/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.13914859]

>Marxist criticism

[Anonymous No.13914865]

>>13914859
We're not all so bad.

[Anonymous No.13915338]

>>13914859
Hard agree. Why our civilization even gives those people the time of day shall forever be a mystery to me

[Anonymous No.13915441]

>>13914859
Marxian insights are fantastic but as a positive philosophy it's got a lot of flaws tbr.

[Anonymous No.13915485]

>>13914859
t. bourgeoisie

[Anonymous No.13915531]

>>13914859
This. If you really think all art is just about “power structures” and other bullshit, I’m sorry to say but you just don’t get it.
>>13914865
>>13915441
>>13915485
>t. /leftypol/ refugee faggots

[Anonymous No.13915537]

>>13915485
implying we arent the Prolanoniate

[Anonymous No.13916986]

bump

[Anonymous No.13917003]

>right wing "philosophers"

[Anonymous No.13917045]

>>13914859
>something that doesn't reinforce my worldview

[Anonymous No.13917056]

>>13917003
right wing authors, highly respected and rational;
Nietzsche
Hegel
Dostoyevsky
Heidegger
Kant
Wittgenstein

left wing authors, dubious and making shit up on the spot
Marx
Lacan
Derrida
Freud
Deleuze
Foucault

[Anonymous No.13917070]

>>13917056
>Wittgenstein
>Nietzsche
>Hegel
>Right wing
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.13917073]

>read the preface of dracula
>it says dracula symbolizes capitalists and van hellsing the working men
Why do marxists do this?

[Anonymous No.13917085]

>>13917056
imagine being this retarded.
There are even rumors that Wittgenstein was an informant for the soviet union in Cambridge.

Off yourself faggot

[Anonymous No.13917097]

>>13917085
>the soviet union was left wing
are we really doing this bit

[Anonymous No.13917100]

>>13917070
>>13917085
t. actual retard
Hegel was a staunch supporter of the Prussian state and Wittgenstein held very traditional beliefs

[Anonymous No.13917107]

>>13917056
Bruh look at this dude

[Anonymous No.13917113]

>>13917097
Not real communism (it was state capitalism), but still, we can't deny that it was left wing

[Anonymous No.13917122]

>>13917056
To be fair Hegel was also making it up as he went along

[Anonymous No.13917123]

>>13917113
youre actually serious

[Anonymous No.13917130]

>>13917056
>>13917100
you're embarrassing yourself dude. It is clear you know nothing about most of those authors. Marx had some 'traditional beliefs' too

[Anonymous No.13917131]

>>13917113
>Capitalism with conservative stances of social issues is left wing
"no"

[Anonymous No.13917136]

>>13917130
Not an argument. They aren't left wing just because you wish upon a star that they are. They would laugh in your face if they were around today

[Anonymous No.13917152]

>>13917056
>No Plato
>No Aristotle

[Anonymous No.13917162]

>>13917136
>They aren't left wing just because you wish upon a star that they are
the irony

[Anonymous No.13917185]

>>13917162
>>13917130
>>13917107
>>13917085
>>13917070
>No!!! they weren't right wing even though they all made fun of the socialist movements of their time! this can't be happening, my delusions are reality!

[Anonymous No.13917213]

>>13917185
Both sides make fun of the government, point at faults in society as a whole, and rebel against uncostitutional ruling. Neither side is anything special, they work the same way but for different ideas. Only people who don't see that are the extremes.

[Anonymous No.13917229]

>>13917185
Leftcoms and maoists spend more time criticising the left than the right. Are they right-wing too anon ? Are they ?

[Anonymous No.13917249]

>>13917185
>incoherent baseless posturing
cope

[Anonymous No.13917839]

>>13915531
>if you think all art is about power structures
What

[Anonymous No.13917869]

>>13917045
>Somebody doesn't wanna reinforce my worldview

[Anonymous No.13917960]

>>13917213
>Le Both Sides
Aint't it time we drop the notion of 'sides' altogether? It's such a horrible generalization of a debate that's extremely multi-faceted. Beyond being used as a tribal divisor in mainstream politics it really should not have the significance it has in higher level political discussion (And no, I'm not counting /lit/ here. But I still think the notion should be abolished.)

[Anonymous No.13918107]

>>13917960
>there are more sides than two therefore we need to get rid of sides
t. LGBTQIIAQ member

[Anonymous No.13918124]

>>13917070
Don't know about Witgenstein, but in order to call Nietzsche and Hegel not right wing, You have to explain away a lot of reactionary elements.

[Anonymous No.13918135]

>>13917229
Yes.

[Anonymous No.13918158]

as someone who thinks we should greatly expand the role of marxian thought in the political economic sphere, i think that the introduction of a positive materialist philosophy to matters of cultural production was an incredible misstep that has resulted in a turgid and useless left and a severely drained literary culture in the west

[Anonymous No.13918191]

>>13914859
>I'm afraid of a 19th century German economist
congratulations

[Anonymous No.13918198]

>>13918107
A hinting at a situation being more complex than a pseudo-dialectic isn't the same as full-blown intersectional fuckery.

[Anonymous No.13918217]

>>13917070
Hegel was a Monarchist you retard

[Anonymous No.13918605]

[Anonymous No.13918618]

[Anonymous No.13918946]

>>13918618
This. It's capitalists who know the evils of money and do their best to control it

[Anonymous No.13919190]

>>13918618
>Right wing theory is unfalsifiable bullshit without an ounce of justification or grounding.

Like clockwork.

[Anonymous No.13919207]

>>13919190
>communist complaining about unfalsifiability

[Anonymous No.13919218]

>>13919190
It´s perfectly falsifiable. Just check what was the average wage/profesor wage ratio back then under socialism and capitalism.

[Anonymous No.13919234]

>>13918217
So was Karl Marx.

[Anonymous No.13919244]

>>13919207
How do emotionally cope with the fact that Karl Popper was a left winger?
>>13919218
>American colleges are left-leaning
This is literally the cultural marxist conspiracy theory.
And you are the one talking about falsiability while spreading conspiracies.
Oh the irony.

[Anonymous No.13919245]

>>13917073
They suck blood, they are in control of demonic hounds, they respect private property....
looks pretty accurate to me

[Anonymous No.13919250]

>>13919207
How is ownership of material objects unfalsible? Its literally grounded in real life

[Anonymous No.13919262]

>>13919250
>ownership of material objects unfalsible?
because that's all marxism is, noticing who owns stuff

[Anonymous No.13919266]

>>13919262
Unironically yes.
Damn, you are such a retard.

[Anonymous No.13919270]

>>13919262
>because that's all marxism is, noticing who owns stuff

No, that's what anti-semitism is.

[Anonymous No.13919274]

>>13919270
National socialists are left-wingers and they get physically removed as well.

[Anonymous No.13919291]

>>13919244
Karl popper is a cianigger and I couldn't care less on what that fag had to say, idk how warped your perception of reality is to deny that American universities lean to the left but I recommend you visit one

[Anonymous No.13919296]

>>13919266
Mises was perfectly aware of who owned stuff too, guess he's a Marxist

[Anonymous No.13919302]

>>13919291
>I recommend you visit one
I work in one and most people here are Randroids or libertarians.
You are a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.13919310]

>>13919244
>>American colleges are left-leaning
>This is literally the cultural marxist conspiracy theory.
American colleges never operated under socialistic regime, dildobrains.

[Anonymous No.13919312]

>>13919296
He was a Marxian, not a Marxist.

[Anonymous No.13919316]

>>13919310
>left-leaning means only socialist
Right then i guess right-leaning means only divine right monarchy, and everything in between the two is centrism

[Anonymous No.13919317]

>>13919274
>believing the nazis invented anti-semitism

Mark of a trueblood Redditor.

[Anonymous No.13919324]

>>13919310
America is a socialist country, you mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.13919344]

>>13919316
"Left leaning" has nothing to with it. I meant the wages under explicitely socialistic regimes like USSR. I know americans aren't the smartest people on earth, but this stuff isn't that hard to understand.

[Anonymous No.13919363]

>>13919302
>most people running colleges are free market fundamentalists
okay retard

[Anonymous No.13919376]

>>13919363
They are, I can tell you are a shut-in NEET, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.13919386]

>>13919344
you responded to someone talking about american college being left-leaning

[Anonymous No.13919394]

>>13917056

>Highly respected AND rational

Oh boy, that's us lefties told. We're finished.

[Anonymous No.13919401]

>>13919376
The equity and diversity programs and entitlements given at my school are surely hallmarks of free market thought

[Anonymous No.13919411]

>>13919394
We better contact Mossad. I guess we will have to delay the Hyperborean Genocide for another 500 eons.
>>13919401
>he thinks the professors get to decide to that stuff.
You are the special ed guy aren't you?

[Anonymous No.13919673]

>>13917056
Based.

[Anonymous No.13919678]

/leftypol/ refugee reddit faggots fuck off and dilate

[Anonymous No.13919679]

>>13919411
And who decides that stuff? Libertarians? What are you even attempting with this sophistry

[Anonymous No.13919707]

>>13919386
Who responding to me talking about socialism, when I responded to another post which talked about socialism.

[Anonymous No.13919874]

>>13917185
watch this idiot claim that Bertrand Russel was a right winger because he criticized socialism.

Why are people this stupid so confident?

[Anonymous No.13920567]

>>13917100
Hegel probably had a Napoleon body pillow and Wittgenstein was fucking gay

[Anonymous No.13920584]

>>13914859
>he doesn't enjoy reading the schizo marxists who try and explain everything bad by tying it to capitalism and commodities in the most obscure terminology possible
I thought /lit/ was the autistic board

[Anonymous No.13921014]

>>13919678
Ah yes, the literature board obviously belongs to right wingers and their 3 authors lmao

[Anonymous No.13922303]

>>13921014
better three good authors than thousand trash authors. Fuck off to reddit where you belong and don't come back

[Anonymous No.13922486]

>>13917056
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.13922491]

>>13917085
>rumors
k

[Anonymous No.13922493]

>>13917097
>>13917113
>>13917123
>>13917131

[Anonymous No.13922581]

>>13917056
>Deleuze
>left-wing

[Anonymous No.13922706]

>>13922493
kek

[Anonymous No.13922713]

Please.

[Anonymous No.13922718]

>>13919270
>Marx: wants to eliminate classes
>/pol/: "he just wants to create more ruling class!"

stop

[Anonymous No.13922741]

>>13917056
Post-modern philosophers aren't left wing, they only sustain the status quo by being fence sitters who are too afraid of leaning too far in one system of thought

[Anonymous No.13922744]

>>13922493
If you are implying there has been a case in history where the state, classes and money have been removed please let us know

[Anonymous No.13922780]

>>13922744
>he's still going

[Anonymous No.13922789]

>>13922744
No, that's never happened because the ideology is impossible.
Fuck off, retard.

[Anonymous No.13922959]

>>13922744
>he actually believes an authoritarian police state will just "wither away" after a while
top kek. marxists are so stupid.

[Anonymous No.13922988]

>>13914859
BASED

[Anonymous No.13923026]

Marxist crit and Marxist history are not what you think /pol/. Both of them just mean "time is linear and we should look at business trading and armies and birth rates and not just nobles in history". Marxist crit says things like
>This women's studies major thinks men are all rapists because she's paid for four years of cult indoctrination in a group that views getting raped as its central source of power.
Marxist history says things like
>Oysters were poor people food because they grow near sewers but now poor people can't afford them, no chef who wants his paycheck will mention that.
They're often critics of communists and socialists as much as any other movement. British Marxist historians are based if you want ten layers of fact checking and documentary evidence.

[Anonymous No.13923115]

Marxism is a dead ideology. Come join us in the 21st Century. Seriously, it's nothing but Anglo-American "Anti-Imperialists" denouncing their entire history, third worldwide, unironic Russian patriotism while not being Russian, same goes for the CCP and China, or cringy blathering on about Dignity, Fairness and so on, basically Anglo ethical memes again.

[Anonymous No.13923248]

>>13923115
In the end, the Eternal Anglo's greatest enemy...was himself.

[Anonymous No.13923679]

>>13922493
Let's be honest. This meme is just an excuse for not reading Marx. You won't go far in life with this mentality.

[Anonymous No.13923839]

>>13914859
>Conciossiacosaché

[Anonymous No.13923859]

>>13922744
>yeah well what if the state gave up their power and money

[Anonymous No.13924553]

>>13922959
a perfectly fine reaction from someone who doesn't understand what sustains states. you're a tier above internet marxists who don't understand it either but take it on faith because it fits their "lifestyle"

[Anonymous No.13924582]

>>13917056
>Lacan
>left wing

He was pretty conservative on most things, he just had a bit more nuance than most and an unbearable style.


>>13922581
Deleuze literally called himself a Marxist. Just because the Left at the time had a lot of libertarian tendencies (because muh state) doesn't mean they weren't Left. Either you're a Tankie that considers everyone else a Soc Dem or you're an Alt Right larper, either way you're bullshitting about Deleuze.

[Anonymous No.13925703]

>>13917056
Cringe

[Anonymous No.13925857]

Is To the Finland Station a good book? I'm not really too interested in Marxism but it can't be wished away.

[Anonymous No.13926193]

>>13915338
i think the whole dialectic thing grew out of the uncertain times between the fall of the tsars and the rise of socialism. in a time when anything you wrote could get you arrested, people started developing the particularly political skill of saying nothing, but using a lot of words to do it.

"It's possible that I shall make an ass of myself. But in that case one can always get out of it with a little dialectic. I have, of course, so worded my proposition as to be right either way."
- Karl Marx, in a letter to Engels

philosophy adopted this strategy so they can sound profound without having to work for it.

[Anonymous No.13926197]

>>13915537

proof that dialectic is bullshit:

http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/pomo/

hit F5 for a new essay.

[Anonymous No.13926199]

>>13919312

This makes me VERY angry.