will have a leader, the leader will usually answer to an organizer, and the organizer will take money from a hyper-wealthy multibillionaire from some corner of the world. Personally I don't think it's doable left or right, humans are naturally slightly inclined to communal behavior and complete self-governence in an entirely horizontal social organization will not be stable for long, it will eventually turn back into some level of top-down hierarchy because most people want to offload their social responsibility onto someone more competent than themselves.

[Anonymous No.13939906]

>>13939902
>leader
Don’t forget funding while also preaching eat the rich while organizations fund them?

[Anonymous No.13939916]

>>13939902
>left wing anarchists are often completely fucking self-contradictory and will happily embrace hardline authoritarianism
>they don't want to engage in hierarchies even though their mob will have a leader
>social responsibility
This is embarrassing in the extreme. Read Stirner. Or Kropotkin. Or Bookchin. You fucking lemming.

[Anonymous No.13939925]

>>13939900
You're going to have to explain how you think a despised half-asian incel going on a killing spree is relevant to what we're talking about here.

[Anonymous No.13939939]

>>13939925
He was killed for his mass murdering incel politics and never became some martyr, it's absurd to think anyone would give a fuck about some chickenshit like Spencer being beaten down to death in the street by some alpha Chadarchists.

[Anonymous No.13939952]

>>13939939
>110 pound emaciated uni student with T so low they could be medically diagnosed with a hormonal disorder is the left wing anarchist version of a Chad.
Jesus guys just eat some food and hit the gym a little bit, you're supposed to be starving to death after the revolution not before it even happens.

[Anonymous No.13939953]

>>13939939
>He was killed for his mass murdering incel politics and never became some martyr,
1. He killed himself.
2. He killed himself after senselessly murdering multiple people
3. He is still hailed as a martyr (though often ironically) by incels
If Rodger had not killed anyone, simply published his manifesto, and was then killed for it, he'd be a saint to that community.

[Anonymous No.13939954]

>>13939712
Antifa keks lurk here? Can you post your wrist for me?

[Anonymous No.13939962]

>>13939152
I've never seen the logo on the black tee

[Anonymous No.13939963]

>>13939884
except in america the mainstream left is pushing socialism. None of the rest of their policy makes sense without a huge government. Also the only anarchism thats not cringy or fucking gay is the kind deliniated in Civil Disobedience, that says that "the government is best that governs least," but that men aren't ready for that type (because they would need to be able to maintain the social contract without an arbitor) to instead he "asks not at once for no government but at once for a better government." I just assumed we were talking about the non cringe kind. I mean no one actually thinks that bullshit can work right? Like I would just shoot you and steal your crap, unless we had some way to trust each other, and before largespread big government it was religions and heredity, and if you were the wrong religion or not in my family I likked you and stole your shit. God dammit read fucking Thoreau hes literally the best american writer.

[Anonymous No.13939976]

>>13939963
>in america the mainstream left is pushing socialism
You're a complete fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.13939983]

>>13939976
the green new deal dumbfuck

[Anonymous No.13939991]

>>13939963
Americans are retarded. What else is new?

[Anonymous No.13940000]

>>13939991
fuck off we made the greatest country in the world for about 250 years, thats a pretty good run. Europes pretty much always been shit to live, I mean monarchies and then dictators and now just shitty fuckers who tax the fuck out of you

[Anonymous No.13940002]

>>13939963
>>13939983
>america
>socialism

[Anonymous No.13940016]

>>13940002

[Anonymous No.13940019]

>>13940000
And now it's half brown and collapsing. Considering the geography, only retards could run country, in such perfect geographical spot, to the ground in such a short period of time.

[Anonymous No.13940038]

>>13939190
Communism can only work when it's being propped up by capitalists, or else it ends up collapsing.

Libertarianism can only work after going fascist and removing the undesirable elements from society.

[Anonymous No.13940223]

>>13939900
I mean, he is a Jesus to some incels

[Anonymous No.13940699]

>>13940038
>Communism can only work when it's being propped up by capitalists, or else it ends up collapsing.
Huterrites.

[Anonymous No.13940749]

>>13939382
Many germans have guns. But most gun owners don't show them or even speak about it to non-gun-owners. Having a gun is not seen as something to brag about. You just happen to have one.

Most of the times you have to be friends with a gun owner for a decade or before he eventually tells you, that he is in a gun club.

[Anonymous No.13941209]

>>13939235
>need
There's that word again

[Anonymous No.13941216]

>>13939483
>Why would libertarians be part of the white party
Only white people care about liberty. Unfortunately libertarianism all evolved out of ghetto ethics, it's jewish as fuck.

[Anonymous No.13941233]

>>13939623
The lgbt movement by its own admission is a political and ideological movement these people dont want to be left alone, they want to engineer society on ideological lines(queer theory) and are backed by massive institutional power in the media academia and corporations. I think i am entitled to resist this ideology by any means necessary against those who want to impose it on our families and traditional cultures. We all know what they are really after (they want to normlise and sexualise children)

[Anonymous No.13941240]

>>13939341
the viet cong got pretty much wiped out in the tet offensive.

[Anonymous No.13941506]

>>13939245
>while the commoner is left rotten in trailers, sucking opioids.
Why do shitlibs forget about the huge swathes of blacks and mexicans who are objectively wastes of oxygen? There are millions and millions of them, the majority obese and addicted to drugs of some kind.

[Anonymous No.13941872]

>>13939192
I’ll admit, I never thought I would see this sentence applied in argument against leftists.

[Anonymous No.13941899]

>>13939632
>kill every vocal nazi because it's the peaceful solution
>the smart nazis lay low and plan to make long term changes
>retarded antifa create selective pressures which create smarter, more effective nazis
>antifa retards die of drug overdoses and don't have children
Yes, please continue

[Anonymous No.13941910]

>>13939820
I can't tell if this is b8 or you people are actually this out of touch.

[Anonymous No.13941916]

>left is everything i dont like
>right is everything I do like
the state of discourse on this sub is tragic. does anyone here actually read or is everyone's lit knowledge come exclusively through memes?

[Anonymous No.13941945]

>>13939916
Normalfags don't read that shit. You'll never convince them to participate in an anarchist mode of living. That's a fantasy.

[Anonymous No.13941949]

>>13941899
Antifa is unironically a better tool for recruiting pro-whites than street rallies ever were.

We have them to thank for Trump’s effortless pass in the midterms.

[Anonymous No.13941955]

>>13941916
Politics is pro wrestling for midwits. What do you think?

[Anonymous No.13941964]

That's why I no longer consider myself a communist

[Anonymous No.13942019]

>>13941209
>sneed
There's that word again

[Anonymous No.13942032]

>>13939152
>american left
american liberals and conservatives are the same neoliberal capitalist dogs. the liberal ones just read a couple books and want to help the poor

[Anonymous No.13942045]

>>13942032
>the liberal ones just read some Jewish propaganda and want to murder their own children and raise taxes

Fixed it for you. Thank God for the passive eugenics of modern liberalism. These shit people will be extinct soon.

[Anonymous No.13942052]

I wish /leftypol/ and reddit tourists would leave.

[Anonymous No.13942055]

>>13942045
actually the conservatives are the ones raising taxes for the working middle/class while giving welfare handouts to the ultrarich and letting the capitalists destroy the planet, killing their offspring indirectly.
the left are trying to tax the billionaire class and safeguard a future for their children.

ironically you're the one who has bought into jewish propaganda; keep fighting to shovel money into israel while income inequality grows

[Anonymous No.13942058]

>>13942052
>/leftypol/
>relevant
>implying
and the reddit tourists will never leave, there are permanent enclaves of them on /pol/ spouting pro-Trump propaganda engineered by the jews and russians

[Anonymous No.13942063]

>>13942052
I wish /pol/ and tweeters would leave.

[Anonymous No.13942072]

>>13942058
>>13942063
>t. /leftypol/ and reddit tourists

[Anonymous No.13942076]

>>13942072
>t. /pol/ and tweeter

[Anonymous No.13942080]

[Anonymous No.13942086]

>>13942019

[Anonymous No.13942635]

>>13942055
The Republicans slash taxes categorically across the board. Even Trump did this. The American Left does not lower taxes for anybody, period.

This isn’t a matter of opinion either. Literally just go read the last tax bill, look at marginal income tax by state.

[Anonymous No.13942647]

>>13940002
Yes

[Anonymous No.13942653]

>>13942635
See I read stuff like this but then talk to working class people that I actually work with and they have lost tens of thousands of dollars in shit they can claim every year because of changes to tax codes recently. One guy I know lost sixty thousand dollars he was able to claim because he travels for work. I don't really understand how to interpret changes to tax codes and I don't know how to know what practical effects it will have on working people on the ground. My personal "magic wand" wish I want is for people to just pay less taxes and keep more of their money, since 90% of tax dollars are completely wasted and do not benefit the payer in any appreciable way. I have no fucking clue how to accomplish that. Simply taxing the rich won't do shit because rich people are who decide the tax codes anyway, considering they control the lobby groups and have the accountants and lawyers getting them able to cheat on their taxes. Stringing most of these demons up seems much more effective than a bunch of arbitrary tax code changes. Practically speaking, what will put more purchasing power into the hands of the people that society depends on?

[Anonymous No.13942851]

>>13939410
The progressivist/cultral Marxist thing exists to distract the masses from whats REALLY going on, while making money on article clicks and medialised outrage. That's why all the big corporations are extremely socially leftist. Im not saying its a conspiracy, im just saying its whats most profitable.

[Anonymous No.13942932]

>>13939307
>don't forget unmanned drones, explosives, chemical weapons, etc btw
Yeah, because we all know how effective the big US military was in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
Even with all your drones and chemical weapons, you still can't defeat rice farmers and goat fuckers with outdated Soviet weapons.

[Anonymous No.13942962]

>>13940038
not what the image means, at all

[Anonymous No.13943057]

>>13939192
The power structure of the state cannot survive the use of these tools (except maybe tanks) where the economic activity that supports the state occurs.

If rifle toting Rebels seize a petroleum refinery, you can't use air power to remove them from it if you want to keep the refinery in service.

[Anonymous No.13943135]

>>13939712
If anything it shows that the Right strawman is honest and upfront with his intentions, while the Left one is a self rightous and deceitful faggot

[Anonymous No.13944022]

>>13939246
The way to resist is to turn the army you dumbass. It'd be more radical to reinstate the draft than whine about gun control in current day america, just try to think about that without your pre-made ideas making your head explode by considering it.

[Anonymous No.13944030]

>>13943057
if keeping the refinery in service becomes something that contradicts the existence of the state itself, then the refinery will not just be attacked with air power, it will be blown up with nuclear weapons.

you have to think about the kind of world-shattering conflict it would take for something like "taking a refinery" to have connotations of being actually able to topple the state.

[Anonymous No.13944083]

>>13939916
>Read Stirner. Or Kropotkin. Or Bookchin
Already read them. One more retarded than the other.

[Anonymous No.13944094]

>>13939152
The American left isn't marxist by any stretch of the imagination. Americans are retards who think not being Republican = communism.

>>13939179
"No!"
Jordan Peterson and /pol/ memes are not good sources of information.

[Anonymous No.13944491]

>>13939152
>incelpanels

[Anonymous No.13944500]

>>13939179
Marxism still recognizes there's contradictions in gender and race. White leftists just want everything to be about them, even though they call themselves "marxists".

[Anonymous No.13944532]

no shit retard
nice libertarian comic too ya dunce

[Anonymous No.13944638]

>>13944532
>stonetoss
>libertarian
...and other hilarious jokes you can tell yourself

inb4 the eye doctor comic

[Anonymous No.13944658]

>>13942653
They probably cut tax deductions that they thought would only impact large corps, but Joe Schmoe got caught in that.
Fuck taxes, it hurts paying 48k per year.

[Anonymous No.13944778]

>>13939162
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.13944810]

>>13939152
This panel isn't exactly accurate. There are no actual marxists or communists alive today that don't have grey hair. The panel is rather pointing to the real synthesis of New Left (read: people who abandoned Marxism and chose to follow a secularized version of the New Testament) thought with the demands of international capital. These two forces form a united front in their desire to turn the people(s) of the world into deracinated, disarmed, consumer cattle controlled by anti-political managerial regimes.